You will NEVER be Chinese!
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There are many reasons that a foreigner will never be Chinese, and it is not limited to only the citizenship restrictions. It boils down to cultural and racial identity.
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Yet when they enter our country they magically are considered American. I love the one sided relationship.
The difference is, certain groups are not permitted to have a cultural and/or racial identity. Specifically, white people are not permitted to have a racial identity nor are they even fully respected when celebrating their roots. Which is labeled as "flaunting their white privilege." What leftist policy has done in China, leftists here in the USA have done the same thing, denying certain people an identity and leftists always have a "reason" for their bigotry.
Admiral Ackbar that socialism for you
Homer: His issue is the one-sided relationship in evidence today. You're missing the point if you have to go to a history book to contend it. The Chinese Exclusion Act was repealed in 1943.
crapvile: Bringing up attitudes from 70+ years ago does not help your argument. Today, a Japanese or Chinese person is perfectly free to apply for US citizenship. Last year, the number of immigrants coming to the US from China outnumbered those coming from Mexico. Most of those people will become naturalized citizens. The point of the video and the comment you're responding to is that Americans aren't afforded the same freedom if they decide to move to China, even when marrying a Chinese citizen. (edit: i misspelled your name "crapville" lol D:)
You are a clear example of how clueless racist americans are. Immigrants are FAR, way too far from being considered "magically" Americans.
Every time a local tells me: "You'll never be a Chinese" I just tell them: "I never want to be, my country is way better". you should see the look on their faces :)
Probably a quick way to get a bunch of crazy people to get physical
@@TheJP100 Those soy boys aren't confrontational they yell alot but no action
Lol love it!
I’m a white American married to a north mainland Chinese, and I’ve lived in a tier-3 city in China for over 2 years now. I have high-level Chinese and have adjusted many of my personal habits to assimilate. I agree with every sentiment in this video. Very tired of the daily comments from each person I walk by, the stares, picture-taking, and sometimes erratic and dangerous behavior (for example a passing motorcyclist turning back to look at me 7 times while still driving, almost hitting a car). Wish I could be more independent (bank accounts, credit card, work ability, pension, Taobao). There is good and bad in every situation, which is why I am still here. I appreciate your honesty and please keep making similar videos. Don’t give into the haters :-)
I guess I am lucky. I have never had that experience in Shanghai. I never really cared what other people say or think even in America and I have family in Shanghai which does make a big difference in adjusting to the culture as they insist on doing many things for me and explain the nature of Shanghai citizens. Just a wee bit of Shanghaihua goes a long way in making acquaintances. I generally avoid the tourist areas and have found that 99% of the people in the districts are kind. Additionally they do not have the violence of the major cities in the USA which is very comforting after coming from Philadelphia, PA, USA..
I was talking to a Chinese person in Shenzen. They say they recently saw on CCTV 4000 foreigners were given "green cards." What do you know about that?
@@GeekBoy03 4000 is a drop in the bucket, and they don't say what those people had to do to get it. About as reliable as reading it in Time magazine. (I am neither Chinese nor American).
In any case, the video mainly was about being married in China yet not being allowed to work etc etc on your marriage visa, no matter how long married, nor how long you live in China. Here's another thought - they effectively enforce the retirement age. I am almost 65. I would love to spend a year or two teaching in China, but despite having qualifications and connections, I would not be allowed to work in a State School, and would not now be given a work permit even for a Private Training Establishment (English school or preschool/kindergarten).
@@legaleagle7226 Yes I know what the video is about, but I do wonder how those others are getting visas after these two saying they could not get them.
Maybe they have never seen a non Chinese before?
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But then they go to the UK and study in British Universities....
You can't blame them. EVERYONE go to UK, US and other English countries to learn that international language. Because "English" usurped almost every county before.
Well these guys obviously did! and why can't they have it? The UK is overcrowded but still chinese go their and get all kinds of rights. Just another way the chinese are allowed to cheat. It must be stopped.
Alf Not only chinese go to UK or other western countries. It has become common for immigration in western countries. Unlike China. Much time is needed when more and more foreign immigration in China becomes common.
You gotta realise that UK has an established VISA system, designed to accept international students. China is not gonna be the same, education is not that widely commercialized. And hey, UK has better Uni rank too
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I'm a foreigner living in China for 8 years. Recently watched a few of your videos and found those to be interesting. However this particular video is really misguiding. Sorry to say, but your knowledge about China rules and how things work in context of this video is MOSTLY wrong.
1. So foreigners can't get a credit card? I got 2 from 2 different banks and I could easily get more if I want. And that's without any help from anybody. Reason: Banks here need guarantee that their money is safe and you won't run away. I own property here and I showed them the property owner certificate and that's all. I got both of my cards within 20 days.
2. That brings me to the next point you are totally misguiding people about that you can't own a property in your name. No sir. 3 years ago, without any external help I purchased a property and also got loan from the bank all on my own. Property certificate was also 100% on my name as I was not married then. Last year, I got married, sold my apartment and then bought a villa. Now since I bought that after getting married to a Chinese, so both of us equally own the property as per Chinese law.
3. Foreigners can't get train tickets online? Absolutely wrong. I've been doing so for the last 4 years using my own passport number. In fact I do it every week as for my job I have to commute between Shanghai and Suzhou every week. Yes, their website is in Chinese, but it does not forbid foreigners to buy tickets online.
4. Foreigners can't use online banking? Totally wrong again. Unlike the train ticket booking website, almost all major banks in China have their dedicated English version websites that support almost all of the online banking features. I myself have been using those features for different banks for at least 5 years.
5. Foreigners can't stay in some hotels? True but not in the way you are putting it forward. By Chinese rules, only the hotels with 3 star ranking or above are allowed to accommodate foreigners. That's just for foreigners' own safety and comfort since the hotels below that ranking in China are pretty bad and might not be safe as well.
6. Foreigners can't get a green card? I have not tried it myself but as I know there are several ways. The easiest of which is to get married to a Chinese national and stay in China for at least 5 years where each year the period of stay should be at least 9 months.You should have stable source of income and/or a decent job. Besides now the new laws allow you to get a residence permit for 5 years if you are doing job in some of the categories put forward by the government that include high tech/IT people, scientists etc. and that your monthly salary should be at least 60,000 RMB.
