So here's the thing, frequent exposure to anything above 85db is considered likely to cause significant hearing loss over time, I think we all agree on that. These products are designed to reduce sound volumes to keep them below 85db. So why then would any company add an feature that would likely cause you to play music through them at volumes that would take the noise level over 85db? That would entirely defeat the purpose of the ear defender aspect of the product and probably open them up for being sued in a few years time when all of our hearing is shot.
As explained in the video - these volume limiters are not intelligent - they don't know the volume of the audio source. Therefore limiting it creates an issue where it is too quiet. I have plenty of other headphones that don't have this issue, therefore it's the choice of the manufacturer. If they want to play if safe that's fine, but it makes for a product that is useless
Hi Keith - We’re sorry to hear you weren’t completely satisfied with the LINK 2.0. As a small family owned company, we strive to do things differently than bigger companies - we take customers' feedback to heart and do everything we can to improve. While we understand we can’t satisfy everyone, especially when safety must always be a top priority with our designs - we are continually updating and expanding our product offering based on feedback. We will be passing along your thoughts to our in-house engineer and hope you consider giving our other products a shot in the future.
I have some feedback, isotunes, don't give me 10% off through a TH-camrs link then charge me for postage so k only end up saving a couple of pound, that's just sneaky marketing. I immediately left your store and bought the 3M version instead
@@ISOtunesAudio That's the problem, if you want to buy a pair of Isotunes LINK, they cost £89.99. You get 10% off from a youtube discount code, takes you to £81, at which point the shipping is added back on so you pay £86, making the discount fairly pointless. I feel the shipping should be free regardless for a product in that price range. Thanks, I hope you take it on board !
Get rid of the stupid volume limit function!!! Nobody wants it. We’re all workers and half deaf already. If we can’t get the volume we need then the product is useless and we end up wearing the loudest earbuds we have and damaging our hearing worse.
I recently bought some ISOtunes AIR DEFENDERs and very highly recommend them. 10/10 all round, comfort, sound quality, noise reduction, can't fault them. Excellent videos as always.
Great review. I’ve had my Stihls for a couple of years now, dropped them a few times & they Stihl work perfectly and the battery life is Stihl unbelievable! 😐
I have exactly the same issue with my Isotunes Bluetooth in ear headphones. They simply aren’t loud enough to listen to things clearly, especially podcasts and spoken word which is what I want to listen to mostly when sanding. Thanks for the review. The charging situation would make me think twice about the stihl as I already have enough charging cables in the workshop! Great video as always. 👍
The Stihl power connection seems to be something like a 2.1mm barrel power plug. It is very common and easy enough to buy the part from your local electronic component store (like Jaycar in Australia).
Thanks for this! With all the hype I was seeing from woodworkers & such, I recently got the ISOtunes Pro 2.0, (their little earbuds) and am very disappointed with them. Sound quality is also lacking and the volume needs to "go to 11". They turn themselves off randomly (oddly, at the end of songs - go figure), and a coworker said the microphone is a 4 out of 10 while quietly in my office. I'll be looking into the Stihl set :)
Good review, Keith! I have the IsoTunes, used them a couple of times. I had noticed the volume issue, but I can't say that the sound quality also sprung to my attention. I'll listen extra carefully next time I'll be wearing them in my shop!
Hi Keith, I've just bought two pairs of these for me and my apprentice. It was your video and the fact that every other brand has awful micro USB ports that swayed me. These are brilliant, I would never have known if it wasn't for you. Thankyou. Ben BNM Carpentry 👍👍
First of all Keith I love the channel. Personally ear defenders should reduce noise and not produce noise. I find music and calls distracting when I am operating machinery. Put the radio on which you can listen to when not operating potentially dangerous machines 👍
Everyone is different. Music helps me concentrate better, and podcasts entertain me while doing boring monotonous jobs. And if I play music via a speaker in my videos people complain that the music is annoying!
I personally use the iso tunes I got them recently and I’ve never had a problem and I have not had any problems with them not being loud enough I listen to stuff in about medium volume while running commercial lawnmowers and can hear everything perfectly fine and maybe I’m just not as particular but the audio quality seemed very good to me
I have the Isotunes Link, I think the previous version. Sound quality is great for me but more importantly the sound infiltration is excellent, I cannot hear a thing when they're on and I work with industrial machinery....so probably quite dangerous to not hear anything then 🤣🤣👍
I've had the stihl dynamic bt's for four years and thought they were brilliant. The wiring recently started cutting in and out so I purchased the isotunes link 2.0, in my opinion the isotunes are miles better. They fit better, they create a better seal around the ear the block more noise and the Bluetooth feature is slicker.
@@RagnBoneBrown well, if you're working in a noisy environment, how much difference in sound quality will you notice? I personally haven't noticed any but, I don't concentrate too much on it because I'm Working. My overall opinion is that they are superior to the dynamic bt's having experienced them for years before switching. Its important to get user opinions in comments to help others make decisions.
I use a pair of Anker soundcore noise cancelling headphones in the garage. At roughly £50 they are cheap enough to be chucked about but still sound nearly as good as my Bose versions.
I had problem with a set of IsoTunes earbuds. They kept dropping out. I returned them for a refund. I then bought a pair of the Stihl headphones and they work great for me. They work great in the workshop.
Thanks for this Keith. Must admit I have the over ear green link Aware older versions and love them. I wonder if the smart noise cancelling has anything to do with it? They do hurt the top of my head after extended periods, but looks like the band has been upgraded in yours. Solid review buddy 👍👍
Interesting video, and I have to agree with you about the ISOtunes defenders... but for different reasons. I've had the Link 2.0s for about a year now and I only use them when I absolutely have to because I find them actually painful to wear (I wish I'd returned them when I first bought them). The underside of the headband feels reasonably soft when you push the rubber strips back and forth, but when wearing the defenders the same rubber strips put an incredible amount of force directly downwards onto my head - with no give at all - and I can only wear them for very short periods of time, regardless of how much I try to adjust them. They even leave deep furrows across my scalp. Wearing a woolly hat (or a folded Buff) under the strap makes little difference and only adds about half an hour, if I'm lucky, before I have to take them off for the rest of the day. It's such a shame because otherwise I find them perfectly okay in terms of features and sound quality, although I do only listen to podcasts in the workshop.
