Pretty much. Its not even just with hitchikers like rats and insects, our own bodies are filled with 'foreign' bacteria that can end up on another planet (feces, blood, etc.)
There was an old STAR TREK TNGen episode where they found a message in our Human DNA put there by some extinct elder Race, and as it turned out was in common with the Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians that were all then 'seeded' by them from this progenitor stock.
Hey Anton! I just want to say thank you for your daily uploads, they really put some order into my chaotic days. Me and my family sometimes sit down to watch them together too! Take care and see ya tomorrow ❤
Where ever we go, we give a raft (unintentionally) to a whole host of organisms and vermin. So I have no doubt we will bring a lot of familiar life with us.
Anton said we are going to be toasted in half a billion years... Don't worry, we wont have to wait that long. They are working pretty hard at getting rid of humanity right now! hehe ;^)
Hey, just a simple thanks Anton. I get to look forward to your channel and you basically ALWAYS have a video. That means you work your ass off. When I'm a little better off, I'll spend some money on your channel and charity. Good channel, good content, you're a good dude, and I genuinely thank you.
Thank you for your hard work Anton this channel has certainly broaden my horizons in astrophysics and science❤❤❤ this video title is going to get a lot of feedback in my opinion. We should send out an offer to every one of our politicians to be the first to go😂😂😂
My first reaction: Yay! My second thought 🤔: Do we really want to seed the universe with relatively unintelligent, narcissistic grifters, who make the Ferengi look like saints?
Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from arising on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding objects that are or may become habitable precludes native species ever springing into being there.
What we *should* do is terraform worlds that neither are nor have a significant chance to become habitable, and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from arising on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds.
Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding objects that are or may become habitable precludes native species ever springing into being there.
Hahaha “made in China” was actually really funny man. More spontaneous Anton humor, hope it means you’re starting to feel well again. Thanks as always.
@Packhorse-bh8qn earth has been dispersing fungal spores into space for millions of years. Including spores that can survive deep freeze indefinitely and fungal species which can metabolise rock. It's not up for debate whether it happens the debate is over our specific origins
@@ReformsquaI also think it likely happens within a solar system but yet we still have no proof of this so I would think it's a leap of logic to say that panspermia definitely happens as in most context we're talking about interstellar panspermia, of which we have no proof it's even possible, let alone happens all the time.
Yes. I firmly believe this to be our destiny. If we can't find life in our cosmic neighborhood, it's up to us to change that. This galaxy is our sandbox.
Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from arising on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding objects that are or may become habitable precludes native species ever springing into being there.
What we *should* do is terraform worlds that neither are nor have a significant chance to become habitable, and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
If you thought deeper about it, you'd find out that there is very important conditions that must be met, or otherwise there is no duty to keep life going, for if it would just live miserably.
@@eternisedDragon7 Depends what kind of life you introduce to a planet, it could adapt to the environment, and potentially thrive and terraform the planet (over a very long time)
Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from arising on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding objects that are or may become habitable precludes native species ever springing into being there.
What we *should* do is terraform worlds that neither are nor have a significant chance to become habitable, and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
@@TristanLaguz No, you are mistaken, because to add extreme amounts of misery to the universe doesn't make the anyway inevitable any better, and that's what forcing octillions of animals into survival of the fittest would do, and if you have doubts about that, then e.g. read the wild animal suffering Wikipedia page or think deeper about the topic. Humanity has to accept macro-ethical red lines.
Just wanted to say that i hugely appreciate that you take your information from actual science articles. Can't explain how much it eases me to see such a professional type of youtuber, and knowing that when I come to your channel I can relatively safely rely on the information provided. Keep up the good work man! Much love from Sweden
Good that there is trillions of galaxies out there with billions of stars, so that the process of ruling the existence of life elsewhere in the universe out would take us eternally long.
Apparently you don't know that most living organisms in the wild overall mainly suffer. Look it up and educate yourself about it before you apply your cognitive dissonance to a decision question you lack qualifications for.
Let's not forget about the time dillatation either. Depending on the terminal speed this solar sail could reach and cruise at for the majority of the journey, the subjective time of individual capsules may be considerably shorter, making the survival of these organisms more likely as well. I would LIVE to see a launch of some similar project to a confirmed dead world (like those protoplanetary discs) in my lifetime
Finally addressing Panspermia in an intelligent manner. Science and time will prove Panspermia is the most probable way life started on Earth and other planets. Alien life will look similar to humans and other life on Earth. To the naysayers, never say never. Best episode, yet. Thank you, Anton.
Panspermia, even if true, is not an answer to how life was started. Furthermore if true, life on other worlds wouldn't look like life here as it has had BILLIONS of years to diverge. Another point; we are quite close to the formation of the universe (13.8 bya) and Earth formed 4.5 billion years ago. You're proposing that life began and evolved somewhere else, somehow left it's own world, and traveled to our planet on just the first 10 billion years instead of simply evolving here? Occam's Razor ffs.
@@filonin2, Top Astronomers Gather to Confront Possibility They Were Very Wrong About the Universe. That’s the latest headline I saw the other day. You have your opinion based on scientists who are claiming they are wrong, time and time, again. Your theory is only your theory. I have my theory and neither one is correct OR wrong. Time will bear out the truth. I’m just relieved that Anton finally addressed this theory, whether you care to believe it or not. Let the scientists keep rewriting the text books.
Apparent, but we wouldn't be able to detect ourselves if we were a few light years away. Also, radio waves are most likely not used by advanced civilizations.
Pretty sure rocking up to any planet with an atmosphere and in habitable zone and flushing the septic tank would do the trick. Getting there is the hard part. Worked for Earth. Lol 👽
It would be among humanity's greatest ethical achievements if we can withhold ourselves from any such endeavors actually, so you have it completely wrong.
@@eternisedDragon7 There is nothing great or ethical about allowing life on earth to eventually burn up in the sun just as there is nothing great about suicide.
Depends on the life we spread and what life is already present. There are arguments to be made for suberting extremely simple life and working towards preserving that life on a less hospitable planet.
Precious and temporary. Life is an energy dissipation interval. The more complex, the shorter the time the necessary contingencies required to support it will exist.
Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from forming on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding uninhabited habitable worlds precludes native species ever springing into being there. What we *should* do is terraform uninhabit*able* worlds and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from forming on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding uninhabited habitable worlds precludes native species ever springing into being there. What we *should* do is terraform uninhabit*able* worlds and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
If you seed an inhabited world, you risk harming the native species. If you seed a *yet* uninhabited world or nebula that is or may get habitable, you destroy the chances of new, original life ever forming there. Hence, seeding objects that are or are likely to become habitable would be a grave crime worthy only of a virus-minded species.
Just like the history of life on early Earth, most things didn't survive so I think we should seed other planets and moons to try and create new celestial bodies for us to live on down the road.
I'm kinda meh on this idea. It doesn't really matter if our version of "life" continues on elsewhere, it is primarily our civilization and society that we treasure. On balance, I would be for this, if only because if we _are_ able to keep our society (in whatever form it might have taken over the years) for millions of years, it might give us someone to meet in our far future. if Fermi were the Dalai Lama, he might say, "Be the life that you want to find in the Universe."
I will have always considered it a possibility that a very advanced civilization realizes that it's difficult for life to start, so they decided to seed the Galaxy with something that would be capable of development, such as for example of virus or bacteria. This would give anything a head start as soon as the conditions were viable.
"Be fruitful and multiply" : not only we should, but this is our mission to expand life and conciousness across the universe, starting by our solar system, then our galaxy.
