Brilliant video, a fellow canal enthusiast here. This is the best idea for improving the local area ive seen. Even just starting with putting a basin at phase 2 on the waste land directly behind the bridge at the start and connecting existing canal would be amazing and building businesses etc around that would do so much for that area in particular. I think getting that part done should be easy and require little. Once thats up and running perhaps the rest can be considered once they can see how it improves the local area. A massive task but good work on the video. Its stuff like this raising awareness and putting across these plans that is going to get the ball rolling. Great work guys
Absolutely love this video. You two with the positive attitude made this really enjoyable. Please please please can we keep tabs on this restoration! This is an incredible opportunity for people to bring back something for all to enjoy 😉
Lovely video about Rochdale canal and the potential it as if Rochdale council ad as much enthusiasm as both of then maybe they would do something thank you for such a informative video
The area seems to be neglected by those who could do everything to change it. Most people don’t want to live in a run down area, there would be tremendous support if they realised what could be done
@@TheGramophoneGirl that’s the hope in this video. I see Steven’s stuff all the time and his enthusiasm is infectious, I had to get and see it to see if I can play my part in raising awareness
Looks like an ideal site for a row of SuperMax Facilities. By the looks of the place you wouldn't be up for much cost in transporting the potential residents to their accommodations.
Excellent video which makes a persuasive case for restoration. There are many examples to persuade Rochdale Council that an asset they already own - a former canal branch - could readily be restored to the positive benefit to the people of Rochdale - and of course, Rochdale Council itself.
As a born and bred Rochdalian but 200 miles south nowadays, this area has always been deprived, the state of the burnt out mill is a classic example. I think the prospect of 80% rates and related income is more likely to be pursued rather than houses alongside a restored canalside at possible 20% premium. There are postings on the web that the shortage of water may lead to some closures on the canal. Proper locals would give the bridge name as spelled Hayp'ny by the way, used to cross it regularly when the canal was intact to the railway bridge and the water was perfectly clear.
@@reluctantanorak this would help that giving a store of water. The whole network is struggling at the moment, we now get rain in massive surges which doesn’t help as it flows away.
1 bridge to build, majority of the land owned by the council, sounds like an absolute no brainer. Im sure you will get plenty of willing volunteers to help if it got approval
@@CourtAboveTheCut its getting to the right people. Go straight to Mr Burnham as this supports the clean air strategy for TfGM. His people at the GMCA do respond to Twitter questions or questions direct to the mayor
"Rochdale Council". There in lies the problem, no vision, and little or no interest in the local heritage. Anyways, keep on keeping on with the restorative works and planning, winge and win.
Somewhere I have an old picture of a lorry from around the 1920s, and it is signwritten with the Rochdale Canal Company name. There are large old buildings in tge background.
Question from a foreigner here - We loved the vid- very interesting to see all those possibilities. But then - you guys talked all the way how totally easy it would be to realise these plans to revive that part of the cut. If it all would be that easy and so clear-cut on the financial reasoning to realize - Why then has Council not yet jumped on that wagon already? Would Council Members watching your vid be enough to get them to agree with you? Or would it take far more detailed and pre-digested plans for them to go along? Or would it need one of the big canal harbour chains to pre-commit to the project so the management of the planned harbour would be guaranteed to convince Council that these plans would be viable? What part of the picture are we missing if it really all would be that easy? Thanks
Because the councils in some areas are a little behind the times, they see a canal as a dirty ditch and unfortunately it’s hard to convince them otherwise. Hopefully this video gets to the right places, some of my other videos have definitely knocked some sense into other councils so fingers crossed this can do the same. Developers can sometimes be convinced if they can see the pound signs, fingers crossed they can!
You have just spent 400million quid to develop a place for a boat to tie up in Rochdale 🤣 there are mouths to feed for the "rubber boat" people you know, all those Doctors and Engineers that rock up in Man Utd shirts on a Beach are much needed 😂 much more important...not! I have pics of every stage of the Sowerby Bridge lock project and the re-open from day one.
