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- We should mention the converted bunk we will be making inserts for is for use only while in port. We will be using the quarter berths while underway.
As mentioned at the beginning of episode 42, we will be powering this boat with a small electric outboard as a true auxiliary engine and we will have two 12ft sweeps as a 3rd method of making way. We plan to sail 99% of the time on passages as we did with our old boat.
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Delos has just installed lithium and induction - so you may want to chat with Bryan
Agreed, for the most part. If someone doesn't like debt and has no plans to refinance then repeat the process, there's no harm in taking the extra funds you make per unit and putting it towards the mortgage. Or if you buy really good via a wholesaling type entry then a 15yr can work. But for a conventional rental property, yes a 15 yr is a bad idea. 30yr makes a lot more sense.
There is always another recession coming, even when you are in one.
True!
Uma does a lot of DIY things, most of which come out incredible. They are truly DIY masters. Their head experiment & copper coat mixing were two of the things that didn't seem to work too well. We know countless cruisers who have composting heads that are properly ventilated, which is key, that love them.
The wooden mast is heavier than an aluminum spar, so there is more weight up high. That extra weight up high raises the boat's center of gravity which will cause more heeling that a lighter spar and will also decrease the angle of positive stability. On the other hand more weight aloft will increase the roll period, which makes the boat more comfortable in a seaway. Switching to an aluminum mast will make the boat stiffer, but it will also make it roll more quickly. Finally, while you can just find a mast the right length somewhere and install it, you are taking a big chance if you do that since the required strength of the mast depends on its height how it is stayed AND the displacement of the boat. Most second hand aluminum masts in the length you need will not have a large enough section (strength) for a heavy boat like a falmouth cutter. The likely result would be a snapped spar the first time you sail it in heavy weather. If you decide to dump the wooden mast, then you should contact a spar company or naval architect and tell them exactly what boat the spar will go into so they can design an appropriate mast. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a good wood spar that was designed for the boat. The only issue is keeping it varnished. If you are headed for the tropics, slap a couple of coats of varnish on the mast then paint it. You can always remove the paint to go back to varnish.
Also as far as getting rid of the new engine goes and going all electric I wonder about charging. That boat doesn't have space for more than a couple of hundred watts of solar. There is definitely not room for enough solar for electric propulsion. The diesel engine provides a way of charging batteries and heating water in addition to propulsion. I would strongly suggest keeping the diesel and just using it minimally. Fuel consumption on that boat will be in the one quart an hour range (or less), so you don't need a huge fuel tank unless you are planning to make cross ocean passages.
As mentioned by others sleeping athwartships is fine at anchor in a sheltered harbor. But underway the boat will roll, which will make it VERY uncomfortable. The two quarter berths are ideal sea berths. Also, on passage the athwartships berth will make going below when one person is sleeping very difficult and dangerous. Sure, set something up for use at anchor, but do not use it underway. and definitely maintain the two quarter berths.
Just my thoughts based on 55 years of sailing.
It is hard to tell from the pictures they show of the mast, but it doesn't look like it is tapered, or if it is it isn't tapered much. Their apprehension about the spruce mast being "old tech" is simple ignorance. If they think that way, aluminum is also "old tech" and they should be looking at a carbon fiber mast.
Most sailors who have experienced a knockdown and have been demasted have described that a second roll often quickly occurs because the weight of mast up high actually stabilizes the boat. If you significantly change the weight of the mast it could throw off your stability.
Steve Holett More properly, the mast does not increase the stability, it increases the rotational inertia. Rotational inertia is the product of mass and the square of the radius, so while a mast is not real heavy relative to the displacement, the distance from its cg to the roll center is quite large. Stability is actually decreased due to the height of the mast.
Todd Dunn I agree 100% about the issue of insufficient solar array for an electric propulsion system, at least if they motor more than rarely for very short periods. In that situation, the cost of an electric system makes no sense, either financially or environmentally.
Personally, I'd go with a small outboard and sculling oar if they plan on very little motoring (it sounds as though they do, based on their other videos). And I say this knowing full well the fuel economy and wonderful reliability of diesel engines (I own two). But getting that whole system out of the boat frees up a lot of cabin space.
As Todd Mills said, after you lose the mast in a knockdown the rotational inertia of the boat is greatly decreased which leads to a much shorter roll period. That may cause the boat to be knocked down again in the right conditions. More likely it will simply make the boat much less comfortable to be on. Also the term stability has very specific meaning in naval architecture and is generally not related to dynamics like roll period. Stability deals with things like the extent of heel for a given condition and the point of vanishing stability (the angle beyond which a boat does not recover from a roll and stays capsized. That angle is for flat water and in seas most keel boats will ultimately roll back upright, particularly after they lose their mast.
Guys I can get where you are coming from but I have to agree with most of the comments you would be mad to change the berth you would be completely insane to change the engine for electric power and I don't believe you can get a mast to replace the one you have without commissioning a bespoke one which would cost a pretty penny . This boat is a great buy but it is a classic not a do upper,put in the engine, put her in the water, stick up the mast and sail her if you don't fall in love with her sail her to England and flog her you will make a killing but not if you f**k her up. I am old enough to be your grand father I have been all over the world and on boats since the 60's and the one thing that I have learned is keep it simple and the only way to share a berth is if the other person is on watch , big berths are a nightmare at sea you need a narrow high sided cot that you can wedge into ( don't be so American you don't have to be in bed to make love) but you do need your sleep on a passage. By the way I would love to be able too sail her, she is a great little girl but I have to get two hips and two knees done over the next few years and suspected my sailing days are over, fair winds!
As an experienced sailer I can tell you 100% without a doubt that you will need a gas or diesel powered motor. It would be beyond dangerous to go charging out on a long cruise without a proper engine.
There is a reason why the berths in boats are laying that way. And the reason is not only that they fit best in a boat in that way. A boat is not only rolling. It also goes up and down as it works its way forward through the waves. Plunging in the waves and make sudden breaks as it hits the waves. Building berth the way you are talking, you will be in for nasty and violent shaking! Don't make huge changes in the boat. Move in and start cruising for a while and find out what really works for you and what not.