No it isn't if it would only dominantly add to the suffering that is ever experienced. Creating hells by recklessly playing god is an atrocity beyond good and evil and an irredeemable crime, and that is what wild animals' horrible living conditions would factually be like. All animals need energy to live and this requires work and species in an arms race to the bottom are forced to work harder and harder or they die out, so ultimately it steers towards dominance of pain in wild biospheres.
@@eternisedDragon7 It's a gift that needs to be shared. Individually life is pain but useless without consciousness.I love life, most I know do as well. Give life a chance because, like I said, the window is small.
@@Mr-Neven An extensive amount of natural suffering has been described as an unavoidable consequence of Darwinian evolution and the pervasiveness of reproductive strategies which favor producing large numbers of offspring, with a low amount of parental care and of which only a small number survive to adulthood, the rest dying in painful ways, has led some to argue that suffering dominates happiness in nature.
@@eternisedDragon7 I am glad we all have our own perception of the universe. BTW large mammals normally don't have a lot of offspring and a also have short fertility timescales. I also don't feel that being prayed upon is suffering. Circle of Life is beautiful to me.
Humans need to realise that our behaviour is nature. Therefore, scientific discovery in all fields is nature. We tend to think we "interfere" with nature... but we only are nature. We shouldn't distance ourselves from it because we think we're above it. I hope we have the humility to accept ourselves fully as nature.
We’re OF nature. Saying “fully as nature” would infer we couldn’t see beyond it. But humans(some more than others) are very capable abstract thinkers. We modify, extend, or regulate natural phenomena into something artificial. Meaning our technology/art is produced creatively.
I was just talking about this. Yes we should seed life as best we can. In the hopes it will evolve and prosper. We are obligated to as an intelligent species and the only life we found so far.
Yes. Unequivocally. How do we know we ourselves are not a product of such a practice. Complex life and even more so, sentient life is exceedingly rare.
To use valuation of something solely based on its rarity as basis for moral reasoning is axiomatically flawed. The biblical hell is even more rare but that doesn't mean we should create examples in its image in the real world. Besides this, such an argument about rarity defeats itself as soon as life had become normal or abundant and lose the rarity argument or may even have to become rarer again.
Unequivocally 🤨? Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from arising on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding objects that are or may become habitable precludes native species ever springing into being there.
What we *should* do is terraform worlds that neither are nor have a significant chance to become habitable, and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
Unequivocally 🤨? Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from arising on habitable worlds.
I think we could use it as a way to terraform other planets, but we should start with planets in our own solar system first so we can directly observe the effects.
Absolutely, question is only in what way, how much, and leaving a few worlds empty, just for the reason of diversifying where life exitsts. It is disturbing we still haven't found actual sign of life anywhere else. This is a major threat to us and life in general considering how much and how long it went into making US.
It'd be unethical not to, especially if we can. There's very little risk of a body being inhabited when we get there. We should try to seed every body with some suitable type of life, or self replicating robots with some inbuilt capacity to change
I believe we should, as soon as it's practical to do so. Moreover, I think it's our duty to do so. If we can't go everywhere ourselves yet , then we owe it to Darwinian natural selection that has been ongoing here for millions of years - to send successful representatives of evolution here on Earth. You never know, it might even turn out that it's our purpose to do so. To send our most successful, the strongest and the fittest.
Thats what I was thinking. I strongly agree, we are obliged to do everything in our capacity to increase the survival chance of the great gift that is life. Just for the reason that it would be a waste & shame if it were to go extinct, and there wouldn't be anything or anyone around anymore to experience and admire the beauty that is the universe we are part of. Personally, I wasn't raised religiously so this isn't the motivation for me, but I do think that a great multimillenial life-spreading project could be the next thing that brings humankind together spiritually, in a similar way the building of the pyramids or cathedrals did before our time. And although Im no Christian, honestly, "go hither and multiply" truely seems like a purpose of ours on a deep level that should maybe be taken to the next step, as we, human caretakers of the world spread all life (so explicitly NOT just spread humankind with its extractive and exploitative nature) to other planets, not for our own benefit but for the preservation of that life itself, in all of its forms. So no matter which way you view this, whether you're agnostic (like I), spiritual, Christian or other, in my view all moral arguments point into the directrion that we have a duty to spread life to other planets and star systems.
@@thomasdam9916 thank you Thomas and I read and understand your reply. It seems to me to be a no brainer. It's harsh out there, there is an enormous amount of vacant real estate. We are just a small gear in an enormous machine. We should send everything we can in every direction as soon as possible. I wouldn't even bother picking and choosing what exactly because I think we would be a really poor judge of what would have the most chance of success. They would be Earthlings, nonetheless.
Not only we SHOULD, I think it is a moral obligation to spread life. Earth life, so that it can evolve further and perhaps create more conscienceness around the galaxy. It would be such a waste if life ended on our planet.
Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from forming on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding uninhabited habitable worlds precludes native species ever springing into being there. What we *should* do is terraform uninhabit*able* worlds and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
If you seed an inhabited world, you risk harming the native species. If you seed a *yet* uninhabited world or nebula that is or may get habitable, you destroy the chances of new, original life ever forming there. Hence, seeding objects that are or are likely to become habitable would be a grave crime worthy only of a virus-minded species.
No one, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from forming on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding uninhabited habitable worlds precludes native species ever springing into being there. What we *should* do is terraform uninhabit*able* worlds and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
I believe we should, if only to get more minds together on how to save the universe.. or rather just keep it going and reverse entropy so life can continue having fun forever.
No, if you want more minds, we should instead work on creating genetically artificially modified humanly intelligent octopuses to have a larger collection of brains to solve problems and to have far more effective care-takers of our oceanic biosphere and possibly that within ice-moons or nearby water world planets eventually.
No. We are far from the technology to even accurately gauge if a planet has life, thus we have no right or business spreading random life to other places disrupting it. We find life in new unexpected places on Earth still ALL THE TIME. We are hundreds perhaps thousands of years from doing so on other planets appropriately.
I strongly disagree. Biospheres are easily detected.And if the only life is bacterial, it isn't worth preservation. Plus a biosphere wouldn't necessarily destroy alien bacteria, they might end up thriving instead. I saw we should terraform every single baren body out there. any pre existing biospheres should be carefully studdied with dna being kept of every single alien creature just in case we do accidentally whipe out a species.
It's not like the universe is hurting for space. Humanity spreading life will likely only affect our galaxy ever. Let's just try it and see if it can work. If it does, it vastly opens up the possibility of cultivating radically different organisms that could help humanity or other sapient life in the future.
@@eternisedDragon7 crime implies a victim? Having failed to anthropomorphize a victim, I see no reason why we shouldn't go out there and get everything dirty so to speak. For instance, I would not feel the least bit guilty introducing earth bacteria or even tardigrades to Mars for example, the planet is proven dead. There is no life there and fossils do not want sympathy. If we find macrobiology beneath the ice of Saturn's moons, a case could be made for isolation and preservation. Microbiology might warrant an extended study, but eventually, we will need the water as we expand. I do not weep for the 99.9% who die when I wash my hands. If we encounter intelligent life out there in the galaxy, I am still in favor of reaching out and meeting them. The dark forest theory can get ****ed, I am not afraid to do the work necessary to make friends.
If the dark forest theory is true regarding other sentient life in the universe, then it's a safer bet to get on as many planets as we can. If we visit them, we will be altering them in some way anyway.
