I empathize with the nurse. Im a nurse and the amount of hyper-religiosity is wild. How do you graduate from nursing school, biological science based learning, and believe creation over evolution?
The last time I was with a doctor to get my ingrown toenail removed, I tried to thank the doctor, and he said thanks be to God, the physician of physicians. At that point, I was thinking, "If God could have healed my ingrown toenail, I wouldn't need you"
Saying this as a scientist in healthcare (bachelor’s degree but my title is medical lab scientist) healthcare professionals that don’t go on to get doctorates many times don’t get a whole lot of education in evolution amongst other animals because they focus heavily on human biology, so they don’t really have a firm grasp on the full scale of evolution. Education in a field of science will not always include evolution among species, and many nurses often don’t get that kind of education as it is not relevant to their practice. My field was much more immersive into evolutionary biology so I got a firmer grasp of it during my education.
Black atheist here. I've always said I became an atheist around the age of 8 during catheism, because it made no sense and a nun lied to me, when I asked either one of two questions how do we know any of this is true or how do we know Jesus really lived. I knew she lied and she didn't believe any of it either and so that was it. But when I think about it, I was born Atheist and was never indoctrinated and simply made a decision that I didn't believe that day. Anyway, I don't believe my mom was religious in any way, but my dad was from a Catholic country and because my mother was ambivalent about religion she was willing to go along with what he wanted to do - which was basically for both of them to send me and my older brother to catechism and church - alone - and that was it. There was zero religious discussions in the house other than occasionally, later in life when we were poorer after my parents divorce, my mom would sometimes say she felt angels were looking out for her, but she never mentioned God or Jesus or anything. We lived with my grandparents, also non-religious. They were very moral and ethical people. My grandmother had some trauma in her life so she tended to be strict with us kids but my grandfather was just a lovely man. I learned how to be and I think I always innately was a good person with no desire to hurt others. I grew up around so many non-religious relatives that I was shocked to learn that a cousin actually belonged to a church. Her mom had passed away and she invited us to go to a repast at her church. Later on when my brother passed away, she called me obstensively to give me condolences, but actually offended me by telling me that if my brother hadn't accepted Jesus Christ in his life he was not in heaven. I still fume at that. I noticed on Facebook that her children often post religious platitudes. I'm assuming she became religious and then the her daughters and granddaughters were sucked into believing. Regarding Martin Luther King, I couldn't stand him. I remember when I was in 3rd grade I just couldn't stand him and the idea of praying while people brutalized you. Like the entire idea of getting on your knees and praying made zero sense to me. I have a little more respect for him now; but the religiosity of his movement, I guess, made it go down a lot better and he knew what he was doing as an activist. Anyway, I am APPALLED that black people, for the most part, embrace Christianity. I really have difficulty understanding why anyone would embrace a God that has been shaped into the image of people who hate them. I don't get it. I would much prefer that black people embrace science and math and evolution and facts. Religion is one way of just keeping people in ignorance, of manipulating them. It is a method in which the gullible can be made to believe anything. I'm 71 years old, female black, straight and it was only in the last decade that I actually sought atheist material. Mostly because it was during the Obama years that really brought to fore for me how hateful Christians are. As we've all become aware, it is not a religion anymore; it is a political statement and stance and a hateful one. If there was anything that turned me off from religion, and I've always been turned off from it, it is certainly Christians of today. We're out there but we're hard to find as atheist, unlike christians, do not go around declaring or unbelief. We don't knock on doors and we don't bring it up in casual conversation. So it's very hard to recognize us, and we, each other. 🤷🏽♀️
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is opium of the people." - Karl Marks
Karl Marx ....sorry for the error; I was in a hurry to get this quote to you, and I misspelled the last name of Karl Marx. I have questioned the tenets of the Bible since I was 17; I'm 72 now, and I realize that I, a 72 year old, male, black and straight, am atheist. I came to this moment through my studies of Ancient Egyptian (Kemetic) culture, cosmology/theology, religious/spiritual traditions and world history. When I saw the truth in the statement, "Religion drives culture.",shown to me through historical time-lines of culture from over 9,500 years ago, I knew that everything that I was taught about doctrines ,tenets, religion as a whole, was a bold-faced LIE. I can't blame my parents because they only knew what was passed down to them from their ankhestors, who, in turn, were indoctrinated, most times forcefully and brutally, by their slave masters. In our current culture, being atheist is tantamount to being anathematized by the Roman Catholic Church. Because our people are the most spiritual beings on earth, being atheist puts a double whammy on the situation. In spite of these threats to my ( and your) sanity and peace of mind, I choose atheism. To quote Jack Webb, from the television series Dragnet, "....just the facts,ma'am, just the facts.".
57 year old black man here. Great post! And I agree %1000. You are correct in that we are hard to find and identify. Not as much as back in the day thanks to the internet. Thanks for sharing and connecting
Oh my dog, that opening story about not wanting to leave the house but craving a chocolate milkshake and going so far as to put it in the doordash basket but being unable to lower myself to spending double the money instead of just driving 6 minutes away!.. I swear to dog that you got that from watching my life somehow!
Regarding the milkshake, I am reminded of this quotation by the great Jell Biafra; "Give me convenience or give me death." Companies give us what we consumer's demand; "instant gratification." I am old now, and I believe we are an empire in decline. I expect it to get ugly. So far, I have had good luck. I implore my fellow citizens, endeavor to define and practice 'decency.' I place a premium on my peace of mind, so I do my best to act with integrity.
Ah, man, I haven't thought of Jello Biafra in decades. I had his 'No More Cocoons' spoken word recording, on a cassette. Had that thing memorized back then, but don't remember any bit of it now. Thanks for the stroll down my hazy memory lane.