It’s not about a place to tie up it’s about unlocking land and nature into what quite frankly is a 💩 🕳️ the area is desperate for change and desperate for some greenery
Do some field research of businesses at that point that actually are still operational. The problem you have is with the council all they are bothered with is shortcuts, quick money, housing and council tax. No growth and local employment. More social impact congesting local services. Schools, hospitals and local transport. Opening more canals and railways would increase jobs and give people importance and create new manufacturing. There has been some bad developments and desicions over the last 50 years😊
Councils need to think 20 years plus not their terms, it’s the problem with most of the politics and council of this country. Unfortunately it’s very common throughout many councils
That would be a case for the group but tbh I’m not sure how much choice they’d have, if it were to happen the council own most of the land and I can’t see them going for architectural wonders.
Interesting video. Ilived in rochdlefor 15years. I know that area well. And on a sunday i would walk from the starting point of your video up to Smithybridge and then back down the man roads a nice stroll.. One of the bigest problems with the Lancashire/ Manchester side of this canal is the deprivation of the area in which it sits. This combined with the old and neglected buildings means that it is neither a good area to set up an expensive business or unless you are a developer with trillions of punds and patient investors it would be too big a gamble. The specific problems around the streets on either side of the canal in your video are drug and prostitution. Yes eventually it would clear up/ clean up and yes it would redevelop the whole area but who in their right mind wants to put their boat and or car overnight in a marina in such a inhospitable place..... as far as i am aware you still have to have escorted passage through Newton Heath and advice is not to stop in or around Middleton. and before anyone rants on about destruction of the mills i just want to point out I have a soft spot for this area and i have always loved the Mills and the history around the industrial heritage of the North West While as an ex boater i would love to see it re open , i think the cost per meter vs the return short term makes it far to expensive.. if RMBC had millions to spare then yes go ahead. I reckon you are looking at 40 years before a return on your investment . Nick S.
@@Nick-e8k that’s not how it works with infrastructure. It’s money into the local economy, with safe mooring which could easily be achieved with the marinas etc you’d have return on investment in less than 10 years. Most canal schemes are within 5-7. The issue is that isn’t money in hand it’s to the local economy, more use of business etc you don’t directly see it like you would fares on a railway. Then the development that springs up around is a gradual improvement to the area.
@CourtAboveTheCut OK I bow to your knowledge on the economic benefits. I have no knowledge of your location but I assume you know this area . It is a narrow corridor of enterprising industry. From whole printing and heavy engenering to long stay/ overnight haulage park. With many small companies in between. And I love it. Plus I would love to see it developed A secure marina ? Publicly owned, yes. Privately owned I doubt it.. you would require a fully enclosed site with robust fencing to start with. A car park where cars can, in the first instance equally as secure. I just don't see how you could convince "me" and my 150k boat to tie up there. If RMBC will open the canal and build the marina fine. The video looks like it is a long stretch of canal almost into the centre of town. I guess it is more like half a mile and it stops just over a quarter of a mile away from the town hall. . I want to keep saying I love the idea and I love the area because I do and I would love to see it open I just have my doubts. Just as an aside it would be interesting to see if the money spent opening up what was a record holding bridge,( I think it was Europe's widest span) , has had that economic benefit you mention in your reply as it is now about 10 years since it was completed. And again a marvellous piece of engineering and forward planning. I wish those involved with this project all the luck in the world. And I hope to come back and see it. Nick S. PS still a fantastic video and a bit of history.
That much is clear so far, we can’t let councils decide on what they want though, it’s what’s good for the community not what’s good for a few out of touch councillors
Brilliant video, a fellow canal enthusiast here. This is the best idea for improving the local area ive seen. Even just starting with putting a basin at phase 2 on the waste land directly behind the bridge at the start and connecting existing canal would be amazing and building businesses etc around that would do so much for that area in particular. I think getting that part done should be easy and require little. Once thats up and running perhaps the rest can be considered once they can see how it improves the local area. A massive task but good work on the video. Its stuff like this raising awareness and putting across these plans that is going to get the ball rolling. Great work guys
That’s exactly it, protect the route and start one end and build as it earns its keep
Absolutely love this video. You two with the positive attitude made this really enjoyable. Please please please can we keep tabs on this restoration! This is an incredible opportunity for people to bring back something for all to enjoy 😉
I will share stuff on my socials as usual. It might be worth popping Steven a sub, his channel is in the description and somewhere in the comments
Excellent Steven, just what was needed.
