The Samurai vs. Conquistador Battles
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Armored conquistadors venture into Asia and battle against the famed samurai of Japan. These engagements include the Portuguese 1565 battle at Fukuda Bay and the Spanish 1582 Cagayan battles, in the Philippines. There are myths and counter-myths commonly spread about the Cagayan battles, which I’ve explained a bit here: docs.google.com/document/d/11...
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Blair, E. H., & Robertson, J. A. (1903). The Philippine Islands, 1493-1803 (Vol. 34). Clark. The "Province of Cagayan" section includes the Relation of the Philipinas account, believed to be written within five years of the battle.
Ibid. (Vol. 5). Clark. Retrieved 2022, from www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/.... Includes accounts from Juan Baptista Roman and the Governor Gonzalo Ronquillo de Peñalosa, the two primary sources closest to the Cagayan battle
Ibid. (Vol. 30). Clark. Includes the Aduarte (1640) account of Cagayan. Likely not very trustworthy with regard to specific details, but the notes on Filipino opposition to both Japanese and Spanish presence are an interesting insight gathered from here.
Borao, J. E. (2005). La colonia de japoneses en Manila en el marco de las relaciones de Filipinas y Japón en los siglos XVI y XVII. Cuadernos Canela, (17), 25-53. In Spanish.
Boxer, C. R. (1968). Fidalgos and Samurai. In Fidalgos in the Far East: 1550-1770 (2nd ed., pp. 29-47). essay, Oxford Univ. Press.
Hesselink, R. H. (2016). Part One: Founding Fathers (1561-1586). In The Dream of Christian Nagasaki: World trade and the Clash of Cultures, 1560-1640 (pp. 19-74). essay, McFarland & Company, Inc., Publishers.
Turnbull, S. R. (2021). The lost samurai: Japanese mercenaries in South East Asia, 1593-1688. Frontline Books.
Turnbull, S. R., & Hook, R. (2012). Pirate of the Far East 811-1639. Osprey Publishing.
Zaragoza, J., Barrantes, V., Gonzalez de Vera, F., & Jiménez de la Espada, M. (1877). Datos biograficos. In Cartas de Indias (pp. 734-735). essay, Minsterio de Fomento de España. Section on Juan Pablo de Carrion which names "Tay Zufu" as the Japanese pirate leader in the Philippines.
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I do stuff with history/archeology channels on Mesoamerica (Aztec, Maya, etc): There were 100% soldiers from Mesoamerican states participating in Spanish campaigns in the Philippines (and elsewhere in the Americas: Maya soldiers participated in Spanish conquests of the Inca in the Andes, and various groups in Spanish campaigns and founding colonies up in Texas and perhaps as far north as the Canadian border). Actual Mesoamerican stuff more my interest then the Spanish stuff but as a quick example, there are two documents in the same volume, one from pension request from a Spanish veteran in 1624, another a 1630 petition from the Cabildo of Tlaxcala (which was a notable Mesoamerican city-state and kingdom, the city actually being a republic ruled via a senate, and were probably the most important party in the fall of the Aztec's alongside Corte's expedition and the Aztec city of Texcoco) which discusses Tlaxcalteca soldiers recruited for a 1603 campaign in the Philippines, where apparently the Tlaxcalteca men were being mistreated by Spanish officers.
There is WAY more documentation on Mesoamerican troops participating in various Spanish campaigns and colonial efforts in the 16th and 17th centuries (later too, if you wanna consider them "Mesoamerican" rather then just Mexican that far after), but I'd need to dig into sources to provide more, since again, my thing is more Mesoamerican politics, city planning, architecture, water mangement systems, warfare, etc then Spanish campaigns and colonialism.... but hey, if you guys ever do episodes on Mesoamerican conflicts (We have a lot more documentation then you'd think on say wars between different Maya, Zapotec, etc states, or campaigns run by the Aztec Empire) or the Spanish conquest, I'd be down to help, time permitting! , if you wanna messag me on twitte, I'm Majora__Z
you don't need to point out any evidence since he's already a known fact. 99.9% of the troops that fought the aztec were other native americans who alligned themselves with the spanish because they were sick of being taxed and sacrificed by them.