Did I just hear you say yall coming to KNOXVILLE?????? HELL YEAH!!!!!! I’ll be there as soon as the date drops!!!! We need you here, even if for just one day, to help rectify the insanity prevalent in the volunteer state.
Belief in a God is an individually determined value. Also, just as importantly as the word 'God" does not appear in the United States Constitution, it doesn't appear in the Hebrew Torah.
My rule is that if it's not important enough to go get, then it's not important enough. And I never buy milkshakes. I'll get the store stuff and break out the blender.
What are you? Some kind of masochist?! Lol, j/k. I live far enough in the country, I'm not even sure if those options are available so I never get anything unless I'm willing and able to drive at least 15 minutes to go get it. But, I haven't been able to get to the point where I won't buy something like a milkshake if it's where I am (even though I can make it myself) ☺️
I've heard him on other shows and I know he's called in to Seth's show at least once before. He's from Canada? I never would have guessed that. When I deconstructed it took me years but I didn't have anyone to talk to about it or any call in shows. Part of me gets so annoyed with him always calling bc I think, hasn't he got it yet? Is he just being a troll? But another part wonders if he is also having trouble with his indoctrinated self accepting reality and that's why he keeps calling atheist shows and pestering the hosts with these questions.
@@starpenta Yeah, he loves the US so much, I've offered to take up a collect for his move. Some of the awful things he's said, especially on The Trans Atlantic Call In Show, but all of them really. His early work is much worse.
they always claim christianity is true because it's the only religion based on grace through faith. which is nonsense. so it doesn't matter if ur a good person, all that matters is if u believe in jesus christ and accept his gift of salvation. also, how do they know they have the right religion if they haven't studied all the other religions ? lol
@@dagg310 , when I was still a believer, if someone had asked me why I didn't believe in other gods, I would have thought they were just being stupid but kept right on believing ☺️ If it's someone that's being genuine, I would start out by asking them WHY they believe, trying to get them to comprehend their belief is either an indoctrinated belief and/or one that exists bc of emotional reasons. Or at least get that idea into their head. And remind myself that it took me YEARS before I could accept that there really is nothing tangible to prove it. So who knows how long it will take them.
@@starpenta the problem with the bible is....who told us it was inspired by god? man told us. so when people say trust in god...i say....u have to trust in man first because it is man who told us god inspired them. i could never get over the issue of god being able to create everything from scratch all by himself but needed the hand of man to write the word of god ...lol....makes zero sense
Also congratulations on getting into yoga. I used be a certified Bikram Yoga instructor and nationally ranked yoga asana champion but I got burnt out and now I’m terrified of returning.
Referance the "gay/Atheist /Nurse... While in a hospital awaiting treatment for a heart attack, I was asked by a nurse if I would like to contact/speak to a member of the clergy... Made me laugh so loud that others thought that I was in a state of medical need! I told her that I am an Atheist! And that if I survive it will be because of the Physician who treats me, not some imaginary non-existent deity. She was totally taken aback with such a non-chalant attitude.
The part about giving unto Caesar what is Caesar's (Mark 12:17) was about people trying to use religion to get out of paying taxes. In response Jesus asked to see a coin, asked who's face was on it, then told them to give to Caesar what belonged to him. So all those anti-tax christians seemed to have missed that line
What the hell is it with Okies and pancake syrup? Never have I seen anyone who spent more than a couple weeks in that state that doesn’t drown the pancake in syrup. I watch in utter fascination, unconsciously holding my breath, the stream of goo that seems to defy every law of conservation as it endlessly gloop, gloop, gloops out the bottle. Honestly it even surpasses that strange ritual of biscuits and gravy with every meal.
My husband uses more syrup on his waffles than anyone I know but he's actually from the Chicago area. I'm from Texas and prefer fruit sweetened, sugar free jelly on mine but that's bc I was raised by a mother who was really against sugar. But the biscuits and gravy thing? That just might be something people in the entire southern US do bc I totally get that. I have never met anyone from a southern state that didn't like them. ☺️ The only reason I don't order them every time I go out is either bc they aren't available or I'm feeling conscious about my health.
I used to belong to the Ice cream of the Month Club. A new a flavorful ice cream mailed to you while still frozen. Needless to say I no longer belong. 😂
Thankyou. Agreed. Seth is saying the same ideology about crime that Rush Limbaugh, Shaun Hannity, and Tucker Carlson repeat, Except he’s saying the same thing nicely with a bleeding heart. He should listen to Oyalemi Olurin to learn about the ways our criminal justice system is literally rigged against our own people and pushes people Further and further into crime through marginalization and dehumanization.
Been a while since last I caught a Jawin' call-in (Jon, John, or maybe the J'onn J'onzz that attended Aeolis Mons Academy with me?). Always sounds like a member of the Smoove family. But parody aside, he's always sounds cagey and disingenuous, so nicely and skeptically handled, Mr. Andrews. I admire your prompt and polished answers, esp. on stuff Jon was probing. Great work, and I can't wait 'til you get your way and Christianity collapses from all this brute force atheist pommeling, so you can tackle the other thousands of confabulations - or YHWH decides to gives the Flood another try, new and improved!
I also think that we need to encourage more BIPOC into the community, women are slowly coming into the community but more needs to be done to ensure we are actively inclusive.
I keep banana in the freezer and make my own shakes that satisfy my Frosty craving. I've perfected it and saves me a drive into town and saves my waistline. 😂
Seth, have you seen Alex O'Conner's podcast with JP? It is on the JP podcast. It is really quite something. Alex pressed JP with poise and great calmness at times. Well - JP "suspects" that JC died and came out of his tomb a few days later but "has no idea what that means."There is more to it than that, but the whole episode needs watching. JP's jacket needs seeing. I will add a bit more in due course....about what I think JP does. It is still largely the same as Alex's own deconstruction of JP & Religion on his Alex O'Conner podcast.
