Rant Time! Sandbagging and BJJ Part 2-Expanded
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ม.ค. 2022
- Warning: absolutely no language filter. Also the video is long.
Hello! This is a part 2 in response to some of the feedback I got on my last video. I wanted to clarify a few things, expand on others, and generally push the conversation forward. I am aware I have a unique perspective and I appreciate any other view points, especially when they are pointing out something I might have just missed or not thought about.
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I love these. Keep them coming. People care and enjoy you talking about controversial BJJ subjects
Mica Galvao is a prime example of when time restrictions could use exemptions. Having won everything at brown belt his black belt promotion wasn't recognized by the IBJJF because he was 17. He was also beating adult black belts in open competitions in Brazil when he was a juvenile green belt. He's a 1% example because his father is a black belt and he was training BJJ and wrestling basically from birth. His exposure and training velocity make him an outlier and, as such, he shouldn't be held to conventional standards.
He would have won worlds this year. Good chance. He beat Tainan
IBJJF actually changed their rules I’m not saying 100% because of Mica, but because of this new reality of kids starting BJJ at 3 years old and such. So now you can be 18 and a black belt.
@@Ingeniousleo85 they changed their rules because it makes no sense to hold someone from a promotion of they've literally proven themselves to be the best in the world at their division. That actually promotes sandbagging.
These long form videos are amazing dude. I would absolutely love a podcast with you and some of the Daisy Fresh guys. There's not too many active competitors at the highest level posting this quality content right now so thanks again!
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Diego Sanchez says 'Yes, Yes, Yes'
Im 42, a Blue Belt, 2-3 times a week at most... I knew exactly what you meant, and its 100% true. Some people are just delusional about their skill. A 1 stripe full time competitor from your gym will stomp me 7/10 times. Its just real. Not offensive.
43 new blue. Agree 100%.
Same here. I’m a 40 year old blue belt and would get smashed by daisy fresh BJJ. However, I’m having fun with the sport and not caring too much about being competitive at that level.
We don't need to go as far as PSF =)
I'm 29 y/o fresh blue belt and will get smashed (or at least decently challenged) by some super athletic white belts in my gym. And when I was 29 y/o white belt, I'd smash (or decently challenge) some of the 40+ blue and purple belts.
It's normal, it what makes us grow.
@Greg Lurik one year
@Greg Lurik Honestly some schools put more value in blue belt than others. But also depends on how much you train and progress. I geeked out on Jiu Jitsu and watched a lot, stayed after classes to practice more and roll, competed, etc. So maybe that was a factor.
As a Masters 2 hobbyist who won gold at No Gi Worlds (135 lbs) this past year at purple belt, I fully agree with Andrew here. Those adult division purple belts are rad and would eat my lunch. I personally look at the masters divisions as hobbyist divisions for colored belts and the adult divisions as the professional divisions (for major tournaments). Nothing Andrew said is offensive, it's just objective and there is nothing wrong with that. I count myself lucky that, as a hobbyist, I can go sit in the same bullpen as these professional athletes.
Congrats, World Champion, and I agree with you. The difference with Masters divisions comes at Black belt. If someone wins Masters 2 Worlds at Black belt, they likely won it in a division with people who once were competitive at the adult Black belt divisions.
@@NOCDIB That's a very good point. I know some Masters division black belts that were winning Worlds and Pans when they were young adults. It gets scary up at black belt.
Single most impressive speech I've ever heard. I'm a 43 Yr old blue belt....I've competed once, didn't like it, don't need it. I feel BJJ has changed my life. I feel great when I leave class, knowing I've made a difference....give the best advice I can give, help whenever I can. I like to lead by example....showing great character and growth in a way that spreads. I can turn it on and be competitive and go 100%, but I just feel that this is only required when necessary. I'm actually always going to be like this, always going to train like this. I still may compete in the future, competition is OPTIONAL. What I have outlined, in a sense, is ESSENTIAL. I could listen to you all day Andrew, you've wisdom beyond your years.
Totally agree ... you are a wise, young whipper-snapper. I'm almost 70, a casual roller and will never compete. Have zero desire. And I want to do this for however many years I have left :) AND know I can defend myself against assholes out in the wild. They won't be world class grapplers. They'll be bone-head drunks who think they can fight and are clueless. Despite BJJ's popularity, it's still only a small fraction of people training over all. Anyway ... you are right on ... and you can smash me anytime. It would be an honor.