You can find my refutation of the dark forest hypothesis in the Talk page of the Fermi Paradox Wikipedia page, and while you're at it, you may as well find out why it's a bad idea to get to as many planets as we can.
@@holdinmuhl4959well the life that doesn't spread kinda, doesn't spread.. It just sits there and eventually goes extinct. The fact that we are still here means we are coded to spread.
That depends on what you consider life and what kind of biodiversity you're talking about. A planet with nothing but bacteria? Seed away! A planet with a biosphere that is likely to fail due to low biodiversity? I'd say add species that can adapt and bolster it.
@@francois853 I'm not seeding a world with bacterial life. Are you insane? You'd blow up the perfect opportunity to witness evolution without the impact of human intervention. You'd alter the course of evolution for the native biology. It's poor form.
I've always wanted a programme of sending piles of random organic gunk to other planets. Just like buckets of wet mud, full of bacteria and microorganisms or whatever. Just to see if anything happens. For all we know, that might be all it takes to terraform another world. That and time, I guess.
But... who cares? If life on another planet is not more than a bacterial mat, which would take billions of years to evolve with a close to zero probability, why not use it for something more advanced and reliable?
Ethics should be secondary when its a matter of survival. Life should spread to other planets and if planet Earth can have a hand on that, it would be an honor and a service for life itself.
@@RISKS_V You can't derive an ethical position from a descriptive fact. That's a category error. The fact that living organisms try to procreate in no way morally obliges anyone to procreate.
@@JcoleMc No, not even remotely the point. As Anton mentions a few times, the thought experiment is almost entirely about the preservation and proliferation of life. And with that goal in mind, you can see the problem. If there is a chance your mission exterminates indigenous, novel, alien life, then you've really screwed up.
I think we should spread life through our galaxy, especially that it seems the rare earth hypothesis is most likely answer to Fermi paradox. Instead of questioning if we can afford killing some basic life forms if rare earth hypothesis is wrong, we should ask ourselfes if we can risk losing posibly most resiliant and genetically andvanced life in our galaxy if this hipothesis is right.
@@eternisedDragon7 We should not rush it, but we should have a plan at all times. You know, doom always lurks just around the corner, maybe not for all life on earth, but certainly for humanity.
Except all the wild animals that then don't have to be mercilessly and helplessly be subjected to exo-biospheres in gruesome survival of the fittest conditions.
@@eternisedDragon7 everything you see and touch is a product of natural selection. There is no right and wrong when it comes to self preservation. It would be wise to say that a lack of self preservation is a genetic defect that is naturally corrected by itself. There is not point in sparing foreign life that doesnt benefit us. It wouldnt spare us.
what should be really done first before answering your issue -- answering of what is life from the point of physics. better understanding of life will help with this)
The movie Last and First Men 2020 is a fun meditative piece of art that some of you might enjoy. I came for the music and feel in love with the intriguing scifi story. It was composed and directed by the late Icelandic composer Jóhann Jóhannsson.
@@brickch4pel NO! It's a crime, you fools! Check out the wild animal suffering Wikipedia page and educate yourselves before risking instigating people towards astronomical scale crimes.
YES!!!! I've been saying for years that if we determine that a planet (or moon) does not have detectable life, we need to put it there. Unleash the water bears!!!
We humans have the choice between three roles we can play in earth‘s ecosystem: 1) A decease that threatens to kill much of life and takes ages to recover 2) A minor parasite like a flea: annoying but not life threatening. 3) The seed that spreads life beyond the boundaries of this planet. Only in the last case we pay our debts to nature. Life is willing to suffer damage for successful procreation. We can give something that is worth equal or more than the damage we already have done.
If you seed an inhabited world, you risk harming the native species. If you seed a *yet* uninhabited world or nebula that is or may get habitable, you destroy the chances of new, original life arising there. Hence, seeding objects that are or are likely to become habitable would be a grave crime worthy only of a virus-minded species.
What a high-minded civilization would do instead is make habitable an object that neither is nor is likely to become habitable on its own. It would then seed some of these artificially habitable objects with life and leave others free so that new life can arise there by itself. This is what we should do, too ... if we can, that is.
If you seed an inhabited world, you risk harming the native species. If you seed a *yet* uninhabited world or nebula that is or may get habitable, you destroy the chances of new, original life arising there. Hence, seeding objects that are or are likely to become habitable would be very unethical.
If you seed an inhabited world, you risk harming the native species. If you seed a *yet* uninhabited world or nebula that is or may get habitable, you destroy the chances of new, original life arising there.
while i don’t think we should spread life to other planets (or at least mitigate it in our exploration) because if there are extraterrestrial ecosystems capable of sustaining earth life we could potentially wreck mass havoc on those ecosystems. we’d be no better than the antagonists in our alien invasion scifi stories. plus we need to focus on conserving and saving our own ecosystems before we even think about sending life to other worlds
there was an episode in stargate sg-1 about this kind of interaction, an episode called scorched earth. the Gadmeer civilization sent a terraforming and seed ship that was advanced enough to create an AI hologram to interact with the people and negotiate and arrangement to move the Enkaran people to the home world they were separated from, before they would be destroyed from the aggressive terraforming for a sulfur based life form. when the Gadmeer first scanned the planet for potential terraforming there were no life forms on the planet, the only way to know is to do another scan when they get there. not all sci fi stories have bad endings, but it is fiction after all
Did you know that NASA in the near future plans to risk exactly such extreme interference with their so-called SWIM mission to (with likely contaminated probes) dive into an ice-moon's ocean and have the mother-probe open up and spread many more (quite plausibly with microbes contaminated) probes in it?
I think it would be unethical NOT to try. No one says we have to fire the capsules blind and they would probably be sent towards suitable candidates without biosignatures. I doubt this will happen on a large scale without a functional industry in space. And we would be able to build massive telescopes in large numbers at that point to check first.
What if I told you that I know that it instead actually would be highly ethical not to try, and even among the highest ethical things of all decisions.
There are two kinds of people. Those who see ethical problems in bringing earth life to worlds that may already have life...and those who have no problem in invading territory on their own planet, whether it's inhabited or not.
3 kinds actually: Those that understand that the creation of wild biospheres dominantly produces unutterable extents of misery and ought not to happen ever.
I think we need to first better understand the very first life on earth and how life can form overall, as I do not think sending organisms would be viable because of the whole interstellar journey combined with the possibility of significant changes to the destination planet while en route. However sending a catalyst of sorts, something that with enough understanding we believe should allow the first organisms to form would be the way to go. This way any life that evolves there evolves in a way that would be endemic to that planet, as evolution tailors life for that planet. I think that would be more likely to succeed, especially if widely distributed and again, specific to what is known to be on the destination that could support life, though not necessarily life from earth.
what if there are planets that can host life but not create it? the solar system is 4,5 Billion years old, has had 3 habitable planets at one point, not to mention the countless icy moons that can house subsurface oceans. none of these have had life, as far as we know. what if the only limiting factor is pure chance? why should we not just seed life there? otherwise they're just dead rocks...
Yes! The imperative for Earth life has been grow, expand to favorable environments, and reproduce. In a new environment, our life would compete with the adapted local life. The only advantage might be having more highly evolved abilities, like photosynthesis, which may benefit local life by increasing the food supply.
it's what humans and all other lifeforms do. humans specifically find beauty in it, purpose. we understand it even more than the other animals. to continue the self-replicating cycle.
