Helldivers 2 - Is DX11 Better on AMD RX 7900XTX? The Good, Bad and Tutorial
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ส.ค. 2024
- Forcing DX11 on Radeon does see a performance increase but there are also some major downsides. Is it worth it? Thats what I try to find out.
Folder location
%APPDATA%\Arrowhead\Helldivers2\shader_cache
DX11 Command
--use-d3d11
Thanks to Rastlaf for posting the tutorial on the Steam forums.
PC SETUP:
Sapphire Nitro+ VaporX RX 7900XTX (stock)
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X 3D - 8 Core Processor
360 AIO H150i Corsair Elite Capellix
32GB 6200 mhz CL 32 DDR5 Memory
ASUS ROG Strix X670E - A Gaming WiFi Motherboard
ASUS TUF Gaming 1000 Watt 80 Plus Gold ATX 3.0 Fully Modular Power Supply
1TB Samsung 980 Pro NVME SSD Operating System Drive
2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVME SSD Game Drive
Lian Li 011 Dynamic EVO PC Case
Windows 11 Pro
Radeon Driver 24.2.1 (Recommended)
00:00 Intro and Tutorial
00:53 The GOOD 1440P Native
03:14 1440P Ultra Quality
05:32 The BAD 4K
09:39 Final Thoughts
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just was looking for this kind of comparison, thank you!
Changing to dx11 completely fixed the crashing for me and I get better frames. At 4k, I only have that slow motion problem at the very start of a game when my hellpod is dropping but then it returns to normal before I hit the ground. I have a video if you want to skim through it and see.
Thank you for the video. I'm trying to squeeze as much out of my 3060 Ti as possible. At 4K, I get noticeable improvements but it doesn't feel as stable as 1440p as you're showing. I lose HDR, but before I saved15% GPU utilization at High settings, with +Ultra Quality scaling. This is definitely worth doing if one is going to choose 1440p.
I checked and there is no problem with 4k on my 7900XTX + 5800X3d configuration. Everything works correctly. Performance increase similar to 1440p approximately 30%. Currently there is no reason to play on DX12. I don't see any difference in the graphics. Thanks for this video.
Its just a rendering method, u wont see any difference in graphics. dx12 should be better, but its still unoptimized it seems.... after almost 10 years xd
I still have a lot of stutters and micro stutters with 7900xtx and 5800x3d. Even with the latest updates for the game and xtx. I need to investigate it
@@SgtRock4445 Had some too, It was stability issue with memory. Increase voltage to 1.395 V with XMP profile. If u use curve optimiser, decrease it. U have to make PC 100% stable in order to have ZERO stutter.
@@KvitasCZ i have a look into that. Cheers.
@@CurseRazermore like the developers are not skilled enough to optimize dx12. dx12 is a lot more complicated and harder to code in comparison to dx11, due to giving much more controll of the rendering process and gpu resources to developers, which is actually the reason for it to be better, but it also unlocks a much worse potential.
DX11 is capable of using multiple threads, in fact it can use upwards to 16 threads. BUT it requires a lot of work to get working properly, the API actually has tools that can automate this but doing it manually is better.
DX12 is easier as it falls back to driver level optimisations and allows the GPU schedulers to properly balance the thread the workload. This is why if you look on 1440p DX11 you get higher CPU usage than on DX12. This is because the API is trying to automate the threading whereas on DX12 its using around 10-15% less CPU usage but the workload is being better spread out across the threads of the CPU.
Fun fact, Vulkan API has the ability to scale upwards of 64 thread limit, DX12 at the moment is 32. Basically anything passed 16 and more manual work is required but its easier than on DX11.
Awesome. Thanks for the post.
I feel like the cpu % has to do with the amount of fps you are getting, maybe using a limit both DX can achieve would show you a more accurate workload info
how do you configure it to use the threads?
Omg thanks broo!!
I've wanted to be able to use DX11 to see if it was what happened to me, because my frames from the first month of release are gone. It seems that we can't use DX11 anymore, they blocked it from working somehow, i could not even get to the launch screen. :/
Damn man, yesterday i bought the game. I was unsatisfied with the performance at first and found a reddit thread about DX11... Didn't expect the performance gain to be this huge but it was, then youtube recommended this video. Crazy stuff
They are watching your every move lol. All joking aside though it happens to me too. You get recommendations of things you seem to find interest in which is not a bad thing imol.
Huge gains at 1440p. Great job looking at this, surprised the difference is that big at 1440p. Might help out some people with lower end GPU's since this game seems so heavy. The 4k slow mo footage looked so cinematic with this game's animations lol.