You’ve got to try the new Isotunes air defenders. Night and day from the links for sound. Still quiet to conform with osha but the detail is wild, I’m almost thinking HiFi levels. You wont be bumping in the defenders but you will be immersed, hearing it the way it was recorded. I was very very surprised as I am in full agreement with your review of the links.
Agree the air defenders a great addition to the workshop, far more comfortable than the in ear versions for wearing over long periods. It just took ages for mine to be delivered as iso tunes had supply issues took weeks. I’m more than happy with them.
Thanks for sharing! I did look at both of these a while back, but was a bit shocked at the hefty price tag. Even now, the Stihl headphones are just over £100. I tend to listen to Audiobooks when I'm plodding away, so the low volume issue with the IsoTunes would definitely be a dealbreaker. I don't consider myself an audiophile, but I've been using JBL noise-cancelling headphones for all but the loudest work - sanding, table saw and the like - where I switch to 3M ear defenders, so would probably not be all that excited about decidedly below average sound quality. 👍
@6:52 I believe the sound is limited by design to protect your hearing. I don't know Isotunes, but I heard that from a number of people and it makes sense. People jack up music to overcome ambient noise, and don't realize it's damaging the hearing. I wouldn't think a limiter design is in play since a recording with low RMS/LUFS/dB still should be able to go up to the limiter, no? Finally, you actually didn't review how well it protects your hearing. I could have missed it, but I don't recall how well it does at protecting your hearing.
They're both comparable with ratings of 29 and 30 snr
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Hi Keith, I have to agree I was given a pair of the Isotunes for my birthday and for me I much prefer the Hellberg Xstream ones I have had for awhile, The Hellberg version may not have all the features of the link 2 but for me its a more superior built product.
Cheers Pablo! No I haven't but I enjoy John Heisz' videos on the subject. I don't think I know anywhere near enough technical stuff to be good at making speaker cabinets of anything. I did make a couple of instruments years ago though 👍
I’ve been looking out for this video since you mentioned it on the podcast - thank you and well done for making an honest review about a product you’ve been gifted! I’ve had the isotunes on my wish list for a while as a supposed “premium” option over cheaper unbranded items, so it’s good to hear this opinion - I won’t be getting the isotunes any longer. A product that fails in one of its two core purposes is not worth any amount of money. I do think that marking the isotunes so low for their older (but still “current”) USB connection is maybe a bit harsh. It’s still universal and most people are never far away from a micro-USB cable. I think I’ll wait and see if Stihl release a new version with USB charging though, as a proprietary connector like that would score 1/10 for me, as I don’t want to be searching around for a specific charging lead - in the meantime I’ll just keep using my in-ear wireless earphones under standard ear defenders!
I have the occasional BT issues with my BT hearing aids. Turning them on and off again solves that problem. Also, the BT range isn’t as good as the ear protection sets
As a musician this review helped sway me away from Isotunes as I want the best sound possible. Unfortunately the Stihl's aren't readily avail here in Vancouver and double the price in the states. Will look further. Thanks for the review!
I completely agree about the isotopes sound quality and comfort. I am returning them as all they are for me is ear protectors. They are good and comfortable at that but the bluetooth was unstable and the sound quality unusable. For $80 I expected MUCH better.
I have the Stihl pair they are robust but I find they are uncomfortable when wearing glasses, either safety specs or my normal ones. Perhaps it is the size of my head but the foam on the ear covers does not give at all and so pushes the arms of my glasses into my head. Stihl response to me raising my concern means I won’t be buying again, which is a pity as Stihl is one of my favourite brans.
Completely agree about the isotunes product. The volume is too low for much of what I listen to and was very disappointed. I ended up tossing them which was the same as flushing $80 down the toilet. I would never recommend isotunes as a result. In fact I would suggest people stay away from the product until they figure out how to correct the very poor audio quality.
That's a real shame! I agree, I'm sure they have had plenty of feedback about it already which surprises me as to why they didn't sort out the problem in the new version 🤦🏻♂️
I bought the same IsoTunes but had to return them because they made an awful suction effect on my ears. Ended up buying the 3M Worktunes instead. Bit lighter and more comfortable when working.
@@RagnBoneBrown Much better for me personally with the lighter weight. Less bulky but also feel less durable compared to a pair of non bluetooth STIHL Pros I wear for yard work. I paid less than $36 for the 3M so about less than half the price of the IsoTunes.
I have the same Isotunes one. 80% of the time I use them with an audiobook, maybe half volume on my iPhone. Never found a problem with the volume. When I do listen to music I can’t say I’ve had a problem with the quality either. I wonder if you got a bad pair.
Hi, i love your vidoes but i have the IsoTunes Link 2.0 and i think they are vey good. I also find that the audio is like most other bluetooth headphones. I would say IsoTunes Link 2.0 are 8/10.
I have the Stihl ear defenders. I got them a similar time to you Keith. In terms of your Stihl feedback mine would be very similar to you. Not the most comfortable head defenders I have ever worn but I have worn all day without an issue. I works for 3M for ten years Peltor most comfortable and best at blocking harmful sounds by far. I don’t have a Bluetooth version as they are very expensive The Stihl have amazing battery life and the sound is as you say acceptable but no where my Bose in terms of quality. I would buy the Stihl again for sure as they are good value for money when looking at the competition
@@dougsaunders8109 Ha ha Doug🤩I was interested in what Keith had to say about these, and read down and saw your comment 😀 Those Peltors have amazed me at how much more effective they are at noise reduction than anything else I've ever tried🙉
The IsoTunes Link 2.0 seem really odd, I'm hoping it's an issue with your pair. I've got the original versions and although the audio quality isn't amazing it's ok. I'd say it's only slightly worse than my Sennheiser PX100-II. As for volume, I've never really struggled with it, I've always been able to easily hear anything I'm listening to (pod casts, audio books, radio 2 etc.) even when cutting steel using my chop saw or using my DW745 table saw or angle grinder etc.. From the isotunes website they say the "SafeMax" limit is the same so I can only guess yours have a problem with them? Hopefully this gets isotunes to sort out either an inherent problem with the 2.0 version or improve their quality control a little :) (Oh and thanks for the video, it's always good to see others experience with this type of product)
Thanks, I spoke to Matt @ Badger Workshop who said the same, that the original ones were loud enough... I think they must have made the new ones quieter...?