Movie suggestion: Humans seeded Kepler 452-B billions of years ago by sending a small drone. Humans died out from civil war. Keplerites developed into an advance civilization. They sent a seeding drone to a small blue marble in the nearby cosmos. Keplerites wiped out by civil war. Humans evolved and currently question whether they should seed a potential Earth 2.0….. 🤔🤔
If we cannot live sustainably on Earth, there's no future for us in space. First things first! "The current magma energy project is assessing the engineering feasibility of extracting thermal energy directly from crustal magma bodies. The estimated size of the U.S. resource (50,000 to 500,000 quads) suggests a considerable potential impact on future power generation. In a previous seven-year study, we concluded that there are no insurmountable barriers that would invalidate the magma energy concept." (Nasa/Sandia Labs, 1982.) p.s. Global energy demand today is approx 600 quads, projected to rise to 900 quads over the next 30 years. (IEA, 2020.) Hurling some genetically engineered fungus at Mars seems like an act of desperation! Some sort of memorial. If our legacy isn't securing the existence of life on earth, count me out!
@@warlok363 You see, I've studied astrophysics and cosmology for years and knew this already, and yet my opinion is correct nonetheless. We cannot travel away anyway and even if we could, we shouldn't do so because of the microbial contamination that comes with it and outlasts us there as well and constitutes yet another microbial interplanetary contamination source risking unprecedented extents of suffering for octillions of animals if it triggered exo-biospheres.
As far as we've come since civilization started 10,000 years ago, and the fact that the more we learn the faster we learn, we'd probably figure most of this out given 300,000,000 years more.
thanks for the discussion anton it really is something for the planetary governments to decide along with other ideas like the rights of other sentients: alien; mutant/genetic; synthentic, and ai
If history is a guide we will spread it with us no matter if we want to or not. Where we go, life will follow with us.
Pretty much. Its not even just with hitchikers like rats and insects, our own bodies are filled with 'foreign' bacteria that can end up on another planet (feces, blood, etc.)
It entertains us to pretend we have a choice, though.
Then the Q is "How far can we go?". An experiment still in the running.
At the end of the day, we are still life.
Life is spreading itself
Especially rats. Rats love to follow us everywhere.
You're appreciated Anton, especially the last year or two. Stay wonderful
4:36 😂 I was listening to you while preparing dinner, and my daughter heard that and gave me the strangest look on her face. Well done Anton
There was an old STAR TREK TNGen episode where they found a message in our Human DNA put there by some extinct elder Race, and as it turned out was in common with the Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians that were all then 'seeded' by them from this progenitor stock.
And that episode is the theme for the current season of Star Trek Discovery.
It appears to be Season 6, Episode 20: "The Chase"
Which TNG episode was this?
@@WilliamFord972 TNG The Chase. Season 6 Episode 20
The best line in that episode was from the klingon: "if she wasn't already dead, I'd kill her!"
Hey Anton! I just want to say thank you for your daily uploads, they really put some order into my chaotic days. Me and my family sometimes sit down to watch them together too! Take care and see ya tomorrow ❤
Tardigrades: To infinity and beeyoooonnd!
Where ever we go, we give a raft (unintentionally) to a whole host of organisms and vermin. So I have no doubt we will bring a lot of familiar life with us.
Foliage, grass, trees, weeds, molds, fungi… If they had a say they would definitely want to spread their seeds where they can.
Yeah. And scientists are eager to find life outside earth....
I thought about this idea over 30 years ago as a teenager. It’s nice someone else had a similar thought. Anton is awesome for sticking to the facts.
You too? It’s like it’s everywhere!!
yes , we must use microbes and their abilities to adjust and evolve
No, we mustn't.
Yeah definitely. Misery loves company.
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Anton said we are going to be toasted in half a billion years... Don't worry, we wont have to wait that long. They are working pretty hard at getting rid of humanity right now! hehe ;^)
@@hankyou Sadly correct.
@@hankyou Incorrect. Civilization - probably. Human - nope, there is too much of us to just get rid of.
Hey, just a simple thanks Anton. I get to look forward to your channel and you basically ALWAYS have a video. That means you work your ass off. When I'm a little better off, I'll spend some money on your channel and charity.
Good channel, good content, you're a good dude, and I genuinely thank you.
Thank you for your hard work Anton this channel has certainly broaden my horizons in astrophysics and science❤❤❤ this video title is going to get a lot of feedback in my opinion. We should send out an offer to every one of our politicians to be the first to go😂😂😂
My first reaction: Yay!
My second thought 🤔: Do we really want to seed the universe with relatively unintelligent, narcissistic grifters, who make the Ferengi look like saints?
Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from arising on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding objects that are or may become habitable precludes native species ever springing into being there.
What we *should* do is terraform worlds that neither are nor have a significant chance to become habitable, and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from arising on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds.
Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding objects that are or may become habitable precludes native species ever springing into being there.
Hahaha “made in China” was actually really funny man. More spontaneous Anton humor, hope it means you’re starting to feel well again. Thanks as always.
You always have interesting videos. Keep it up
Some people are so concerned about whether we SHOULD that they never stopped to think about whether we COULD!
sure we could. we've sent probes to almost every body in our system, so we could easily attach a 'bio-sample' to any of them and drop it off
I appreciate you
Is that backaswards, or is it a joke?
@@stockholm1752 the backaswards is the joke ;)
Thank you Ian Malcolm!
The thing I love about the concept of panspermia is that people just assume it stopped…
Who assumed that?
@Packhorse-bh8qn earth has been dispersing fungal spores into space for millions of years. Including spores that can survive deep freeze indefinitely and fungal species which can metabolise rock. It's not up for debate whether it happens the debate is over our specific origins
@@ReformsquaI also think it likely happens within a solar system but yet we still have no proof of this so I would think it's a leap of logic to say that panspermia definitely happens as in most context we're talking about interstellar panspermia, of which we have no proof it's even possible, let alone happens all the time.
@Packhorse-bh8qn correct
@@filonin2 do some research on the octopus. That’ll pretty much answer your question
Yes. I firmly believe this to be our destiny. If we can't find life in our cosmic neighborhood, it's up to us to change that. This galaxy is our sandbox.
Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from arising on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding objects that are or may become habitable precludes native species ever springing into being there.
What we *should* do is terraform worlds that neither are nor have a significant chance to become habitable, and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
@@TristanLaguz Yes, indeed I think that's what's gonna happen. Alien life would be harvested and spread as well. Life is life.
Yes it is our duty to keep life going
If you thought deeper about it, you'd find out that there is very important conditions that must be met, or otherwise there is no duty to keep life going, for if it would just live miserably.
@@eternisedDragon7 Depends what kind of life you introduce to a planet, it could adapt to the environment, and potentially thrive and terraform the planet (over a very long time)
Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from arising on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding objects that are or may become habitable precludes native species ever springing into being there.
What we *should* do is terraform worlds that neither are nor have a significant chance to become habitable, and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
@@TristanLaguz No, you are mistaken, because to add extreme amounts of misery to the universe doesn't make the anyway inevitable any better, and that's what forcing octillions of animals into survival of the fittest would do, and if you have doubts about that, then e.g. read the wild animal suffering Wikipedia page or think deeper about the topic. Humanity has to accept macro-ethical red lines.
Thank you for all you do, Anton.
Just wanted to say that i hugely appreciate that you take your information from actual science articles. Can't explain how much it eases me to see such a professional type of youtuber, and knowing that when I come to your channel I can relatively safely rely on the information provided. Keep up the good work man! Much love from Sweden
It should be a backup plan imo. If we don’t find definitive proof of life on other planets, then we should spread life to other planets.