7. Getting married to a Chinese does not disqualify you from doing a job here. You can be married and on a work visa at the same time. Only if you are married and on a family visa, you are not allowed to work.
Not to say that life of foreigners here in China are easy, just that many of those points in your video are totally invalid because of your lack of knowledge.
Zaigham Riaz congratulations. You're a property owner. They covered this.
@Zaigham Riaz to be fair many of these developments are recent. I have been here seven years and I couldn't do all those things back in 2010. It has all gotten easier over time as the tech develops. Online banking was hell back in 2010. Now it can be done easily on your phone. You could only buy property in designated foreigner areas back in 2010. Now I think you can buy a building, though not land, anywhere. Things change. It's unfair to just flat out say they are wrong.
S: So, C-Milk, I've gotta a question for you.
L: Sure.
S: You're married, right?
L: Ya.
S: …to a chinese person?
L: Hm.
S: So am I.
L: Nice.
conversation between kings
S: My wife is a doctor.
You are only a nobel prize away from getting Chinese citizenship or Green Card.
As a Chinese, I tell you this: If you are just an Chinese average person, you can't even get a long term residence at the city you work. For example, I was born at Hebei province, I work and live in Beijing now. I need to request a certificate called "居住证" every a few years to live in Beijing. This crap happens to every Chinese that work and live at a place he/she was not born at.
A Chinese citizen needs to request another certificate to work and live in his/her own country. So you understand what will happen to foreigners.....
True. Thanks for the example.
你说得对，You're totally right！
Thanks for the info
I'm lucky , I work and live in my hometown .
杜巍 good luck
as a chinese teenager that grew up outside of china, i was really surprised when i started to notice my disdain towards people that weren't chinese. i was only allowed to hang out with other chinese but this subtle racism was slowly ingrained into my subconcious throughout my childhood, as people around me always talked about how people of other races were not as great as the chinese. i dont consider myself racist or proud of my nationality, but its really annoying when i instinctively avoid anyone thats not chinese in public spaces and have to give myself a pep talk about racism every single time. at least i know what not to do when i'm a parent.
Good on you
Thanks for sharing very interesting. I think for westerners we have a hard time wrapping our heads around this discordance between China’s view of itself and the view we grew up with in that it’s an exceptionally populous state but of similar development.
Yes thanks for sharing i can feel a bit the same thing. I'm Swedish and i have heard a lot of slander against immigrants during my childhood. And even though I'm progressive and have foreign friends i still find it harder to make contact with new foreigner for some reason. As you said some subconscious survival instinct i don't wish i had.
Racism is hate. Ignorance is as common as it is curable.
@@Xerobound and hate is weird and wrong? Pure craziness? Racism whatever.
I as a foreigner feel not entirely respected when I am in China. Not being allowed to stay in some hotels, spending 30 minutes to buy a train ticket and being treated with suspicion from any authority I am in contact with does not feel great. I luckily don't live in China, but as I have Chinese girlfriend I have to go there at least once a year. When her parents are dead we will burn China (meaning we will not return). So my problem is not racism from Chinese people. It is the way one is being treated and how few rights one has.
I feel sorry. I feel like I contribute to this culture somehow. I will try my best to change people around me.
Thanks mate
wow，你居然回我了，额，我看你视频很久了，I am a super-duper fan of your channel. Thanks a lot for the reply.
The Guru of Kang nobody cares about you dog-eating pussies.
Don't feel sorry. You should protect your ethnicity and be proud of it. Americans can never become Chinese. This is something you get from birth.
You guys are literally living like second-class citizens
Third class because they are not allowed to work.
@@dwightsmith4641 They dont need to work, they have a quite big income from youtube/patreon/donations/etc.
SerpentZA has 1700 patreons, that means between 1700 and 5000$ per month with Patreon only.
These dudes make like 10k a month each if not more, which is huge in China.
I lived in China for 7 years myself and spoke both Mandarin and Wenzhounese fluently. I thought this video was spot on and I was laughing my ass of for the majority of it. I always hated how as a "serious foreigner" (someone who loves the country and wants to assimilate/live there long-term) it's practically impossible to "become Chinese". I had never wanted to give up my American citizenship and become a Chinese national, but I did want to get a green card badly as it was very troublesome to have to always renew the work visas every year, etc. Also because of the work visas employers are able to hold you by the balls (or pussy! Don't get Trump excited now) and really take advantage of you because of it. I had an employer before who basically threatened to ruin my life in China if I left the place to go to another school that was offering me a better compensation package. I didn't take him seriously but he was certainly able to do it because I was unable to get my work VISA with my new company and I had to work on a tourist VISA for several months and even go to HK to renew the tourist VISA until it finally ran out and I had to go home. China really does make it incredibly hard for foreigners who want to come there and practically become Chinese and I just find this reprehensible as an American. I can't tell you how many foreigners that come here, refuse to learn English and even bitch about so many things that it's like why are you even fucking here bro and yet they are still considered Americans and have all the legal protections in the world to back it up. Meanwhile I go to China, become fluent in not only Mandarin but the hardest dialect in all of China, marry a Chinese and live a culturally similar lifestyle to native Chinese and still I can't even get a fucking green card much less citizenship.
Honestly the biggest thing holding back China (for foreigners as well as Chinese) is the CCP's dictatorial hold on power. Until that goes I'm afraid we'll never be able to be Chinese, or anything close to it.
Sebastian Wolfstein lol, one more reason to take down the CCP.
Sebastian Wolfstein it's the same thing in Thailand, the law actually forbids you to own property. And those guys aren't communists. The asians are just pathetically racist.
Sebastian Wolfstein i think with the elite preaching global fairy dream, it is important global diversity is maintain, when i look back history such as greek byzantine, rome, persia, it is a shame they were wiped.
Guys, i have a simple question.
Why you seem to find so hard to accept such rejection?
I mean, it is supposed to work like with girls... no amount of devotion toward a woman gives her any duty or obligation.
You move into a small remote town in your own country and you'll probably be seen as a stranger or the new guy for the next 50+ years.
And you expect and entire country to see you as something you're not? Just face reality. This is the way things are and it has nothing to do with China specifically.