HA! Yeah the slow mo looked cinematic. It's like its stuttering so fast and consistent it feels kinda smooth in a slow mo type of way. Its weird.
Intel CPU's performs alot better on this game they get a lot more fps for the 13th and 14th gen cpus and about every AMD cpu is underperforming alot my same build at 1440p native with intel cpu gets 111 to 120 fps max settings but with a amd cpu it gets 88 to 100 fps I mean this game does not like AMD cpus even ps5 users have reported bad fps problem and they say it gets worst after every update.
ty, sir! you saved my poor 1050 ti :D
I have 5800x3D and 7900XT, and even on 4k, the fps boost is massive, no slow-mo glitch at all.
I've got messages from my viewers saying some experience the slowdown and some don't. Not sure why it happens. I still found DX12 to be more overall consistent, despite lower average fps.
nice I have the same card. I had to toggle the bios switch to the lower power profile because the game was so unstable.
This just helpe alot of older rigs, Democracy thanks you!
"helpe"?
*a lot
In curious I’m getting great performance in forbidden west im curious to know if is possible to use directx 11 since horizon forbidden west use directx agility sdk
Using ultrawide 3440 x 1440 and getting about little over 90 fps max setting with the 7900xtx on DX12 (With 7950x but still able to utilize +95% gpu).
Nice! I did not know it was something you could do. I will stick with DX12 tho. Oddly my Reference model 7900XT at 1440P Ultra setting with Native 1440P is averaging 80 fps. In combat in a team I see about 70 fps. Not too far off the 7900XTX it seems.
Yeah I think DX12 is the better choice.
I'm getting the same on my 7800xt huh? I got 1440p and running all on ultra and get average of 80-90+ fps
@@TheRealName7 Since my post... maybe updates to the game? Driver updates since? Which planet? How many enemies on screen at the time? Yadda yadda. Alot of cases I was over 100fps. Perhaps you are allowing SCALING? I turned that to native. Scaling was enabled by default in this game. Looks good even at 75% scale so it's not really at 1440P. Something to confirm I guess? I think the setting was called RENDER SCALE and I disabled mine to run 1440P native.
@@F1neW1ne it could be yeah, I have my FPS limit to 100 because usually it Never goes above 100 in game, almost all planets I get consistent 80+ FPS with native resolution, I will say tho I overclocked my GPU to its stable limit, if you have yours overclocked you'd definitely get a noticeable performance boost.
@@TheRealName7 Can't test now as I have uninstalled the game but glad the 7800XT is rocking out! Been some time since I played.
I was playing DX11 4k native since the launch, since it was working for me on my 7900xtx, and I forgot to change. In the latest month, I got slow intro, ctrl issues and it was lagging a lot on the land. In the DX12 the issues disappeared. I didn't experienced the slow mo during my DX11 plays
Not all do but I did at 4K only for some reason.
i have RX6800 and ryzen 7 5700x 32gb 3600mhz ram and game crash on start wen i try DX11
Same here accept i have r9 3900x
I run a 5800X3D with 7900XTX
At 4k DX12 all max Settings I get an average of 84fps...wh, do you get so much lower numbers?
Hmm will give this a try. Maybe it can help with the current CPU overheating problem in hd2.
Yeah check it out, doesnt hurt although I dont think it improves CPU utilization much since 1% lows remain practically the same but does seem to help out with the Radeon disadvantage in this game to some extent.
@@TerraWare tested a little today. Usually my 5950x runs at 60% and my 4090 runs at 15% while playing. Enabling dx11 flipped that around abit. The 5950x runs at 30% while the 4090 runs at 60%.
I havent played long enough to notice if the average fps increased. But there was a constant feeling of micro stutters even at 100+ frames.
Played with it for a few hours and uncapped my fps. My GPU was running at 99% and the CPU at 60% the whole duration. I switched back to dx12 as the fps was the same for me. I guess for nvidia gpu's there is no advantage that I could see for dx11.
@@geronimo5537 60% utilization on 5950x sounds about right. I see the same on my 5900X/4090. I did a cpu focused video about it here th-cam.com/video/faRuW1l90no/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jW8nnZVXhDdnOOTg
Tested this on my new steam deck, while I suck at the game and stay on the lower levels, I can hit my frame cap of 40 with little stutter, res scaling set to quality and most settings low with high render distance
I'm super late to this, but you should really try DX11 again in 4k, but with a frame cap. I notice the game doesn't really know what to do when it reaches a GPU limit, so the frame pacing freaks out even at high frame rates. When setting an FPS cap, even to something like 65 or 60, it should smooth it out almost completely and even resolve slowdown issues during drops.