1796 it says the treaty of Tripoli was signed to protect us from shipping in the Mediterranean from pirates. What do you have because when you were talking to that guy this would seem like something that wouldn't mean anything. I noticed people use that treaty of Tripoli often I'll have to do more research but this is the Alexa answer to this treaty.
Tribalism remains a problem. Religion is tool to promote tribalism. Were it deemed illegal to lie in public (thereby ending a lot of political careers and most religion) we would still have tribalism. It would be harder to do anything with it.
The thing that always gets me about the importance of religion in the black community is that it is the religion that had been forced on them they are a part of. Of course the slaves were likely forbidden from even talking about the religions of their heritage, so had no cultural memory of them, but once they were free was there any attempt to find a religion other than christianity?
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." James Madison
What should I do to tell my incredibly religious parents, as religious as Seth’s parents, that I don’t buy any of it?! I’m 27, haven’t been to church really since 18, and watching my parents go further and further into religion makes me sick because I love them! But they WONT think about religion ANY OTHER WAY!! Help?!
Contact Recovering from Religion. They can help you with this. Or call in to one of the live shows in the TH-cam atheist community. But those shows will suggest you contact RfR.
It's interesting to me that people will say that the founding fathers "gave" us freedom, when their whole point (as outlined in the Declaration and several other documents) was that we're all born with that freedom, and what was required was for government to back off.
if prayer worked there would be no hospitals. my problem with prayer is....why are you praying to god to heal u? if god exists, then heaven exists so why stay on planet earth longer than u need to? people praying to be healed just proves what they really believe deep down.....that death is not good...but if god exists then death is just the beginning. but we all know it's really the end
... I stopped arguing with friends and family members years ago over Religion ... it's nothing to me what they believe or don't believe. As for making comments in the TH-cam venue, it's just something to do ... I don't care much what the people HERE believe, either : I have zero interest in saving souls, collecting souls or whether or not we have souls. Believe whatever you like, and I will do the same ... Cheers !
At 2326 , you start talking to a man calling himself John. And I was amazed and in awe at how you treated this man like a real person. Some of the people on the atheist experience could learn a lot from you. Recently, I texted a complaint of how they treated their callers, and as I predicted, it was erased . I refused to listen to it. All I hear is hate towards Christians who were lost because they didn't know any better. They say things like this is what the Bible says, and the hoast comes back with F You, F your Bible, F your god That's no way to treat people.
I grew up knowing the adage, there are no atheists in foxholes. As I aged I thought about this in steps. First I saw it as evidence that God was real and revealed himself when things were the toughest. Then some TV show or movie set during wartime (it might have been M*A*S*H), had a character talk to the chaplain in relation to this question. During the battle, while he was in a foxhole with shells falling all around him, he swore to God that if he got out of this he'd become a priest. Then, after not dying, he struggled with his promise, because he no longer felt the calling to priesthood, but was concerned because he'd promised God, and didn't want to renege on the deal. The chaplain told him that God understood that people facing peril often make promises they can't keep, and wouldn't hold them to it. It was simply the faith they had in God that had caused God to intercede. But this same argument can be made for the atheist that professes faith in that same foxhole. Shouldn't God forgive him for going back to non-belief after the crisis had passed? This led me to realize that people turn to supernatural belief when facing chaos. When there is no rational answer that promises survival, it feels a little like drowning. Panic sets in, and you start flailing around looking for anything to grab. But if there is no God, than what is really getting the man through the crisis? It is the calming effect of his own imagination. Well, you don't need a God if you have imagination.
" while he was in a foxhole with shells falling all around him, he swore to God that if he got out of this he'd become a priest." .... here's the thing...if ur praying to god to not die...why?? if god exists...why would u want to stay here one more minute? i'd rather die and be in paradise with the almighty father no? people say they believe in god but when faced with cancer they ask god to heal them....wanting to be healed rather than dying just proves what they really believe deep down....that there's nothing after death
As an incurable MASH fan, this particular vignette, as you remember it, I don't think was from MASH, at least not that way. MASH did address atheism a couple times. Once there was injured soldier in the post-op ward who replied to a question from BJ with 'I'm an atheist'. BJ asked 'really?' and the soldier replied 'Swear to god...' Was a short and sweet throw away joke. There was one other plot that was similar to what you've described, but I'm having trouble remembering the details... Think it was between Klinger and Mulcahy... Sigh... My damned old guy memory is failing me. It'll come to me. I think.
@@tiltingwindmill I'm not sure it was MASH, but it wasn't dealing with atheism. It was a soldier who had promised to become a priest, but realized he couldn't follow through, and was worried about going back on his promise. The reason it stood out, is that it backhandedly refuted the "no atheist in a foxhole" trope. It did this by recognizing that people will say anything when in enough distress.
@@janerkenbrack3373 Aha. OK. I did sorts miss the greater point you were making. I realize you weren't sure if it was MASH, and I do realize it wasn't necessarily about atheism - I was just trying to place the two times MASH kinda addressed what you were saying. But, like I said, I missed your greater point.
... Most of us know what DoorDash is, but many of us wouldn't waste that much money on a delivery ... besides, if you shop for food (most of us do) buy milk, ice cream & flavor syrup and pull out the old blender ... idiot simple solution !