@@RagnBoneBrown I can't remember from the pod cast whether Matt still has the originals or not? If he does could it be worth sending the 2.0 version to him to compare? I'd guess you won't be able to get enough content for another video but it'd be interesting :)
Bought Stihl based on your review, mine must be duds, they're back at the shop now but they doubt they'll do anything for me. I can't even hear over a table saw let alone chainsaw. I only wear them so I can hear the phone ring.
Sometimes called a barrel jack. Be warned that the centre pin can be a couple of different diameters, for the same given jack diameter. Give me a barrel jack any day over a flimsy USB Micro-B connector for anything that's designed for less than delicate use. It's probably 5.5mm with either a 2.1 or 2.5mm pin hole/inner diameter
I have the isotunes. The plastic stud that holds the metal headband on snapped off almost immediately-so flimsily made I drilled it out and added a sheet metal screw so I was able to fix it. The sound quality is not good I agree. I think the pads don’t go tight enough.
Almost didn't buy the Isotunes after this review, but did in the end after finding a deal on eBay. Tbh aside from the headband being a bit uncomfortable they're ace (and loud). If you can't hear them you've probably got hearing problems already
I've fitted all my ear defenders and phones and tablets with magnetic charging adapters so no matter what type of connector they are all using the same one now
100% I bought 2 different pairs of iso tunes products, the free’s and the extra 2.0’s after they’d been “recommended” on two well known TH-camrs, turned tv personalities….. both version were uncomfortable, too short a battery life, but most importantly too quiet for listening through, and completely useless as hearing protection…. Having perceived for several weeks in 2020 having contacted isotunes direct they recommended that I used them with “quieter tools” ( that was their official response!) I would give them “straight back”, or possibly “not the time of day in future” if I could even be bothered to make a review video of them. Utter 🐶💩 in my experience, better off with a £20 pair of skull candy headphones. I went back to my 3M’s and their radio powered by 2xAA’s
I also tried the ISOtunes range and found them to be rather disappointing. I agree with your feedback, but would add how uncomfortable they are during longer stints or when it is warm. I did also try the in-ear versions which I have to say are SO much worse than the over-ear versions. The sound quality was terrible, the noise cancellation was at times dangerous, the fit was bad and the controls useless. Such a shame, because I really wanted to like these products.
Had these 12 months and left earcup stopped working. They were very quiet from the start and luckily bought through Amazon so received a full refund. Will be looking for alternatives.
Having used my 3M worktunes every day for 2 years, they're giving up the ghost with the same problem everyone else reports (left ear cutting out due to unsubstantial connecting wire) I bought the equivalent priced 'Prohear' off Amazon and started the returns process a few seconds into trying them out - absolutely awful sound quality and very quiet (as well as feeling awfully cheap) The controls look similar to the ISOtunes so I wonder if the guts of the products come from the same factory? So I'll definitely count out the ISOtunes - what's the point in the product if it fails at one of it's primary functions. I wonder if anyone with any audio experience actually designs these products - or maybe folks have become too used to listening to music through phone or laptop speakers? I'm considering the Stihl's but I'm now wondering whether the 3M worktunes are actually very good compared to the rest - The sound and volume is pretty good (I listen to lots of classical music in the workshop which hasn't been heavily compressed or normalised - so the fact that I can enjoy a string quartet whilst running some heavy industrial equipment and extraction is actually quite impressive) I also like the fact they only have one button to control it with - it means you're not fumbling around trying to find the correct button if answering a phone call. Who even needs volume control on a headset itself - seems like a pointless function. Even if the 3M does only have a lifespan of 2 years, this averages out at pence per working day to own and run. Worth it if you actually enjoy music whilst working.
I've got the Isotunes Pro 2.0 in-ear headphones Keith and find them fine. They aren't as good as my Bose Noise Cancelling headphones but I think the audio is pretty good and haven't had an issue with the volume levels👍
Cheers Leo glad they work for you 👍 I'd like to try others in the range but suspect they won't want to send me anything else if they see this video, understandably
Blue tooth and Wi-Fi does lose signal sometimes and its normal not a fault and turning off and back on cures it usually nice comments on your behalf good food for thought
i use the isotunes aware. i don’t have any issues with quality, durability & battery lasts well. i’m unsure how you can make an assessment between 2 products when you’ve only had one for 2 weeks and used it once versus a product you’ve used for hours for months. maybe the issue is you don’t like isotunes due to the sound quality that you perceive to be lousy & this has tainted your view?
Yes that's exactly right, I thought that was clear in the video. if I listened to the IsoTunes for another 18 months, the result would be the same, they are too quiet and they sound bad!
The confusing part i don't get is that the isotunes link is their second iteration with it being deemed 2.0 and yet eventhough it has bigger battery life, there's no way to store music. Maybe 3.0 version?? Also include usb-c!!!!
I've had the 3M worktunes for around two years now. I was very happy with them up till recently when I started losing audio in the left muff. I opened them up to see if there was a loose connection on the left hand side. All looked good which is strange because when I wiggle the wire that goes in the left muff around the audio comes and goes. There's no damage evident on the exposed part of the cable either. I'm looking at buying myself a new set, but what one's to buy, 🤔🤔
Hi, I have Stihl Dynamic BT - and the only issue with my unit is the charging diode shows full immediately after connecting to charger, but I just learned that I need to charge for few hours... Probably some glitch... Does anyone have same problem?
They both work great as ear defenders alone. I meant to put a bit in the video about it but must have trimmed it while editing! They are comparable, one of them is rated 30snr and the other 29snr 👍
Keith, a quick question on the stihl ones as cant seem to find an answer online. Can the earphones be detached from the headhand on these? Wanting to use on brushcutter/forestry helmet for work so have face protection. I know stihl do an adapter for my style of helmet but seem to be for the version thats got the mount already. These are the cheaper ones than the helmet versions and i would still need the adapter bit anyhow! 🤣🤣 so wondering if can actually get away with these instead! Thanks and hopefully you reply!