This exact point about masters and hobbyist is what I tell people all the time, especially if I’m asked if I’m going to compete. I’ve competed in a multitude of sports throughout my life and eventually competed at the world level. The fun of sports leaves at the higher levels and you have to think a certain way. Winning and losing take on a different meaning and it can lead to some crippling mental illness. So now, I’m a 40 year old blue belt. I really enjoy just training, helping the team get prepared for comp, learning new things and that’s it. No need for me to compete. Just enjoying the art and trying to give back
Well said. I appreciate your nuanced arguments and willingness to have open discussion. Definitely enjoy your perspectives. Keep the videos coming.
Again I really appreciate you taking the time to share your opinion & being vulnerable with us like this. I wish more people in the community would open up about how they really feel on certain subjects in a respectful yet logical & critical manner while remaining realistic. Great stuff! :) I love these type of vids
Good for you that you took the time to recover. Been watching from the first episode. Love your point of view some people will love it or hate. I'm 53 3stripe blue belt for 5 years just dont have the time to train as when I first started it's all good. Your content is inspiring keep it coming congratulations on your instructionals and new box. Look forward to seeing you come back. Thanks to you and the daisy fresh team.
Love these videos man, really interesting hear you talk about the validity of technique and who is teaching them.
Andrew, your unfiltered views are a breath of fresh air. This is what the community needs. Keep it up.
Dude, you are spot on. Love hearing your perspective. You started at ground zero and lived in the fkkkn gym, literally. I relate to what you are saying to billiards because that is where my expertise is, not Jiu Jitsu. But what you say resonates and is right on. If people are offended, then they truly have no clue, and don't live in reality. You have been there and done that. Im starting BJJ back up at 55 and will compete. Your NO BS perspective is refreshing and motivating. Keep bringing the smoke, B safe.
Glad you’re back Andrew. Hope your recovery for your knee and back went well.
Good points, all well articulated. I am a hobbyist, but do the same as you. I watch high level competition to see what's working, what's taking the community by storm, and (most importantly) what the counter is. This is how we progress & evolve.
A friend I train with told me once, "So we're black belts... to put this in perspective, we have the same belt as Saulo Ribeiro." It's very humbling. I've trained for a long time, but I will never be the level of Saulo Ribeiro.
As a Master 5 competitor who has competed at all the big tournaments, I can honestly say I could not care less about winning a "title." Realistically, I can not even stay on the mat with an athletic bluebelt who trains 5-7 days a week. They run circles around me at 52 years old, but I love the atmosphere and the ability to keep pushing myself. I enjoy the opportunity to continue to train, compete and meet amazing people I would never have met before. Love your views Andrew. Keep them coming!!
You are a gem to the bjj and martial arts community 🙏🏼
Seen some Reddit threads recently about negative/toxic gym environments and had to deal with it leaving an old school type gym myself for a few reasons (ex. Banning crosstraining, paying for promotions). You already talked about it a bit in the crosstraining rant but I think you'd have a very helpful perspective on the other factors and on what goes into making a positive competitive environment (also it would generally be fun to watch you go off)
Andrew is thoughtful and analytical. I think this hugely contributes to his successes on the competitive scene. He systematizes winning, and this is not in small part due to his high reality testing.
Great follow up video and good clarifications. Especially on the comments about 'casuals', I can see how someone could have taken offense from your first video. I personally like the theme of "being against bullshit techniques" much better. There are casuals who put what they learn to the test on a daily basis. For them success against a high level competitor might mean be able to defend themselves a little better / for a longer time, tomorrow compared to today.
Car videos are the best. Love the longer form talks
Glad you are blessing us with knowledge once again
You keep it real Andrew! Love it!
I love watching your ranting videos, somehow they sound based and modest at the same time lol
Good to see you back
Love the idea of proof of concept... If it works, it works...
Love listening to you man, keep it up.
Excellent video Andrew!!!
love these so much omg
Another thing people need to understand about us guys who are over 50 or in my case close to 60 is that we are fighting two fights at once. A much younger guy who are ripped and fast and the other fight is Father Time. If I show up and get a good sweat and survived without injuries then I am a happy camper. The gracies did a good video on how the older we get we drop down in rank compared to younger guys and we should not feel bad about it. This was a nice two part vid to watch. Great perspective as well.