Good that there is trillions of galaxies out there with billions of stars, so that the process of ruling the existence of life elsewhere in the universe out would take us eternally long.
@@eternisedDragon7 That's an intentional misinterpretation. They meant confirm the absence of life on a SPECIFIC planet before we seed it.
We can and will argue forever, but we will still do it. The arguing might help avoid harming indigenous life.
Of course by the time it physically arrived, the natives would capture it at the edge of their solar system to study it.
there will not be any indigenous alien life.
@@1st1anarkissedThat’s assuming the natives have the technology to escape their planet
Sounds very likely to happen, well put
Required for proper terraforming. So yes, let's DO IT!
Except that terraforming is a crime.
@@eternisedDragon7😂
@@eternisedDragon7what? nobody ever said it was illegal!
Wonderful as always Anton. Thank you. 🤘😉
We have a massive responsibility to keep life going in the universe. Unless we find someone who has more responsibility than us.
Apparently you don't know that most living organisms in the wild overall mainly suffer. Look it up and educate yourself about it before you apply your cognitive dissonance to a decision question you lack qualifications for.
Let's not forget about the time dillatation either. Depending on the terminal speed this solar sail could reach and cruise at for the majority of the journey, the subjective time of individual capsules may be considerably shorter, making the survival of these organisms more likely as well. I would LIVE to see a launch of some similar project to a confirmed dead world (like those protoplanetary discs) in my lifetime
Finally addressing Panspermia in an intelligent manner. Science and time will prove Panspermia is the most probable way life started on Earth and other planets. Alien life will look similar to humans and other life on Earth. To the naysayers, never say never. Best episode, yet. Thank you, Anton.
Never say never and never follow crude ideas.
@@holdinmuhl4959but you’re automatically assuming panspermia is without a doubt the explanation?
Thus you are saying never, to all the other options.
Panspermia, even if true, is not an answer to how life was started. Furthermore if true, life on other worlds wouldn't look like life here as it has had BILLIONS of years to diverge. Another point; we are quite close to the formation of the universe (13.8 bya) and Earth formed 4.5 billion years ago. You're proposing that life began and evolved somewhere else, somehow left it's own world, and traveled to our planet on just the first 10 billion years instead of simply evolving here? Occam's Razor ffs.
@@filonin2 Careful where you swing that thing -- I believe Occam accidentally sliced an artery and bled out.
@@filonin2, Top Astronomers Gather to Confront Possibility They Were Very Wrong About the Universe. That’s the latest headline I saw the other day. You have your opinion based on scientists who are claiming they are wrong, time and time, again. Your theory is only your theory. I have my theory and neither one is correct OR wrong. Time will bear out the truth. I’m just relieved that Anton finally addressed this theory, whether you care to believe it or not. Let the scientists keep rewriting the text books.
Given the apparent absence of intelligent life in the galaxy, one could argue we have a moral and ethical obligation to preserve and spread it.
Apparent, but we wouldn't be able to detect ourselves if we were a few light years away.
Also, radio waves are most likely not used by advanced civilizations.
Mailman here working looooong hours love these videos just need em to be 1-2 hours long lol 😂
mailman delivering pansperima to all the worlds
ive always thought about this question thanks for the video anton
Pretty sure rocking up to any planet with an atmosphere and in habitable zone and flushing the septic tank would do the trick. Getting there is the hard part.
Worked for Earth. Lol 👽
Probably the only notable achievement we will ever pull off. SEND IT!!
It would be among humanity's greatest ethical achievements if we can withhold ourselves from any such endeavors actually, so you have it completely wrong.
@@eternisedDragon7 There is nothing great or ethical about allowing life on earth to eventually burn up in the sun just as there is nothing great about suicide.
What are you saying?
Send the colony ships now!!
It's either *US* or the *BUGS!*
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*Desire to know more intensifies*
If Denise Richards is the baseline, I'm in!
Ender’s Game reference?
@@goldenwarrior1186 starship troopers
Edit - I was totally picturing the Formics in my head when I was typing. 🐜
For Democracy!
Depends on the life we spread and what life is already present. There are arguments to be made for suberting extremely simple life and working towards preserving that life on a less hospitable planet.
Yes.
Life is precious to only exist in earth. Even simple life.
Precious and temporary. Life is an energy dissipation interval. The more complex, the shorter the time the necessary contingencies required to support it will exist.
@@coweatsman Very well put. 👍
Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from forming on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding uninhabited habitable worlds precludes native species ever springing into being there. What we *should* do is terraform uninhabit*able* worlds and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from forming on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding uninhabited habitable worlds precludes native species ever springing into being there. What we *should* do is terraform uninhabit*able* worlds and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
If you seed an inhabited world, you risk harming the native species. If you seed a *yet* uninhabited world or nebula that is or may get habitable, you destroy the chances of new, original life ever forming there. Hence, seeding objects that are or are likely to become habitable would be a grave crime worthy only of a virus-minded species.
Just like the history of life on early Earth, most things didn't survive so I think we should seed other planets and moons to try and create new celestial bodies for us to live on down the road.
In this case it'd be preferable to first for a long time solely create more celestial bodies closely and safely orbiting earth.
I'm kinda meh on this idea. It doesn't really matter if our version of "life" continues on elsewhere, it is primarily our civilization and society that we treasure. On balance, I would be for this, if only because if we _are_ able to keep our society (in whatever form it might have taken over the years) for millions of years, it might give us someone to meet in our far future.
if Fermi were the Dalai Lama, he might say, "Be the life that you want to find in the Universe."
No, I value life FAR more than our civilization or society. We are merely a tool to spread life. Genitals, if you will.
For sure you don't have pets
I will have always considered it a possibility that a very advanced civilization realizes that it's difficult for life to start, so they decided to seed the Galaxy with something that would be capable of development, such as for example of virus or bacteria. This would give anything a head start as soon as the conditions were viable.
And you are wrong about it, because it is proven that ethically mature civilizations would never do that.
@@eternisedDragon7 How do you prove what the ethical system would be of a hypothetical civilization. This is nonesense.
or... that advanced civilization will actually be us, inhabitants of planet Earth.
@@eternisedDragon7you have no refuting points? Just “your wrong I’m right”? Yeah okay…
@@junodeer Of course I have them. Just check out the other comment responses I put up in this comment section to find them.
Thank you, Anton.
Follow the prime directive.
"Be fruitful and multiply" : not only we should, but this is our mission to expand life and conciousness across the universe, starting by our solar system, then our galaxy.
“The meek shall inherit the universe.” ~ Orange Catholic Bible
It is our responsibility to spread life. It is such a narrow widow. Water Bears for all!
No it isn't if it would only dominantly add to the suffering that is ever experienced. Creating hells by recklessly playing god is an atrocity beyond good and evil and an irredeemable crime, and that is what wild animals' horrible living conditions would factually be like. All animals need energy to live and this requires work and species in an arms race to the bottom are forced to work harder and harder or they die out, so ultimately it steers towards dominance of pain in wild biospheres.
@@eternisedDragon7 It's a gift that needs to be shared. Individually life is pain but useless without consciousness.I love life, most I know do as well. Give life a chance because, like I said, the window is small.
@@Mr-Neven An extensive amount of natural suffering has been described as an unavoidable consequence of Darwinian evolution and the pervasiveness of reproductive strategies which favor producing large numbers of offspring, with a low amount of parental care and of which only a small number survive to adulthood, the rest dying in painful ways, has led some to argue that suffering dominates happiness in nature.