Thank you
Lovely video about Rochdale canal and the potential it as if Rochdale council ad as much enthusiasm as both of then maybe they would do something thank you for such a informative video
The area seems to be neglected by those who could do everything to change it. Most people don’t want to live in a run down area, there would be tremendous support if they realised what could be done
It has so so much potential, but relies on the local council having the foresight to see that. Do they? Will they?
@@TheGramophoneGirl that’s the hope in this video. I see Steven’s stuff all the time and his enthusiasm is infectious, I had to get and see it to see if I can play my part in raising awareness
Looks like an ideal site for a row of SuperMax Facilities. By the looks of the place you wouldn't be up for much cost in transporting the potential residents to their accommodations.
Excellent video which makes a persuasive case for restoration. There are many examples to persuade Rochdale Council that an asset they already own - a former canal branch - could readily be restored to the positive benefit to the people of Rochdale - and of course, Rochdale Council itself.
They just need to open their eyes! That’s never easy for councillors
Spot on again SC thank you.
@@Gizepi thank you and thanks for watching!
As a born and bred Rochdalian but 200 miles south nowadays, this area has always been deprived, the state of the burnt out mill is a classic example.
I think the prospect of 80% rates and related income is more likely to be pursued rather than houses alongside a restored canalside at possible 20% premium.
There are postings on the web that the shortage of water may lead to some closures on the canal.
Proper locals would give the bridge name as spelled Hayp'ny by the way, used to cross it regularly when the canal was intact to the railway bridge and the water was perfectly clear.
@@reluctantanorak this would help that giving a store of water. The whole network is struggling at the moment, we now get rain in massive surges which doesn’t help as it flows away.
1 bridge to build, majority of the land owned by the council, sounds like an absolute no brainer. Im sure you will get plenty of willing volunteers to help if it got approval
Give the permission and I can assure you it’ll be dug in no time
@@CourtAboveTheCut its getting to the right people. Go straight to Mr Burnham as this supports the clean air strategy for TfGM. His people at the GMCA do respond to Twitter questions or questions direct to the mayor
Glad our local Mancunian weather played ball for you this time. The Stockport canal was not accurate with that sun
😂😂 it does tend to rain whenever I come to Manchester
"Rochdale Council". There in lies the problem, no vision, and little or no interest in the local heritage. Anyways, keep on keeping on with the restorative works and planning, winge and win.
Yes that much is pretty clear by the clearances of so much history already.
Sounds like Rochdale Council need to get on board. They need to take a leaf out of Stroud Council with the development at Brimscombe Port
Exactly this, I wish more councils were as forward thinking as Stroud
Somewhere I have an old picture of a lorry from around the 1920s, and it is signwritten with the Rochdale Canal Company name. There are large old buildings in tge background.
@@davidjones8680 ah cool, I’d love to see it, if you find it please post on the Rochdale canal group on Facebook if you can, they’d love to see it
Found the image and just posted onto their facbook page and Its pending approval @@CourtAboveTheCut
@ cool I’ll check it out later :) thanks for sharing
Rochdale doesn’t get any better.
It could do though
Graffiti removal on a volunteer basis is so necessary, no money to pay a professional firm to do this work.
Smashed window theory comes to mind here
What a waste of a good canal ………! 😊
It’s crazy how easy it is to make it a good one again! Manchester is known for its canals as well, it’s surprising this hasn’t been pushed before
Question from a foreigner here - We loved the vid- very interesting to see all those possibilities. But then - you guys talked all the way how totally easy it would be to realise these plans to revive that part of the cut. If it all would be that easy and so clear-cut on the financial reasoning to realize - Why then has Council not yet jumped on that wagon already? Would Council Members watching your vid be enough to get them to agree with you? Or would it take far more detailed and pre-digested plans for them to go along? Or would it need one of the big canal harbour chains to pre-commit to the project so the management of the planned harbour would be guaranteed to convince Council that these plans would be viable?
What part of the picture are we missing if it really all would be that easy?
Thanks
Because the councils in some areas are a little behind the times, they see a canal as a dirty ditch and unfortunately it’s hard to convince them otherwise. Hopefully this video gets to the right places, some of my other videos have definitely knocked some sense into other councils so fingers crossed this can do the same.