This is not a rant; this is alot of solid thoughts and ideas.
And a filter is f'n useless anyhow. Be you.
I friggin' love this guy.
Digging it Andrew. Please do a video on jiu jitsu techniques that are often taught but don’t seem to work in high level competition. Would be very curious to hear your take!
Thank you for this free content. It maybe a niche audience, but it's a very grateful audience.
I would love to hear your opinion on what makes a good coach/instructor.
Much love from France
Andrew one thing I'll say about belts is they're like road signs in a way. I've got very mixed feelings about you saying they could get rid of them, because it might chase out people who could contribute greatly in the future for the growth/health of BJJ. I'm not good with words but I'll try to explain. I grew up boxing, we had no belts no divisions other than weight class and amateur/pro that's it. It's like a Novice/Pro But there is no map really from the one to other that most people can realistically follow. The hyper competitive amateurs and black swans make the leap and that's what it is... a blind fucking leap and most of them get ate up and spit out. You can win golden gloves you can find some amateurs who never went pro but are considered very good, but most rush from novice because it's like "If you can make money and eat why the fuck you wasting time in baby phase" meaning headgear, different rule sets ect...
There is no middle ground there is no way for a person to really get how you say proof of concept. It's hope matchmakers pro get you a person with the same record, but record doesn't mean shit if one guy has 10k hours boxing and other has 1k. Maybe this is stupid comparison because there aren't boxing "tournaments" like bjj but it's all I know.
I guess what I'm trying to get at, is even for people who are hyper competitive ... you at black belt would fuck your purple belt self up right? 10/10 times probably or maybe 9/10 at least?. The escalator doesn't stop till the black belt floor so the people who win at lower belts (for most part) aren't there year after year it's hyper competitive blues/purples sorta battling other sorts who are also riding the lift to the top floor, you're not instantly there.
Maybe you felt after you won blues you wanted to just jump into black belts and opens, and maybe you'd have some success but I really think if there were say only white/black belt tournaments and nothing in between a lot and I'd wager 99%+ wouldn't even compete anymore. The gulf is just too big. Oh I've gone from facing other white belts to maybe getting Andre Galvao in the first round, or Lucas Lepri in the early draw... ect. Who's signing up to get soul crushed like that? regardless of how good they are/were the mat time is just world's apart. Are they going to stick around for years and years with no chance of proof of concept other than gym wars / local tournaments? maybe, but being honest I Just don't see it going down that way. There is a reason boxing isn't enjoying the success of bjj in many facets, and the #1 thing to me is Accessibility.
I guess this goes back into the sandbagging thing, and everything you've said I agree with. Mat time of a "blue belt" cole abate is higher than probably 99% of brown belts, there has to be a way to make exceptions for people who are just destroying and they can go through ranks faster. That said I think the belt system is a great way to point out road signs, and aren't just worthless potholes.
sorry for long msg, just trying to explain my view. Hope it makes sense.
Good point my friend.
That's why in Soviet Union (still kept in post-soviet countries) they created unified sport classification system (10 ranks total, but first 7 are the most crucial in terms of partition for competitions).
Like if you are third-class junior sportsman in boxing, sambo, wrestling or even swimming, you won't be competing in the same division with first-class junior sportsmen. So, there are no literal belts, but you can't jump ahead of the curve and get killed (they would give you a badge/pin though with each rank). For example, Petr Yan is Master of Sports in Boxing. Khabib is Master of Sports in Sambo. It's equivalent to a black belt rank in BJJ/Judo.
The same thing some sports have in US, like hockey. You can be in the U10 team, but there are C, B, A, AA, AAA divisions and it's based on skill level.
And I agree that if we could have that here in other combat sports, maybe it would rise its' hobbyist popularity. I always wanted to compete in MMA, so I decided I'd do one amateur fight at least. I started doing BJJ to focus on my ground game and I realized that I can much safely compete in BJJ until the rest of my life because of the belt and age divisions. In amateur MMA I could face some young kid who is aiming for UFC and can concuss me for good. So, I abandoned that idea and stayed with the grappling. But if we could have the same in boxing/mma, I wouldn't mind a few fights at relative Master 1 blue belt MMA competition.