I actually tried this out with DXVK-GPLASYNC on windows and this is what fixed it for me. It appears to be an issue with HD2's DX11 implementation as a whole, which is rather interesting to me.
Anyone else who cannot play this on max settings? 7900xtx hellhound and 5800x3d. It keeps crashing after a few minutes when I try it. When I okay everything on low I can okay for an hour or 2 atleast.
Are you having crashing issues with your 7900XTX Saphire? My game is constanting crashing with 15 minutes of playtime. Not sure what is the problem and even running it in DX11 doesnt save it
I was having a lot of crashes on the 24.1.1 driver. 24.2.1 beta driver got rid of all the crashing for me and now 24.2.1 is live. I would update to that if you haven't already.
Me too , I have an identical build to you have and I crash every 15 min. Even after the driver update. Was hoping dx11 would be better
@@svrajhanda9191AMD notes that changing resolution ingame may cause crashing still. For me i was crashing every 5 min at launch. If you turn off screen space global illumination it should stop driver related crashes. If you crash then it’s something with the game. The 24.2.1 driver fixed this for me and i can once again turn on ssgi. Maybe something didn’t get installed correctly when you updated? Try doing a full reinstall, download the amd cleanup utility to completely remove amd video and audio drivers then try reinstalling the 24.2.1 driver.
Same card here, hard to switch to DX11, run game on medium settings, run as admin, and update to 24.2.1 (Now on 24.3.1) to be able to play without crashing
Should dx11 be used with an nvidiq bases gpu?
I havent tried DX11 in any of my Nvidia GPU but I'd say no, Nvidia cards do pretty well in this game and I dont think I would use DX11 on AMD card either personally. There isnt much of an improvement on the 1% lows unfortunately and the slow motion issues I encountered at 4K in this video is not how I'd wanna play.
Just tried this and it definitely works a lot better at 1080p, went from 90-100fps on planet to 140+.
At 4k I doubled my frames from 40 to 83 but i also get the slomo effect.
DX12 has weird CPU usage and 11 def feels like it uses CPU cores better.
Edit: I have a 5800x3d and a 4070ti
Did you notice a visual difference between dx11 and dx12? I remember playing some games that looked better in dx12.
It felt like DX11 looked a bit more washed out maybe but I cant say for certain really. Could just be placebo. I guess not enough of a visual difference to really matter to me personally from the limited testing I did.
i think HDR can only be used with dx12 if you have that enabled but other than that no
@@TerraWare I notice a change in some lighting and surface effects in DX11. Easy to see on your cape while on ship to compare.
Difference is indeed huge!
Currently running R7 7500x + 7800xt. There *shouldnt* be a massive bottleneck, however my CPU is using 100%, whilst my GOU is using 70-80. Changing to DX11 tomorrow, lets see.
If this doesn’t work, just bad optimization I suppose?
You mean Ryzen 5700X? It's a CPU heavy game and definitely CPU bound if GPU isnt at 100%.
Still that seems a bit high for CPU usage. Are you running other stuff in the background?
@@TerraWare 5700X, my bad x)
All I’m running in the background is Dteam (Obviously), AMD Adrenaline and Discord. Nothing else.
Going for full windows/AMD chipset/driver re-install. I switched from Nvidia 3060 and haven’t removed these GPU drivers, although I’m not sure this would change anything?
@@jeroenrodenboog3815 You want to remove the Nvidia drivers absolutely.
@@TerraWare Got it. Update inbound tomorrow ;)
@@jeroenrodenboog3815 Im not saying it will fix anything but you dont want to have NVidia and AMD drivers installed at the same time.
I swap between my AMD and Nvidia graphics cards all the time and I used a program called Display Driver Uninstaller short for DDU. It goes beyond just uninstalling the drivers but gets rid of all hidden files that may not get removed.
They can cause performance problems and conflict. Using DDU is not always necessary but just go to your Add or Remove programs on Windows and uninstall anything with Nvidia in it.
This game is CPU intensive so it may not change much.
The difference is huge!
In average FPS yea it is and at 4K its kind of broken. Never seen anything like this lol.
@@TerraWare The devs are probably unaware their game is broken on AMD... Game caps at 96% usage natively the difference in performance between 1080p and 1440p is too small... With DX11 it works well but you get more stutter and 4k is unplayable... Maybe post this video on the game's subreddit so they fix this shit
@@100500danielAs far as I know, this behavior is the same on nvidia cards. They seem to intentionally keep a bit of overhead, as for a bugged game it has great FPS stability.