--Agree with you about the CCP though.
The half black half Chinese girl was considered and called not Chinese even though she was raised in China, spoke only Chinese, etc.
It makes me think it all boils down to whether or not you look Chinese.
I think a lot of that has to do with how much like everyone else you look, sure. There's an interview with a half-black half-Japanese guy on YT somewhere in the same situation (born and raised in Japan, speaks only Japanese, etc) where he talks about feeling like an outsider because he didn't LOOK Japanese.
Being White-Asian is maybe the LEAST hated of all combinations, because the "white" half doesn't really negatively affect the Asian half. Instead, it makes the Asian-half look less "hard". Like, I know a few half-White, half-Asian people and few of them have "hard" Asian faces... and if they were born and raised in Asia, they're accepted WAY more often, and can blend into the crowd a bit easier... all because they look FAR MORE "Asian" than they do look "not-Asian".
Jame Gumb
There are other biracial Asians who are less conspicuous than biracial black-Asian, and are probably less conspicuous than white-Asian. A Indian Japanese model won the Miss Japan pageant recently, which is really tough to compete in if you don't appear Japanese
it's just that white is the preferred foreign race in Asia (if you have to be foreign or biracial at all)
Well, nobody is usually "half" as genetics aren't distributed equally.
Who is the half black/chinese girl?
Name?
Cody Brown That’s not true. Asians came from Africa and are far closer related to Africans genetically than Europeans who traveled along a different route.
Hey there. Just wanna say that I stumbled into this channel about 14 hours ago and have since been binge watching it. I'm not a Chinese and had no interest in China but I find that your honest commentaries remarkably sharp and interesting. Keep up the great work!
"Debit card like a teenager"
Genetically Im 3/4 chinese and 1/4 malay and my government classifies me as a malay(indigenous). Its like the system is rigged that it is willing to allow anyone to be accepted as the main race.
Meanwhile in the local culture, when a chinese marries an indigenous, the chinese community sometimes calls it "masuk melayu" means kinda like "turning malay". As if their own blood and kin means nothing to them, and that youre discarded from the group. And there are significant enough cases of racially chinese people abandoned by their families this way. Its sad, but theres little I can do
Chinese come to Argentina by the thousands and just do whatever they want.
pero te fumás un faso y está todo bien..
SalveMonesvol Well, tourists of any country are a nuisance -- 'till you get your capitalistic mind-gears churning.
uruk boff Not true.
SalveMonesvol "Wrong!"
Explain...
uruk boff First of all; I was talking about immigration. The Chinese usually come in great numbers, have their own mafia, and don't even bother to learn the language.
Regarding tourists, we get them from all around the world, and I have nothing bad to say about people from Uruguay, Spain, europe in general, etc.
Now imagine being treated this way when all your family and ancestors have lived in the country longer than them.
I hope our government could give the foreigners who live in China for a long period a kind specific ID card in order to make their lives more convenient and fair. Hope it is possible in future.!
What about citizenship
yes it would be nice for china to treat there immigrants as nicely as almost all other nations but the racism of the ccp will not allow it. I wouldn't bother to hope while the ccp is ruling.
I meant "their"
不可能的 那样政府将会被推翻！
People who complain about "Negative Videos" Are the type of people that want to be lied to and want to live their life in a total delusion.
ya, they abandoned their country. :) Well I say that, but I was an ex-pat for quite some time. It was the same for me. you can't be this-country-nese. Whatever, I never lost any sleep over it.
so the dumbies?
Correction! My Uncle just retired as a CEO of a major Japanese Bank and I was amazed to find out that he was never granted Japanese citizenship. He spent close to 30 years in Japan. So this issue is far from just a Chinese issue. Lets say its an asian issue. Side note, he ended up with a chinese wife.
Asians despise each other, but when someone comes with traits peculiar to them, they become a unit as well as consider themselves the heirs of the Mughal Empire and the descendants of Genghis Khan.
That is so weird and racist! I'm so thankful to be an American right now!
Huh. If the Chinese government won't issue citizenship even if a foreigner has married into Chinese society, if they won't even allow for some basic rights such as a government I.D. so you can get credit and own property and be married while still having a job then why shouldn't countries outside China reciprocate in kind? Maybe countries outside China should withhold those rights to newly arrived Chinese until China's policies can be more fair.
Of course on paper a foreigner can do all those things in China but in reality they just won't let it happen unless there are extraordinary circumstances.
In my country that wouldn't work, we have a pretty open mind for immigrants.
As long as you don't send money away from the country, you are one of us. That's why when someone comes with his whole family he gets better treatment than someone that's just working to send money to the family in his/her country of origin.
But that's it for the government, for the population in large, after a few months we usually even forget that the person in question doesn't speak the language very well.
If the government tried to crackdown on people that already got their "green card"(I don't remenber the name that we use here). There would be a massive backlash from the people.
R Moura
I wouldn't want any government to crack down on people who already had their green cards anyways. Just newcomers.
I'm not sure that many countries outside of China care much at all that their citizens can't get Chinese green cards anyways.
Strideo1 or even trade...reciprocity was supposed to be the way to deal with China.
This is what I'm leaning towards. I live in canada where we have a huge chinsese expat community and massive real estate inflation specifically because chinese foreigners are buying property in droves as stable investment. The fault is with our governments for allowing this situation.
I was very torn about Trump's proposed trade war with china. I've already had to deal with IP issues from there, but my instincts are towards ease of international commerce. However it's starting to sound like he's right (about this issue at least) China needs to be pressured. Now is the time to do it too. They are suffering from the same economic problems the USA had in 2008 and even a small shock could leave their economy crashing. North America needs to take advantage of the situation.
Thanks for this video, it really helps me to understand my personal situation better. My parents say that I will never be British, even though my British friends consider me as British. Now I understand where they come from. :)
Don't worry you are totally British. Tell your parents to shut up with their stone age backwards way of thinking.
As soon as you have any form of British accent, you can't be anything but British.
A Thai friend has been in uk long enough and has got her uk passport and official citizenship. So can legally say they are British. That is the difference, she will always be Thai but is British.