@@AbsoluteADCC thank you for reply! I really wish for sport of boxing to have a better system and that sounds very much like what is needed. The current system is a joke and it's why imo we don't have many of our top athletes even trying boxing, there is not a realistic way or farm system to teach the younger generations.
I also think you're very smart to choose BJJ over risking the injuries you will get in boxing/mma, esp when you're not trying to make a living off of it. BJJ is very unique in that you can go 75%+ in training and sustain little damage if both you and partner respect taps and are honest with self.
I wish you the best!
As a master i am WELL aware of the difference between a 36 year old blue belt and a 20 year old blue. Mainly body composition and injury prevention (tapping way too soon on joint locks) Thanks for sharing your perspective, its one I don't get to hear in my everyday life and I love to hear your thoughts. It motivates me to be more consistent and less mediocre. 😂
Mainly Testosterone levels
I'm a 37 year old white belt and just got crushed by a young competitor whit belt half my size. I am a hobbyist and there is a big difference between a competitor and a hobbyist. I am happy to be an Uke and help him along his path as much as possible. We should never measure ourselves against others, just ourselves. Great comment OP.
100% agree....World Champ Blue Belts could tear up most Black Belt Coaches but without the knowledge and guidance from their old Master Black Belt coaches they could never be World Champs 🤔
Everyone in a successful academy plays a key role in the success of the champions within the academy.
Daisy Fresh is a great example of that!
“Masters are just happy to be there”. - 100%.
The day I won my world championship (nogi blue belt, master-hella old), I almost missed it because I had to unclog a sink in the bathroom and take my daughter to soccer. I love this sport, but I’m a husband and father first.
None of us think what we’re doing is remotely the same as kids winning in 80 person brackets.
In the 90’s amateur surf contests used to have two different divisions for all the age groups. Basically it is a hobbiest division and advanced (almost) pro division before you pro. Jiu Jitsu could benefit from two separate divisions for all belt levels. Andrew’s points are 💯 valid. Some people just don’t have what it takes, and are or not willing or just can’t put in the hours because of life circumstances. I think an evolution between the hobbiest/practitioner from the professional could make things clearer and more fun for the guy who likes train but has 9-5 and or family.
As martial arts evolve into two streams: sport and recreational these debates naturally develop. I am a HP coach in another martial art/sport and often have black belts from a recreational club come to try out for our team. I tell them that they can train with their black belt on but will have to start competing at a lower belt level or get KO'd and injured. Many are offended and do not come back, the ones that do end up doing well. I had one show up and I made him start competing at blue belt and ended up being a national champion and competed multiple times internationally as black belt. The main problem are the coaches/masters/professors in these recreational clubs have delusions of their own skills as a coach and push many of their unskilled students to compete to stroke their own egos. Then, if they have any students with skill they attempt to own them and not let them join a higher level team just to get PR and ego boost from these skilled students.
GREAT VIDEO. As a blue belt hobbits who sometimes competes at the masters 2 level, I definitely agree with this video.
Good vid, hopefully you start posting training/rolling stuff again soon! Some of my favourite bjj stuff on TH-cam
Coming soon! I just had to get into shape again first.
@@WiltseBrothers show us how u get into shape, I'm going to need knee surgery and I'm gonna need some tips.
Yes, please show content of you out of shape and how that progression evolves. I'd be curious to see your methods of improving cardio and how quickly it improves.
Totally agree Andrew - The bigger issue which is that fact that Sport BJJ uses martial arts grades to separate skill divisions, rather than basing it on results. Meaning that a blue belt could/should be fighting at purple based on their competition results, but may not be graded either due to IBJJF timeframes or because the instructor feels that the individual hasn't met their criteria for the next belt. I can't think of any non-martial arts sports where someone's progress in competition is held back for non-competition reasons.
And as for casual vs full time competitors - I'm a 2nd degree BB who trains BJJ as a hobby and I would get smashed by the blues at PSF or any competitive gym. None of my belts came with magic powers to stop skilled lower belts from wrecking me
I’m a 46 year old blue belt. I love getting in and rolling with everyone of every level. Some of the higher belts take it easy on me, some not so much. I love it just the same. I leave every class re energized.