FPS instability is a frequent issue on my RX 6800, so I end up manually setting max FPS targets on a per game basis as I prefer being jumping between 85 and 92 FPS rather than 85 to 160 for example. This wasn't necessary on hell divers, it was as if the game did this automatically
Tho if it is indeed buged, I hope performance increases at a later date, specially the 1% lows (I consider them to be the important metric)
If I want to change it back at some point I can i just do the same command just with d3d12 instead?
Just delete the command, leave it how it was. That's it.
@@TerraWareappreciate it
Does anyone else have crashes on their 7900xtx when framerates are not capped? I have to use AMD Chill and lock the fps to 60fps or else i get a AMD driver timeout at random. Sometimes 5 mins in, sometimes 30mins. Am i the only one?
I had those crashes back in 24.1.1 when the game launched but since the 24.2.1 drivers its been very stable for me. I have seen other comments with people experiencing crashes still though so its not just you.
Dunno my sapphire 7900 xtx with same CPU dropping on the heavy fights to 70-65 FPS by some reason 1440P ultra graphs maybe I have wrong settings or ?
It can depend on what's going on like group play in harder difficulties with a lot of stuff going on can lead to drops in fps.
Single player you may get a little better fps than myiplayer trying to extract for example.
Some planets can also be a bit more demanding than others.
Some graphics settings in this game are crazy on ultra. For example you can gain upwards of 7fps by going from ultra volumetric for to medium alone.
bro dx 11 fixed my stutters when there are stratagems explosions there are no micro screen freezes anymore i still get insanely low fps 32-40 normaly and 13-18 on explosions or when there is a lot of bugs thx to my 2012 dogsh1t cpu but its way way better now.
dx11 dont have access to async compute but if the dev dont have skill to utilize it, it will not different
also dx12 is multi threaded not single threaded api like dx11 so it will not get huge steep fps drop as dx11 when in heavy scene, this is normal not thing strange
How are you not having frequent driver timeouts using the 7900xtx? I can barely sy the game.
24.2.1 fixed all the crashing issues for me and reading some of my comments it seems to be the case for many others but I have received a few comments like yours that are still having issues.
Honestly not sure why. I had a lot of crashes on 24.1.1, I assume you have updated your drivers to the latest?
@terranigma4027 I tried 24.2.1and I still had crashes. Do you still run adrenaline edition? I am currently using their Beta driver and DX 11 to avoid timeouts, but still have one or two every night. Very disappointing for AMD's flagship card.
@@Glennburgss I do run adrenalin yea, it's how I capture the footage.
@@TerraWare Same Sapphire card, latest driver doing the opposite for me, more crashes than ever. I'm having driver timeouts every single mission , without fail. No OC/UV.
24.1.1 and previous game update I had 1 crash in 40+ hrs of playtime while using d3d11 launch param. Now it doesn't matter what API I use
@@Rondog. So strange, Sapphire 7900 XTX, DX11 helped a lot. Another thing that helped is turning off Discord hardware acceleration, if you have that running in the background.
Seems like its still possible to load in DX11, Launch the game with the command and without the file, a black screen will pop, but wait, should take a minute maybe to generate new shaders and then the game works !! But dont expect a miraculous improvement in performance.
Why is my 7900 XT only using 60% usage, and why do I get low fps stutters?
Sounds like some CPU/system related. It usually is whenever your cards not being fully utilized
--use-d3d11 the game just opens black screen and closes... any help?
delete the d3d11 command from the steam options menu should load fine in DX12
hey man i know im late but how are you playing with people on dx11? my game crashes when i'm launching into a mission with randoms
This was around when the game came out. Not sure how this method works these days. I haven't tried but do see the occasional comment like yours saying it doesn't work sometimes.
@@TerraWare thing is i can play solo completely fine in any difficulty but when i quickjoin a match it just crashes my game, maybe you can do another video on the next patch coming these days
i cant run this on dx11 it won't event get in to legendary cut scene of democracy
always Force me back to windows
any solution?
I heard the last patch broke this method. I haven't tried it. Been playing on DX12
@@TerraWareare you sure ? I waited till it open and is working but first time it open the intro and skiped midway I need to launch one more time but my god I gain so much performance arrowhead needs to patch this and let people play dx 11
Opening a second time works now without waiting and doesn’t skip cutscene !😀
@@Ricardo29j That's good to know. Yea if you go to the comments of this video and list them from newest you will see quite a few people saying this method (what I showed in the video) didnt work for them anymore.