@@eternisedDragon7 I am glad we all have our own perception of the universe. BTW large mammals normally don't have a lot of offspring and a also have short fertility timescales. I also don't feel that being prayed upon is suffering. Circle of Life is beautiful to me.
15:54 = Sleepy Smile. :)
Humans need to realise that our behaviour is nature. Therefore, scientific discovery in all fields is nature. We tend to think we "interfere" with nature... but we only are nature. We shouldn't distance ourselves from it because we think we're above it. I hope we have the humility to accept ourselves fully as nature.
I also adopt this stance.
Agreed! The distinction between natural and artificial only exists in our minds. In reality everything is natural.
@laurensdorival235 Artificial is nature, too. Everything you can think of is all nature.
We’re OF nature. Saying “fully as nature” would infer we couldn’t see beyond it. But humans(some more than others) are very capable abstract thinkers. We modify, extend, or regulate natural phenomena into something artificial. Meaning our technology/art is produced creatively.
Goddamn, Anton! Now you need to make a video about the japanese ocean drilling finds. Sounds super interesting!
I was just talking about this. Yes we should seed life as best we can. In the hopes it will evolve and prosper. We are obligated to as an intelligent species and the only life we found so far.
Bio-ethicist Asher Soryl knows better and would disagree vehemently with you about this.
Yes. Unequivocally. How do we know we ourselves are not a product of such a practice. Complex life and even more so, sentient life is exceedingly rare.
To use valuation of something solely based on its rarity as basis for moral reasoning is axiomatically flawed. The biblical hell is even more rare but that doesn't mean we should create examples in its image in the real world. Besides this, such an argument about rarity defeats itself as soon as life had become normal or abundant and lose the rarity argument or may even have to become rarer again.
Unequivocally 🤨? Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from arising on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding objects that are or may become habitable precludes native species ever springing into being there.
What we *should* do is terraform worlds that neither are nor have a significant chance to become habitable, and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
Unequivocally 🤨? Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from arising on habitable worlds.
We are alive here today only because our of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early being free from extraterrestrial seeds.
All life on other planets should be adapted to service us.
I think we could use it as a way to terraform other planets, but we should start with planets in our own solar system first so we can directly observe the effects.
I think we need to sort ourselves out before spreading life around
We are obligated to spread life, imo
edit:(some of you should rethink your own relationship with nature, humans are not evil)
Absolutely, question is only in what way, how much, and leaving a few worlds empty, just for the reason of diversifying where life exitsts. It is disturbing we still haven't found actual sign of life anywhere else. This is a major threat to us and life in general considering how much and how long it went into making US.
I think the meaning of life is literally 'spread it around'
No
We should send rouches the species can survive almost everywhere
No we're not
It'd be unethical not to, especially if we can. There's very little risk of a body being inhabited when we get there. We should try to seed every body with some suitable type of life, or self replicating robots with some inbuilt capacity to change
Some intelligent aliens 4 billion years ago:
This was exactly what I was thinking after watching an old video of yours about Fermi's paradox
I believe we should, as soon as it's practical to do so. Moreover, I think it's our duty to do so.
If we can't go everywhere ourselves yet , then we owe it to Darwinian natural selection that has been ongoing here for millions of years - to send successful representatives of evolution here on Earth.
You never know, it might even turn out that it's our purpose to do so. To send our most successful, the strongest and the fittest.
Thats what I was thinking. I strongly agree, we are obliged to do everything in our capacity to increase the survival chance of the great gift that is life. Just for the reason that it would be a waste & shame if it were to go extinct, and there wouldn't be anything or anyone around anymore to experience and admire the beauty that is the universe we are part of. Personally, I wasn't raised religiously so this isn't the motivation for me, but I do think that a great multimillenial life-spreading project could be the next thing that brings humankind together spiritually, in a similar way the building of the pyramids or cathedrals did before our time. And although Im no Christian, honestly, "go hither and multiply" truely seems like a purpose of ours on a deep level that should maybe be taken to the next step, as we, human caretakers of the world spread all life (so explicitly NOT just spread humankind with its extractive and exploitative nature) to other planets, not for our own benefit but for the preservation of that life itself, in all of its forms. So no matter which way you view this, whether you're agnostic (like I), spiritual, Christian or other, in my view all moral arguments point into the directrion that we have a duty to spread life to other planets and star systems.
@@thomasdam9916 thank you Thomas and I read and understand your reply.
It seems to me to be a no brainer. It's harsh out there, there is an enormous amount of vacant real estate. We are just a small gear in an enormous machine. We should send everything we can in every direction as soon as possible. I wouldn't even bother picking and choosing what exactly because I think we would be a really poor judge of what would have the most chance of success.
They would be Earthlings, nonetheless.
It's not an ethical issue. Go for it!
I'm sorry but you couldn't possibly have been more wrong about that.
Not only we SHOULD, I think it is a moral obligation to spread life. Earth life, so that it can evolve further and perhaps create more conscienceness around the galaxy. It would be such a waste if life ended on our planet.
Nobody, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from forming on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding uninhabited habitable worlds precludes native species ever springing into being there. What we *should* do is terraform uninhabit*able* worlds and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
If you seed an inhabited world, you risk harming the native species. If you seed a *yet* uninhabited world or nebula that is or may get habitable, you destroy the chances of new, original life ever forming there. Hence, seeding objects that are or are likely to become habitable would be a grave crime worthy only of a virus-minded species.
Moral obligation! 🤦
No one, human or non-human, has the right to destroy existing ecosystems or prevent new, original life from forming on habitable worlds. We are alive here today only because our 🌳 of life had the chance to spring into existence thanks to early 🌎 being free from extraterrestrial seeds. Seeding inhabited worlds can destroy the native species, and seeding uninhabited habitable worlds precludes native species ever springing into being there. What we *should* do is terraform uninhabit*able* worlds and seed them with life. After all, letting our 🌳 of life die with the 🌞 is pretty much the most unethical thing we could do.
I believe we should, if only to get more minds together on how to save the universe.. or rather just keep it going and reverse entropy so life can continue having fun forever.
No, if you want more minds, we should instead work on creating genetically artificially modified humanly intelligent octopuses to have a larger collection of brains to solve problems and to have far more effective care-takers of our oceanic biosphere and possibly that within ice-moons or nearby water world planets eventually.
No. We are far from the technology to even accurately gauge if a planet has life, thus we have no right or business spreading random life to other places disrupting it. We find life in new unexpected places on Earth still ALL THE TIME. We are hundreds perhaps thousands of years from doing so on other planets appropriately.
Completely agree!
So do I. 👍
I strongly disagree. Biospheres are easily detected.And if the only life is bacterial, it isn't worth preservation. Plus a biosphere wouldn't necessarily destroy alien bacteria, they might end up thriving instead. I saw we should terraform every single baren body out there. any pre existing biospheres should be carefully studdied with dna being kept of every single alien creature just in case we do accidentally whipe out a species.
@dragnothlecoona Not worth preserving?! *We* evolved from bacteria and archaea, so if some 👽 had thought that way 3 bya, we wouldn't be here today.
@@dragnothlecoona *All* biospheres are worth preserving pristine, as are environments in which original life may arise in the future.
I say we should spread life to other worlds. For if we are alone, why should we be the first and last to think and be
And I know of superior arguments for why we must not do such.
It's not like the universe is hurting for space. Humanity spreading life will likely only affect our galaxy ever. Let's just try it and see if it can work. If it does, it vastly opens up the possibility of cultivating radically different organisms that could help humanity or other sapient life in the future.
No let's not at all ever try such gruesome crime.