23:40 is John calling in from Canada and pretending to be a black man. This is absurd that he claims to be a man of god but is lying about who he is. His voice is very distinctive
Seth this opening monologue is NOT it. Kind of like a nice guy version of a Rush Limbaugh screed. Your heart’s in the right place but your information is ideologically distorted. People steal things out of desperation. For many people the structure, the opportunities, and the necessary luck simply have not realized a path in their life where the chance to become their best self was ever possible. And it’s systemic. Individuals found guilty of petty crimes like sleeping in a vehicle, or Driving without a license incur steep fines which will result in police arrest warrants. Arrests cause people to lose their jobs and homes as no call no shows and missed rent payments are the inevitable sequelae of unplanned, 2 week long nonconsensual vacation to an 8’x14’ cement cubicle. After release modern data collection firms retain arrest records long after the citizen has done their time, paid all restitution and expunged their (official) record. This can lead future employers and landlords to discriminate against these individuals leading to being de facto locked out of participation in the formal economy. In fewer words: we make crime, with our barbaric Retributive justice practices which marginalize and disenfranchise those caught in the financially exploitative clutches of our for profit justice system until stealing the only valuable thing not bolted to the ground and praying to god they can find somewhere to resell it before their life comes crashing down again and they lose what little they have- seems like their only remaining option.
You should have Olayemi Olurin on your show. She’s New York Public defense lawyer and Twitter Famous. I would love to see the way you two interact. Because you see the big picture. And she is boots on the ground fighting every day against the leviathan of white Christian hegemony. “Penitentiary” System. Comes from the same root word as “Repentance” Our nation’s extremist Christian tradition is suffused throughout our legal history. Ideas of atonement, and guilt are religious not evidence based. Another angle is the way prison parole boards place a heavy valuation on being “born again” for one’s eligibility for release and participation in christian indoctrination programs in the jails can in most jurisdictions result in days taken off ones sentence. If estimate about 75% of books available to inmates are religious in nature. Bookshelves are stocked full of bibles, Books of Mormon, The case For Christ, the Purpose driven life, and Heaven is For real. Inmates are starved for socialization and mental stimulation then church organizations come and offer these desperate individuals what will be their only opportunity to venture outside of their enclosed living area to visit a classroom or other areas of the campus… There is no place in America more suffused with exploitative Christian evangelism than in our jails and prisons.
The reason Atheists don't believe the gospel is not a cognitive problem, it is a spiritual one - “They are spiritually blind” (John 3:3). In other words, it isn't a rational decision they make, it is an emotional choice: they don't want God to exist. But they know he exists and hold the truth in unrighteousness - “They live in denial of reality” (Romans 1:18-22).
Of all things, I'd hate to lose your respect. I'll vet all future monologues through the temujinay8831 "proper content" filter to ensure I haven't prompted exclamation points and milkshake deletion edicts. Much appreciated.
@@TheThinkingAtheistSeth, it's really sad that if God exists, he blesseus us, atheists, more than starving children who pray and cry out to him every day for food and shelter.
@@TheThinkingAtheistI’m thinking milkshakes would never be talked about if not talking about them while some do starve. Maybe temujinay8831 shouldn’t be listening to youtube or podcasts while some starve. We are all caught in the world like a person in a swift river. Our control is limited.
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I empathize with the nurse. Im a nurse and the amount of hyper-religiosity is wild. How do you graduate from nursing school, biological science based learning, and believe creation over evolution?
The power of brainwashing
The last time I was with a doctor to get my ingrown toenail removed, I tried to thank the doctor, and he said thanks be to God, the physician of physicians. At that point, I was thinking, "If God could have healed my ingrown toenail, I wouldn't need you"
@@JohnmhatheistYeah I'd be getting a new doctor after that😂
Saying this as a scientist in healthcare (bachelor’s degree but my title is medical lab scientist) healthcare professionals that don’t go on to get doctorates many times don’t get a whole lot of education in evolution amongst other animals because they focus heavily on human biology, so they don’t really have a firm grasp on the full scale of evolution.
Education in a field of science will not always include evolution among species, and many nurses often don’t get that kind of education as it is not relevant to their practice.
My field was much more immersive into evolutionary biology so I got a firmer grasp of it during my education.
Many people are good at learning procedures without the need for critical thinking. Medical practice is about knowing and following procedures.
Why would a god have need of a starship?- James T. Kirk
Star Trek was trying to teach so many life lessons.
Black atheist here. I've always said I became an atheist around the age of 8 during catheism, because it made no sense and a nun lied to me, when I asked either one of two questions how do we know any of this is true or how do we know Jesus really lived.
I knew she lied and she didn't believe any of it either and so that was it. But when I think about it, I was born Atheist and was never indoctrinated and simply made a decision that I didn't believe that day.
Anyway, I don't believe my mom was religious in any way, but my dad was from a Catholic country and because my mother was ambivalent about religion she was willing to go along with what he wanted to do - which was basically for both of them to send me and my older brother to catechism and church - alone - and that was it.
There was zero religious discussions in the house other than occasionally, later in life when we were poorer after my parents divorce, my mom would sometimes say she felt angels were looking out for her, but she never mentioned God or Jesus or anything.
We lived with my grandparents, also non-religious. They were very moral and ethical people. My grandmother had some trauma in her life so she tended to be strict with us kids but my grandfather was just a lovely man. I learned how to be and I think I always innately was a good person with no desire to hurt others.
I grew up around so many non-religious relatives that I was shocked to learn that a cousin actually belonged to a church. Her mom had passed away and she invited us to go to a repast at her church.
Later on when my brother passed away, she called me obstensively to give me condolences, but actually offended me by telling me that if my brother hadn't accepted Jesus Christ in his life he was not in heaven. I still fume at that. I noticed on Facebook that her children often post religious platitudes. I'm assuming she became religious and then the her daughters and granddaughters were sucked into believing.