I am of Welsh heritage. I consider myself British and not Welsh, my Dad keeps insisting that I am Welsh, but nah not feeling it. ;)
You are totally British.
No you're not British, BUT I believe people of Oriental origin are not viewed as invaders like other non indigenous more numerous races, and you come from a culture indigenous people respect. It's a hard truth, but I mean it kindly.
I wish Europeans would think the same way Chinese and other Asians do :(
Yah that way they wouldn't bomb the middle east and pretend to be the refugees saviors
Ascended Sleeper
Exactly.
Have any of you heard about Tibet..?
You should look for the documentary on the ccp.
It's not like Asians have done tons of other shit.
I want to go to Beijing to breathe the healthy air.
Tons of "healthy air" will be waiting for you, come get it :))
haha I have actually been to Beijing. Every country has its good and bad parts, I really loved eating Jiao Zi, and all the other authentic Chinese food.
wo de zhong wen hen hao yin wei wo de bai
Do you mean "Wo de zhong wen hen hao yin wei wo shi ge bai ren"?
My Chinese is a bit rusty, though.
in most parts, some parts are pretty bad. Los Angeles is pretty bad.
XG Shipyard/ China
Speak ahhh Engrishhhhh maaa puckaaa
"Absolute Vanilla Face McDonalds Foreigner"
I am holding on to that as long as I can.
You know what, I just realized, you guys actually love China more than most Chinese do. Well most Chinese really don't understand what it means to love one's own country.
dont worry you can always become german :)))))))))))))))))))
help us
JohnSmith lmao
You are an idiot ! Unless you're Turkish ? You'll never be a German !
S Zissou haha
or every other country with a violent culture
Yet millions of turks in Germany...
hahahaha :D
In Japan and Korea you hear the same thing from foreigners.
yumi mango because we are not immigrant country
Europe isnt either but yet people from all around the world flood us
Slashplite poor you, but what cause them losing their homes ? (USA)
MeiXIng Michael yep. USA, Russia, Saudi Arabia. Regular troublemakers. But we need to pay for that.
Slashplite right, you guys are not isolated to any of those chaotic countries at all. Uncle Sam was sitting tight on the chair, yelling , "we gonna bomb the hell of them " ......
Wow...very enlightening. I wonder how my son is doing over there. He is married to a Chinese National and has 2 children with her. He Lives Near you guys, and has been teaching there for quite a few years now. I don't hear from him much, but there isn't a day that goes by that I don't think of him and his beautiful family. I think he got that traveling thing from me(hence my gmail name). I just subscribed to your channel and the information I'm getting from all your vids is real helpful in my understanding what he is probably going through....thankyou
Glad we can help shed a little light on life over here and what foreigners go through
Your videos are super cool, I have learned so much I almost feel that I have been in China already. Clear and to the point, great!!!!
_Whoah, nice shot there, heh-heh._
Why not just move your bike out of everyone's way _anyway_?
Trust me, it doesn't matter. They would have gone around them anyway if they weren't turning right there. If you ever travel to China you'll see for yourself exactly what I mean. Cars and electric scooters travel on the same roads, often passing within inches of each other, and no one thinks anything of it.
William Allman
Ok, thanks.
:)
Jack Sainthill You're welcome. I have only lived here 2 months, but I can tell you from personal experience that it's unlike anything you have experienced before. :-)
I know..
btw do chinese ever finish any of the houses they started building?
they're nail houses.
I was watching the video on nail houses, I'm going through the comments and I expect the finish in a couple of days.
looked like a ghost town
Take a look at South Korea, they've got entire condo complexes with about a dozen people living in them. 'Housing Boom' does not equal 'No Homeless' - 'Canadian Winter' and 'Brazilian Death Squads' do!
John Wilkinson Maybe it is, but they will finish one day. Cuz this place looks like in countryside, sometimes the local residents don't have much money or resources or time to finish it, so they will temporarily put it by aside.
Totally agree. It's also hard being Asian American (not Chinese descent) in China. People tend to assume I'm some Chinese minority "from the mountains" or from Xinjiang, and brush me and my black friends off in favor of my more white-looking friends. Your videos really help deal with issues of living here! Don't get me wrong, I love the culture, but it is frustrating and hurtful at times.
Both of you you are supermen. All the best of luck to you and your art in such a narrow minded culture. I have been teaching in Vietnam these last three years.
Glad to see the two of you team up....
On the other hand, I have never been to China, don't read Chinese, don't speak Chinese, but I have ALWAYS been Chinese.
john lee
you will see
Peter Cob - Good luck.
You are Chinese only in the western world. In China nobody sees u as Chinese
也只是你的一厢情愿罢了
@JR BB: In every Chinese Party Congress Report, the president always address to "all the Chinese around the world". Chinese is in the DNA; it is not a matter of opinion.
Can relate to you guys as I have a foreign father. My father has been residing in China for nearly 25 years. People would not identify him as a foreigner because he is overseas Chinese, but he has not gotten any forms of permanent residency either. The polices are just not in place to address the issue of the rising number of transnational families. While China does has an overpopulation issue currently, it is not justified for the government to keep asking foreigners for visas when they want to settle here and have made contribution to the society.
Having said that, the policies might change soon, as China is going to face a decline in workforce. The birth rate is still falling, well below the replacement rate, yet the Chinese government has not come to realise that it need to abolish its outdated birth control polices. I don't see any reasons for the government to not accept immigrants who are willing to adopt the local culture and well-integrated to their communities to fill up the population gap.
A lot of people still don't realize how fast the demographics are changing in China. They are already having serious issues with very low marriage and birth rates, and a rapidly aging population.
play_better not every government need immigrants to fill up their population you idiot, expecially when most of the people that actually gets a green card in China have proven they're worthy of it.
China most certainly needs more young population to maintain a healthy demographic structure. The number of permanent residency given out in China per year is pathetic compared to the sheer size of the population gap. Rudong county is a place where the Chinese government has first experimented the one-child policy system, 20 years before the actual implementation across the country. It now has over 30% of its population over 60. If the government still does not step up its game, in 20 years this would be China.
