This was fascinating, thank you. I’m “grateful” the book was so badly written, because it has kept me from ever wanting to go back to AA and have to listen to it be read over and over and over again.
I like that line from the AA big book, “common sense would thus become uncommon sense.” Nonsense, the whole thing. Vic-Great job at shining light on the fact that the unfortunate things we experience in AA today, are rooted in its founding. You do a great service to mankind by dispelling myths.
This may be one of my favorite videos. I heard about 6 years in that Wilson willed his royalties from that book to his surviving mistress. It was presented to me in such a way that I was expected to have an open mind and be tolerant. But when thus same I person preaches for us to be selfless and write endless self inventories, while he is bo*nking around, well it just makes me sick. Your account of the transactions is just mind boggling. 😮😮😮😮
In 1963, Wilson got into it with the AA board, over wanting them to give 10% of his royalties to his mistress, Helen Wynn. At first, they balked, but then begrudgingly agreed to it. But bring that up at any AA meeting, and see the reception you'll get. It'll either be denied, or, as you said, explained away as something for which he shouldn't be condemned for. And apparently, his wife, Lois, only found out about it, after his death. Wynn died, only a few years after Wilson, so one wonders what heir to her estate is still netting 10% of those royalties.
I have actually seen them say, "Well Bill was only human after all" Funny, AA members expect newcomers and sponsees to be 100% perfect. But, if one of the esteemed elders or Bill W is mentioned, then it becomes "Well none of us are perfect" and "We are all sick in here"
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 What surprises me, is that no effort was made to prove that Wilson's estate fraudulently obtained royalty payments. It actually would owe millions. When Wilson died, in '71, he was reportedly worth about $2 million ($15 million, in today's money).
@shannonFreng I recall the AA office in NYC organizing a special squad. This squad was supposed to keep women away from Bill, as his numerous affairs were being noticed.
I got much the same reaction, when I'd ask some of them, "What was it that it says. in your cult's manifesto?" They'd get majorly choked and start getting insulting. I'd then ask if they weren't acting contrary to what they preached, and that if they were going to react so vehemently, if that also didn't point toward there being some doubt about its validity. It smack's of that quote from Hamlet: "Methinks the lady doth protest, too much." That's the angle to attack them on. if their cult is not a cult, then why do they seem to have to get so adamant that it isn't?
@GODemon13 Here's another similarly between "Captain Ron" and Bill Wilson. Both men were at one point in their lives, involved with the occult. Captain Ron was involved with Thelema ( the magickal system started by Aleister Crowley) and was a magickal partner with Jack Parsons (founder of Jet Propulsion Laboratories). Ron also cheated Parsons out of money, a boat, and his wife. Funny how all these cults come down to women and money.
Enjoyed the info. I always thought that the changing of the stories was to carryover whatever copyright existed on the big book. So much confusion about so much in AA. Any reasonable thinking person will have never ending fodder for laughter if they only remove their blinders like the program tells them to.
Excellent information and video, mate. "The Hundred Men Corporation", eh? Good Lord, weren't they barely forty in actual number? Unca Bill couldn't even name his business with any honesty. What a scumbag. Keep 'em coming.
@@greatest7391 Yes, there is a plethora of documentation to Wilson's ongoing reprobation (which AA still tries to keep buried). But apparently, they fucked up and let the cat out of the bag, by granting these various writers full access to the AA archives--something they obviously regretted, upon hindsight. All that LSD shit got finally revealed, in 1979. So much for their much vaunted maxim, regarding honesty. Oh well, as Doug Stanhope opined: "AA makes Scientology look credible," ha, ha!
Notice the reverence Steppers have for this book. One could argue, it borders on idolatry. What's amazing with the internet, is that AA still brings people in, who aren't court ordered to attend.
In point of fact, I actually found it amusing, when I'd hear some of these clerics condemning AA, almost to the point of treating it, as if it were Satanic, ha, ha! Especially, since AA is obviously just thinly disguised evangelicalism, anyway, though they're loath to admit such.