Regarding Martin Luther King, I couldn't stand him. I remember when I was in 3rd grade I just couldn't stand him and the idea of praying while people brutalized you. Like the entire idea of getting on your knees and praying made zero sense to me. I have a little more respect for him now; but the religiosity of his movement, I guess, made it go down a lot better and he knew what he was doing as an activist.
Anyway, I am APPALLED that black people, for the most part, embrace Christianity. I really have difficulty understanding why anyone would embrace a God that has been shaped into the image of people who hate them. I don't get it.
I would much prefer that black people embrace science and math and evolution and facts. Religion is one way of just keeping people in ignorance, of manipulating them. It is a method in which the gullible can be made to believe anything.
I'm 71 years old, female black, straight and it was only in the last decade that I actually sought atheist material. Mostly because it was during the Obama years that really brought to fore for me how hateful Christians are.
As we've all become aware, it is not a religion anymore; it is a political statement and stance and a hateful one.
If there was anything that turned me off from religion, and I've always been turned off from it, it is certainly Christians of today.
We're out there but we're hard to find as atheist, unlike christians, do not go around declaring or unbelief. We don't knock on doors and we don't bring it up in casual conversation. So it's very hard to recognize us, and we, each other. 🤷🏽♀️
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is opium of the people." - Karl Marks
Karl Marx ....sorry for the error; I was in a hurry to get this quote to you, and I misspelled the last name of Karl Marx. I have questioned the tenets of the Bible since I was 17; I'm 72 now, and I realize that I, a 72 year old, male, black and straight, am atheist. I came to this moment through my studies of Ancient Egyptian (Kemetic) culture, cosmology/theology, religious/spiritual traditions and world history. When I saw the truth in the statement, "Religion drives culture.",shown to me through historical time-lines of culture from over 9,500 years ago, I knew that everything that I was taught about doctrines ,tenets, religion as a whole, was a bold-faced LIE. I can't blame my parents because they only knew what was passed down to them from their ankhestors, who, in turn, were indoctrinated, most times forcefully and brutally, by their slave masters.
In our current culture, being atheist is tantamount to being anathematized by the Roman Catholic Church. Because our people are the most spiritual beings on earth, being atheist puts a double whammy on the situation. In spite of these threats to my ( and your) sanity and peace of mind, I choose atheism. To quote Jack Webb, from the television series Dragnet, "....just the facts,ma'am, just the facts.".
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Spot on, well said 💯👍
57 year old black man here. Great post! And I agree %1000. You are correct in that we are hard to find and identify. Not as much as back in the day thanks to the internet. Thanks for sharing and connecting
Oh my dog, that opening story about not wanting to leave the house but craving a chocolate milkshake and going so far as to put it in the doordash basket but being unable to lower myself to spending double the money instead of just driving 6 minutes away!.. I swear to dog that you got that from watching my life somehow!
"Oh my dog..." Beautiful!!
You did wondetfully. I love how you just dump the really nutty ones . I give you an A+
23:30 Jon from Canada...He calls into every show and barely moves off his script and you handled him well.
Regarding the milkshake, I am reminded of this quotation by the great Jell Biafra; "Give me convenience or give me death."
Companies give us what we consumer's demand; "instant gratification."
I am old now, and I believe we are an empire in decline. I expect it to get ugly. So far, I have had good luck.
I implore my fellow citizens, endeavor to define and practice 'decency.' I place a premium on my peace of mind, so I do my best to act with integrity.
u expect it to get ugly??....we are already there lol
@@dagg310 I am lucky. I continue to do well.
Ah, man, I haven't thought of Jello Biafra in decades. I had his 'No More Cocoons' spoken word recording, on a cassette. Had that thing memorized back then, but don't remember any bit of it now.
Thanks for the stroll down my hazy memory lane.
I'm God We Trust Inc.
Well said. One day at a time. Good luck
Did I just hear you say yall coming to KNOXVILLE?????? HELL YEAH!!!!!! I’ll be there as soon as the date drops!!!! We need you here, even if for just one day, to help rectify the insanity prevalent in the volunteer state.
Good, balanced response to that Christian interloper 👍
So glad to hear you’ll be hosting at The Line…. Will listen, for sure. A breath of fresh air…👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I wish that I had Seth's temperament. I wish I could be calm and stay that way. I find it amazing.
13:43 Linda (Atheist)
17:27 James (Atheist)
23:28 John (Theist)
40:10 Richie (Atheist)
46:15 David (Atheist)
Thanks for the entertainment and information Seth.
That was a great show: thanks Seth. I'm off to check out your true stories podcast now.
His true stories are really, really good.
Dangit now you've got me looking up milkshake recipes. Apparently, you should make your own at home so you can add bourbon to it :D
John: "I have some education..." I suspect that is an overstatement.
He went to school... for a day ;)
Belief in a God is an individually determined value. Also, just as importantly as the word 'God" does not appear in the United States Constitution, it doesn't appear in the Hebrew Torah.
I loved this. Well done!
Brilliant argument about separation of church and state!
Always miss your podcast ❤, you are simply amazing ❤
your conversation style on those shows remind me of art bell.
caller: im a werewolf
seth: how long have you been a werewolf?
My rule is that if it's not important enough to go get, then it's not important enough. And I never buy milkshakes. I'll get the store stuff and break out the blender.
What are you? Some kind of masochist?!
Lol, j/k. I live far enough in the country, I'm not even sure if those options are available so I never get anything unless I'm willing and able to drive at least 15 minutes to go get it. But, I haven't been able to get to the point where I won't buy something like a milkshake if it's where I am (even though I can make it myself) ☺️
Oh no Jon, embarrassing Canada on yet another call in show.
Maybe you can meet Seth when he comes up.