@@ryennfilms6429 Nah, that's actually a misconception, the real reason Cortes (made alliances with so many local states in Mesoamerica is actually because the Aztec (and other kingdoms, empires) were HANDS OFF, not because they were oppressive: Due to the rough geography and a lack of draft animals, large states in Mesoamerica were fairly hands off, without the direct management and administration of subjects, founding of colonies, and instituting of a unified national/cultural identity: Political power was cemented more through fragile tax/tributary and vassal relationships, flaunting your military might, economic success, and ties to other legendary civilizations and kings to get states to align with you and suck up with political marriages, etc. Obviously, Eurasian polities did these too, and there still WAS some examples of more hands on imperialism in Mesoamerica.
But hands off and indirect imperialism and methods of establishing political power which much more the norm and were more fundamental in statecraft in the latter then the former. The Aztec Empire was no exception here, and it's primary goal in expansionism was to gain resource rich states as tax-subjects to extract goods and luxuries without expending direct effort, with those states keeping their rulers, laws, and customs and mostly being left alone, as long as they did pay those economic goods as taxes, didn't block roads, provided military aid on request, and other basic obligations.,etc. The Aztec were not coming in and raiding existing subjects (unless they incited others to stop paying taxes), nor were slaves or sacrifices a common tax/tribute demand: Sacrifices were generally from enemy soldiers captured during wars, and sacrifice itself was also a pan-mesoamerican practice every civilization in the region did, not just the Aztec.
Accordingly, what was really going on, as much or more then Cortes manipulating local states, was local kings and officials manipulating Cortes to benefit their own political ambitions: In a political system where subjects mostly stayed independent, they had the motivations and the capacity to secede, backstab, and preform coups opportunistically to sway or cause the house of cards they held up that their capitals rested on to collapse, so they could advance politically. Especially by allying or pledging themselves to another group (since again, as a subject they had little to lose) to then work together to take out existing political rivals or capitals, to then be in a position of higher standing in the aftermath. (The Aztec Empire itself was founded this way in the late 1420s) . For example, the city of Cempoala (and it's king Xicomecoatl), the capital of one of 3 major kingdoms of the Totonac civilization, and a recent conquered subject of the Aztec, lied to Cortes about there being an Aztec fort oppressing them at Tzinpantzinco, which was really a rival Totonaca capital city.
They then led the Conquistadors into the territory of Tlaxcala, one of the states in Central Mexico the Aztec hadn't manage to conquer yet, and which the Totonacs were hostile with. When the Tlaxcaltecas and the Conquistadors fought to a standstill and allied with one another (with different Tlaxcalteca officials like Xicotencatl I, Xicotencatl II, disagreeing on what to do, later on Xicotencatl II would end up being executed when a rival Tlaxcalteca politician got Cortes to execute him) en route to Tenochtitlan (as Tlaxcala was an active target of Aztec invasions and DID have resentment towards the Aztec), they stopped in Cholula, where the Tlaxcaltecas fed Cortes rumors of them planning to assassinate the visitors, and it just so happens that the Tlaxcaltecas end up propping up a pro-Tlaxcalteca political faction after they and the Conquistadors sack the city, after Cholula had recently switched from being aligned with Tlaxcala to the Aztec. Finally arriving at Tenochtitlan, Moctezuma II allows them into the city: Flaunting the grandeur of your city and it's opulence was a common method of courting a foreign state into becoming a vassal or an ally (to say nothing of the princesses they gave to high ranking conquistadors, an attempt at political marriages the Conquistadors mistook as offerings of concubines). When Pánfilo de Narváez arrived, who actually was sent by the governor of Cuba to arrest Cortes as he had been out on his expedition illegally, Narvaez actually worked with Aztec officials to get capture Cortes, since by this point they realized Cortes wasn't a licensed diplomat representing a foreign king.