Unfortunately, it's really not surprising. He saw a niche market and exploited it by cutting out contributors. This was no benevolent mission for him. His own ego that the big book says everyone else should temper was enormous. No doubt he screwed over many people in this scam that is still going on to this day.
You seem like a super smart guy. You should get involved in sales. You have a great voice and with a a few suits. You’d do well in real estate, or another sales position.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 Ha, ha! I never saw that movie. My experience with salesmen was at this car dealership I worked at. Once the customers were out of earshot, the salesmen would all say denigrating things about them. Like how they conned them into buying all this extra coverage and shit like that, and how stupid they were etc. One time, this salesman was going on about how stupid and gullible this one older customer was. But this was when the guy he was talking about--a senior citizen guy--walked in, and heard the whole spiel. He was behind the guy who was saying all this. At one point, this salesman wondered why all the other salesmen suddenly went silent, looking behind him. He turned around, only to see the guy he was shit talking about, standing there. This other guy was their best customer, so needless to say, the guy got fired.
Thank you I am Lakota Sioux been sober 18 months I have been passing off tha Old Timers about Sponsership..A'HO INIT Amen
This was fascinating, thank you. I’m “grateful” the book was so badly written, because it has kept me from ever wanting to go back to AA and have to listen to it be read over and over and over again.
I like that line from the AA big book, “common sense would thus become uncommon sense.” Nonsense, the whole thing.
Vic-Great job at shining light on the fact that the unfortunate things we experience in AA today, are rooted in its founding. You do a great service to mankind by dispelling myths.
Maybe they were drunk, when they wrote it.
I just heard a whole bunch of people's heads explode at my previous AA club with this episode!!😅😂
Thank you for all your work brother
Keep at it you deserve a million followers
This may be one of my favorite videos. I heard about 6 years in that Wilson willed his royalties from that book to his surviving mistress. It was presented to me in such a way that I was expected to have an open mind and be tolerant. But when thus same I person preaches for us to be selfless and write endless self inventories, while he is bo*nking around, well it just makes me sick.
Your account of the transactions is just mind boggling. 😮😮😮😮
In 1963, Wilson got into it with the AA board, over wanting them to give 10% of his royalties to his mistress, Helen Wynn. At first, they balked, but then begrudgingly agreed to it. But bring that up at any AA meeting, and see the reception you'll get. It'll either be denied, or, as you said, explained away as something for which he shouldn't be condemned for. And apparently, his wife, Lois, only found out about it, after his death. Wynn died, only a few years after Wilson, so one wonders what heir to her estate is still netting 10% of those royalties.
I have actually seen them say, "Well Bill was only human after all" Funny, AA members expect newcomers and sponsees to be 100% perfect. But, if one of the esteemed elders or Bill W is mentioned, then it becomes "Well none of us are perfect" and "We are all sick in here"
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 What surprises me, is that no effort was made to prove that Wilson's estate fraudulently obtained royalty payments. It actually would owe millions. When Wilson died, in '71, he was reportedly worth about $2 million ($15 million, in today's money).
@shannonFreng
I recall the AA office in NYC organizing a special squad. This squad was supposed to keep women away from Bill, as his numerous affairs were being noticed.
@@RobotClean138-lx1bo The 'Founder's Watch.'
I always refer to that literary abortion as “that book” which tends to piss many people off. Mission accomplished!
I got much the same reaction, when I'd ask some of them, "What was it that it says. in your cult's manifesto?" They'd get majorly choked and start getting insulting. I'd then ask if they weren't acting contrary to what they preached, and that if they were going to react so vehemently, if that also didn't point toward there being some doubt about its validity. It smack's of that quote from Hamlet: "Methinks the lady doth protest, too much." That's the angle to attack them on. if their cult is not a cult, then why do they seem to have to get so adamant that it isn't?
Why am I not surprised to see so many parallels here between AA and Scientology? Hubbard also used a lot of other writers and never gave them credit.
@GODemon13
Here's another similarly between "Captain Ron" and Bill Wilson. Both men were at one point in their lives, involved with the occult. Captain Ron was involved with Thelema ( the magickal system started by Aleister Crowley) and was a magickal partner with Jack Parsons (founder of Jet Propulsion Laboratories). Ron also cheated Parsons out of money, a boat, and his wife. Funny how all these cults come down to women and money.