How can u play without driver timeouts on the 7900xtx. I cant play 10min without a timeout. I tried everything, turning this and that off, but nothing helped
Have you tried disabling screen space global illumination?
Did you update your driver to the latest one that fixes the crashing issue in Helldivers 2?
I have disabled those settings and upgraded to a 1000W PSU, using a 5800X3D processor. Still crashing.@howdoeshedoit59
@@Glennburgss One thing that helped for me, besides switching to DX11 and updating drivers, was turning hardware acceleration off in Discord, if you have that running.
@@46three i did this. It seems to have worked. Sorry for the late reply.
It's odd I'm not having any issues with DX11 at 4K on an RX 7900 XTX & R5 5600X
What I do see however is 100FPS compared to 70FPS with DX12 now let's hope the crashes are fixed by this
Update to the latest 24.2.1 drivers if you haven't. That fixed all crashing issues for me.
@@TerraWarecan confirm
I cant play on DX12 on my 7900 XTX.. even with new drivers. I have to use DX11 to get no crashes. Its so sad.. DX11 works fine but no standard DX12. and we talking about a 7900 Card......
I see no issues here. Democracy always comes in slow motion. Ask North Korea😄
Joking aside that was really interesting to watch! I'd never imagine the difference would be this huge, good stuff man!
Democracy in North Korea is continental drift slow lol.
@@TerraWare 😂
@@TerraWare At least North Korea is not imposing "democracy" around the world on weak countries, robbing them under this guise. Therefore, France was thrown out of Africa, now it is left without uranium and diamonds 🤣
@@aedra1008 True, they impose oppression on their own citizens.
I have a RX 6700XT, by doing this, it increases my FPS but the 1% lows are lower than using DX12, so it feels sluggish to play with :(
I've got other comments like this and it makes sense I guess.
Doesn't seem to do anything for me with a 4090/ 12900k. Guess this is an amd thing? My fps isn't bad per say, think most of my fps loss is just in the fact that I'm cpu bound.
I havent yet tried it on my 4090 but I dont think it would be necessary. Even here where you clearly get a lot more fps with the 7900XTX the 1% lows are still the saem and frametime is more consistent in DX12.
DX12 is superior imo.
it doesnt work anymore :(
you can make these gains with a simple UV/OV
How
Dosent seem to work on my rog ally z1 extreme it keeps getting a error at launch. Not sure why maybe the updates stop this trick or are people still doing this?
I've heard some of the updates have broken or blocked launching with DX11. I havent tried recently.
@@TerraWare yeah it definetly dosent work but it did in my rtx3090 wish means nvidia is not the problem is amd my rog ally struggles so bad with this game even with a xgmobile connected is crazy. I wish they implement fsr 2.0 and dlss.
@@user-sz6hk1nv3o I tried it on my Steam Deck a while back, it ran at like 20 to 30 fps with settings on low. I wouldnt play this type of game on a handheld personally.
@@TerraWare i have an xgmobile connected to the rog ally wish i can pretty much play anything at 1440p but this game is just not very well optimise there been day were i can run it at 1440p and get aroud 45 to 50 fps with quality mode on hell diverse 2 and other days the game just run like crap. and can bearly do 30fps on this specific game. With lossless scaling am pretty much all good lately but is just one of those games men that it need polish when it comes to pc.
@6:52 - welcome to experience of Fallout 4 NEXT GEN EDITION :D
Been wondering if its worth looking into that one lol.
I have checked it on my Steam Deck. It actually runs pretty good.
I tried it with my 6800 running at 1440p UW (3440x1440) just running laps around the ship, not in an actual mission yet, and I saw the same thing, big gains in everything except 1% lows. I wonder if the reason Nvidia seems to perform better than AMD in this game comes down to something causing issues with DX12 when running on AMD GPU's....
OK good to hear you're experiencing the same thing with 1% lows, I'm not the only one. Let me know if you experience any of the very unusual slow motion issues I experienced at 4K in the video.
As for why DX12 doesnt run as performant on AMD I honestly couldn't tell yea. Could be a pipeline thing. Usually its the other way around. AMD GPU's underperform in DX11 but do better in DX12
@@TerraWare I did run one mission this morning before work to see, unfortunately Afterburner didn't record the FPS so I can't see in detail (only installed it to record FPS in the game on the 6800 so I could compare for when my 7900 XTX gets here). At 3440x1440 I did not get the slowdowns you did at 4k, and the FPS was much higher on average, but I did have 4 or 5 stutters during the game at different times, which I don't remember getting on DX12.