Under China's current definition of worthiness of immigrants, few people can settle here. Not everyone is able to make exceptional contribution that is desired by China. If China wants to tackle this pressing demographic issue, then any immigrants that have integrated to the local community should be worthy.
play_better or they can have incentives to mothers like Russia. They can change the culture into a culture that promotes motherhood, like Muslims and Jews. They do what they want, sticking with a policy just because is retarded.
Thank you so much for this informative video, it gives me a very good insight into the real-life feeling of living in China. I felt sad about all these disadvantages that you guys facing after you have lived here for so long. From my perspective, I think one of the reason goes that China is still in a very early stage of accepting foreigners as its citizens (which actually has a lot of cultural and social impact concerns that the government has to take into consideration), and related system is still very immature, but I believe the system will keep improving in the future. Good luck and be awesome!
I agree 100% 👍👍👍👍 i’ve been here for 7 years , married and bla bla bla exactly same experience
Westerners who have been raised in political correctness need to understand that the rest of the world is HIGHLY tribalist/nationalist/racialist/ethnicist. The concept of multiculturalism is foreign and unpleasant to them. They know who they are and want to remain that way. Even in the west only whites are supposed to embrace multiculturalism. Blacks, Muslims, orientals, Jews all constantly promote their own interests at the expense of other groups, and the general white majority: La Raza, CAIR, NAACP, AIPAC...
You're conflating multiculturalism with the melting pot/assimilation.
white people suffer from pathological altruism, the rest of the world does not
its that simple
So we're not even allowed a whites-only country in EUROPE? Why?
thank you, I'm exactly who you're talking about and I had this jaded view of traveling. It's unsettling and I wish it wasn't the truth. As for the second argument I wouldn't go as far as naming extremes, but in the work/study place it seems all sides struggle with identity so they look to popular culture and media.
exactly. Left-wingers keep talking as if europeans were a majority group, while they are a MINORITY endangered by africa, that will go from 1,1billion to 5,1 billion people in the next 80 years... that will be the end of cultural variation, the west will become an immense bronx
That's truth but not just china. Any East asian countries.
Plus although I am Chinese who live in Japan so many years and I speak fluent Japanese l will never be Japanese also.
That's true, even with some 3rd gen Korean-Japanese are considered outsiders still, they don't stigmatise against them much though they just don't see them as Japanese, 3rd gen may be a bit much but people just over I can understand. I'm Irish and an Indian was being racist towards my girlfriends brother who's Filipino the Indian saying he was Irish, it is a bit much I'll always be ethnically Irish no matter what country I went to or became a citizen of.
The real problem is western culture has always been mixing identities. But in Asia’s the main races , Chinese, Koreans, Japanese and Viets have hated each other for a thousand years now so the hate for foreigners is ingrained in Asians.
Yeah Chinese people has some historical issues with Japan, if you are living in other developed countries you may changed your mind.
yes, I totally agree. I am also a foreigner in Japan, it is very similar here too.
Inheritance
The Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, and Vietnamese have not hated each other for thousands of years. Please study their histories more before making sweeping and misinforming generalizations.
The Japanese is a relatively young civilization compared to other countries, including China and Korea. Despite claiming that their nation was founded in 660 BCE, most scholars dispute this and place its founding much later; in any case, during the Tang dynasty of China (618-907), Japan was only just leaving its Neolithic age and was so enamored with China that they sent many students abroad to learn all of China's customs, copying all their fashions, building their capital of Kyoto as an exact replica of Chang'an, and adopting all their institutions. Moreover, a constant and steady migration of Koreans and Chinese to Japan for persisted for centuries.
Korea may have been a vassal state of China for most of its history, but their general relationship was that of older-younger sibling.
Real conflict between these three did not first arise until the Imjin War when Japan under Toyotomi Hideyoshi invaded Korea in the 1590s.
China was for most of its history quite welcoming to foreigners. 1/3 of the population of its capital of Chang'an was composed of Arab, Persian, Turkish, Korean, and Japanese immigrants during the Tang dynasty. It was only during the Ming dynasty (1368-1644) that China began to shut itself off from the world due to a conservative government, and Japan, emulating China as always, decided to follow the same policy. The silly emperor who did this thought that it would stop piracy but it only worsened it because it impoverished coastal towns who no longer had access to trade forcing these fishermen to turn to piracy. This was what set the trend for isolationist attitudes in East Asia.
I rather hope you can become an American, Winston, and have an awesome future travelling and working in many different places.
Enjoying your videos (old and new). Have experienced many of the same things living in Vietnam. Keep up the great work.
After 23 years in South Korea I can totally relate to you guys. It's not as bad for me, but pretty damn close.
As a South-Korean American who has also traveled to Japan and loved it there, it always upsets me when I hear about the racist and xenophobic tendencies of the people in those countries. Pisses me off actually.
To be honest, I'd probably be an asshole to those people. But then again, I wouldn't stay in a place where people don't accept me.
Travel to the other side of the globe, to be looked down, is not me, there are other cultures and places to be.
DarkPock i heard Hawaii is very tolerant
Meanwhile President-elect Trump is being blasted because he wants to deport illegals and make the immigration process a bit tighter. Liberals are all up in arms about this type of behaviour. So vile, so "anti-globalism". Meanwhile they don't care about China or the other asian countries where they do a tenfold stricter version of P-e Trump's immigration policies.
people blast him because we dont need to be like them it benefits nobody to become shit like somebody else. always lead by example.
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Yes, we do, actually. Globalism is killing America. You know who it benefits? Everyone else but the American PEOPLE. We aren't responsible for the rest of the world and we will no longer let illegals and those who enable them walk all over the US laws.
The proposed measures aren't even close to becoming like China, either way.
Nothing wrong with that. It's in the human nature to look down on outsiders and primarily want to stay among their own kind. That's not an issue if you come as a tourist or guest - guest are like fish: welcome until the overstay and start to stink - or if you plan to stay, put effort into assimilating and give them a reason why they should except you, but that's another ballgame.
I used to live in Japan and 99% of all the things you said in this video apply to being a foreigner in Japan also. It's still almost impossible to get Japanese citizenship. I only knew one guy who managed it because his grandmother was Japanese.
But you don‘t have nearly as many issues with credit cards and hotel reservations. But then again I don‘t know when you lived there. Japan recently has been much more foreigner friendly.