Yup
While I agree with Mike that you might want to consider alternatives before doing anything radical, we have our double berth athwart / across the beam in the rear cabin of our boat. It was this way when we bought her, but I have come to really like the arrangement. Other people’s mileage may vary. When on anchor the orientation makes no difference on our boat. When on a passage, I just have to make sure I lay my head on the upwind side, and all is comfortable. The action of each boat may be different, but on my boat the rolling action is better if lying athwart and the pitching movement is less of a problem than rolling due to where berth is located. I admit its not conventional wisdom, so perhaps worth mocking up with temporary bed before committing to major changes.
Sounds like the absolute best advice. What could it possibly hurt to wait and see before doing something to her that will be regretted?
The design of the boat was well thou out ahead of time......don't change the design or the name of the boat....bad Ju Ju.
That boat is a beautiful diamond and you want to chop it to pieces....
Consider that those who built it knew what they were doing.
Keep the wooden mast.
Keep the Diesel
Keep the bunks
And most of all be prepared that a boat with that much beautiful wood work needs maintenance, a lot of it if you want to keep it as nice as it is.
i agree one of a kind boat electric motor induction stove hope batteries dont blow up and tell us about global warming when ur sailing
I agree with keeping the diesel. I know there going to do a good job refitting the interior and keep the look. I can't wait to see this done.
Please don’t Frankenstein that beautiful old boat! Just hone your skills by restoring her. You’ll learn so much and avoid mistakes by making rash decisions. Good luck!
Actually, I subscribe to your channel not for the dream locations you visit but rather to watch you two plan and then live out your lives. Indeed, your explanations of finances, your philosophy of frugality and commitment to a low impact and minimalist lifestyle, your DIY fixes and improvements and, of course, that dog are all compelling reasons to anticipate your offerings.
Fortunately, honesty and transparency are still attractive in these crazy times. Would that more channels might learn from your example. Thank you for what you have shared with us and rest assured that I will follow you wherever your travels and circumstances take you.
Thank you, John, for understanding what we're trying to do so well. The vast majority of our subscribers watch for the same reasons you do and that's what we're making these episodes for. Thank you again. Your comment made our day.
Keep on keepin' on!
We like the reality to balance the sunshine and bikinis.
For what is high's without lows?
John Sears oh and the sweetest loveliest girl on the web, keeps my watching as well...oh and he is pretty lovable too.
John you aren't paying attention. Their family is supporting them while they try to gain traction on TH-cam and through donations/sponsors. Explain the brand new motor? Where did the old motor go? Honesty and transparency are the opposite of what you actually get with these two. Keep watching because it's interesting, but don't fall for their bs. They are trying to get eyeballs on them so they can become self-sufficient and are saying whatever they think will gather sympathy for them.
When throwing this kind of shade upon someone on social media, one should present evidence. Absent that, they should crawl back under their bridge.
My Grandfather was a wooden sailboat builder. It was always my dream to own my own sailboat one day. When I was younger I found an abandoned Catalina 22. I poured my heart into fixing it up and getting in back into the water after years of wasting away. It has vines growing all around it and completely destroyed inside. When I finally finished it, I took my friends out to spend the night in it and we had a blast. What a great memory! I had more fun fixing it up than I did sailing it I think! I eventually sold it and let go of the boat. But I never let go of my dream of getting out on the ocean going from island to island, just like my Grandfather did in his wooden 47’ sailboat named Windflower. Now as a commercial airline pilot, I regularly fly through the Caribbean and look down from 35,000 feet dreaming of what it would be like if I was down there. Now is not the time, but someday it will be the right time. I love your videos and find it so exciting to live vicariously through you two. Please keep it up, good luck in your adventures, don’t give up when it gets tough, fair winds and following seas, and by all means, please please please add Cruz Bay in St John to your list of places to go. My favorite spot in the whole Caribbean, and I’ve been everywhere, trust me!
Hey Guys.....Please continue your great videos and don't let some peoples negative comments discourage you from documenting and sharing your wonderful adventures here with the rest of the community!!! We love you and MISS YOU GUYS!!
WOW, that vessel is beautiful just the way she is, any changes would be a shame. Your boat your money, your mistakes, be safe out there.
Having spent many nights at sea in from large cargo ships down to 23' Sailboats, I have to totally disagree with you regarding the proposed bed/bunk conversion. First of all you will definitely slide on a small boat like this as the boat rocks.
Second, as the boat heels one way, will you change your position every time you tack and the boat heels the other way? Or are you willing to sleep with your feet above your head?
Third, the location is wrong. Why do you want to dissemble your bunk every time you do not use it?
Fourth, if one of you is sleeping, and the other wants to get into the boat for what ever reason, you will have to climb over the bunk which could be a problem in rough seas with regard to spray etc.
I could go on about tearing up a perfectly well thought out boat, but you get my drift.
Love the Idea to go to electric drive and look forward to watching you do it Delos style.
You bought a beautiful boat that was carefully thought out by people a lot smarter and experienced than all of us put together. Just saying.
You guys have bought a piece of floating artwork. The joinery is something that I think modern boat builders could never replicate, nor could a buyer afford. Keeping the varnish up to its current standard is going to be hard work, but rewarding.
Sailed a BCC with a spruce mast. When I bought the boat the varnish on the mast had split from neglect and very hot and humid climate. I stripped it back and applied 12 coats of varnish. It was beautiful. A word of advice for varnish in general. Get right on any knicks and scratches without delay. Prepare a small kit of sand paper of various grits, small brushes and a small sealed bottle of varnish- I’ve seen nail polish brushes used. Apply a few coats over time. Avoid allowing the area to get wet. The pride you’ll feel in your Falmouth Cutter and the well-varnished wood mast with beautiful bronze fittings will last forever. Best of luck on the refit.
Appreciate the advice! Prevention works best for all things in our lives so we'll be sure to apply that to the care of the mast :) Thanks for the support!
Also, your halyards will likely be external, making it easy to see what’s going on. If you don’t already have them- you probably do- consider fabricating pin rails and attaching them between the for and aft shrouds on both sides of the boat. It will keep the lines off the mast when at anchor or marina thereby eliminating chafe on the varnish.
Re varnishing the mast, be sure to follow the application instructions of your particular type of varnish to the letter, including the type of cleaning solvent to gather up dust between sanding coats. On a mast of mine, I was using paint thinner and the next varnish coat would remain sticky forever. Which resulted in sanding it off numerous times. I finally figured out to use exactly what was called for, and it made all the drying difference in the world. Never again!