I've heard him on other shows and I know he's called in to Seth's show at least once before. He's from Canada? I never would have guessed that.
When I deconstructed it took me years but I didn't have anyone to talk to about it or any call in shows. Part of me gets so annoyed with him always calling bc I think, hasn't he got it yet? Is he just being a troll?
But another part wonders if he is also having trouble with his indoctrinated self accepting reality and that's why he keeps calling atheist shows and pestering the hosts with these questions.
@@starpenta Yeah, he loves the US so much, I've offered to take up a collect for his move. Some of the awful things he's said, especially on The Trans Atlantic Call In Show, but all of them really. His early work is much worse.
@@TheBirdGardenNB , please don't send him here! We have enough trouble with the MAGA nutjobs 😉
When the religious will explain to me why they don't believe in the 1000's of other religions, I'll explain why I don't believe in 1.
they always claim christianity is true because it's the only religion based on grace through faith. which is nonsense. so it doesn't matter if ur a good person, all that matters is if u believe in jesus christ and accept his gift of salvation.
also, how do they know they have the right religion if they haven't studied all the other religions ? lol
@@dagg310 , when I was still a believer, if someone had asked me why I didn't believe in other gods, I would have thought they were just being stupid but kept right on believing ☺️
If it's someone that's being genuine, I would start out by asking them WHY they believe, trying to get them to comprehend their belief is either an indoctrinated belief and/or one that exists bc of emotional reasons. Or at least get that idea into their head. And remind myself that it took me YEARS before I could accept that there really is nothing tangible to prove it. So who knows how long it will take them.
@@starpenta the problem with the bible is....who told us it was inspired by god? man told us. so when people say trust in god...i say....u have to trust in man first because it is man who told us god inspired them. i could never get over the issue of god being able to create everything from scratch all by himself but needed the hand of man to write the word of god ...lol....makes zero sense
Yadda yadda yadda muh buuhk sez they're demons!
beautiful
Also congratulations on getting into yoga.
I used be a certified Bikram Yoga instructor and nationally ranked yoga asana champion but I got burnt out and now I’m terrified of returning.
Awww, we missed you toooooo 😆
Referance the "gay/Atheist /Nurse... While in a hospital awaiting treatment for a heart attack, I was asked by a nurse if I would like to contact/speak to a member of the clergy... Made me laugh so loud that others thought that I was in a state of medical need! I told her that I am an Atheist! And that if I survive it will be because of the Physician who treats me, not some imaginary non-existent deity.
She was totally taken aback with such a non-chalant attitude.
it's days like these I realize how bad I would be at your job
The part about giving unto Caesar what is Caesar's (Mark 12:17) was about people trying to use religion to get out of paying taxes. In response Jesus asked to see a coin, asked who's face was on it, then told them to give to Caesar what belonged to him. So all those anti-tax christians seemed to have missed that line
What the hell is it with Okies and pancake syrup? Never have I seen anyone who spent more than a couple weeks in that state that doesn’t drown the pancake in syrup. I watch in utter fascination, unconsciously holding my breath, the stream of goo that seems to defy every law of conservation as it endlessly gloop, gloop, gloops out the bottle. Honestly it even surpasses that strange ritual of biscuits and gravy with every meal.
My husband uses more syrup on his waffles than anyone I know but he's actually from the Chicago area.
I'm from Texas and prefer fruit sweetened, sugar free jelly on mine but that's bc I was raised by a mother who was really against sugar. But the biscuits and gravy thing? That just might be something people in the entire southern US do bc I totally get that. I have never met anyone from a southern state that didn't like them. ☺️ The only reason I don't order them every time I go out is either bc they aren't available or I'm feeling conscious about my health.
Can tell that you are American. You didn’t even consider walking or cycling😂😂😂
Well he did say he didn't eat to leave the house.
I used to belong to the Ice cream of the Month Club. A new a flavorful ice cream mailed to you while still frozen. Needless to say I no longer belong. 😂
Well...I doordash everything else, why not dessert?😂 Great episode Seth!
😁👍🏾 Atheist here as well.
Yep. I just ordered delivery of pizza & wings for myself. Over $36
You were a great host on The Line.
Aww Jon…, serial caller to atheist shows.
Get yourself a countertop ice machine that makes little cubes and a good blender. Make better milkshakes cheap and easy.
The economy effects whether people have the need to do petty thefts, the jobs don't pay.
Thankyou. Agreed.
Seth is saying the same ideology about crime that Rush Limbaugh, Shaun Hannity, and Tucker Carlson repeat,
Except he’s saying the same thing nicely with a bleeding heart.
He should listen to Oyalemi Olurin to learn about the ways our criminal justice system is literally rigged against our own people and pushes people Further and further into crime through marginalization and dehumanization.
We need you out in Spokane, WA
Seth✌️ A newborn giraffe. Lol
Been a while since last I caught a Jawin' call-in (Jon, John, or
maybe the J'onn J'onzz that attended Aeolis Mons Academy
with me?). Always sounds like a member of the Smoove family.
But parody aside, he's always sounds cagey and disingenuous,
so nicely and skeptically handled, Mr. Andrews. I admire your
prompt and polished answers, esp. on stuff Jon was probing.
Great work, and I can't wait 'til you get your way and Christianity
collapses from all this brute force atheist pommeling, so you can
tackle the other thousands of confabulations - or YHWH decides
to gives the Flood another try, new and improved!
I also think that we need to encourage more BIPOC into the community, women are slowly coming into the community but more needs to be done to ensure we are actively inclusive.