Bought a set of the Isotunes free bluetooth headphones, complete waste of money, should have returned them. Too quiet to hear anything when working, can't believe that they offer any ear protection.
i have the iso tunes headset and was happy enough until the USB charging socket pushed inside the ear cover, and I wasn't pushing that hard, so have been using triple A batteries since, not a happy camper
I've had the 3M bluetooth connect for almost 2 years, I absolutely love them but the cables are damaged and I'm pretty sure soon enough they won't work anymore :( I don't know why but here in europe they're like 100€+, I bought them on the US amazon site and it was 60€ with all fees included at the time. I'm bummed about the cables because I love them. They work really well, the battery life is insane, they are comfortable in hot and cold weather, they would be pretty much perfect if it wasn't for those damn exposed cables :(
@@RagnBoneBrown Yeah, they're pretty thin and at the end the outer plastic sleeve is broken, which leaves the wires inside exposed. It's been like that for a few months and still works fine but I'm pretty sure they're not going to last me 5 years unfortunately. I don't feel like I've abused it either, it's always on a stand if it's not on my head. I have a pair of sennheiser HD 600 that are getting close to 10 years old so it's not like I'm a brute (I've replaced parts on the senns but still) with headphones.
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Just an FYI, I work at a Stihl dealership in the US. There is a part number for the charger port charging lead. 0000-889-8005 I've been wondering if you were going to do a review of these. Have a great day!
Love your channel. Word of warning. Please do some research, all Bluetooth headsets are the quickest way to get a brain tumour. I will not ever use them.
@@RagnBoneBrown in a world we live in that chainsaws need to have a safety warning "do not operate near crotch", I think common sense is not so common anymore
Despite the product lacking in most ways, the removable/replaceable lithium battery pack is a great feature. Most consumer electronics are just garbage after the lithium batteries start to age.
I agree, definitely a good feature. Saying that, I didn't particularly like the idea of prying out the connector via the cables, it worried me... I think it'd be good if they found a better way to connect the lithium ion battery
IMO if you are going to offer a comparison review on two product you should have taken the time to at least try out the communication quality on both models rather than just the one. It is a bit lazy and makes your review redundant. The ability to take phone calls is one of the biggest advantages to these products regardless if you are an introvert.
Not judging but I would never wear headphones in the workshop on a bike or in a car, I feel we need all our senses when We are in a potentially dangerous situation , but as I said not judging, everyone looks after thierself , sorry for any spelling mistakes
A valid point Ben, but yeah to me they sounded like headphones you'd buy in a corner shop.... I've never been good at describing sounds, I don't have the words.... The best I can do is cheap and nasty, almost like listening through a tin can
I have the ISOTunes Link Aware and find them to be very good with regards to volume, hearing protection, but most of all, the ability to hear speech and anything else in that sort of noise range without taking the ear defenders off. The music sound is also very good, but at the end of the day, they are for hearing protection and not high end cans. I use them when I'm using my planer and thicknesser, and when I'm strimming and on the mower and don't find these to have any issues with not hearing the music.
isotunes has been pushing their products quite aggressively on every youtuber so it's refreshing to hear an honest opinion. Much appreciated 👍
So here's the thing, frequent exposure to anything above 85db is considered likely to cause significant hearing loss over time, I think we all agree on that. These products are designed to reduce sound volumes to keep them below 85db. So why then would any company add an feature that would likely cause you to play music through them at volumes that would take the noise level over 85db? That would entirely defeat the purpose of the ear defender aspect of the product and probably open them up for being sued in a few years time when all of our hearing is shot.
As explained in the video - these volume limiters are not intelligent - they don't know the volume of the audio source. Therefore limiting it creates an issue where it is too quiet. I have plenty of other headphones that don't have this issue, therefore it's the choice of the manufacturer. If they want to play if safe that's fine, but it makes for a product that is useless
Hi Keith - We’re sorry to hear you weren’t completely satisfied with the LINK 2.0. As a small family owned company, we strive to do things differently than bigger companies - we take customers' feedback to heart and do everything we can to improve. While we understand we can’t satisfy everyone, especially when safety must always be a top priority with our designs - we are continually updating and expanding our product offering based on feedback. We will be passing along your thoughts to our in-house engineer and hope you consider giving our other products a shot in the future.
Thanks for letting me try them and for taking my gripes on board! 👍
I have some feedback, isotunes, don't give me 10% off through a TH-camrs link then charge me for postage so k only end up saving a couple of pound, that's just sneaky marketing. I immediately left your store and bought the 3M version instead
@@1punkmonkey We do offer free shipping for orders £89+, we're sorry to hear you did not find this satisfactory and appreciate the feedback.
@@ISOtunesAudio That's the problem, if you want to buy a pair of Isotunes LINK, they cost £89.99. You get 10% off from a youtube discount code, takes you to £81, at which point the shipping is added back on so you pay £86, making the discount fairly pointless. I feel the shipping should be free regardless for a product in that price range.
Thanks, I hope you take it on board !
Get rid of the stupid volume limit function!!! Nobody wants it. We’re all workers and half deaf already. If we can’t get the volume we need then the product is useless and we end up wearing the loudest earbuds we have and damaging our hearing worse.
I recently bought some ISOtunes AIR DEFENDERs and very highly recommend them. 10/10 all round, comfort, sound quality, noise reduction, can't fault them. Excellent videos as always.
Great review. I’ve had my Stihls for a couple of years now, dropped them a few times & they Stihl work perfectly and the battery life is Stihl unbelievable!
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I have exactly the same issue with my Isotunes Bluetooth in ear headphones. They simply aren’t loud enough to listen to things clearly, especially podcasts and spoken word which is what I want to listen to mostly when sanding. Thanks for the review. The charging situation would make me think twice about the stihl as I already have enough charging cables in the workshop! Great video as always. 👍
Thank you
The Stihl power connection seems to be something like a 2.1mm barrel power plug. It is very common and easy enough to buy the part from your local electronic component store (like Jaycar in Australia).