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Great content.. miss ya on TH-cam .. makes some
More car talk!! Lol your the man
I'm a competitor at Masters 1 or 2 normally and I love it. It is so good that at my age 42 I can compete regularly.
These videos help me cut weight lol can sit in the sauna and forget I’m in there watching these lol thanks for these !!! And also ur right man I trained the hardest I’ve ever trained at purple went into a ibjjf match in the Boston open my first match was against Pedro machado he straight made me feel like a white belt and at the e time I was training 2 times a days for a few months still didn’t help lol mind u he just blew threw brown belt division
I think it would be really cool if IBJJF created a specific trial competition that was set up for competitors to contest their belt level. It could look something like fighting someone currently at the desired belt level to prove they deserve to be at the higher level. They could also bridge relationship with other organizations like the ADCC just with recognition to competitors and allow a crossover system. All based on actual competitive wins that are provable.
I appreciate this.
Thanks for these rants, I find your thoughtful responses very interesting.
btw I train at Unity, and I have no idea who this 14 year blue belt is. Never heard of them...
I do train with a 50 year old Masters world champion, who competed at a lower age bracket, (still Masters.)
They were trying to downplay their achievement as not important, but this example popped into my head to explain to them why I don't agree, and I just wanted to know what you thought.
Is a weight division world champion less valid than an open weight world champion? Is a lighter weight world champion not as important as a heavier weight one, since they wouldn't be as competitive in that division, ( on account of natural differences in size, strength, speed, weight etc.)?
So why would they compare themselves to younger people who, in part due to their age, have a completely different natural (or unnatural 💉) level of athleticism? My point is, the same way we have different weight divisions that matter equally, age divisions shouldn't make a Masters world title inherently less important than an adult one. It's just a different context. Thoughts?
Amazing stuff
If this were a discussion about something like football or baseball, there would be no debate. You can play all you want at local parks on weekends with buddies, but professional players will always exist in a whole different universe of skill and athleticism.
The only reason we get confused in JJ is because of the belts, and that’s mostly an ego thing. I’m a hobbyist, and eventually I’ll get my black belt as a matter of attrition. That does NOT mean I should or will think of myself as similarly skilled compared to a professional competitor. And that’s fine.
If we (JJ practitioners) can think of what we do in terms of the weekend-warrior vs professional athlete dynamic and accept that a black belt is not a black belt is not a black belt, most of the confusion would disappear.
I was thinking the same thing about the comparison to other sports like football and basketball. A more interesting example is boxing where you have no ranking outside of competition. You can have someone who won their local Golden Gloves get beaten by an unranked amateur and it happens all of the time.
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dude im 41 and i love listening to you talk bjj bec it a lot of this needs to be said
As a fellow black belt... ouch. But you are so right. If you haven't battle tested your technique you are missing a fundamental part of jiu jitsu.
Of course Andrew is 100% correct. Unlike virtually any sport, BJJ is a sport that allows average Joe's to sign up for a tournament where there may be professional competitors. While I might play recreationally, It would be silly for me to expect to walk onto a field in any other sport and believe I could compete with those who are more conditioned, athletic and dedicated full-time to their sport.
keep it up brother!
100%.....Years ago before IBJJF came not he scene when I started training/competing there was no requirement. My first instructor told me the standard was at every rank you win the worlds you should get promoted. Carlson promoted Vitor from blue to black. People get too caught up in the belts IMO.
I agree for the most part, but I bet you will be a really intense Masters roll mister Wiltse... I am 30 years old and I get more intense by the day... "casual" purple belt here.
I like the belt system if it aligns with integrity. I believe in structure but with exceptions for anomalies who come into the sport ie: Cole Abate, Nicky Rod etc. It seems that for the most part gym culture dictates how the belts work out and because of that we see huge differences from one gym to the next. Pay to play, Clout chasing, sandbagging etc. My professor is a high level competitor. He was the number 1 featherweight in IBBJF up until Worlds where he bumped to number 2. He is number 9 overall currently. He has a specific approach to belts thats mostly based from the IBBJ structure but its not beyond him that its clunky. The belt system works if its being used correctly but if I'm honest, thats few and far between and it's the dirty little secret in BJJ that always sprouts heated debate.