@@eternisedDragon7 crime implies a victim? Having failed to anthropomorphize a victim, I see no reason why we shouldn't go out there and get everything dirty so to speak.
For instance, I would not feel the least bit guilty introducing earth bacteria or even tardigrades to Mars for example, the planet is proven dead. There is no life there and fossils do not want sympathy. If we find macrobiology beneath the ice of Saturn's moons, a case could be made for isolation and preservation. Microbiology might warrant an extended study, but eventually, we will need the water as we expand. I do not weep for the 99.9% who die when I wash my hands.
If we encounter intelligent life out there in the galaxy, I am still in favor of reaching out and meeting them. The dark forest theory can get ****ed, I am not afraid to do the work necessary to make friends.
@eternisedDragon7 how is it a crime? Bacteria can't feel anyways!
@@nicefloweytheoverseer7632 Guess what bacteria over millions of years evolve into in evolution.
If the dark forest theory is true regarding other sentient life in the universe, then it's a safer bet to get on as many planets as we can.
If we visit them, we will be altering them in some way anyway.
You can find my refutation of the dark forest hypothesis in the Talk page of the Fermi Paradox Wikipedia page, and while you're at it, you may as well find out why it's a bad idea to get to as many planets as we can.
Are you kidding. We cannot resist the urge to spread life. That is in our very DNA.
Really? Is there a secret code?
I "spread life" at least twice a week, gotta keep the pipes clean
@@holdinmuhl4959well the life that doesn't spread kinda, doesn't spread..
It just sits there and eventually goes extinct.
The fact that we are still here means we are coded to spread.
I can, and you have an immoral standpoint on the matter if you're for it.
It's not in my DNA.
I hope we can develop to the point where we have this option and then go for it.
Be careful what you wish for.
Planets that have no life but can support life, yes. 😊
That depends on what you consider life and what kind of biodiversity you're talking about. A planet with nothing but bacteria? Seed away! A planet with a biosphere that is likely to fail due to low biodiversity? I'd say add species that can adapt and bolster it.
@@francois853 I'm not seeding a world with bacterial life. Are you insane? You'd blow up the perfect opportunity to witness evolution without the impact of human intervention. You'd alter the course of evolution for the native biology. It's poor form.
I've always wanted a programme of sending piles of random organic gunk to other planets. Just like buckets of wet mud, full of bacteria and microorganisms or whatever. Just to see if anything happens.
For all we know, that might be all it takes to terraform another world. That and time, I guess.
It would contaminate our search for other life.
Not if we know specifically where we seed
But... who cares? If life on another planet is not more than a bacterial mat, which would take billions of years to evolve with a close to zero probability, why not use it for something more advanced and reliable?
Eh, yes and no. It’s really hard to know.
As a life form I’m biased to make more of myself. So yes.
And as philosopher king I'm biased towards the moral truth, so no.
Ethics should be secondary when its a matter of survival. Life should spread to other planets and if planet Earth can have a hand on that, it would be an honor and a service for life itself.
Whether life should spread to other planets is a question of ethics.
What is ethic? Can we really base any decision on something that has such a different meaning, depending on who defines it.
@@CjqNslXUcMSpreading life to other planets is objectively the most ethical thing we could do. It’s our obligation as DNA. Get real.
Agreed a hundredfold. Space is less lonely when it has company.
@@RISKS_V You can't derive an ethical position from a descriptive fact. That's a category error. The fact that living organisms try to procreate in no way morally obliges anyone to procreate.
We have no choice -- we will and must do this if we accept the need for change and evolution over time
And because we will have reached ethical maturity, we will abandon such projects entirely because nothing good can come from them.
we are nowhere near in our understanding of biology to take on such responsibility and risk
how so?
What is the risk? A few germs get hit by an asteroid?
@@pauloakes6952 The Earth life destroys all existing life on the target planet, as mentioned in the video you commented on.
@@filonin2 That's kind of the point we're terraforming the host planet for our needs
@@JcoleMc No, not even remotely the point. As Anton mentions a few times, the thought experiment is almost entirely about the preservation and proliferation of life.
And with that goal in mind, you can see the problem. If there is a chance your mission exterminates indigenous, novel, alien life, then you've really screwed up.
I think we should spread life through our galaxy, especially that it seems the rare earth hypothesis is most likely answer to Fermi paradox. Instead of questioning if we can afford killing some basic life forms if rare earth hypothesis is wrong, we should ask ourselfes if we can risk losing posibly most resiliant and genetically andvanced life in our galaxy if this hipothesis is right.
But certainly you agree with me that we should at least wait 1 billion years on earth before doing any of that.
@@eternisedDragon7 We should not rush it, but we should have a plan at all times. You know, doom always lurks just around the corner, maybe not for all life on earth, but certainly for humanity.
A sterile universe benefits nobody.
Except all the wild animals that then don't have to be mercilessly and helplessly be subjected to exo-biospheres in gruesome survival of the fittest conditions.
@@eternisedDragon7 everything you see and touch is a product of natural selection. There is no right and wrong when it comes to self preservation.
It would be wise to say that a lack of self preservation is a genetic defect that is naturally corrected by itself. There is not point in sparing foreign life that doesnt benefit us. It wouldnt spare us.
@@eternisedDragon7 what are you even talking about?
A universe doesn't have to benefit anything at all
@@charlieinslidell its more fun with life tho. plus intelligent life can do some wild stuff so the universe could benefit in a way.
what should be really done first before answering your issue -- answering of what is life from the point of physics. better understanding of life will help with this)
Yeeeeeah… let’s get seeding!!! Grab some trowels, people!! We’re goin growin! 🌱 🤣
The movie Last and First Men 2020 is a fun meditative piece of art that some of you might enjoy. I came for the music and feel in love with the intriguing scifi story. It was composed and directed by the late Icelandic composer Jóhann Jóhannsson.
Lets DO IT!! I don't even care, humans are known for being a chaotic element in the universe, if anything. Lets spread the love!
Honestly yeah. Big supporter of this; If nothing else was living there, then why not give life a chance?
@@brickch4pel NO! It's a crime, you fools! Check out the wild animal suffering Wikipedia page and educate yourselves before risking instigating people towards astronomical scale crimes.
Yup, our seeds were planted on this planet long ago and the alien farmers will soon be back to harvest their crop!
Ha Ha
The reapers are coming to harvest the organics
Just like they did with the Dinosaurs.
@@ddrowdy2 Yup, crop rotation.
damn yall
YES!!!!
I've been saying for years that if we determine that a planet (or moon) does not have detectable life, we need to put it there. Unleash the water bears!!!
We humans have the choice between three roles we can play in earth‘s ecosystem:
1) A decease that threatens to kill much of life and takes ages to recover
2) A minor parasite like a flea: annoying but not life threatening.
3) The seed that spreads life beyond the boundaries of this planet.
Only in the last case we pay our debts to nature. Life is willing to suffer damage for successful procreation. We can give something that is worth equal or more than the damage we already have done.
If you seed an inhabited world, you risk harming the native species. If you seed a *yet* uninhabited world or nebula that is or may get habitable, you destroy the chances of new, original life arising there. Hence, seeding objects that are or are likely to become habitable would be a grave crime worthy only of a virus-minded species.
What a high-minded civilization would do instead is make habitable an object that neither is nor is likely to become habitable on its own. It would then seed some of these artificially habitable objects with life and leave others free so that new life can arise there by itself. This is what we should do, too ... if we can, that is.