Thanks for this! With all the hype I was seeing from woodworkers & such, I recently got the ISOtunes Pro 2.0, (their little earbuds) and am very disappointed with them. Sound quality is also lacking and the volume needs to "go to 11". They turn themselves off randomly (oddly, at the end of songs - go figure), and a coworker said the microphone is a 4 out of 10 while quietly in my office. I'll be looking into the Stihl set :)
Good review, Keith!
I have the IsoTunes, used them a couple of times. I had noticed the volume issue, but I can't say that the sound quality also sprung to my attention. I'll listen extra carefully next time I'll be wearing them in my shop!
I don’t need to use ear defenders all that often…I said I DON’T NEED TO USE EAR DEFENDERS ALL THAT OFTEN! 😉😜
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Hi Keith, I've just bought two pairs of these for me and my apprentice. It was your video and the fact that every other brand has awful micro USB ports that swayed me.
These are brilliant, I would never have known if it wasn't for you.
Thankyou.
Ben BNM Carpentry 👍👍
First of all Keith I love the channel. Personally ear defenders should reduce noise and not produce noise. I find music and calls distracting when I am operating machinery. Put the radio on which you can listen to when not operating potentially dangerous machines 👍
Everyone is different. Music helps me concentrate better, and podcasts entertain me while doing boring monotonous jobs. And if I play music via a speaker in my videos people complain that the music is annoying!
I personally use the iso tunes I got them recently and I’ve never had a problem and I have not had any problems with them not being loud enough I listen to stuff in about medium volume while running commercial lawnmowers and can hear everything perfectly fine and maybe I’m just not as particular but the audio quality seemed very good to me
Do you have the original link or link 2.0? The 2.0 are a brand new product....
I have the original one
I would like to see a comparison between the iso tunes 1.0 and 2.0 and STIHL noise canceling headphones
This is perfect timing for me. I was looking at getting the isotunes but 2nd guessed after your last podcast! Think I know which I'll get now
Cheers Alex! There might be other, better options out there, obviously these are just the ones I've tried 👍
I have the Isotunes Link, I think the previous version. Sound quality is great for me but more importantly the sound infiltration is excellent, I cannot hear a thing when they're on and I work with industrial machinery....so probably quite dangerous to not hear anything then 🤣🤣👍
I compared the fit and sound quality of the noise cancelling Isotunes vs Sony, and picked the Sony by a long shot.
I've had the stihl dynamic bt's for four years and thought they were brilliant. The wiring recently started cutting in and out so I purchased the isotunes link 2.0, in my opinion the isotunes are miles better. They fit better, they create a better seal around the ear the block more noise and the Bluetooth feature is slicker.
No mention of sound quality?
@@RagnBoneBrown well, if you're working in a noisy environment, how much difference in sound quality will you notice?
I personally haven't noticed any but, I don't concentrate too much on it because I'm Working. My overall opinion is that they are superior to the dynamic bt's having experienced them for years before switching. Its important to get user opinions in comments to help others make decisions.
I use a pair of Anker soundcore noise cancelling headphones in the garage. At roughly £50 they are cheap enough to be chucked about but still sound nearly as good as my Bose versions.
I had problem with a set of IsoTunes earbuds. They kept dropping out. I returned them for a refund. I then bought a pair of the Stihl headphones and they work great for me. They work great in the workshop.
Interesting! Cheers Rob
Thanks for this Keith. Must admit I have the over ear green link Aware older versions and love them. I wonder if the smart noise cancelling has anything to do with it?
They do hurt the top of my head after extended periods, but looks like the band has been upgraded in yours.
Solid review buddy 👍👍
Cheers mate!
Interesting video, and I have to agree with you about the ISOtunes defenders... but for different reasons.
I've had the Link 2.0s for about a year now and I only use them when I absolutely have to because I find them actually painful to wear (I wish I'd returned them when I first bought them). The underside of the headband feels reasonably soft when you push the rubber strips back and forth, but when wearing the defenders the same rubber strips put an incredible amount of force directly downwards onto my head - with no give at all - and I can only wear them for very short periods of time, regardless of how much I try to adjust them. They even leave deep furrows across my scalp. Wearing a woolly hat (or a folded Buff) under the strap makes little difference and only adds about half an hour, if I'm lucky, before I have to take them off for the rest of the day. It's such a shame because otherwise I find them perfectly okay in terms of features and sound quality, although I do only listen to podcasts in the workshop.
Great review!! Thanks so much for this! Keep up the good work!
You’ve got to try the new Isotunes air defenders. Night and day from the links for sound. Still quiet to conform with osha but the detail is wild, I’m almost thinking HiFi levels. You wont be bumping in the defenders but you will be immersed, hearing it the way it was recorded. I was very very surprised as I am in full agreement with your review of the links.
Cheers. I'd like to try them out but I suspect I won't be sent any more of their products if they see this video...
Agree the air defenders a great addition to the workshop, far more comfortable than the in ear versions for wearing over long periods. It just took ages for mine to be delivered as iso tunes had supply issues took weeks. I’m more than happy with them.
Great and honest review, Keith! Thanks!!! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing! I did look at both of these a while back, but was a bit shocked at the hefty price tag. Even now, the Stihl headphones are just over £100. I tend to listen to Audiobooks when I'm plodding away, so the low volume issue with the IsoTunes would definitely be a dealbreaker.
I don't consider myself an audiophile, but I've been using JBL noise-cancelling headphones for all but the loudest work - sanding, table saw and the like - where I switch to 3M ear defenders, so would probably not be all that excited about decidedly below average sound quality. 👍
@6:52 I believe the sound is limited by design to protect your hearing. I don't know Isotunes, but I heard that from a number of people and it makes sense. People jack up music to overcome ambient noise, and don't realize it's damaging the hearing. I wouldn't think a limiter design is in play since a recording with low RMS/LUFS/dB still should be able to go up to the limiter, no? Finally, you actually didn't review how well it protects your hearing. I could have missed it, but I don't recall how well it does at protecting your hearing.