Developers can sometimes be convinced if they can see the pound signs, fingers crossed they can!
You have just spent 400million quid to develop a place for a boat to tie up in Rochdale 🤣 there are mouths to feed for the "rubber boat" people you know, all those Doctors and Engineers that rock up in Man Utd shirts on a Beach are much needed 😂 much more important...not! I have pics of every stage of the Sowerby Bridge lock project and the re-open from day one.
It’s not about a place to tie up it’s about unlocking land and nature into what quite frankly is a 💩 🕳️ the area is desperate for change and desperate for some greenery
Do some field research of businesses at that point that actually are still operational. The problem you have is with the council all they are bothered with is shortcuts, quick money, housing and council tax. No growth and local employment. More social impact congesting local services. Schools, hospitals and local transport. Opening more canals and railways would increase jobs and give people importance and create new manufacturing. There has been some bad developments and desicions over the last 50 years😊
Councils need to think 20 years plus not their terms, it’s the problem with most of the politics and council of this country. Unfortunately it’s very common throughout many councils
Please make sure the developers do not build ticky tacky boxes...see if you can work with Archtectural Uprising. They do good stuff.
That would be a case for the group but tbh I’m not sure how much choice they’d have, if it were to happen the council own most of the land and I can’t see them going for architectural wonders.
Interesting video. Ilived in rochdlefor 15years. I know that area well. And on a sunday i would walk from the starting point of your video up to Smithybridge and then back down the man roads a nice stroll..
One of the bigest problems with the Lancashire/ Manchester side of this canal is the deprivation of the area in which it sits. This combined with the old and neglected buildings means that it is neither a good area to set up an expensive business or unless you are a developer with trillions of punds and patient investors it would be too big a gamble. The specific problems around the streets on either side of the canal in your video are drug and prostitution. Yes eventually it would clear up/ clean up and yes it would redevelop the whole area but who in their right mind wants to put their boat and or car overnight in a marina in such a inhospitable place..... as far as i am aware you still have to have escorted passage through Newton Heath and advice is not to stop in or around Middleton. and before anyone rants on about destruction of the mills i just want to point out I have a soft spot for this area and i have always loved the Mills and the history around the industrial heritage of the North West
While as an ex boater i would love to see it re open , i think the cost per meter vs the return short term makes it far to expensive.. if RMBC had millions to spare then yes go ahead.
I reckon you are looking at 40 years before a return on your investment .
Nick S.
@@Nick-e8k that’s not how it works with infrastructure. It’s money into the local economy, with safe mooring which could easily be achieved with the marinas etc you’d have return on investment in less than 10 years. Most canal schemes are within 5-7. The issue is that isn’t money in hand it’s to the local economy, more use of business etc you don’t directly see it like you would fares on a railway. Then the development that springs up around is a gradual improvement to the area.
@CourtAboveTheCut OK I bow to your knowledge on the economic benefits. I have no knowledge of your location but I assume you know this area . It is a narrow corridor of enterprising industry. From whole printing and heavy engenering to long stay/ overnight haulage park. With many small companies in between. And I love it. Plus I would love to see it developed
A secure marina ? Publicly owned, yes. Privately owned I doubt it.. you would require a fully enclosed site with robust fencing to start with. A car park where cars can, in the first instance equally as secure. I just don't see how you could convince "me" and my 150k boat to tie up there. If RMBC will open the canal and build the marina fine. The video looks like it is a long stretch of canal almost into the centre of town. I guess it is more like half a mile and it stops just over a quarter of a mile away from the town hall. .
I want to keep saying I love the idea and I love the area because I do and I would love to see it open I just have my doubts.
Just as an aside it would be interesting to see if the money spent opening up what was a record holding bridge,( I think it was Europe's widest span) , has had that economic benefit you mention in your reply as it is now about 10 years since it was completed. And again a marvellous piece of engineering and forward planning.
I wish those involved with this project all the luck in the world. And I hope to come back and see it.
Nick S.
PS still a fantastic video and a bit of history.
The demographics of Rochdale council won't be interested interested in the heritage of canals unfortunately.
That much is clear so far, we can’t let councils decide on what they want though, it’s what’s good for the community not what’s good for a few out of touch councillors
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Will do! Thanks for the link Steve
@ no problem!