I started following you guys before you purchased your first boat. I remember all the discussion about planning, researching and giving us all the transparency behind your reasons for getting your first boat, but I feel that you have thrown that out of the window and have gone in the wrong direction. I'm don't own a boat, and will never be in the position to do what you and lots of others are doing to fulfil their dreams, but reading a lot of the comments from seasoned sailors it seems your plans for the conversion to battery power and changing the loo are wrong. I would suggest your reconsider your options, especially as you have a brand new engine sitting there waiting to be installed. However I respect that this is a public media site, and we can all post comments and opinions. At the end of the day it's your boat, your project, your dreams and your lives, so you don't have to take on board what others are saying - I wish you good luck and will continue to follow your progress which ever route you take
Malcolm Crabbe - Totally agree... Changing the loo is a big mistake. They may regret that in the future... Look at UMA's channel. Putting the head back.
I follow a youtuber named Michael Aranda. He has his own channel, a vlog channel (WIDRN) and now runs a business called Synema Studios. The reason I bring him up is because of his vlogs. He's never vlogged for money, fame, or to get the chance to meet incredible people. He vlogs so that when he's older and wants to look back on his life he has his entire life documented. I always thought that was a really cool idea. I've always liked how real is his and the same thing goes with you guys. You aren't putting up a front when the camera starts rolling and your not afraid to show when you're upset. I think that's one of the main reasons I love your videos, because you guys aren't afraid to be open, honest, and real. Take it easy guys!
Nice little ship, growing up my dad and I built a 26’ Hess cutter, strip planked King Billy pine and epoxy. She had Hess design elements, along with Harrison Butler (canoe stern, balanced waterline principles). We had all timber spars (the rig was a Seraffyn rig and all the rig hardware was hand built brass laminated strapping, stainless wire and bronze turnbuckles). Well built and maintained timber spars will last forever, ours have now been in use 20 years and still are as new. Every 4 years we would drop the rig (we had a tabernacle) and strip it right back, then 8 coats of spar varnish and reassemble all the cleaned and polished fittings. Each year I would light sand and varnish 1-2 coats from the bosuns chair. Timber spars on a boat are just a joy to work with.
The holes under the forward berth are for ventilation , so the mattress doesn’t get mouldy - so don’t pack that locker 100% full. I also noticed some of the hull was lined with slatting for the same reason - to promote airflow.
Your auxiliary propulsion choice is controversial!, we were 3 years without an engine, sailed everywhere and in cruising mode it was fine and the boat so uncomplicated to maintain. After a while we got an electric outboard , for memory a 55lb Minn Kota - would push the boat against about 5kn of breeze, any more than that we sailed. With Lithium batteries now, electric propulsion is now really an option for a small boat like this. We ended up with an 18hp cyl diesel, it was a constant source of headache. If we were doing it again today, electric inboard and lithium, solar+wind+hydro generation would be great.
Re your bunks - those 2 quarter berths will be the best sea berths - I wouldn’t change that sleeping arrangement for passagemaking. Our layout was pretty much the same, except scaled up a bit.
Great boat, can’t wait to see what you guys do with it and where you cruise her to. You will be able to explore all the hidden away areas the big boats can’t get to and while long offshore passages will be a bit painful at 5kn average, you can throw her on a trailer and do 50kn for the long trips.
Lovely boat for sure, I would strongly suggest that you do no alterations before sailing her as she is. I think you might find the designers had reasons to build her as she is. Live with it a while before you start changing her.
Use the boat before you decide on any major changes. Also that diesel will save you and the boat during conditions that can not be overcome by electric outboards or sweeps. There is not much room for solar panels on your boat and any that you install will reduce the sailing speed and pointing ability of the boat. Wind and water generators also cause significant drag. Love your channel and the boat.
its too late they are going to rape it....
Ending up putting only $2.500 on the table for the boat, after selling the engine, is just a historical deal! Congratulations! Love it
Despite the negative comments, I must say that I admire you two for trying to think different about cruising and really going for the creative solutions. You've now had some time sailing with a traditional (great) cruising boat, and you have the experience to experiment and try something different.
Those two quarter berths are the best sea berths... if you plan on passage making! The saloon is the only real living area you have, besides the cockpit! There’s a reason the interior is laid out the way it is. Small boats demand compromise! Expand the v-berth, somehow. The mast is fine! If, later on, you tire of protecting it with varnish, paint it! A VERY sturdy dodger and Bimini gives you more living space outside. A dedicated storm jib is vital for a boat that size. Roller-furled Genoa is too baggy! She’ll keep sailing when larger boats are hove-to! Live with her awhile the way she is... see what she’s really got! You can change stuff later. Just make her safe! I have the Triton’s little sister, Ariel. See you out there!
Gulfcoastbeemer Classic wooden fishing schooners and yachts painted the top of their spars and gaffs. UV breaks down varnish quickly, and fails, usually around mast fastenings. Paint lasts longer in the sun. That’s why the upper surface of spreaders are painted, instead of varnished. Rot does it’s worst work high up the mast, unseen, using paint, or varnish! Wooden spars are high maintenance, rigging takes a beating (can’t set up as tight). The hull is painted (shipworms). But you are right... check for rot!!
Love the Ariel .."I've had the triton, ensign, vanguard and now own a Bristol 40 yawl.
Bill Carson AN ALBERG FAN!!!! Thru & thru, & thru... &thru! Norwegian North Sea pilot cutters, folkboats, Lyle Hess cutters, & Carl Alberg. Seaworthy. Can’t wait till they “untie the lines”!
Saltwest Co Sailing You are correct! But it’s the captain, not the boat, that matters most. Two examples come to mind... Tinkerbelle...& Titanic.
Buy a set of oars. One each. You will need them with out a proper engine.
That's what I was thinking
There are electric motors that can be powered with wind & solar. They’re $20k each, but are very efficient. Oceanvolt is a manufacturer in case you’re curious. They also generate power.
Keep the diesel. If you remove the diesel, first read Lin & Larry Pardy; they cruised for years with no engine but you should read what they wrote about oar rowing into marinas and near shore with no wind or shores downwind. Keep the mast. Do the simple maintenance, don't cut anyt hing until you have sailed her a couple of months. Not merely lived on, but sailed. Please. Budster , April 2023
@@budbuddybuddest Electric is much more efficient & much quieter. With the energy they generate on their own, plus from the wind & sun, you never run out of power. Check out Sailing Uma! They have an electric engine & have traveled close to the arctic circle through Norway & explored all along the way. They don’t run out of power & they don’t have to be 24/7 mechanics, smell fumes or have to listen to a loud diesel motor! Times have changed. Change with them.