They're both comparable with ratings of 29 and 30 snr
Hi Keith, I have to agree I was given a pair of the Isotunes for my birthday and for me I much prefer the Hellberg Xstream ones I have had for awhile, The Hellberg version may not have all the features of the link 2 but for me its a more superior built product.
Cheers. A couple of guys I know (Robin Clevett, Matt Smith) also really like the Hellberg 👍
@@RagnBoneBrown I might give the Iso Tunes away to one of my subscribers 🙂
I liked the audio volume analysis you made, very clear. Have you done any audio woodworking? Like speaker cabinets.
Cheers Pablo! No I haven't but I enjoy John Heisz' videos on the subject. I don't think I know anywhere near enough technical stuff to be good at making speaker cabinets of anything. I did make a couple of instruments years ago though 👍
I’ve been looking out for this video since you mentioned it on the podcast - thank you and well done for making an honest review about a product you’ve been gifted! I’ve had the isotunes on my wish list for a while as a supposed “premium” option over cheaper unbranded items, so it’s good to hear this opinion - I won’t be getting the isotunes any longer. A product that fails in one of its two core purposes is not worth any amount of money.
I do think that marking the isotunes so low for their older (but still “current”) USB connection is maybe a bit harsh. It’s still universal and most people are never far away from a micro-USB cable. I think I’ll wait and see if Stihl release a new version with USB charging though, as a proprietary connector like that would score 1/10 for me, as I don’t want to be searching around for a specific charging lead - in the meantime I’ll just keep using my in-ear wireless earphones under standard ear defenders!
You should try the 3M Bluetooth headphones they are great
I have the occasional BT issues with my BT hearing aids. Turning them on and off again solves that problem. Also, the BT range isn’t as good as the ear protection sets
I feel like the isotunes are the PPE equivalent of Raycon, more money seems to go into the marketing than the product itself
I think that's a valid statement 👌
As a musician this review helped sway me away from Isotunes as I want the best sound possible. Unfortunately the Stihl's aren't readily avail here in Vancouver and double the price in the states. Will look further. Thanks for the review!
I just got the 3M Worktunes ones and they sound as bad as the isotunes so I'm buying another set of Stihl as mine just broke
I completely agree about the isotopes sound quality and comfort. I am returning them as all they are for me is ear protectors. They are good and comfortable at that but the bluetooth was unstable and the sound quality unusable. For $80 I expected MUCH better.
That's good to know Keith.
Nothing worse than a product that doesn't live up to standard mate. Great video chap 👍🏼👍🏼
I have the Stihl pair they are robust but I find they are uncomfortable when wearing glasses, either safety specs or my normal ones. Perhaps it is the size of my head but the foam on the ear covers does not give at all and so pushes the arms of my glasses into my head. Stihl response to me raising my concern means I won’t be buying again, which is a pity as Stihl is one of my favourite brans.
Completely agree about the isotunes product. The volume is too low for much of what I listen to and was very disappointed. I ended up tossing them which was the same as flushing $80 down the toilet. I would never recommend isotunes as a result. In fact I would suggest people stay away from the product until they figure out how to correct the very poor audio quality.
That's a real shame! I agree, I'm sure they have had plenty of feedback about it already which surprises me as to why they didn't sort out the problem in the new version 🤦🏻♂️
I bought the same IsoTunes but had to return them because they made an awful suction effect on my ears. Ended up buying the 3M Worktunes instead. Bit lighter and more comfortable when working.
Thanks. How do you find the 3M ones?
@@RagnBoneBrown Much better for me personally with the lighter weight. Less bulky but also feel less durable compared to a pair of non bluetooth STIHL Pros I wear for yard work. I paid less than $36 for the 3M so about less than half the price of the IsoTunes.
Did I miss how these are for hearing protection?
I have the same Isotunes one. 80% of the time I use them with an audiobook, maybe half volume on my iPhone. Never found a problem with the volume.
When I do listen to music I can’t say I’ve had a problem with the quality either.
I wonder if you got a bad pair.
I think you probably have the Link version 1? These are the Link 2.0 they're a brand new product
Hi, i love your vidoes but i have the IsoTunes Link 2.0 and i think they are vey good. I also find that the audio is like most other bluetooth headphones. I would say IsoTunes Link 2.0 are 8/10.
I'm glad they work well for you
I have the Stihl ear defenders. I got them a similar time to you Keith. In terms of your Stihl feedback mine would be very similar to you. Not the most comfortable head defenders I have ever worn but I have worn all day without an issue. I works for 3M for ten years Peltor most comfortable and best at blocking harmful sounds by far. I don’t have a Bluetooth version as they are very expensive
The Stihl have amazing battery life and the sound is as you say acceptable but no where my Bose in terms of quality.
I would buy the Stihl again for sure as they are good value for money when looking at the competition
Cheers Doug, I agree. I'd love to try the 3M ones some day
@@RagnBoneBrown The Tall Carpenter bought a standard pair of Peltors following a conversation he is very pleased with them
@@dougsaunders8109 Ha ha Doug🤩I was interested in what Keith had to say about these, and read down and saw your comment 😀 Those Peltors have amazed me at how much more effective they are at noise reduction than anything else I've ever tried🙉
@The Tall Carpenter Glad you like having recommended them! 😁
The IsoTunes Link 2.0 seem really odd, I'm hoping it's an issue with your pair. I've got the original versions and although the audio quality isn't amazing it's ok. I'd say it's only slightly worse than my Sennheiser PX100-II. As for volume, I've never really struggled with it, I've always been able to easily hear anything I'm listening to (pod casts, audio books, radio 2 etc.) even when cutting steel using my chop saw or using my DW745 table saw or angle grinder etc.. From the isotunes website they say the "SafeMax" limit is the same so I can only guess yours have a problem with them? Hopefully this gets isotunes to sort out either an inherent problem with the 2.0 version or improve their quality control a little :) (Oh and thanks for the video, it's always good to see others experience with this type of product)
Thanks, I spoke to Matt @ Badger Workshop who said the same, that the original ones were loud enough... I think they must have made the new ones quieter...?