If you seed an inhabited world, you risk harming the native species. If you seed a *yet* uninhabited world or nebula that is or may get habitable, you destroy the chances of new, original life arising there. Hence, seeding objects that are or are likely to become habitable would be very unethical.
If you seed an inhabited world, you risk harming the native species. If you seed a *yet* uninhabited world or nebula that is or may get habitable, you destroy the chances of new, original life arising there.
Hence, seeding objects that are or are likely to become habitable would be a grave crime worthy only of a virus-minded species.
while i don’t think we should spread life to other planets (or at least mitigate it in our exploration) because if there are extraterrestrial ecosystems capable of sustaining earth life we could potentially wreck mass havoc on those ecosystems. we’d be no better than the antagonists in our alien invasion scifi stories.
plus we need to focus on conserving and saving our own ecosystems before we even think about sending life to other worlds
there was an episode in stargate sg-1 about this kind of interaction, an episode called scorched earth. the Gadmeer civilization sent a terraforming and seed ship that was advanced enough to create an AI hologram to interact with the people and negotiate and arrangement to move the Enkaran people to the home world they were separated from, before they would be destroyed from the aggressive terraforming for a sulfur based life form. when the Gadmeer first scanned the planet for potential terraforming there were no life forms on the planet, the only way to know is to do another scan when they get there. not all sci fi stories have bad endings, but it is fiction after all
Did you know that NASA in the near future plans to risk exactly such extreme interference with their so-called SWIM mission to (with likely contaminated probes) dive into an ice-moon's ocean and have the mother-probe open up and spread many more (quite plausibly with microbes contaminated) probes in it?
@@ivanjakanov it’s a cool concept, i don’t think our society would be so kind as to take all those precautions for already existing life
Yes. Send all current politicians,celebrities and influencers. I'm even willing to contribute financially.
Why not? 👍 Life forms have come to this planet since it's beginning. We're all interconnected.
I think it would be unethical NOT to try. No one says we have to fire the capsules blind and they would probably be sent towards suitable candidates without biosignatures. I doubt this will happen on a large scale without a functional industry in space. And we would be able to build massive telescopes in large numbers at that point to check first.
What if I told you that I know that it instead actually would be highly ethical not to try, and even among the highest ethical things of all decisions.
@@eternisedDragon7 I would take a hit of whatever you are having and go 'That's just like. Your opinion man'.
There are two kinds of people. Those who see ethical problems in bringing earth life to worlds that may already have life...and those who have no problem in invading territory on their own planet, whether it's inhabited or not.
It's not really that.. it's simply the case that life will find a way to spread. Life that doesn't spread doesn't stay life for long.
3 kinds actually: Those that understand that the creation of wild biospheres dominantly produces unutterable extents of misery and ought not to happen ever.
@@eternisedDragon7 you should stop breathing biosphere, perhaps? Giga lib
@@eternisedDragon7 quitter's talk
I think we need to first better understand the very first life on earth and how life can form overall, as I do not think sending organisms would be viable because of the whole interstellar journey combined with the possibility of significant changes to the destination planet while en route. However sending a catalyst of sorts, something that with enough understanding we believe should allow the first organisms to form would be the way to go. This way any life that evolves there evolves in a way that would be endemic to that planet, as evolution tailors life for that planet. I think that would be more likely to succeed, especially if widely distributed and again, specific to what is known to be on the destination that could support life, though not necessarily life from earth.
Just because we could, doesn't mean we should.
Let the planets form on their own, in their own way.
what if there are planets that can host life but not create it? the solar system is 4,5 Billion years old, has had 3 habitable planets at one point, not to mention the countless icy moons that can house subsurface oceans. none of these have had life, as far as we know. what if the only limiting factor is pure chance? why should we not just seed life there? otherwise they're just dead rocks...
WTF? What kind of hippism is that?
Didn't you watch Starship Troopers? Do you *WANT* arachnids from Klendathu to nuke Buenos Aires?
So I take it you live in a natural cave?
@@vapormissile if they try, we just introduce them to some democracy and freedom
Yes! The imperative for Earth life has been grow, expand to favorable environments, and reproduce. In a new environment, our life would compete with the adapted local life. The only advantage might be having more highly evolved abilities, like photosynthesis, which may benefit local life by increasing the food supply.
Great video, as always! But I have to be honest, I absolutely cackled like a hyena when the "made in China" joke came out. Oh my god. 😂😂😂
No! We should not knowingly spread life to other planets, But there's a strong possibility, we already have
He's not even considering the solar system as they are all dead rocks and we will inevitably cover them in our life to the fullest extent possible.
Why not? How is it more moral to not spread life into the universe?
I believe this is our purpose
No, you are completely wrong. It'd be a horrendous crime, and I have proof of it.
No your genes arent that important to the universe
I don't understand why people believe things that are definitely not true, just because there's a "possibility".
@@dennisestenson7820 I don't understand why people believe things are impossible, when there is a possibility.
it's what humans and all other lifeforms do. humans specifically find beauty in it, purpose. we understand it even more than the other animals. to continue the self-replicating cycle.
Humanity should not pollute space.
You call it pollution, I call it population, let's just shake hands and meet at colonization.
Movie suggestion:
Humans seeded Kepler 452-B billions of years ago by sending a small drone. Humans died out from civil war. Keplerites developed into an advance civilization. They sent a seeding drone to a small blue marble in the nearby cosmos. Keplerites wiped out by civil war. Humans evolved and currently question whether they should seed a potential Earth 2.0….. 🤔🤔
If we cannot live sustainably on Earth, there's no future for us in space. First things first!
"The current magma energy project is assessing the engineering feasibility of extracting thermal energy directly from crustal magma bodies. The estimated size of the U.S. resource (50,000 to 500,000 quads) suggests a considerable potential impact on future power generation. In a previous seven-year study, we concluded that there are no insurmountable barriers that would invalidate the magma energy concept." (Nasa/Sandia Labs, 1982.)
p.s. Global energy demand today is approx 600 quads, projected to rise to 900 quads over the next 30 years. (IEA, 2020.)
Hurling some genetically engineered fungus at Mars seems like an act of desperation! Some sort of memorial. If our legacy isn't securing the existence of life on earth, count me out!
Well said
It is a fact that the Earth will be destroyed. Sending something out while we have enough of a civilization to do so is mandatory
@@warlok363 No, it's our obligation to ensure that it doesn't happen.
@@eternisedDragon7 the sun is going to boil the oceans in a billion years
@@warlok363 You see, I've studied astrophysics and cosmology for years and knew this already, and yet my opinion is correct nonetheless. We cannot travel away anyway and even if we could, we shouldn't do so because of the microbial contamination that comes with it and outlasts us there as well and constitutes yet another microbial interplanetary contamination source risking unprecedented extents of suffering for octillions of animals if it triggered exo-biospheres.
As far as we've come since civilization started 10,000 years ago, and the fact that the more we learn the faster we learn, we'd probably figure most of this out given 300,000,000 years more.
You could ship my Ex wives to other planets. I'm not sure that could be considered "intelligent life."
How many? There might be a deeper problem afloat
You will die alone
We're gonna need a bigger shuttle
Send mine as well. It's a long trip, the poor woman will need someone to talk to
hey man, you're the one who chose to marry each of them so are they really the problem😂
There’s one thing common to your ex wives you seem to be missing. Perhaps they are not the problem.
thanks for the discussion anton
it really is something for the planetary governments to decide along with other ideas like the rights of other sentients: alien; mutant/genetic; synthentic, and ai
The answer is: NO!
Don't like humans?
Great video