As someone with a Japanese grandparent as well, my grandmother (legally) isn’t considered a Japanese person anymore since she moved to the US. That surprised me a lot because she was born in Japan, raised in Japan, and yet that wasn’t enough. You’re either with them or against them.
I am from Hebei province, after I studied and worked in Beijing for years but I was still not considered as Beijing resident. It is extremely frustrated that even Chinese people are treated differently by which city you are born. My ex’s family(from Beijing) picked on that so we broke up. I did another number years of study and work in Canada. I have been recognized as who I am here and my efforts put in the society has been appreciated. I married to a guy love me and his family love me even I am in a different colour. I feel so sad that Canadians treated me better than people from the country I come from. I know I can’t change the culture, the only thing I can do is choosing where I want to stay.
"Wow that was close." While standing in the middle of the road.
Close the hitting the camera I believe.
The camera dude...
Who cares they're all in the middle of the street!
Don't bother mate, clueless comment anyway. Just looking for something to snap at.
It's the case in Japan, Korea, Thailand and all the Asian countries I have lived in. Not being allowed to work is a thing but society will see you as a foreigner even if you have lived in the country for 50 years and speak the language better than them, you will be "guest" forever.
it's a shame that only western countries allow everyone to assimilate.
No it's not, look at Germany and their "guests" assimilating.
@zdrux It's a totally different thing. In Germany they try to absorb a lot of people in the same time, they are families, who don't speak the local language and very often uneducated thus they will hardly find a decent job if any. Here we talk about people with usuallya good education, and a good grasp on the language, people with a good job are still and for ever alienated by the society.
chongtak Actually that's the case in most countries of the world. The Anglo-Saxon form of citizenship is actually an anomaly.
Even if we born in USA even after 50 years the white/Black people still treat us like Asian.. we just a American ( guest only )
Wow, I would NEVER have wanted to go to China and become a Chinese citizen. I don't even feel comfortable eating at Panda Express! I have never even wanted to visit China. I guess that's why I like the videos you two guys make, I can see what China is like, and I never have to go there! Keep up the good work!
Really liked the episode! Thank you guys! You are awesome!
Wooow... If only the immigrants that come to Sweden (and the rest of Europe I guess) were even a TENTH as positive and willing to assimilate as you are... Boy oh boy.
Come on my friend, don't be so negative. Try not to generalize people. Good luck and have a nice day! ;-)
Uuuh uuh uuh "have a nice day" ?
DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO
*hork hork hork hork*
Yeah, you cant get a chinese citizenship and free government grants, thats basically fullblown nazism seen from a Swedish point of view. In Sweden foreigners get more and cheaper welfare-benefits than Swedish citizens them selfs lol.
This is such a creative format of a video to talk about a topic while riding motorbikes!
I can just imagine these two rocking up to my front door down some narrow lane, and turning around and zooming off.. I'm left wondering what kinda bandits just passed me by!
We love you guys. Do not give up your dreams! Things will work out. All the best to your bright future.
If I ever made a video on this topic, this is exactly how it would sound like. I've been in China for 10 years and I'm still being treated the same - if not worse. Work visa conditions are changing every year and they demand more with each change. At the same time, work visa is attached to the employer, so if you want to change your job, you will have to go through a lot of trouble to change your work permit as well. If your employer is a douchebag or psychopath (there are quite a few stories like this), he might refuse to provide you the documents you need such as release letter and reference. A friend of mine went to Belgium at the same time when I came to China. He was allowed to work starting in 2009 (since he was married to a Belgian national) and became a Belgian national three years ago. Meanwhile, I cannot even get a train ticket like Chinese can because I don't have a Chinese ID. As for the Chinese "green card", that one is not available to regular foreigners, regardless of how long they have been in China. Only the ones who made "significant contributions to China" can get it (e.g. the American who successfully lobbied for China to host Summer Olympic Games in 2008 or an Indian who invested around USD 3 million in China and also donated similar amount to charity). Another interesting thing about this "green card" was that was unusable in practice - these people couldn't do anything with them (open a bank account, book an air ticket, use it to buy property...) and still had to use their passports. Once a foreigner - always a foreigner.
Vladimir Prostran lol, if you never had a green card, you'd know how Chinese green card work by guess or friends?
A few years ago there was an article about it in Shanghai City Weekend. I remember all these details, because I was interested if it was possible for a regular foreigner to get a Chinese permanent residence and really dived into it. The reporters found several people (all of them based in Beijing) who had Chinese "green cards" and interviewed them. What I noticed was that none of the interviewees got their "green cards" after 2004 - all of them received in the period between 1999 and 2003, in spite of the article being written in 2013 or 2014 (can't remember when exactly). However, you're correct, I don't know anyone who has a Chinese permanent residence (aka Chinese "green card") personally, in spite of being acquainted with quite a few people who have been in China for over 10 years.
Vladimir Prostran lol, why is the choice of who to interview came out as an issue about when they got the green card? If you've problem with the demographic that was interviewed maybe you should email the reporter.
That's not my point - my point is that the reporters obviously couldn't find anyone who got the "green card" recently and could provide an actual recent update on how to apply. It has nothing to do with demographics (I don't really care about that) and it has everything to do with the period when these permanent residences were issued, because the conditions for the "green card" approval have changed a lot over 10 years, but no one could provide any details on how (including the reporter who tried). The fact they couldn't find anyone whose makes me think that no "green cards" have been issued since then.
+Vladimir Prostran if that's the case than there shouldn't been anyone getting the green cards, but as we can see people still get them. I really careless about this.
I am a Chinese and living in the USA. An American woman told me to leave the USA. This kind of thing occurs everywhere. A lot of white people are racist in the USA and lots of them are not shaming to be who they are anymore.
why don't you just punch them into their face, if i meet this situation in the future, i will definitely do that.
These things happen, but it's not the equal of China.
Kimmel Zhang she is a woman. I can't punch a woman unless she is threatening my life.
Did you tell her to leave? You have just as much right to be there as she does.
BobClemintime I forget what I did to her. She looked like a crackhead. All I can do it laugh at it and move on.
Guys, been there, done that in China in so many similar ways. You guys are spot on! What an awesome channel, love it. Much love, Buddha with you. Stay awesome.