About the character limit on insta profiles, you can use a blue/purple/whatever diamond/heart emoji, so shouldn't be impossible to say what division you medalled in
I loved this video Andrew ty for sharing! I used to do these little videos in my car too just ranting for awhile it's really fun lol. Please do more :)
For sure there is a big difference between a recreational jiu-jitsu player and a competitor.
WTF your making alot of since, heres to the high level conversation/perspective.
Thanks for sharing Andrew. I do the same thing as you often. I'm really candid in my views & some people are so friggin hard headed they get angry if your view is even slightly different it's crazy lol
You are a very thoughtful person. Consider checking out Dan Mohler and Dave Smith. Not jiu jitsu related. Just good stuff. Almost thought I would unsubscribe looking at a 44 min vid I would never watch but this was great!
Mate if you look at the camera lens not the screen you'll look more engaging. Great content dude, big fan.
You made some great points, and I agree with a lot of it, but there also has to be some kind of guide line to go by. BTW, I'm not good at JJ, I'm a 47 year old purple belt with a lot of injuries, and yes, I have been stomped by lower (by competitive athletes) ranks before, but then again, don't belts kind of give us a standard to go by even if it isn't always perfect?
I’m a 38 yo female, blue belt with a job in healthcare 😂 I’m never going to be a competitor. However, I show my support to the competitors in the gym in person, as well as financially ❤ When we have young members traveling, many of us pull cash to help. That help matters! Being a team player, matters even though Jits is 1-1.
WE NEED PODCAST!!
Great it is pleasure to hear these words of wisdom, ppls do some more about toxic bjj macho culture
You seem to have some detailed opinions on Rener and Ryron Gracie schools (CTCs). I would be interested to hear your opinion
The belt is not Just about competing . Knowledge , contribution , etc . Is a global not Just one thing
What’s the difference between a world Champion blue belt any world champion black belt? What I mean is, is it a differentiation of the techniques used, like the blue belt just does stuff that is blue belt level, or does the blue belt world champion basically use all the same stuff as a black belt, just perhaps with less time spent overall?
On Meregali and coaches: sandbagging probably isn't a "competitor" issue and if it occurs is probably a school issue. People acting like Meregali's coach exonerates Meregali are half right, but that's only because it implicates them both.
And we definitely need to talk about the real issue on how you feel about Clay being ranked higher than you in Fuji national rankings lol
Things have changed (at least in the US). BJJ is different now. Most black belts started as adults and masters. A 16 year old blue belt could have been playing since they were 4 years old. Things have changed
I'm a hobbyist master purple belt "competitor". To me even the sandbagging at local tournaments argument doesn't hold up. I've beaten brown belts at the gym and got destroyed but blue belts. It's just a matter of who shows up to the tournament and if they are better, they are better
I think what Andrew is trying to get at is that belts are a relative skill ranking system. There are different buckets of person/athlete for each belt. A blue belt in bucket hardcore adult professional competitor is different than a blue belt in bucket beer belly hobbyist is different than a blue belt in bucket started-competing-at-4-at-world-class-gym. All are totally fine, but just because bucket A > bucket B does not make it sandbagging because within bucket A, the person is clearly a blue belt. At competitions, people from all buckets show up, so it looks like sandbagging when it's really just comparing different buckets.
Can you tell the story of the one guy who got kicked out of your gym?
When are we going to be able to buy that awesome windbreaker
Hi Andrew nice to meet you, can you do a video about smaller guys versus bigger guys in the gym. why what and what different situations that can happen And how can I use bigger guys in my training, Thank you very much Andrew you're amazing dude
I have often thought this about paid jujitsu we need to set it up like poker tournaments everyone comes pays a certain amount last man standing takes the pot
Do you guys bow before you enter the gym and bow to the the black belts? Is this the old school ways that you where talking about? I do feel weary at times doing these certain acts- requirements of respect.
We have a local blackbelt in the area that owns an Academy, he is in his 60s and he won a "world championship" in his weight class in masters ∞
He had literally 1 other guy in his division, it was a best of 3
50/50 shot one of them gets it
But every single shred of marketing this guy has says IBJJF WORLD CHAMPION
Best way to think of it is imagine that there's no belt system at all... people would never compare themselves to young professional full time athletes regardless of how long they've been in the sport
100% , like Helena Crevar competing at Blue in the when shes already beaten Brown and Black and when she competes at Blue she has virtually a 100% submission rate and when she doesent submit the score are 10-0 plus. her opponent doesn't stand a chance
Master 1 competitor here - 34 year old dad completely agrees with this. #Dad-jitsu #killaDadsJiujitsu
Please combine orange chicken with these rants.
