Hay Loss Comparison For Cut and Uncut Bales - KUHN VB 560 OptiCut Round Baler
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- I wanted to see the difference in leftover hay in cut vs non-cut bales!
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Just learned yesterday that you and "The Rest of the Story" are brothers. Made so much sense as I was always confusing the 2 of you.
good ol' brother Travis!
Great video Ryan, I did learn something. Drone footage is excellent as always!!!!
Great results on your tests. Learned a lot from this video that I never knew. Thanks Ryan
Another Epic Video Ryan! Very intersting comparison. Your videos and the quality thereof are always superior bro! Keep up the good work!
Great stuff Ryan, great comparison, but with a good silage bale, cut or uncut, therte is very little waste💯👍🙏🙂
nice double rainbow @ 2:49, your videos are always superb and people can tell you have a passion (and I believe I remember you saying schooling) in photography, thanks for the video :)
Thank you for your professional and informative videos. I like the way you keep things real and don't create drama just to get subscribers.
Definitely a interesting video Ryan can't wait to see u back in the field's
Get video , Great content and informative. Really enjoyed.. Keep them coming.
Hey Ryan great video I always learn something about farm equipment or farming In general.
The hay content is everybit as interesting as the rest. I really hope beef prices align in your favor.
Best to you and yours.
Cheers
Great comparison video Ryan
Thanks Ryan!
awsome video ryan good thing to lern thumbs up and shared
Great video very interesting.
All those cows watching Ryan start cutting hay were thinking, nom nom nom
Great video Ryan awesome drone footage seeing the rainbow 🌈 was fantastic thanks for sharing it 👍
Great comparison👍😉
Interesting video
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, ideas and videos. Interesting and entertaining test. Was thinking if you were to perform the test in Travis’s yard that is concrete you could scrape between bails to determine how much they pull out and drop. Yes there will be some manure in the mix but if your careful you should be able to avoid it. I would think just by starting with a clean surface for each bail a visual observation should be enough to confirm your expectations. Wishing you and your family the best.
The weather in Wisconsin sure looks warm and hospitable! We had frost here in Tennessee this morning.
I live in east central Wisconsin, we had 8 inches of snow Wednesday, I bet you didn’t have that.
Good luck with continued great weather to prep, plant and moisture. Those wrapped cut bales made some good looking feed. Is bagging corn sileage worth the equipment rental squeeze? Kuhn is a great usa partner. Keep reviewing the beef sale date please. I hope your getting part of the retail premium.
Basket hay feeders save a lot on the grab and chew as the cows don't pull out to chew. We've noticed a lot of savings just from that.
Quite the weight of the silage bales, good thing you made them smaller.
We've been doing baleage since 1999. Thousands of bales. Target moisture of 45% is probably ideal. Better shaped bales, 4 foot by 54 inch is what we do. Most equipment can handle them average around 1300 lbs. One thing to remember is slicing has more field loss from the baler. (Just walk behind a baler that is slicing and one with the knives not cutting) Hay feeding waste is definitely far less with sliced hay. Slicing does take a little more fuel also. We've been selling some hay since 2007, generally speaking selling by the bale people will not pay more for them. Selling by the ton does have some effect, denser bales definitely. Slicing dry hay makes one heck of a storm coming from the bottom of the baler. Next question is where is the rest of that can? People throwing out crap are just...glass beer bottles too...fun times. Been watching you grow and learn for what seems like a long time, even made it to your 2017 farm day. Best of everything to you and Hannah too!
We started doing balage this year after watching your videos. Ended up wrapping almost 1500 bales. We found the bales run through the precutter mix in the TMR twice as fast. We saw 25 points of RFV gain between the dry hay and the baleage and the cows require less bales per day to gain the same. Plus baleage has allowed us to bale mixed crops that don't dry evenly. We are going to try a few fields of peas,oats and turnips this spring.
That's cool to hear! The only downside I have found is that you get more weight from the moisture that you have to transport. I am looking into switching to a TMR down the road and the time savings on mixing would make a baler with knives so worth it!
@HowFarmsWork We haul with a semi and have backed off from 28 bales per load to 22. Don't need compaction in the headlands. Plus this fall it was crazy to have all the hay home already vrs having to haul hay after finishing harvest.
@@HowFarmsWork how long have you guys kept wrapped hold over baleage? We are going to have a lot that won't get fed this season
we are chopping hay with a bale slice baler, we are chopping long stem cool season grass first cutting only and some warm season first cutting hay with long stems, long stem grass hay is were I think we are doing the most with the knives in the baler. when we bale second cutting grass hay we are leaving the knives out to avoid leaf loss from shattering. No need to chop excellent quality forage. This is what feed yards are doing they pay a mobile tub grinder to come in and grind long stem hay to go in there TMR wagons. We are all dry hay no silage
Interesting
concrete floors and a fixed feeding trough would make a huge difference in your results I imagine :)
Can't wait for hay season 2024
With our older big square baler we found it works best to bale at %30 or somtimes even 25 not only for easy baleing but also for feed quality but that round baler gets it alot better then ours
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the way you might be able to get better answer for waste on ground. place the feeder on a clean concrete surface. then feed a bale, clean the cement and get a manure 5 gallon sample. repeat with the other feed bale and get new sample. then flush both samples with water. the hay materials should separate out. that would give you a bulk residue comparison.