Thank you guys I appreciate your videos stay awesome
I saw the title of this and immediately understood what you mean.
The Chinese are not a country of immigrants. They have been indoctrinated to be proud of this. They are communist to the bone. Such a mentality cannot be overcome short of a brain transplant.
Yeah, it's hard to get in that mindset considering how open America is. I forget how different the rest of the world is. It's really amazing, and this difference at first frustrated me, but then I later learned to respect.
1. "The Chinese are not a country of immigrants"
I think it's more like "China is not a country of immigrants." But wut ever the idea is correct.
2. "They have been indoctrinated to be proud of this"
WRONG! (Trump voice) It's more like we had a population issue. China been trying to control the population growth for decades. And I guess immigration might not help with dat?
3. "They are communist to the bone"
The hell does communist have anything to do with dat?
4. "Such a mentality cannot be overcome short of a brain transplant."
Qué? You do realize the guy who wanna build a wall just got elected, right?
BTW, I gotta admit that Señor Trump is pretty much like Chinese.... who lived thousands of years ago. They too built a wall. And guess wut, it didn't work. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
This post displays a deep level of ignorance of both history and current events. The Chinese have a population issue but making it difficult for foreigners to do simple things or run and develop businesses won't help them. Communism has a LOT to do with why China is so messed up today.
As for Trump, very few people actually voted for him. He actually got fewer votes than Hillary.
nickmeistersa Dawg, using loaded words won't help the case.
China's immigration policy is very much related to it's population issue. But for difficulties of foreigners living, working in China I made another comment's. For short they just never updated their immigration policy to address this kinda issue. This type or problem never appears to China until the these years.
In fact not only foreigners cannot stay in China for long time. Chinese who adopt citizenship of another country would need to apply for visa to enter China as well. And they too have to renew it every year. Only recently Chinese government recognize this issue. so they're planning to provide a document called "Home Return Permit" for ex Chinese citizens to apply. Before, only citizen of HongKong or Macau can apply for this type of document.
The point is, this has nothing to do with Nationalism or Communism in China. It's just that China's not well prepared before it get's more involved in to the international world. There are many more legal, regulation issues China need to address.
BTW, talking about communism. Anything bad happens you blaming it on communism is kinda "ignorant". Now don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing communism is gud or wut. But one thing you could never blame on communism is on immigration issues. Because one of the major ideology of communism is internationalism: that one day we can break the border of all nations and all proletarians will be united.
Fun fact, there's the communism anthem recognized by all communist parties over the world. It's name is "L'Internationale" (The Internationale) XD
Fun fact2, guess who would more likely to gain Chinese Green card today: a proletarian or a rich bourgeoisie? XD.
Do you really believe they're communist??
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
My experience is most of Asia is like this. Very nationalistic. I hung around there 35 years ago, and I don't think it will change. Good luck.
You can get naturalized in Japan and South Korea :)
Jon Blondell bad grammar
That is why Asia is 99.9% racially genetically pure ...no mutts like in America
The Aryan dream is a reality in Asia by culture not by choice !
E Tow racism is not existed in Asia （mostly）, however the dilemma existed in Immigrant country
MeiXIng Michael It's not racist if you were cultured not to inbreed with other races, it's self preservation !
i hope you guys do more of these. love the conversation and scenery. please do more riding motorcycles and talking... this could be a show... with tons of episodes in different cities or at least routes
Better with motorcycles than cars, more freedom! Excellent format! Wish you all great success! Xie xie ni!
My dad worked in the Bahamas for a few years. What you can do and what you're supposed to be able to do are two completely separate things . It was very frustrating for him although he loved the country; he was on PI, which is most commonly known as Nassau.
And people say America immigration process is a pain in the ass.
The thing is that there is NO path for countries like China and Vietnam. There are simply too few Westerners who would want to trade their First World passport for one that makes international travel neigh impossible. Therefore the governments have been dragging their feet to create a path. Also they profit off the system because we have to keep buying visas. If there was a legitimate path to citizenship, it'd probably be easier than the US immigration process.
Source: applying for CR-1 visa for my Vietnamese partner. It's a nightmare and takes years.
Bullshit. These people don't want to lose their culture and heritage.
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may never be Chinese but I own more Chinese made stuff than anyone!
HAHA
hahaha if its not at wal mart we dont need it
Lol. 😂😂😂😂😂
You guys are awesome! Your wisdom is priceless! I've been to China about 15 times now 2 to 3 week vacations, trying to decide if I should move there with my Chinese wife. Everything you say makes total sense now that i'm more familiar with the culture there. I'm living in the states, and my wife is back home in rural China to have our baby. Your comment about the baby made me Lmao! I can totally see that happening to me...lol! You gave me food for thought I haven't considered yet, it's a big help. I don't think it's negative, it's honest.Love China and the gds!
Very informative. Well done !!! Stay true to how you feel and forget the rest!
You guys are absolutely amazing. PLEASE keep it up, all of your videos are pure gold!!! I look forward to every video you put out man, this is super important stuff for us to know. First youtubers of your kind.
Makes the current situation in London look all the more ridiculous. The natives are like second class citizens there now; our government has total contempt for its own people.
Andy King oh god another brexit voter
Oh god, another moron. ;)
poor guy, why did your family not raise you better to see all people are the same, why do you have to be so racist?
Andy King no, i'm talking to you, you brexit yes voter
Watch the video^. Race is basically a projection of the family anyway. Non-whites value their tribal connections more, whereas we seem to be heading for cultural genocide with our coffee coloured kids and single mothers.
Why do Chinese people look so fierce? They often have such a cold look about them.
Their angry because they use chopsticks so therefore can't eat more than a few grains of rice at a time which is frustrating.
I’m in Guizhou, Guiyang , an area that has been at a disadvantage to access good education. My school hired me because I speak Chinese and my students like me because I understand their needs and can communicate with them. I do understand that not being accepted feeling. The school does events quite often and I am not invited to or told about them until they are already over. Other non- English teachers ignore me and whenever I try to talk to them in Chinese they say their English is not good and walk away very rudely. Sometimes it is frustrating to be somewhere you are undervalued because you aren’t Chinese. I even had to sit through a speech that was all about resisting western influences and I was genuinely interested in talking to the guy afterwards but he just smiled and said 听不懂 and laughed at me and walked away.