That is one of the prettiest boats I have ever seen. If I owned it, I would redo the entire boat as original, then put it right in my ft. Yard! It would block most of my view of lake Ontario, but only during the off season...the rest of its time would be in the lake! I LOVE it! I'm old..but I know what I like! Good luck kids!! 😉
Thanks for sharing your orientation, and agenda. It is a refreshing take. So glad for you all that the teak decks are so thick.
That boat is freaking gorgeous... I feel like alot of people love the new shiney boats loaded with tech and made of new material.. thank you for showing off how old things can be beautiful pieces of art! It is a bit cramped but if you wanted to spend all day inside you would buy a house!! It forces you to be outside more and enjoy the places you go. It's always all about the journey.
Couldn't agree more. She'll be a simple boat when all is said and done, which is just what we want. Something with character and something simple :)
Abandon Comfort owning a part of history and adding to its history to me is worth more than money could ever buy! So excited to be along for the adventure of refit and relaunch.
This boat is a classic and looks like it's in a very good condition. Love the woodwork (including the mast). It's a shame you see the interior heavily modified.
I will cry if they touch the woodwork the way they did on the previous boat.
A wooden mast will of course help stabilty, you are totally right. Since it's heavy and sits right on the bottom of the boat obviously the center of gravity will be just there. I would put a couple of hundred kilos of lead up the top of the mast so it pushes it down even more. That'll make it super-stable. Good luck on the project, you'll need it.
Personally exited to follow this journey. Wife and I bought a 26 foot trailerable balboa with I sails, bimini and joined dodger for 3000 bucks. Loving it and dont need more. I just love the smaller boats. Yours is beautiful.
Selling a brand new engine and using a fuel tank for water. Go rethink that.
@Walker Glover yes, they should use it for the purpose intended. Diesel fuel.
@Walker Glover I own a boat. thanks though.
@Walker Glover how about you take your own advice?
ya ! and it doesn't even have a shower, they should have this boat taken away from them
You guys are crazy getting rid of that diesel engine they're so cheap on fuel and Powerful and would literally last forever...
Buffy Mullen They are clueless. No understanding of what the engine is for. They imagine drifting along under battery power across a quiet harbor. Cruisers use the auxilary about half the time to charge batteries for life support. They have it completely backwards.
Art Smith I agree with both of you. BIG mistake on losing that engine. They think that they can just use solar to charge everything up. What happens when they get stuck at an anchorage for 2 or 3 days due to poor weather and it's overcast? Those Lithium Ion Batteries at the capacity they will most likely need (i.e., 100Ah) will cost them $1K EACH right now (See SVSEEKERs latest video on his selection of using Edison Batteries, he gets into the cost of Lithium Ion Batteries).
Agreed. Diesel is the way to go. Electric is ok for a small outboard motor but to push a heavy boat like that will almost certainly be a problem. Very low range and slow. Not enough space on that boat (however beautiful it is) to fit enough solar panels for charging lithium at a decent rate. Also the diesel engine will outlast the Lithium batteries many times over. regards
@SenapspiserTier 3 & 4 rated diesels are very clean running ...but you dont want to run ¿tier 3 & 4? diesels on a boat that might fuel in other countries. ULSD is not widespread and available everywhere...and running LSD or HSD/#2 fuel oil in a ¿tier 3 & 4? rated engines will shut it down within minutes. Then there is the matter of DEF used in tier 3 & 4 diesel engine DPF exhausts; also not always available.
The emission standards set by USEPA is pretty much negating all the benefits of a combustion engine that could run on anything...diesel, kerosene, biodiesel, vegetable/nut oil, or a combination of any of the above.
Acronyms:
ULSD = Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel
LSD = Low Sulfur Diesel
HSD = High Sulfur Diesel
DEF = Diesel Exhaust Fluid
DPF = Diesel Particulate Filter
I'd keep her diesel powered.
I love what you guys are doing. As a USN vet I totally understand what you said about the sleeping orientation. Feet to port/starboard>feet to bow/stern. Fair winds and following seas.
Yeah guys this boat is a piece of art and designed to maximise it's space. You will need an engine with a decent fuel tank as mother nature will dictate to you when underway. The timber is very expensive and deserves the upmost respect and care. A boat for future generations. Good luck.
you guys are making a big mistake getting rid of that engine,the amount of diesel that engine would use would be minimal over its lifetime compared to the amount of energy used to produce the amount of lithium batteries you'll need
its funny these days people just think they are going "green" meenwhile modern diesels are very clean and an 18hp new one so efficient it would be probably the greenest thing on the boat!lol plus the safety of having a new diesel at your fingertips...giving that up and giving up that personal safety over trying to be clean is really thoughtless
and the most reliable thing on board
@@SuperJlonergan People are quick to knee jerk instead of doing full CBA
As long as you are not leaving the sight of land the lithium will be great. Demast that boat 150 miles from shore and have the dainty solar panels damaged in the fray and you just created an unnecessary preventable emergency that just might take your life. There is certainly a place for sustainable energy ,I'm all for it, it's just not in the middle of an ocean.
@@SuperJlonergan I think some people get so caught up in their ideals that they don't consider everything. If it feels like they doing good, that's all that matters. Like how electric cars can be worse for the environment due to relying on coal belching power plants that put out more pollution than the gas engine it's replacing. I'm detecting an increase of the smug-factor the more this channel goes on which is starting to turn me off. They were afraid to pilot the boat on sails for much of the time they were in ports and now they won't have a choice. Abandoning a perfectly good boat while they were able to do their dream and bail out because registration and insurance were coming up? Now they are back home for another extended refit and it looks like they are about to go to Japan?.. almost looks like they are looking for excuses not to sail. Don't get me wrong, I've liked the channel so far and enjoyed some of the info they provided, but there is an bit of smugness and haughtiness starting to creep into Ryan's attitude when he addresses the camera that wasn't there at the beginning.