So 3/4 of a lb / bale less with a cut bale versus a non cut bale. Interesting enough, they probably ate “more” from the cut bale, although I wonder how much was left because they simply couldn’t reach material to finish it up. As close as it was, is it worth cutting the bales going through the baler versus not cutting? Do you think a J-bunk or H-bunk for feeding would have less waste even over a bale ring? Like you said, lots of variables, and it certainly seems like you could still make an argument for one way or the other.
How long did it take for them to finish each bale ?
So fun facts Ryan. I own a 3190 kuhn. My inlaws have switched to all cut bales because they have found I believe 5 points higher on rfv over silage and 10 points better on dry hay. And another side note to add to your comments about the waste out side the feeder. The waste that is cut up spreads back to the field far better then uncut as the spreader beaters don't just grab chucks. The parts are smaller. Thats a unknown positive also.
Travis noticed how much better it was spreading manure this spring when he was feeding out the cut bales on the concrete lot where he was better able to keep track of where he was feeding the cut and uncut material. He said the knives were worth it for the manure alone.
Intresting video for hay loss for Cut vs Uncut. I do think what matters more is how much fuel is saved for cut vs uncut bales after all 100-240lbs per bale makes a difference means that much is hauled each trip....
Yes but it also means you're hauling that much more each trip
@MidwestFarmToys true but it also means less trips needed especially when it's Ryan, his brother and dad mostly hauling bales Hannah might haul bales but that's not a givin...
Your going to need to goto J concrete bunk feeders if you grow your herd much more.
Hey Ryan!! It would be interesting to know how much wasted material was outside of the rings.
Ryan wondered that also.
very interesting to a non farmer
add Sugarbeet molasses. thats the best :D
Man I miss the smell of fresh cut hay but, eeeee looks mighty John Deere green. 😂
It's not palatability, it's the grab and drag, then chew, that makes the waste. Even dry hay that is processed results in less waste in rings. Cows grab a mouthful, and always pull back to chew it down. The waste is what falls out of their mouths. You can save 30% of hay if you process every bale. Great video!
With such high moisture in the hay, wouldn't there be a lot of mold developing in the bale ?
It would be a problem for horses, how about cows ?
Now I'd like to know if U fed out both at the same time (separate feeders, same field) which bale would cows prefer
I haven't noticed a preference between the cut and uncut bales yet, but they prefer the baleage over the dry hay for sure!
Since this is a channel focused on teaching folks "How Farms Work"... could you please tell us (me) what the difference is between "cut bales" and "Non-cut bales"?? Thanks Ryan!
Sure, cut bales had knives in the head that cut the material into smaller lengths. It increases the palatability of the hay and reduces loss in the feeders. It is better for baleage because it more evenly distributes moisture throughout the bale for fermentation. Non-cut bales are what you normally expect out of a round baler where the material is just fed into the bale intact.
@@HowFarmsWork Thank you!!!
I know it to each his own and I agree with that 💯 But why would anyone running beef cattle waste thousands upon thousands of dollars on equipment, and mess with a baleage and wet wrapped hay! Complete waste of of time and money. Nice video footage 😂🇺🇸
It’s negligible but the true test would be to find out if one has more nutritional value over the other.
Interesting test though. That is a beautiful hay field.
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If you put both in the pen at the same time which would they eat first? My guess would be cut but I just wondered
They always go after the cut baleage before the dry hay.
Probably whichever one is closest to them 😂
Funny ill be making first crop by first week of may
Ive been told that the ideal moisture is no more than 30
10-20% for dry and 35-60 for baleage. 20-35 is a weird range where the hay doesn't quite ferment but isn't really dry.
Great Video Ryan, I've only seen this in TH-cam videos, but the ideal system is one i have seen with a self propelled chopper chopping the alfalfa and blowing the chaff into a square baler, (meduim or Big) I imagine the density of the final bale was huge, they then put the bale in a tube like yours! The interesting thing was the chopper had a PTO to drive the baler, and which was fed by a direct funnel from the chopper, this is a Video baling maize into round bales th-cam.com/video/Ye7enw6_f_E/w-d-xo.html
They devoured that bale on the Timelapse.
Hey Ryan and Hannah, Great interesting video. WOW those were some heavy bails But the skid steers handled them with ease it looked like. Does this look like the Kusters will be buying the Kuhn VB 560 bailer? Take care, Tahe it easy and TRUST JESUS!!!!!!!!!!
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