That Unity kid hasn't been a blue belt for 14 years. He has been training 14 years total. He wasn't able to get his blue for a while because of the age limit but he has been a blue belt for like 4 years or something. Still a long time but not as absurd as 14 years
You got evidence?
Sandbagging is only a problem at a non professional/athlete level. I Think that local sandbaggers are annoying and should be there, but at the high level, one year each belt should be more than enough, cause if someone bulldoze everybody at blue belt, promote the sob, he deserves. People sometimes try to compare themselves as non-athletes to athletes, but its two different worlds. Also IBJJF age rules should change, Mica Galvão had the problem of not being able to compete because he wasn't 19 yet (and already had received his black belt), and the ones that lost with that situation were the fans and the sport, cause there is one incredible guy less pushing the pro-level forward. Hope to see you vs Mica at WNO!
Whats your opinion on the old school traditions of martial arts (specifically BJJ) in regards to respect? AKA bowing when getting on the mat, lining up in belt order, etc.
I think it is good structure and respect building. Let's not forget that a lot of people who just start have an ego to lose and I think steps like that can be helpful in building a "more than yourself" type of attitude. That being said my gym doesn't do that much at all because it is an MMA focused gym. Hello from Syndicate MMA in Las Vegas.
Big fan and will make it out there sometime this year.
Based on the toxic nonsense I've seen from gyms, that stuff absolutely doesn't build respect. Respect is more than sitting to the left of someone and bowing before getting on the mats. I also don't really think bjj helps people with egos. I think of good practitioners I personally know and they are not humble dudes - I'm not saying they should be, BUT bjj definitely doesn't naturally instill respect and humility.
@@aplus1080 I would fully disagree on egos. Not everyone may get that benefit but realizing you can be manhandled is a humbling experience in and of itself. It is a large part of the drop off from white to blue which is the biggest drop off from what I have heard. Once you get past that level I think you re-acquire some of it as you push for higher competition but I haven't seen a ton of bad culture to begin with so I may just be lucky or oblivious.
For the respect, I feel having to do "acts of respect" may not always translate but with a good gym culture I think they can further improve respect. It reminds me of the military in some way. You salute the rank, not the man kinds of thing (yes I just quoted BoB). I haven't really been at a gym that does them (between the 4 gyms I have been through) so I don't have the best first hand knowledge. 3 of those 4 gyms were quite good IMO the other was ran by kids practically so it lacked maturity and was filled with bad vibes. I left quickly. I may be missing context because they are not the largest and most competitive gyms in the BJJ space. Many of them were more MMA focused and I don't do MMA. Most of the MMA guys were nice as well though. It is like, bad gyms won't suddenly be good because you bow and good gyms will be good regardless of whether you bow, but does bowing have a mental effect and if so is it positive generally? I was wondering.
Anyway, hope you found a good gym.
Can you pls make a video on traditional jiu jitsu (kron/Roger) vs new sport jiu jitsu.
What do you think of Neil Melanson's stuff? He's a pretty successful instructor on BJJ fanatics and I've bought a few of his instructionals. I've picked up the odd gem of insight here and there but thinking about what you've said (which makes perfect sense) - I'm not aware of him having really competed, or having produced any high level students etc... is he selling karate? (love that comparison btw)
Micheal Chandler,randy couture Victor Belfort chapel sonnen all trained under him he was also head grappling coach at blackzillans he has a mma focus great coach
Smart young guy
Wildest thing I've heard in this video was that the IBJJF doesn't give you your feed back if you win.
🙏 logic
Andrew what would you consider about casual competitors, people who are above hobbiest, compete a a handful of times a year, but don't put in the work or compete enough to be considered a serious competitor?
They're awesome? Not everyone needs to be a hyper competitive psychopath.
Thanks for the reply I know that was sort of an easy answer I was just curious about that cause I totally get all your points and the end of the video answered it too. I compete in masters and never once do I not know Adult is a way harder and tougher bracket.