Excellent video, Vic!
Enjoyed the info. I always thought that the changing of the stories was to carryover whatever copyright existed on the big book. So much confusion about so much in AA. Any reasonable thinking person will have never ending fodder for laughter if they only remove their blinders like the program tells them to.
I'd think the program rather advocated the wearing of blinders.
Excellent information and video, mate. "The Hundred Men Corporation", eh? Good Lord, weren't they barely forty in actual number? Unca Bill couldn't even name his business with any honesty. What a scumbag.
Keep 'em coming.
Bill W must have had amazing steps 4 and 9. The papers are probably in a safe in the basement of his house.
One would have expected the powers that be, at AA, would have long ago burned all such incriminating papers.
He actually gave up on the steps after 5 years and started experimenting with LSD to get a "spiritual awakening" that he couldn't get with his steps.
@@greatest7391 Yes, there is a plethora of documentation to Wilson's ongoing reprobation (which AA still tries to keep buried). But apparently, they fucked up and let the cat out of the bag, by granting these various writers full access to the AA archives--something they obviously regretted, upon hindsight. All that LSD shit got finally revealed, in 1979. So much for their much vaunted maxim, regarding honesty. Oh well, as Doug Stanhope opined: "AA makes Scientology look credible," ha, ha!
Con man selling a con. So glad I got out. I was in 2.5 years or as I say 2 years to long
Vic, that Orange Papers link, you provided in the description, got marked as a malicious sight, by my Norton security.
That does not surprise me in the least. I am not sure why these sites stay so fucked up.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 Don't know, brother.
Thank you sir
This would be hilarious if it wasn't so evil
Yup Bill W. was shady af
Notice the reverence Steppers have for this book. One could argue, it borders on idolatry. What's amazing with the internet, is that AA still brings people in, who aren't court ordered to attend.
@@RobotClean138-lx1bo Some Christian organizations condemn AA for advocating idolatry. I'm a pragmatic agnostic, but I can see their point.
In point of fact, I actually found it amusing, when I'd hear some of these clerics condemning AA, almost to the point of treating it, as if it were Satanic, ha, ha! Especially, since AA is obviously just thinly disguised evangelicalism, anyway, though they're loath to admit such.
Unfortunately, it's really not surprising. He saw a niche market and exploited it by cutting out contributors. This was no benevolent mission for him. His own ego that the big book says everyone else should temper was enormous. No doubt he screwed over many people in this scam that is still going on to this day.
Indubitably! He reminds me of Ryan O'Neal's character, in the movie 'Paper Moon.'
The book is incoherent psycho babble
You seem like a super smart guy. You should get involved in sales. You have a great voice and with a a few suits. You’d do well in real estate, or another sales position.
Name this movie quote, "Fuck you, that's my name!". The best movie about sales.
@@RobotClean138-lx1bo Glengarry Glen Ross.
PUT THAT COFFEE DOWN ! THAT COFFEE IS FOR CLOSERS ! YOU THINK I'M FUCKING WITH YOU ?
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 Ha, ha! I never saw that movie. My experience with salesmen was at this car dealership I worked at. Once the customers were out of earshot, the salesmen would all say denigrating things about them. Like how they conned them into buying all this extra coverage and shit like that, and how stupid they were etc.
One time, this salesman was going on about how stupid and gullible this one older customer was. But this was when the guy he was talking about--a senior citizen guy--walked in, and heard the whole spiel. He was behind the guy who was saying all this. At one point, this salesman wondered why all the other salesmen suddenly went silent, looking behind him. He turned around, only to see the guy he was shit talking about, standing there. This other guy was their best customer, so needless to say, the guy got fired.
@@ShannonFreng I think you would like it. It is a dialogue driven insanity of the sales industry :)
The only book as awful as the “Big BooK? Has to be “Dr Bob and the Old Timers “. Yawn feast! 😂
By far that book is the biggest pile of shit 😂
12 AND 12 HAS DONE MORE DAMAGE, THOUGH