Plus a wooden mast is quieter. You don’t have the constant clinking sound halyards make against an aluminium mast when you’re trying to sleep
We're definitely looking forward to this! Although after awhile the clinking was sort of meditative :)
Abandon Comfort if you want meditative get a wind chime. At least you can throw the bloody thing overboard when it inevitably starts to give you the heeby greevies 😼
Lol, good point!
it’s all about how you manage your ropes at night. DON’T be one of these charter arseholes….
Saltwest Co Sailing especially with a wood mast. Otherwise you will have to varnish it every few weeks!
Wow. What a beautiful find. She's gorgeous!
Love the new boat
Geez, watching most of these refit "improvement" ideas is like watching an impending "train wreck" in slow motion.
Exactly, what a waste
Amen
I"m not sure an electric drive is a wise move given the existing and reliable engine on board. I would reconsider. Money invested in rigging, sails, and electronic devices with redundancy in mind may deliver you strategic advantages. All in all an impressive boat with a philosophy that is a good match for this vessel. Best of luck!
Love all your ideas, you are going to have so many memories.
Love it! You will be masters of varnish in no time! Enjoy! Love to see you guys smiling!
Just start using it please! Find out what you need later! Go the LEAN strategy!
Personally I would fit the engine, change as little as possible with the boat and just go sailing. I don't understand people who want to fit electric motors on boats. the use of sails for the most part far offsets any use of a diesel engine. not too keen on the bed idea either - maybe thats just me.
good thing its not your boat huh?
Absolutely gorgeous boat that goes well with a gorgeous couple. Many comments from this and the last video were about the size of the boat and how you would regret having 2 living aboard. My wife and could be that close to one another forever without problems. We downsized from 5000 sf to 600 5 years ago in preparing to retire on a boat. It took some getting use to but now we have it down to a science and are very comfortable and well adjusted for out next move in a couple of years. Keep up the great work...
Awesome channel!! Thanks for being in depth!
Hey gang, I totally love your videos, and although I am an old dude, I can dig what you are trying to do and why. Back in the day I was a minimalist, too. Try carrying everything you need for three weeks on your back in the Sierra. I did that for the sheer fun for years. Please, though, think about what you are planning to do. You are taking a totally classic sailboat and turning it into something wildly different from its design. If you owned a 1962 Shelby Cobra 289 would you even consider parting it out to put in a different motor and suspension? What you have bought is a classic. If you desire something of the same shape but differently configured, then find a way to build it to your specification. Please do not destroy a one-of-a-kind classic.
Well said Mike, I cringe to think of them attacking that beautiful woodwork with a sawsall they way they did the HR! It remains to be seen how this will evolve but with history as an indicator I'm not too hopeful. Then again who knows.
We're not touching the interior wood. We are simply making removable inserts to give us more sleeping options.
People are taking Datsun 280z's and reworking them with modern engines (electric included) with great success. We are the music makers, we are the dreamers.
You don't need to explain yourselves... It's your money, your boat, do whatever makes you happy. Period.
@@ThompsonBMXbikes datsun 280zs were economy sports cars all of which ended up as rust buckets. The reason people do projects like that is because it's a good platform but its cheap af. Not exactly a fine example of craftsmanship
While I admire your enthusiasm, I think your choice of cruising boat is nuts. That thing cannot sail to weather. Ditching the HR was a huge mistake. As a cruiser you'll find it's much better to get into port ahead of a weather system, than bobbing along at 3 kts while you're still 100 miles out at sea. Best of luck (Really).
Personally I agree. These boats, while more than capable of crossings have more pitch and roll than their previous cruiser. One of the reasons wooden masts went by the wayside (besides being OMFG expensive due to their requirements and upkeep) was due to the sheer mass of them. Its going to be interesting what transpires moving forward.
@@WreckDiver99 They are making one bad decision after another. For goodness sakes, not even a proper survey. Hope they don't get hurt.
Amen!
Congratulations! what a sweet foundation. She will be such a joy to sail. Stoked for you both.
Great to see people that realize bigger isn't always better! My boat is just 8' wide a 32' camper nicholson built like a tank, just got back from cruse to Alaska. I sleepside ways also 6" more room that way.That's a great boat!
Love the new boat, but would have kept the HR352 myself. Size does matter.
Boat size is one of the few areas that size doesn't matter. Layout, build quality & design are what actually matters but armchairs always know better.
@Woobie Hiking, even in a desert there is drinking water to be found. Not so on the ocean ... AC's choice to get rid of the diesel engine has other limiting factors besides powering their propulsion & electronics. A water maker needs quite a bit of juice to run. Figure 30-50 days to cross the Atlantic?...and the lack of space for fresh water storage...do the math.
@Woobie ...Great! Add in the electric motor propulsion, new/much larger refrigerator/cooler, and the induction(electric) stove they want to install...add up all the power needed to run just these 4 items, and the math doesnt add up. Solar/wind/hydro power generation is...fickle. Having a generator on-board is a great idea...except they're loud, smelly, noxious exhaust fumes, and for the power they'll need to generate, to keep the house bank running/charged, it will need to be of a bigger size. The new diesel they're selling, is all-in-1.
I like their spirit. Just use reason and math to live Green.
I've been upside down ,rolled over in the Atlantic 400 miles south of Newfoundland..... because the boat was too small to deal with the enormous seas we were in ....the engine saved our lives because we had a belt driven bilge pump and the boat was full of water to just below the knees .... we spent 24 days at sea with no shower because small boat water makers did not exist in 84 ..... it was winter and we were crossing west to east which is not normal on a 36 ' boat I also did it on a112 ' foot schooner and the seas made the boat look tiny so does size matter ? I know what I think and personally I could give a shit what anybody else thinks because it's all down to experience....this channel is different and I don't get it but that's just my opinion and opinions are like assholes most people have them
@rob dog well put
The boat is beautiful, but please don't trade safety for minimalism. I would forgo the electric and put the diesel in, however, I understand that it is your boat. The best of luck with the new boat, be safe!!
Great Video, I remember my old boat, bought the 26' hull for $300, rebuild everything on the inside from scratch using exterior plywood encapsulated in resin and glass. My shoe string budget was under $5,000 a year. That is a beautiful boat.
Love love love your attitude, reasoning, and all. Hope you have great adventures on that gorgeous boat!