@@VelcroSnake93 Right, I think CPU utilization is overall better on DX12 but GPU utilization better on DX11 perhaps. I may actually try it on my RTX 4090 at 3440 x 1440. Thats my main gameplay resolution.
@@TerraWare Played 4 missions tonight on DX11, did not notice any of the hitching I'd gotten this morning in the one mission, just the boosted FPS benefits. About 20+ average FPS increase (from the 70's to the 90's), slightly higher 1% lows.
rtx 4070 ti and ryzen 7950x3D amazing boost fps
my game crash when i try launch with the comands dx11
Why your game aint crashing in directx12?
The video's one month old. Made it around when the game came out. I think some things have changed since multiple updates from what I've heard.
Not only FPS but frametimes look better
Tried this and it would've been amazing if it didn't stutter so much when looking around in dx11
I see, so you're getting that slow motion thing too? I've got a couple comments to people saying it runs fine for them and some saying they experience the slowdown like I did in this video.
Interesting.
nice video bro, tried on my 4090 and game wouldn't even load pass the black screen lol frame time was over 1000 m.s gpu usage at 0-3% xD
I have to wait a bit for the shaders to change, I did everything fine on the 4080!!
@@djurast5169 oh maybe that was the problem i had to be patient. THanks!
No longer working after last patch :\
It working you have to wait first time and opening second time works
do you think that on a rtx 4080 would be good? cuz, the game runs like ass on my 4080/5800x3d at 3440x1440p
It should run pretty good on that setup. I did a video the first day the game came out on my RTX 4090/7800X 3D at 3440 x 1440. You should be getting around 30% less fps than that. 100 fps should be doable for sure.
Here's link if curious.
th-cam.com/video/LOjKTOc6Gr8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yzPukvOBPd36Xfbs
@@TerraWare i meant using the DX11 like mentioned...did you ever tried with you nvidia? cuz, plauing on lower levels is fine, but, as soon you drop on a lvl 7 and up, goodbye frames, you're constantly drops to 60-70fps and barelly keep above 100fps most of the time...
@@fntksgaming I havent tried DX11 on Nvidia no. I don't think it would be necessary but I may check it out if I have the time.
Your cpu is holding it up. Im getting the same 100fps average as the video at 1440 native with a 4070. have the 7800x3d.
@@dingleberries360 th-cam.com/video/NXO_LvrQymY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZsvK3312T4bhd5OX
Sry buddy, 5800x3d is not holding back anything... playing on lower tier maps I can lock be always at 130+...go to a lvl 7 , on a blitz mission and check your usage...its the game....or after watching the video ive sent of 14900k/4090 getting 15+ more than me is okay?
Also, your forgetting, i play at 3440x1440, which 30% more taxing than regular 1440p
7900xtx at 1440 native only getting around 100fps? my rtx4070 is doing this. wtf?? Is this game CPU heavy? I'm also using the 7800x3d which seems to be what's driving this game.
It is a cpu demanding game but AMD is around 20 to 30% behind in this game. For example my 3080Ti gets close to similar performance as my 7900XTX. My 4090 is like 66% faster when normally its around 30%.
Looks like CPU utilisation is actually worse in DX12 compare to DX11. Which probably means that the DX12 code path lacks optimisations on the CPU side of things.
I don't agree although you may be right but I'd need to test Nvidia as well. I say this because DX11 clearly improves GPU utilization in 7900XTX, CPU is never an issue and we end up with practically the same 1% lows, sometimes better on DX12 even though we get less overall FPS.
The frametimes are more consistent on DX12. I think I'd have to look at it on my 4090 full CPU bound scenario DX11 vs 12 and show 0.1% lows
@@TerraWare the CPU usage is substantially higher in the dx11 according to your video. And whilst the GPU usage is not much different.
@@diablosv36 I get where you're coming from at face value it looks that way but I made a CPU focused video with a 7800X3D, 5900X and RTX 4090. The 7800X 3D can do around 150fps before it becomes the bottleneck in this game on DX12.
That fact the fps is lower in DX12 in this video is because of the way the 7900XTX is being utilized or maybe a combination of both CPU and GPU only on Radeon GPU's? I guess that could be possible.
On DX11 GPU is being utilized better therefore CPU utilization % will be higher with higher fps of course.
I would have to do a similar test on Nvidia to find out a bit more.