@@RagnBoneBrown I can't remember from the pod cast whether Matt still has the originals or not? If he does could it be worth sending the 2.0 version to him to compare? I'd guess you won't be able to get enough content for another video but it'd be interesting :)
Bought Stihl based on your review, mine must be duds, they're back at the shop now but they doubt they'll do anything for me. I can't even hear over a table saw let alone chainsaw. I only wear them so I can hear the phone ring.
Thanks, Keith. Appreciate your being candid.
Thank you!
The stihl power connector is either a 3mm or 4.5mm jack plug. Just measure it to make sure
Sometimes called a barrel jack. Be warned that the centre pin can be a couple of different diameters, for the same given jack diameter. Give me a barrel jack any day over a flimsy USB Micro-B connector for anything that's designed for less than delicate use. It's probably 5.5mm with either a 2.1 or 2.5mm pin hole/inner diameter
OMG ended up using the sthl ones as regular headphones. The battery life is amazing.
Yeah! 👌
I have the isotunes. The plastic stud that holds the metal headband on snapped off almost immediately-so flimsily made I drilled it out and added a sheet metal screw so I was able to fix it. The sound quality is not good I agree. I think the pads don’t go tight enough.
much better range than i expected!
Almost didn't buy the Isotunes after this review, but did in the end after finding a deal on eBay. Tbh aside from the headband being a bit uncomfortable they're ace (and loud). If you can't hear them you've probably got hearing problems already
I've fitted all my ear defenders and phones and tablets with magnetic charging adapters so no matter what type of connector they are all using the same one now
You should do that head “dance” in more of your videos 😂👍
100%
I bought 2 different pairs of iso tunes products, the free’s and the extra 2.0’s after they’d been “recommended” on two well known TH-camrs, turned tv personalities….. both version were uncomfortable, too short a battery life, but most importantly too quiet for listening through, and completely useless as hearing protection…. Having perceived for several weeks in 2020 having contacted isotunes direct they recommended that I used them with “quieter tools” ( that was their official response!)
I would give them “straight back”, or possibly “not the time of day in future” if I could even be bothered to make a review video of them.
Utter 🐶💩 in my experience, better off with a £20 pair of skull candy headphones.
I went back to my 3M’s and their radio powered by 2xAA’s
Wow really? 🤣 Maybe they should advertise them as ear defenders for handtool users only! how do you find the 3m?
Your link to the Stihl ear muffs doesn’t go to the specific item.
I also tried the ISOtunes range and found them to be rather disappointing. I agree with your feedback, but would add how uncomfortable they are during longer stints or when it is warm. I did also try the in-ear versions which I have to say are SO much worse than the over-ear versions. The sound quality was terrible, the noise cancellation was at times dangerous, the fit was bad and the controls useless. Such a shame, because I really wanted to like these products.
I found them quite comfortable but yeah audio quality is poor
Had these 12 months and left earcup stopped working. They were very quiet from the start and luckily bought through Amazon so received a full refund. Will be looking for alternatives.
Which?
@@RagnBoneBrown the stihl ones.
Having used my 3M worktunes every day for 2 years, they're giving up the ghost with the same problem everyone else reports (left ear cutting out due to unsubstantial connecting wire) I bought the equivalent priced 'Prohear' off Amazon and started the returns process a few seconds into trying them out - absolutely awful sound quality and very quiet (as well as feeling awfully cheap) The controls look similar to the ISOtunes so I wonder if the guts of the products come from the same factory? So I'll definitely count out the ISOtunes - what's the point in the product if it fails at one of it's primary functions. I wonder if anyone with any audio experience actually designs these products - or maybe folks have become too used to listening to music through phone or laptop speakers?
I'm considering the Stihl's but I'm now wondering whether the 3M worktunes are actually very good compared to the rest - The sound and volume is pretty good (I listen to lots of classical music in the workshop which hasn't been heavily compressed or normalised - so the fact that I can enjoy a string quartet whilst running some heavy industrial equipment and extraction is actually quite impressive) I also like the fact they only have one button to control it with - it means you're not fumbling around trying to find the correct button if answering a phone call. Who even needs volume control on a headset itself - seems like a pointless function. Even if the 3M does only have a lifespan of 2 years, this averages out at pence per working day to own and run. Worth it if you actually enjoy music whilst working.
I've got the Isotunes Pro 2.0 in-ear headphones Keith and find them fine. They aren't as good as my Bose Noise Cancelling headphones but I think the audio is pretty good and haven't had an issue with the volume levels👍
Cheers Leo glad they work for you 👍 I'd like to try others in the range but suspect they won't want to send me anything else if they see this video, understandably
Blue tooth and Wi-Fi does lose signal sometimes and its normal not a fault and turning off and back on cures it usually nice comments on your behalf good food for thought
What do u use to charge the stihl head phones . Do u have to buy a special charger for them
Well Keith, I wouldn't plan on getting anymore freebies from anyone 😀
Very interesting and honest review, thanks x
Sound like there is a lot of problems with podcasts. Could you recommend a good one?
There's one called Workshop Banter, it is terrific, and it even sounds good through IsoTunes products 👍
i use the isotunes aware. i don’t have any issues with quality, durability & battery lasts well. i’m unsure how you can make an assessment between 2 products when you’ve only had one for 2 weeks and used it once versus a product you’ve used for hours for months. maybe the issue is you don’t like isotunes due to the sound quality that you perceive to be lousy & this has tainted your view?
Yes that's exactly right, I thought that was clear in the video. if I listened to the IsoTunes for another 18 months, the result would be the same, they are too quiet and they sound bad!
alas, I can only agree about the Audio judgements for the IsoTunes
The confusing part i don't get is that the isotunes link is their second iteration with it being deemed 2.0 and yet eventhough it has bigger battery life, there's no way to store music. Maybe 3.0 version?? Also include usb-c!!!!
Why would you want to store music?
I've had the 3M worktunes for around two years now. I was very happy with them up till recently when I started losing audio in the left muff. I opened them up to see if there was a loose connection on the left hand side. All looked good which is strange because when I wiggle the wire that goes in the left muff around the audio comes and goes. There's no damage evident on the exposed part of the cable either. I'm looking at buying myself a new set, but what one's to buy, 🤔🤔
Had the same issues with 3m I've gone through 2 of them they hardly last a year
Hi, I have Stihl Dynamic BT - and the only issue with my unit is the charging diode shows full immediately after connecting to charger, but I just learned that I need to charge for few hours... Probably some glitch... Does anyone have same problem?