Milkshakes are ok but without the milk. Vile liquid.😊
I keep banana in the freezer and make my own shakes that satisfy my Frosty craving. I've perfected it and saves me a drive into town and saves my waistline. 😂
Seth, have you seen Alex O'Conner's podcast with JP? It is on the JP podcast. It is really quite something. Alex pressed JP with poise and great calmness at times. Well - JP "suspects" that JC died and came out of his tomb a few days later but "has no idea what that means."There is more to it than that, but the whole episode needs watching. JP's jacket needs seeing. I will add a bit more in due course....about what I think JP does. It is still largely the same as Alex's own deconstruction of JP & Religion on his Alex O'Conner podcast.
I love the Door dash rant 😅 Door dash is glorious 😆
29:36 --- You can pinpoint the exact moment the caller's cognitive dissonance kicks in.
1796 it says the treaty of Tripoli was signed to protect us from shipping in the Mediterranean from pirates. What do you have because when you were talking to that guy this would seem like something that wouldn't mean anything. I noticed people use that treaty of Tripoli often I'll have to do more research but this is the Alexa answer to this treaty.
Forgot the Door dash and their 15.00 dollar milkshake I'd do it for 10.00 and in less time so find a runner.
Is the True Stories podcast on TH-cam?
The Athiest TikTok is filled with females!! So that’s super great to see.
Never ever order just One thing on Door dash. Always get a large order for several people.
Tribalism remains a problem. Religion is tool to promote tribalism. Were it deemed illegal to lie in public (thereby ending a lot of political careers and most religion) we would still have tribalism. It would be harder to do anything with it.
The thing that always gets me about the importance of religion in the black community is that it is the religion that had been forced on them they are a part of. Of course the slaves were likely forbidden from even talking about the religions of their heritage, so had no cultural memory of them, but once they were free was there any attempt to find a religion other than christianity?
👋🏼Would love to hear the recent recording with Matt D. Pretty PLEASE!❤👍
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." James Madison
It's expensive, but when you no longer have a car, and the alternative is mass transit in the desert sun, Doordash is the best solution.
What should I do to tell my incredibly religious parents, as religious as Seth’s parents, that I don’t buy any of it?!
I’m 27, haven’t been to church really since 18, and watching my parents go further and further into religion makes me sick because I love them! But they WONT think about religion ANY OTHER WAY!! Help?!
Contact Recovering from Religion. They can help you with this. Or call in to one of the live shows in the TH-cam atheist community. But those shows will suggest you contact RfR.
It's interesting to me that people will say that the founding fathers "gave" us freedom, when their whole point (as outlined in the Declaration and several other documents) was that we're all born with that freedom, and what was required was for government to back off.
"Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."
- Abraham Lincoln
The bible-crowd is always good for a few chuckles especially the hypocrites who want to lead the country out of its sinfull ways .
if prayer worked there would be no hospitals. my problem with prayer is....why are you praying to god to heal u? if god exists, then heaven exists so why stay on planet earth longer than u need to? people praying to be healed just proves what they really believe deep down.....that death is not good...but if god exists then death is just the beginning. but we all know it's really the end
E pluribus Unum…need to get big money out of politics…in order to restore equal representation of the people by the people and for the people 🎉
Jon is a troll and needs to be banned, his goal is to waste your time. He's also dishonest.
REALLY tired of hearing this guy's vapid arguments. Would love it if Seth would stop entertaining him, he's annoying
AF to listen to.
And he talks like Christopher Walken.
if god doesn't exist then where did the bible come from ? lol ...i being sarcastic btw !
... I stopped arguing with friends and family members years ago over Religion ... it's nothing to me what they believe or don't believe. As for making comments in the TH-cam venue, it's just something to do ... I don't care much what the people HERE believe, either : I have zero interest in saving souls, collecting souls or whether or not we have souls.
Believe whatever you like, and I will do the same ... Cheers !
no matter what people believe...no one knows for sure. and the ones who say they do are liars
@@dagg310 Absolutely ! ... And no LIVING person ever will ...☮
Jon is a poe. Please ban him
What's a poe? And please ban him.
But most Christians think other denominations aren’t really Christian’s so if you view it as they do, they’re not the biggest religion.
At 2326 , you start talking to a man calling himself John. And I was amazed and in awe at how you treated this man like a real person. Some of the people on the atheist experience could learn a lot from you. Recently, I texted a complaint of how they treated their callers, and as I predicted, it was erased . I refused to listen to it. All I hear is hate towards Christians who were lost because they didn't know any better. They say things like this is what the Bible says, and the hoast comes back with F You, F your Bible, F your god
That's no way to treat people.
I grew up knowing the adage, there are no atheists in foxholes. As I aged I thought about this in steps. First I saw it as evidence that God was real and revealed himself when things were the toughest.
Then some TV show or movie set during wartime (it might have been M*A*S*H), had a character talk to the chaplain in relation to this question. During the battle, while he was in a foxhole with shells falling all around him, he swore to God that if he got out of this he'd become a priest. Then, after not dying, he struggled with his promise, because he no longer felt the calling to priesthood, but was concerned because he'd promised God, and didn't want to renege on the deal.
The chaplain told him that God understood that people facing peril often make promises they can't keep, and wouldn't hold them to it. It was simply the faith they had in God that had caused God to intercede.
But this same argument can be made for the atheist that professes faith in that same foxhole. Shouldn't God forgive him for going back to non-belief after the crisis had passed?
This led me to realize that people turn to supernatural belief when facing chaos. When there is no rational answer that promises survival, it feels a little like drowning. Panic sets in, and you start flailing around looking for anything to grab.
But if there is no God, than what is really getting the man through the crisis? It is the calming effect of his own imagination. Well, you don't need a God if you have imagination.