As for the mast the Todd Dunn is spot on
I would definitely keep the diesel engine. Power is a major issue on a boat, especially if you want to sail almost exclusively, the diesel engine also charges the batteries when it runs. I do respect you have a solar panel, but I doubt that will provide enough power to run everything including your fridge, electric stove, lights, computers, water pump, water heater, etc, etc. I just put a new built in fridge on my boat (2.7 cf so its small) and it will flatten the house battery in less than 24 hours but you also have the other stuff, just that electric stove will probably require the same amount of power plus everything else. You can going to need to cover every surface on that boat in solar panels to meet your energy requirements
Now, as for the size of the boat, that is a coastal cruiser. I have a 24 ft power boat, its comfortable, but I feel like going postal after about 4 days on board, but that's just me, you guys could be different. You also need to think about the reality of that boat in the wide open seas if suddenly a storm were to hit you. Think about 8 to 10 ft seas in that boat. Lets say you dump, what are you going to do, unfold that dingy and pray? A minimum I would have a dingy that couldn't sink. I also have a zodiac hurricane and I have had it flooded with water with the fuel tanks floating. I wasn't scared at all, I dumped my swampers (self bailing) and in less than 5 seconds the water was gone. With that boat and what you have I would want to stay pretty close to shore, I like living myself
You NEED to keep the varnished toilet seat.
It's not going anywhere!!
Gang...we have a sealing 5 gallon bucket on our Tanzer that we use as a head. We use cedar chips We also use that in the yurt airbnb at our place. Smells awesome! A vision for longer cruising would involve 2-5 holding buckets with air holes to stored above deck, and create a worm reactor. Our seat is not teak by any means, but I bet that seat could fit a bucket pretty easy. Instead of paying 1500 for a "composting toilet"
You might try oak sawdust sawn from green logs (i.e. at the mill). This is the best thing I have found; if you can find a source. Cedar smells nice, but doesn't compost as well.
Symphony Farm. worms sound interesting, they like a constant temp or they go walkabout... I like to hear people trying new stuff and challenging the old ways.
Biggest trouble with solid composting waste, is the marine community is all set up for liquid pump outs. We are lucky enough to have a boat on a lake, and farm and forest. With the ability to static compost human waste for a year plus and a steady supply of worms in the cow compost.
Good work. Thanks. Appreciate your approach.
I agree with the others as this boat is a piece of art so please don’t change her in any way !
Don't forget to Fire proof the battery compartment!
most sensible comment here.
Aston's Papa! Hard to fire proof a lithium battery box. They burn so hot and self oxidize to boot that any attempt to seriously contain a fire is no small undertaking.
russ Stearns so how does one tackle this dilemma? heat activated Suppressant system? not being a wiseguy, i'm generally interested in how one would safe guard against such a thing...
enjoy your channel immensely; though your "initial plans for refit" (plans change) makes me nervous --- personally i wouldn't change a thing -- sail it as is, as intended -- you don't want it to look like the "chitty chitty bang bang" of the classic yacht world - if you are a master woodworker and can match the craftsmanship - possibly. As a minimalist, pack a canvas duffel and sail for blue water...
Its called living witin your means. I have my hat off for you guys and wish yous the very best. Loving it ✌️
I first followed because I sail and enjoy sailing channels but stayed for what it has become.
Are you guys being realistic? How will you generate enough electricity for an electric motor and an induction stove? Do you have enough room for a couple good sized solar panels and maybe a wind generator? What about an auto pilot? Wind vane instead? Do you have enough room for storage when on an extra long passage? So many questions .. I love your enthusiasm though.
They’ll realize their big mistake in a shipping channel with a tanker heading right for them and no wind to get out of the way. They’ll die for sure
Keep that brand new diesel engine for a few a reasons. Going green energy with solar panels and wind generator while making sufficient power is slim to none on the boat your size especially when you're using it to power your boat, you will also be taking away from the antique look of your boat that makes it so pretty. You will end up buying a generator defeating the purpose of removing the engine. Spending 10K on electric components to power your boat that will only last 3-10 years doesn't make much sense when you have a brand new engine sitting on the boat waiting for install that will serve all your power needs reliably for years with zero fuss.
Willow, you should give your sage advice to Sailing Uma too. They've been ignorantly sailing a larger boat with an electric motor for a couple years now. ...and without a generator. They don't even realize it's impossible! Please go set them straight. th-cam.com/channels/XbWsGV_cjG3gOsSnNJPVlg.html
Edited to add: And of course you're right about a diesel engine being "zero fuss". I've never seen any of the folks on sailing channels work on their engines. - Sailing Nandji, the Wynns, Tula, La Vagbonde, Zingaro, etc. Not one video showing engine repair....ever!
David, Theres one major difference between all those sailing channels and this one, they have a brand new engine with zero hours. Have you heard the vega bond have any issues with their new engines?? You should be able to get at least 1000 hours with no issues with regular oil changes, fuel filter every 100 hours and say a new impeller every couple hundred hours. Realistically you should get around 3000-5000 hours on a diesel engine block without major repair. I got close to a thousand hours on my gas outboard f200, zero issues besides some new seals for the hydraulic steering. While lithium batteries are great and much better than lead acid, you can only get 500-2000 life cycles out of a lithium battery from full charge to discharge. that number can up and down depending on full discharge or not and obviously battery makeup.
I think sailing uma is great and obviously works for them but its definitely not everyone, did you just watch their video talking about range on their lead acid batteries vs the new lithium batteries? I think they said they use to get like 15-30 minutes of run time with lead acid and now hoping to get a few hours of run time with the new lithium batteries, could be wrong on their actually run time but i remember as something like that. For many weekend warriors that is sufficient, but in terms of cruising that would not work for a majority of people. In my opinion, having a maximum range of 30 miles is not sufficient for any live aboard cruiser without having dock space and shore power. Shoot, I just ran 28 miles today fishing on around 12-14 gallons running the engine for 7 hours, unfortunately didn't get any keeper fish though :/
I'm not against motor/battery operated boats, in fact my last little 20 foot (bay) sailboat (harbor 20) was a motor/ battery propelled, Fun little boat for the harbor... While it was nice to have it when the wind cut out, i don't see it being viable option for a cruising boat.
I"ll answer your questions below, but my bigger point was that your _opinions_ are not facts. _You_ should keep your diesel engine, and if you ever end up with a brand new one, by all means install it rather than selling it. That does not mean that others are wrong for making different choices. All the negativity from you and so many other commenters is ridiculous. Sorry that AC is challenging your thinking and doing something different than you, but get over it. Who cares that you wouldn't do the same? Just watch the videos or unsubscribe. Do you really think AC is going to change what they're doing based on a stranger's TH-cam comment? (Yes, I see my hypocrisy: You're not going to change based on my comments either.)