@@TerraWare Looking at your video, DX12 shows GPU utilisation around 97% most of the time, whilst DX11 is it going to 100%. Since the CPU usage is higher coupled with higher GPU usage on DX11 tells me that AMDs DX 11 driver which is highly optimised is pushing the more CPU cores more than the DX12 pathway, which is ironic, as DX12 can utilise CPU core better, but it has to be properly done by the dev otherwise it can be worse than DX11.
13900f/4080TUF with 1440p ultra wide, it seems like DX11 is the way to go on my system. Way more stable FPS on DX11 than DX12
i cant even get into a mission without hardcrashing and driver timeouts on dx12 on my 7900xtx 7950x system but dx11 runs super smooth no crashes at all
i'm on the latest drivers to guess some configs don't like dx12😅
Yeah it seems that way because since 24.2.1 I havent had any crashes on my 7900XTX/7800X 3D
Yo you help me with 6600 xt gain a lot of boost fps
Nice. Glad it helped.
okay so at first it did not work but when i changed the d's to big then the game started just so anyone else don't get a black screen !
Can you type out the exact launch command you used? because --useD3D11 still launches the game in dx12
is this also relevant for 6000 amd gpus?
Yes but I have heard that they updated the game where DX11 doesn't work anymore. This video was made when the game came out. I haven't tried it recently.
Using a rtx3070, i don't recommend using dx11 on nvidia cards, there is no point. You lose hdr, you dont even get the ootion to adjust ui brightness and the fps is much higher but it feels broken, slow mo thing happens too. Sad, miss dx11 cause this game maxes my r5 3600x and makes it cry.
Does it also work with an RTX 3070 or only with AMD?
It should work with any GPU but the AMD gpu's were the ones that were under performing nad had some stability issues.
Keep in mind I made this video back when the game had just come out and patches have been made so am not sure what type of an experience you will have.
Also my second half of the video shows DX11 can make your game run in slow motion lol but this isnt something that happens to everyone.
@@TerraWare My problem is that the game consumes a lot of CPU 70% and does not use 99% of the GPU (it uses 60 - 70%) and I don't know how to make it use more GPU
@@xGonza84The only way would be to get a faster CPU. It is a CPU intensive game especially in higher difficulties with a lot of enemies on screen.
The thing is though as long as you are getting good FPS and enjoy the game I wouldn't worry too much about getting 99% GPU. There is always a bottleneck no matter what.
In my main system I have an RTX 4090 and a Ryzen 7800X 3D, one of the fastest gaming CPU you can buy and even I cant hit 99% GPU in a lot of cases in this game. It's ok. I still enjoy the game but if you have a weak CPU this game will be very demanding of it.
@@TerraWare Okay, I have an RTX 3070 and a Ryzen 7 5800x
It's so weird how DX12 has better smooth frametime but lower FPS and DX11 has better FPS but not so smooth frametime
Different architectures, DX12 is a lot more smooth and average, where as DX11 has higher highs and lower lows.
Good comparison but it's not only important the ammount of FPS, but also the % from both CPU and GPU and the temps they get, because using different DX causes variations on those 2 values as well.
Utopically speaking, the best result is when you get the lowest CPU-% possible, the best GPU-% possible (BEST and not HIGHEST because not every time high GPU % means better), the lowest temps possible on both and the higher FPS possible on heavy load.
It doesn't matter much if you get a lot of FPS but the CPU is overloaded or the GPU is not used correctly..
Is there a visual difference?
I've heard some say that there is a bit but I didn't really notice anything other than my game running at 50% speed in the second half of the video lol.
Need to try this, the game performance is horrendous for me even with a powerhouse of a PC, low settings ultra settings higher or lower resolution its trash when enemies spawns in and bombs are called in
Ive heard from some people this method may not work after a few patches since this vid was made. What type of fps are we talking about and what's the rig specs
@@TerraWare well rtx 2080 super 8Gb 32 Gb ram dual channel i7 10750h around 50-60 fps difficulty 5 or above when explosives are needed, a very good looking PowerPoint presentation
@@ivoesteves4814 That's actually more fps than I'd expect for a 3 generations old high end laptop. This game can be very punishing on the CPU.
@@TerraWare yeah, got this laptop recently for very cheap, runs the games I want really well, but it's impossible to play Helldivers, it stutters like crazy when many enemies gather around or a bomb is dropped, I died to Bile titans more often than I want to admit because I can't move out of the spit, it stutters like crazy and the cloaking Hunters, I swear I almost had to break something because the stutter plus those cloaked freaks is too much of a deadly combo
@@TerraWare update on the situation ! I can play at 45-50 FPS smooth now after changing stuff around in Profile Inspector, changing CPU compatibility and power settings.