" while he was in a foxhole with shells falling all around him, he swore to God that if he got out of this he'd become a priest." .... here's the thing...if ur praying to god to not die...why?? if god exists...why would u want to stay here one more minute? i'd rather die and be in paradise with the almighty father no? people say they believe in god but when faced with cancer they ask god to heal them....wanting to be healed rather than dying just proves what they really believe deep down....that there's nothing after death
@@dagg310 I guess there's just as much after death as there was before birth.
As an incurable MASH fan, this particular vignette, as you remember it, I don't think was from MASH, at least not that way. MASH did address atheism a couple times. Once there was injured soldier in the post-op ward who replied to a question from BJ with 'I'm an atheist'. BJ asked 'really?' and the soldier replied 'Swear to god...' Was a short and sweet throw away joke.
There was one other plot that was similar to what you've described, but I'm having trouble remembering the details... Think it was between Klinger and Mulcahy... Sigh... My damned old guy memory is failing me. It'll come to me. I think.
@@tiltingwindmill I'm not sure it was MASH, but it wasn't dealing with atheism. It was a soldier who had promised to become a priest, but realized he couldn't follow through, and was worried about going back on his promise.
The reason it stood out, is that it backhandedly refuted the "no atheist in a foxhole" trope. It did this by recognizing that people will say anything when in enough distress.
@@janerkenbrack3373 Aha. OK. I did sorts miss the greater point you were making.
I realize you weren't sure if it was MASH, and I do realize it wasn't necessarily about atheism - I was just trying to place the two times MASH kinda addressed what you were saying. But, like I said, I missed your greater point.
... Most of us know what DoorDash is, but many of us wouldn't waste that much money on a delivery ... besides, if you shop for food (most of us do) buy milk, ice cream & flavor syrup and pull out the old blender ... idiot simple solution !
Don't tell people what to do.
@@ComradeBeer Stop crying Puss
23:40 is John calling in from Canada and pretending to be a black man. This is absurd that he claims to be a man of god but is lying about who he is. His voice is very distinctive
Religion is exploding with all the make believes from africa a d south America
Oh Shit, John is harassing you now.? Thought he just hassled all of the call in shows. Dude is about as arrogant as the Seven Day Week guy.
Seth this opening monologue is NOT it.
Kind of like a nice guy version of a Rush Limbaugh screed.
Your heart’s in the right place but your information is ideologically distorted.
People steal things out of desperation. For many people the structure, the opportunities, and the necessary luck simply have not realized a path in their life where the chance to become their best self was ever possible.
And it’s systemic.
Individuals found guilty of petty crimes like sleeping in a vehicle, or Driving without a license incur steep fines which will result in police arrest warrants.
Arrests cause people to lose their jobs and homes as no call no shows and missed rent payments are the inevitable sequelae of unplanned, 2 week long nonconsensual vacation to an 8’x14’ cement cubicle.
After release modern data collection firms retain arrest records long after the citizen has done their time, paid all restitution and expunged their (official) record.
This can lead future employers and landlords to discriminate against these individuals leading to being de facto locked out of participation in the formal economy.
In fewer words: we make crime, with our barbaric Retributive justice practices which marginalize and disenfranchise those caught in the financially exploitative clutches of our for profit justice system until stealing the only valuable thing not bolted to the ground and praying to god they can find somewhere to resell it before their life comes crashing down again and they lose what little they have- seems like their only remaining option.
You should have Olayemi Olurin on your show.
She’s New York Public defense lawyer and Twitter Famous.
I would love to see the way you two interact. Because you see the big picture. And she is boots on the ground fighting every day against the leviathan of white Christian hegemony.
“Penitentiary” System.
Comes from the same root word as “Repentance”
Our nation’s extremist Christian tradition is suffused throughout our legal history.
Ideas of atonement, and guilt are religious not evidence based.
Another angle is the way prison parole boards place a heavy valuation on being “born again” for one’s eligibility for release and participation in christian indoctrination programs in the jails can in most jurisdictions result in days taken off ones sentence.
If estimate about 75% of books available to inmates are religious in nature.
Bookshelves are stocked full of bibles, Books of Mormon, The case For Christ, the Purpose driven life, and Heaven is For real.
Inmates are starved for socialization and mental stimulation then church organizations come and offer these desperate individuals what will be their only opportunity to venture outside of their enclosed living area to visit a classroom or other areas of the campus…
There is no place in America more suffused with exploitative Christian evangelism than in our jails and prisons.
The reason Atheists don't believe the gospel is not a cognitive problem, it is a spiritual one - “They are spiritually blind” (John 3:3). In other words, it isn't a rational decision they make, it is an emotional choice: they don't want God to exist. But they know he exists and hold the truth in unrighteousness - “They live in denial of reality” (Romans 1:18-22).
What
Nope. Dummy
Silliness
C'mon Seth that was some ranting about the milk shake! when there is people starving to death,,,, losing respect from me, don't do that again!
how is it his fault, the starving people. sucks to be them.
Of all things, I'd hate to lose your respect. I'll vet all future monologues through the temujinay8831 "proper content" filter to ensure I haven't prompted exclamation points and milkshake deletion edicts. Much appreciated.
@@TheThinkingAtheistSeth, it's really sad that if God exists, he blesseus us, atheists, more than starving children who pray and cry out to him every day for food and shelter.
@@TheThinkingAtheistI’m thinking milkshakes would never be talked about if not talking about them while some do starve. Maybe temujinay8831 shouldn’t be listening to youtube or podcasts while some starve. We are all caught in the world like a person in a swift river. Our control is limited.
@@TheThinkingAtheist no problem Seth , I was having a bad day, i gess you push the wrong button, that's my problem, sorry mate. respect is intact.
Never ever order just One thing on Door dash. Always get a large order for several people.