>"Have you heard the vega bond have any issues with their new engines?"
Yes. Many. See La Vagabonde's episode 134, for example. th-cam.com/video/BKTc1OqG-6c/w-d-xo.htmlm46s Regarding this episode they wrote: "One engine wasn’t working and the other wasn’t 100% reliable (the same problem with the control boxes needing replacing and a jump start was required if you wanted to fire it up before then)" So, I understand that your "zero fuss" comment may have been hyperbole, but on average I'll bet electric motors are less "fuss" than diesels, so even without the hyperbole I doubt your point is relevant. They're giving up one brand new engine for another brand new engine, but electric motors are a lot simpler.
>"did you just watch [Uma's] video talking about range on their lead acid batteries vs the new lithium batteries?"
Yes. It's episode 135. He said their old lead batteries would only give them 15 minutes of engine time, but the new lithium batteries will give 5 hours (rather than "a few hours"). th-cam.com/video/vY_-Wfyx0_A/w-d-xo.htmlm27s Also note that is 5 hours without any charge being added, for example if they were motoring in the dark.
>"For many weekend warriors that is sufficient, but in terms of cruising that would not work for a majority of people."
What's your point here? Uma _is_ a cruising boat. They'll be sailing across the Atlantic. AC is not telling everyone to throw out their diesel engines. They are choosing to use electric, like Uma. So your point is that AC is doing something that the majority of sailors don't do? Yeah, no kidding. Why the negativity about it though?
There was zero negativity in my original posts, If my facts or opinions offended you or Abandon Comfort i would like to start off apologizing. My intent was to simply put into my personal experiences backed with facts with electric vs diesel, usage, and reliability along with some of the benefits and negatives of each. I didn't think my suggestions was offensive but sorry if i hurt your feelings.
Having been raised around engines, electric motors, boats, dirtbikes my whole life, I firmly believe there is purpose and place for each; mostly dependent on the application. My grandfather had a motor company and held patents on motors, my father has been selling electric motors for anything and everything for 40 years. I have seen many fried and or worn electric motors, seized bearings, dead esc's and on and on. I can usually fix anything broken but when it comes to a fried electric speed controller or charger, theres not much you can do besides drop more $ and replace it. I have had an electric sailboat, My brother has a tesla. Great car but limited range, and as far as charging it we had to install a 50 amp 220v so it could fully recharge over night. Charging it on 110 volt for 8 hours would net you 20 ish miles.
Charging any substantial battery bank with wind and solar is very difficult/ near impossible depending on your boat sq footage. Most cruisers with solar and wind generators make just enough power to run their electronics and navigation equipment, This is why i mentioned having an electric boat that has a permanent dock slip with shore power is a must. I said i believe it would work or weekend warriors but don't see it being logical for cruisers. Just because one person doesn't mean it is without its drawbacks. It was my interpretation that abandon comfort were more cruiser life style so i put my opinion with facts to support it. Ultimately this is their channel, journey, and choice and i will enjoy there videos regardless of their choice.
I believe many people have a false idea that, "if its electric then there is zero problems unlike gas or diesel engines." The truth is with any mechanical device there will always be problems. Just like diesel growing algae, batteries get old and have a life cycle. Electric motors can and will burn up if over heated, same goes for an engine. Electric speed controllers can and will burn up if over heated or a power surge happens. electric motors if brushed will wear out, sometimes serviceable sometimes not. Bearings can give out, charging can and will always be an issue. For every engine issue I can show an electrical one. There is a reason why 99% of boats are still engine driven and the only boats battery powered are bay boats.
To sum it up,I believe a modern diesel will be just as reliable as an electric propelled boat without the headache of worrying about range, batteries, chargers, solar, wind, powering electronics.
> "This is why i mentioned having an electric boat that has a permanent dock slip with shore power is a must."
How can you keep writing this when there are clearly people with electric motors who are not on docks? In addition to Sailing Uma, mentioned previously, there's Rigging Doctor, Learning the Lines, and Sailing Saoirse. I'm sure a search would turn up lots more that I haven't heard of, and that would only be folks who vlog. I'm no naval historian, but I think there were also some early sailors (before TH-cam!) who didn't use motors for entire ocean passages.
While it's true that current electric motors won't propel you for a day at a time, I think some folks are willing to rely more on the wind than you - i.e., they're willing to sit longer when there is no wind, and sail up closer to mooring balls and anchorages. Part of this may be how they view their time and the point of sailing, but a much bigger part, I think, is that they simply don't want to burn diesel. It's not that they think electric motors will outperform diesels (on the measures you rate most highly).
Analogy: It's generally easier to be an omnivore than a vegan - in terms of grocery shopping and eating out - but that doesn't mean folks should only be vegans if they live on a farm. Comments posted about the impracticality of being vegan would be missing the point.
She's lovely! Great choice. The storage is insane! A truly good cruising boat will feel like the storage capacity is borderline magical. We're continually finding new places to stow stuff on our Pacific Seacraft 34.
Guys - loved this episode and really appreciate the transparency. The new boat looks incredible - very much looking forward to seeing the refit unfold!
Awesome boat and flippen well utilized space! Love it!
Sailing Sisu. The whole boat is like the half of one of your hulls. Can you picture yourself living in this boat?
:-) , Marcela, myself have lived the last 14 years in 24 post conflict countries or super poor countries where some of my houses were smaller than this boat, just without the well utilized space. For sure, Sisu is perhaps three times the size I am use to, but I think it may be about time :-)
Lovely boat, although wood equals maintenance. Best of British luck. I recommend that you install the nice new engine, put fuel in the fuel tank and keep galley cooker and lamp as is (and have a back up electric one if you must). Oh and keep the toilet as it is. Are you growing vegetables hence need thee compost? No. Changes seem necessary at first but really she's a traditional old girl and some things are sacrilegious. You're young and impulsive to fix what's probably not broken. New wine in old bottles rarely tastes good. I'm quite envious really. Xx
What ? No deck work ? Thank God ! We all felt your pain last time. Love your stuff and love your ethos. The adventure continues....