It is only after 1. Cortes panics, Moctezuma II and other Aztec rulers and officials get captured, locked up (Cortes of course claims this happened earlier and he was always in control) and then are killed; 2. the Aztec nobles and elite warriors are killed while unarmed during a religious festival; 3. smallpox broke out, and 4. the Conquistadors and Tlaxcalteca flee back to safety; that then other core-Aztec states inside the valley like Texcoco (the second most powerful Aztec city), Chalco, Xochimilco, Itzpalapan, etc ally with Cortes. Because by then, Tenochtitlan was weak, vulnerable due to it losing it's elite soldiers, its king (always a period in Mesoamerican history where subjects would stop paying taxes and see what they could get away with untill the new ruler re-asserted their military power), and struck by plague. Furthermore, these also made Tenochtitlan unable to project it's power and wield its political authority; and by extension, said core subject states inside the valley didn't benefit as much from the tax influx into the area (which was secured by the threat of retaliation if taxes weren't paid, something currently jeopardized) or their political marriages with Tenochtitlan at the moment, de-valuing their close relationship with it. (Ixtlilxochitl II of Texcoco also had a grudge against the Mexica of Tenochtitlan, as in a recent war of succession after the prior Texcoca king died, the Mexica favored a competing heir as the claimant to the throne, so when the Conquistadors and Tlaxcalteca returned to the valley to siege Tenochtitlan, Ixtlilxochitl II, who had split power with other heirs, sided with Cortes wheras other Texcoca royals sided with Tenochtitlan)
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I honestly would have allied with the Spaniards to defeat the Aztecs if I had been alive back then
I also really like the hispanic construction of viceroyalties
Actually as a Mexican I'm pro Spanish empire
Thank you so much for sharing this interesting insight! Greetings from México!
a lot of Mexicans and Latin Americans moved to the Philippines via the Manila-Acapulco galleon trade particularly on major port cities in Batangas and Pampamga.
There's a town called Mexico (Masicu) in Pampamga, formerly Nuevo Mexico. The Pinar del Rio province in Cuba was previously known as Nueva Filipinas. There's a significant Filipino genepool of inhabitants of Mexico's Guerrero province.
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I think this is controvers the Metatron have made a Video abou the same topic !
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"A conquistador refutes the 'Metatron''s video on Samurais VS Spaniards"
See also "A Spanish conquistador puts accusers of genocide in their place (con subtítulos)."
This is not even in our history books, Japanese and Chinese are reffered to as traders while Spaniards are the conquerors. This channel never fails to amaze me with nice looking art, but stories narrated in an awesome manner.
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@@Christian-ge3js Modern history of the 15th century (2005 edition)
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One of my favorite historical events with the Spanish venturing thru Southeast Asia. Interesting enough, this is one that in my eyes is not well known, but overall its incredible.
In addition, i learned from my mothers side of the family that Juan Pablo de Carrion is one of my ancestors.
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Great content! The 1582 Cagayan Battles are an event not known to many here within the Philippines, which is also perhaps one of few instances (including the attack in 1565 at Fukuda Bay, Japan) when Conquistadores and the Japanese Samurai fought each other, like two different worlds meeting with differences in weaponry, tactics, and ships.
It's also good that the diversity of the Wokou Raiders were emphasised in the video, since some think it's mostly a Japanese force, but it was multi-ethnic, composed of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and some native Filipinos. The Chinese were known for piracy in this region, attacking the Spanish colonial center of Manila in 1574 that led to the death of veteran conquistador Martin de Goiti.
Superb art too. It illustrated many of the narrations in the video, and I appreciate that it's true to the environment and setting of the historical account, which gave life to the story.
Yep i've never met anyone in the PH who knows about this.
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Yeah, it was never taught in schools at all, and perhaps, like some of us, learned it on our own. The first century of Spanish colonisation in the country was marked by a constant state of vulnerability (constant attacks by raiders and other colonial powers) which was not emphasised much in history classes.
@@DanielLee_2304 It's OK hard to keep on everything in the past, even I as a Brit didn't know we captured Manila from the Spanish and held it for 2 years.
Only found that out recently.
But yeah the lack of Historical sites/markers/monuments/battlefields in the PH is a bit disappointing.
Was in Cebu about 3 years ago , been there several times and on that visit the Lapu-Lapu statute was in poor condition and he's literally the most famous Historical figure i can think of.
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Yes, I have noticed that too. There's a lack of markers for some historical events, and some markers are also usually obscured by things or people within sidewalks, you wouldn't know if you check carefully. The historical organization should really maintain these markers, like the one in Cebu you mentioned.