Stihl is basically Hellberg muffs or made in the same factory atleast. They look almost identical.
But how good are they at actually blocking noise from machines ?
They both work great as ear defenders alone. I meant to put a bit in the video about it but must have trimmed it while editing! They are comparable, one of them is rated 30snr and the other 29snr 👍
Have you tried Peltor? They have really expensive models with walkie-talkie function but is their sound quality ok or not?
I've not tried them unfortunately
Keith, a quick question on the stihl ones as cant seem to find an answer online.
Can the earphones be detached from the headhand on these?
Wanting to use on brushcutter/forestry helmet for work so have face protection.
I know stihl do an adapter for my style of helmet but seem to be for the version thats got the mount already. These are the cheaper ones than the helmet versions and i would still need the adapter bit anyhow! 🤣🤣 so wondering if can actually get away with these instead!
Thanks and hopefully you reply!
Hi, I don't think they can I'm afraid, regards, Keith
Bought a set of the Isotunes free bluetooth headphones, complete waste of money, should have returned them. Too quiet to hear anything when working, can't believe that they offer any ear protection.
erm, how do either perform as what they are designed for......ear defenders?
Both comparable with 29/30snr ratings
i have the iso tunes headset and was happy enough until the USB charging socket pushed inside the ear cover, and I wasn't pushing that hard, so have been using triple A batteries since, not a happy camper
Oh dear 🤦🏻♂️ sorry to hear that! Did you contact them to see if they could help?
@@RagnBoneBrown no don't use them that often so just use the AAA
Reviewing skills - 9/10
Dancing skills - 10/10
I lost my charging cable. So yeah , can't use the stihl headphones no more 😢
They're a generic 9v port, you should be able to get a replacement... I did
I've had the 3M bluetooth connect for almost 2 years, I absolutely love them but the cables are damaged and I'm pretty sure soon enough they won't work anymore :( I don't know why but here in europe they're like 100€+, I bought them on the US amazon site and it was 60€ with all fees included at the time. I'm bummed about the cables because I love them. They work really well, the battery life is insane, they are comfortable in hot and cold weather, they would be pretty much perfect if it wasn't for those damn exposed cables :(
Maybe I'll check them out if my Stihl ones ever die. What happened to the cables, just damaged from being knocked about?
@@RagnBoneBrown Yeah, they're pretty thin and at the end the outer plastic sleeve is broken, which leaves the wires inside exposed. It's been like that for a few months and still works fine but I'm pretty sure they're not going to last me 5 years unfortunately. I don't feel like I've abused it either, it's always on a stand if it's not on my head. I have a pair of sennheiser HD 600 that are getting close to 10 years old so it's not like I'm a brute (I've replaced parts on the senns but still) with headphones.
isotunes are great!
I would t listen to music all day on my studio monitor headphones either.
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Just an FYI, I work at a Stihl dealership in the US. There is a part number for the charger port charging lead. 0000-889-8005
I've been wondering if you were going to do a review of these. Have a great day!
the isotunes is not a "brand new" product, I've had mine for almost a year now
The Link 2.0 is a brand new product!
Love your channel.
Word of warning. Please do some research, all Bluetooth headsets are the quickest way to get a brain tumour. I will not ever use them.
Where did You find this information?
I hate the volume limits on modern gear, give me metal or give me deafness
I agree, I think people should be responsible enough to set the volume accordingly
@@RagnBoneBrown in a world we live in that chainsaws need to have a safety warning "do not operate near crotch", I think common sense is not so common anymore
Despite the product lacking in most ways, the removable/replaceable lithium battery pack is a great feature. Most consumer electronics are just garbage after the lithium batteries start to age.
I agree, definitely a good feature. Saying that, I didn't particularly like the idea of prying out the connector via the cables, it worried me... I think it'd be good if they found a better way to connect the lithium ion battery
IMO if you are going to offer a comparison review on two product you should have taken the time to at least try out the communication quality on both models rather than just the one. It is a bit lazy and makes your review redundant. The ability to take phone calls is one of the biggest advantages to these products regardless if you are an introvert.
Not judging but I would never wear headphones in the workshop on a bike or in a car, I feel we need all our senses when We are in a potentially dangerous situation , but as I said not judging, everyone looks after thierself , sorry for any spelling mistakes
They're probably not for everyone, but I can concentrate much more with music on, and then the podcasts tend to go on for the boring monotonous tasks
You know then that headphones need breaking in, or was the sound so bad you knew there was no point or?
A valid point Ben, but yeah to me they sounded like headphones you'd buy in a corner shop.... I've never been good at describing sounds, I don't have the words.... The best I can do is cheap and nasty, almost like listening through a tin can
Bit of an unfair review. One product 18 months the other used once after making your mind up you didn't like them
What's unfair about it?
I can listen to the IsoTunes for the next 18 months but they will still sound rubbish and be too quiet
@@RagnBoneBrown valid point. My comment redundant. I like iso tunes. Mine broke tho never got round to replacing
sucks with an s?
Products is plural so I think it's suck, but I was baffled by that too!
@@RagnBoneBrown one of these sucks, or these products suck
If you don't want the isotunes you can send them to me lol
Thumbnail should say ‘SUCKS’ (one of these products suck𝐬, not suck!) 😘
Flawed review. Isotunes won out on most categories.
But not the important ones!!! 🤦🏻♂️
@@RagnBoneBrown and then so by your own admission your video is full of fluff
You didn't watch it
@@RagnBoneBrown false
I have the ISOTunes Link Aware and find them to be very good with regards to volume, hearing protection, but most of all, the ability to hear speech and anything else in that sort of noise range without taking the ear defenders off. The music sound is also very good, but at the end of the day, they are for hearing protection and not high end cans. I use them when I'm using my planer and thicknesser, and when I'm strimming and on the mower and don't find these to have any issues with not hearing the music.
How the hell did he make it through the whole video without comparing their ability to protect from hearing loss?