Excuse me, can you be banned for using the command or not?
No. You can't. At least I havent heard anyone be banned for it.
It ain't working anymore. Devs blocked it on last patch.... D:
Why should they?
Not worth u pay over 1k$ for gpu and crashing like every 10-15 min only solution is turn off that option or that option i didnt pay that much money to turn off settings also it doesnt work i also had sapphire nitro and refun it at 3rd day
hope dev fix it.
dx11 its realy good for player want high fps
This literally doesn’t work at all, makes my game get stuck on a black screen upon launch
Interesting, have got all kinds of messages regarding this, you're the only one with this issue. Did you follow the directions exactly? What's your cpu gpu too out of curiosity.
@@TerraWare CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X Six Core
Graphics: Nvidia 1660ti
Hopefully it’ll work with the next update
@@cykalandon8635 I see. I'm actually recording some Ryzen 2600 footage for a CPU comparison video I'm making for thos game but never tried DX11 on it so can't say. The game was built for DX12 but have got comments from some people using GTX 1000 and RTX 2000 who said DX11 helped them. Not sure why you are getting black screen 🤔
Have to wait like 30 seconds, but it does load
They have disabled DX11 in last patch
Is that right?
@@TerraWare well game wont launch with dx11 setting
@@Carnag3Rsame thing happening to me, did you find a fix?
yeah i cant launch the game with dx11 setting
Try again? Apparently people experiencing this are having luck after the 2nd load?
How do you revert back to DX12?
Dx 11 works you have to wait first time I gain so much more performance 😭
Just delete the command in the Steam library 0:46
Gtx 1070ti black écran
Intel CPU's performs a lot better on this game they get a lot more fps for the 13th and 14th gen cpus and about every AMD cpu is underperforming alot my same build at 1440p native with intel cpu gets 111 to 120 fps max settings but with a amd cpu it gets 88 to 100 fps I mean this game does not like AMD cpus even ps5 users have reported bad fps problem and they say it gets worst after every update
the game doesn't open now :D
Yeah so much changes with each update. I continuously get comments like this over time where it works than an update breaks it, than works again and breaks again.
If you wanted more consistent results to compare FPS difference you should have just rerun the tutorial, the live mission vary greatly between each run
Yeah but there's very little going on there. I have people wanting me to play on hardest difficulty extracting to compare lol which would be a good test to be fair. I've found a way now to get a more consistent side by side. Playing solo, entering a mission and than ALT F4ing out of the game, next time you launch it lets you start the same mission and its a matter of landing in the same spot and following the same route.
Dx11 give mé Like 15 to 20 fps on average while playing 1440p native high settings and i gót around 74 fps sometimes more but cant get more fps and i playing on Rtx 3070 Like bruhhh this game is terrible made optimalization is sooo bad. IF i gót samé settings in dx12 i gót 60 fps in ship when i drop on the planét 55 in battle around 30 fps fuck that, i know game is CPU intensive but in dx12 its dont want to utilizate my gpu at full but CPU is at 30 to 60 percent crazy. I never seen run my Rtx 3070 this nad in online game and also why we need that shitty a ty cheat when this is pve game Like damn nahh. Game really shoukd work better than this. Cant belive how poor is performing on my PC. Fuck even cyberpunk at ultra quality settings 1440p native i playing at 80 85 fps and with full RT i turn on dlss quality or balanced and gót samé fps and cyberpunk is really demanding game but damn this thing this is nôt even good made the friend háve 7800x3d and Rtx 4080 and he playing at 4 and literally háve problems with running game cuz his fps are bad but stability of game is even worse than fps its keep crash Ing a lot, this solution work for him good but game crash Ing still samé with mé the fps gót better but game crash Ing more than before but IF i go back to DX 12 30 fps RIP great optimalized game.
damn, i hoped my life will go nicely if i switch to dx11, but i play on 4k *3072p upscaled to 3800* *skull emote*
Give it a try anyway I guess. Maybe it was something with my setup. I may check it out on my Nvidia gpu's out of curiosity or 6800xt.
This games interesting
dx11 = no hdr
Yeah that sucks. HDR is awesome in HD2
Wow dx12 is such a scam!
Am I the only one who thinks DX12 looks better?
I know the solution. Buy an Nvidia GPU and have fun. 👍
They both play the same games lol. I have a couple Nvidia gpu as well.
yes, pay 100% more for 20% better fps. NOPE
Dumbass.