Good for you guy! I’m happy to see you do what you want and I’m excited to see where the adventure takes you/us.
hate to see you guys butcher this piece of art.....this boat is perfect for blue water with a new diesel and you guys are very inexperienced to make this judgement call. PLEASE leave it the ways it is and not make a HOME Depot yacht out of it.
Beautiful boat. A classic boat. In prisrine condition. I hope you aren't about to chop bits off of this origina classicl boat.
I so pumped to find your TH-cam. You guys have some bold and brave idea's. I'm with you on this pocket cruiser idea. Supper happy to here some like minded people. Beautiful boat with a beautiful crew. Congratulations you guys
Absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. Love it !
I hope you decide to flip it for a hefty profit that it is worth, before you tear into it. You really don't know what you have there.
Please do not screw in up!
You are 100% correct, theses liberal morons will destroy that boat.. the could have gotten more money for the boat they just sold if the idiots had not taken the diesel powered heater out and incorrectly re-plumbed the self bailing deck bulk head fittings,, they are both worthless liberal democraps
@@AmmoMaster agreed...why would they redesign a perfect cruise with no idea of what they really want....morons
Getting rid of this very efficient, dependable diesel is a big mistake!
The boat looks like a dream it's such a jewel!
We sail on our 1975 Westsail 32 that we found that had not been maintained at all. We bought her for slightly more than what you paid. (4 year refit doing all the work ourselves.)After living aboard for 3 years we have found her to be the right size for two people. You will find the cost of maintenance and upkeep on the smaller boat is really affordable, plus you pay per foot in the marinas. For your bed layout I think you will enjoy sleeping fore and aft as opposed to crosswise. If you anchor out much you will mostly be rocking fore and aft. If not you will modify your anchor setup so you do. Fore and aft is a gentler motion in a boat. The side to side boat movement really sucks in comfort. We anchor out over 80% of the time.
Great videos keep up the work!
OMG kids! What a classic you have purchased! Add to that the value of a proven craft, beautifully built for simple comforts and you have achieved your desired goal of living a minimalist lifestyle without sleeping in a tent! She is an absolute treasure and we are looking forward to you getting her launched and on your way. Will enjoy seeing a better view once you have the covers removed.
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I agree on that!
Great boat for the money. I think given your lack of seagoing and general sailing experience I would keep that engine and fit it. You cant beat a good strong engine to get you out of trouble or to get to a safe harbour. The more you sail the more situations you will encounter. You will also enhance the value of the boat which is important as with time you may want to change it again a it may not meet your needs. The quirkier a boat the harder it is to sell. Nothing wrong with that mast. I would keep it and you should get years of service from it. Enjoy
I have a wooden mast and it's over 50 years old. It's teamed with a wooden gaff and boom of the same age. While they are not as pristine as your spar, they are solid and strong. AND beautiful.
They do require maintenance, but so do aluminum spars. Keep it!
Talk with Jules at Emerald Steel about the woody. I am giddy for you folks, what a boat!!!!
Oh !! I forgot about the dog ! Where’s he going to be all day ? Come on guys really?
On the HR I remember you saying there was no reason to have this much boat. I hope the little cutter works out for you, for me it's much more about the ride. I can't wait to see what you guys think about the smaller boat in a serious seaway. Good for you if you enjoy it, I wouldn't. Sea Yawl Later !!
Rusty Sitton if they ever actually take it out on the ocean.
Thank you for the honesty
"Pursuing happiness over money..." The affection you have for boats and this boat - I am onboard! :)
(I live half an hour with a fast boat from where they build Hallberg Rassy... )
DO NOT SELL THE DIESEL ENGINE! That can be a life saver!
Im feeling that selling the HR boat and buying this tiny trailer sailer is leading up to some lake “sailing” trips and some ICW motoring as well. I dont think they actually like sailing at all?
Get ready for some more BS and way less sailing than any other channel.
You do not have a clue. Big plastic boats are not real boats. They now have a boat that will out sail your plastic any day anywhere.
@Ben - I was referring to the comment Scott made about the boat being a trailer sailer and his uncalled for ill informed snide remark.
A year for now , the WHAT were we thinking slap will come...
Look forward to the next episode, great channel great message
I love that you are telling your story not just the dream! The reality is much more interesting!
Had a 1941 Dragon with a wooden mast and there were no issues. As long as it is sound it is an asset to the boat. Keep using it!!!
Your dream and minimalist lifestyle, tiny house living is a wonderful thing. This is a beautiful boat but it is a coastal cruiser, it is not a great blue water boat. You had such a nice boat that you just refitted for your cruising dream.
With a boat this size you will have problems with enough space just to provision for long blue water passages. 3 plus a dog will be tight. Good luck when you are sleeping with your feet above your head or when your head is hitting the wall with the bed located port and starboard.Giving up the brand new diesel engine, not so sure that is the best idea. You will be giving up proven reliable technology for lithium ion batteries and maybe an electric motor(not sure if you are even doing this). The lithium is great for basic power needs but not for propulsion. When you have no sun, wind or other way to recharge you will be in trouble without the diesel engine. When you have sail or mast problems you will be in bigger trouble on your coastal cruiser with limited or no propulsion.
Good luck and please stay safe.
Donald Klarich Well put. They demonstrate no working knowledge of what the diesel engine is for.
They are not thinking.
What a great little find! Enjoyed, glad you explained the reasoning behind the downsize, as I thought you had lost it (lol). Thanks for sharing.
Love the adventure...just binge watched every episode (two nights!)
I am glad you guys stopped your plans to get the boat you always wanted! It's BEAUTIFUL! I can't wait to see what you guys do to it :)
Us too! It was a really hard decision but long-term we know this is best for us :)
yup, I love it. It looks like Popeye's boat.
All that beautiful wood.;)
It's not 35 feet of living space. It's 35 feet of provisioning space. You gave up a short range cruiser for a day sailor. A cruiser needs speed, provision volume, stability. You lost it. You got a trailer instead. What's your hull speed, 4 knots? My 1300 lb 21' day sailor with swing keel does 5 knots.
I’m new to your videos . I plan on watching them all . Your living our dream . Traveling and living on your sailboat. What a great find!
I love that you are following your dream and sharing the real journey with us. Life is complex and nonlinear (as much as we wish it were otherwise). Thank you for another excellent video :)
When you will have next video? can't wait any more :D
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Wow. That's a museum piece! What a finding!!!