@@DanielLee_2304 In the UK there are many local/regional/national organizations responsible for maintaining and promoting various aspects of the UK's history.
Not sure what organizations exist in the PH though.
Yep hard to find things when they covered by signs/dirt/graffitti in urban areas ☹☹
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As someone who studies Portuguese history in college, I have never heard or referred to our explorers as "conquistadores", but both are very similar so it is easy to understand this. I have heard the term "Aventureiros" more often which describes the military wing of seafaring gentry that fought in the terço-like formation that was adapted from the original Spanish formation, although this terminology was adopted in a later stage of the discoveries, but it was pretty much already established by the time Portugal had arrived to China.
Well ofc they called themselves adventurers and explorers, but were in fact thieves & conquerors. :D
@@SilverforceX Thieves as in trading precious resources that the natives had little to no use of in exchange for materials and tools that were, to us, cheap and disposable but to them were vital for grazing and working the land, most of the slaves that were acquired came from native warlords who sold them to portuguese traders (we were just taking advantage of an institution that was present and had already existed for hundreds of years since antiquity). As for conquerors, excluding the Feitoria system, mostly towards Africa and Brazil, albeit Brazil was in a later stage, it was a military scale operation, yes we were conquerors much like how any other european kingdom would've delighted themselves in taking that land for themselves.
@@SilverforceX And the pirates called themselves the liberators of your purses!
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@@luisduarte7917 oh But we do in fact we have a lot more than you since we were in more wars also you are just our backyard there is literally nothing to see in Portugal that you cant see in Spain we literally have the same architectury and we also share the same origins in history
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@@ranbojd1070 that’s an interesting perspective. *portuguese. Always someone like yourself with poor response and class.
Good video as always, it's quite entertaining to remember history classes at school. One of the books that speaks specifically about the history of the Combats of Cagayan (battles between Japanese, Chinese, Korean warriors, etc; against Spanish [Novo-Hispanic/Mexican {Tlaxcalan, Mexica, Otomi, etc}] and European soldiers [Leon, Castilian, Granada, etc]) is called Espadas del fin del mundo (2016) by the authors Ángel Miranda and Juan Aguilera.
Fui a ver, parece super bueno
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Absolutely fascinating. This shows the level of colonial competition between European powers at this time too.
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Cannot wait for the matchup of two of the coolest historical warriors
I wouldn't exactly call conquistador cool*, because the way they dress is focused on functionality.
But they're powerful force in their own right, like janissaries & minutemen or french legion.
@@shycracker being functional doesn’t make you “uncool”
@@shycracker the twisted logic you have is very interesting.......
@@shycracker Armor's always bases on functionality. Both would be cool, man.
@@shycracker nah, they're cool, I love their helmets
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Awesome video! I hope you guys make a video about the brutal conquest of the Taino by Columbus. The story of Hatuey is not that well known, and Bartolome de Las Casas's account of the conquest would provide more details.
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I can tell you Las Casas exaggerated numbers and he made natives pay to defend them. Colón wasn't the one to mistreat tainos, but Ponce de León who ended up dying in jail in Spain
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Well, this is surprising. Samurais vs. Conquistadores. I will preprare my popcorn for this 😎🍿
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Hey great video as always. You ever considered doing a video on Harald Hardrada’s life? It’s pretty interesting and I think you guys would definitely do it justice.
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@@HistoryDose Great to hear man looking forward to it
Such a rich period of history, would love to see more media be if games or tv shows made about the Philippines at this particular time
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Also, who does your artwork? Do they do commission work?
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some of those who fought against Spanish forces in the Philippines might have been fallen samurai yes but mostly are foot soldiers or ashigaru who were both pikemen and musket riflemen who were lighter armor and their iconic hats. There's a statue of a famous Chinese pirate whose crew mispronouncing a native word for a clam my local area's name came to be that way. Limahong's ambitious to even try to take over Philippines with his pirate fleet (lol but why though? they didn't start as privateers as some did in the Americas before going into piracy, they really did do pirate stuff harassing their local areas though they were essentially pushed out, in the seas of South East Asia it was China who had the biggest and best fleet of their time or even their sailing tech, so fighting against at least remnant tech would've been a great experience).