I have lived in Beijing for nearly five years and i agree with everything that was said in the video beside the fact that Americans do in fact say "if you don't like it then leave" all the time.
Some people in Australia do say that too.
+wowalinbie well 99% of the people who say that understand politics the same way they read McDonald's menu. The 1% can't read the menu.
Well with It sounds more like they want to avoid conflicts and do not try to understand a different mindset
Whatever brainwashing your own people is like cutting their leg halfway so they cant run too far. When you get invaded you will be an easy target for stronger mindsets.
Americans used the term “Don’t like it, LEAVE!” All the time. Now that you get the same taste of bitter pills, you complain. Get used to that baby!
Ironic watching this when I'm Chinese.
Jia L. you don't know what irony is...
Well, enlighten me, what does irony mean and did I actually misuse it?
I think you yoused it right because you are a Chinese, but you will NEVER be Chinese. :)
Not gonna have a debate on the usage of the word "Irony" here. Also, correcting people's grammar on the internet? On TH-cam? C'mon guys, get it together lol.
Now im not getting it, who the hell did correct anybodys grammar? If you mean what im thinking what you mean then he was just criticising you choice of words because he thought there are more fancy words then the ones you used.
I now wana say PEACE OUT (drops mike)
Thank You
The mother-in-law comment was fantastic :'-)
3:36 Had to laugh when i realized they had to stop, cut, and pick up the camera before actually driving away.
So True, i have seen this to be true. So Winston: Come to Australia man, you and the Mrs will fit in very well. We have a number of Chinese communities. The Chinese here would rather do business with you a Chinese speaking westerner. you would just Kill it here in real-estate Winston. Your wife could start her own practice as well. You can join my Business anytime Winston. McC.
+Brendan McCreanor thanks mate! Good to know I have a backup plan!
Could do very well in much of the US and Canada also.
But Australia is boring compared to China and uber safe compared to South Africa. Winston would be bored out of his brain. And the real estate market like anywhere in the world is over heated. Getting a train ticket in Australia is easy but the Australian railway system is one Bulgaria would be ashamed of. The XPT is just shit compared to the C, D and G trains in China.
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I live in Australia and I have no such complaints about Chinese citizens. You must live in another universe to the one I live in.
I used to live in Sydney and now live in Adelaide. Wherever I have lived in Australia I have never had any issues with Chinese people.
17:16 wrong.
If you think that being legally a citizen of Japan makes you "Japanese," you are mistaken. The same things you are saying about China can be said of Japan. National identity is racial, cultural and ethnic, not legal in East Asia.
But it is legal, if you become a Japanese citizen, then you can't be deported from Japan. You can't be denied for anything because you have no Japanese blood from the STate.
I'll spend a couple of minutes of my precious life to help you understand: exactly the same circumstances that he describes of being legally "Chinese" apply to being "Japanese" by law.
what about whites?
Depends on the white person but subconsciously I think many of them won't consider other races as part of their national identity.
What you're saying is true, even if you are legally a citizen of China or Japan, socially they will almost always consider you a foreigner.
This is a super insightful video, no matter how negative the topic may seem. I’m sorry you both have to experience this. I wish the stereotypes wouldn’t proceed you and that people you know would accept you as more than just “foreigners”.
I see this as a series of documentaries. Well done for your honest and open opinions about China and other countries.
I agree with what they said. Not just in terms of nationality. If you are from Northern China but living in Guangzhou, married and working, for 10, 20, 50 years, the locals will still not accept you as a local Cantonese. Not to say when it comes to non-Chinese.
For a rural Chinese resident to make a living/work/get education/get healthcare in China, the hukou system is a huge pain in the ass. Restrictions on internal migration is ridiculously cumbersome too. Maybe knowing this will make non-Chinese friends feel a bit easier?
I was born and raised in Guangzhou/Canton. But at home we speak Mandarin. My Cantonese classmates in elementary and middle schools could detect the slightest Mandarin-ness in my Cantonese and call me out as a Northerner.
In China, there's always someone you can never be. Origin is a very very strong part of IDENTITY in Chinese culture.
This is how racist/regionalist/narrow-minded, whatever you call it, about many many Chinese people. I am not proud of and absolutely don't like this part about my culture at all.
thanks for your informative answer :)
how abot chinese descendants that were born in opther countries and can
speak mandarin. Do Chinese in China consider them as Chinese?
I know in Taiwan you are still Taiwanese. I'm not sure how the Chinese will see foreign born, but if your family or at least one parent are from the same region as the person you are talking to, then they might consider you as for example "chao zhou ren" regardless of what country you are from. But maybe that primarily applies to Chaozhou ren because there are more of them outside of China than inside it.
Agree with all your comments except racist. We are not a multi-racism country, so technically racist is not a valid word here. Probably foreigner haters?
Greer H i think bloodline and language plus cukture is more than enuff
Its not just a Chinese thing, Its an Asian thing. I spent many years in Thailand, my business partner has been there for 15 years, married, owns several businesses and has three kids born in Thailand. When he requested a Thai passport for the kids the Thai authorities just laughed. Of course such a thing in Europe would be completely unacceptable however in Asia this is not racism its just life.
It is racism. If that behavior is not acceptable from whites, then it can't be acceptable for any other race.
+TheFi0r3 You are really dumb xD
Ruilin Lin, "said the mouth breather".
TheFi0r3 Agreed!
Other peoples are the world majority. As it turns out, they define what's acceptable. White racism is not, though all others get a free pass. That is how it has been for decades, now.
The truth hurts sometimes. All you can do is go with the flow and hope no one takes you out with their ignorance. Keep up the good honest work. Love your videos.
You guys hit the nail on the head. I have never ever heard of anyone becoming a Chinese citizen... other than going through the other means of becoming a Hong Kong, Macau or Taiwan resident (which is still not held to the same mainland standard anyway). I look forward to seeing you guys on more adventures, and maybe i'll see you guys out and about the next time i'm in Hong Kong.
China for chinese people, Europe for europeans, USA for white european immigrants. Ethnonationalism is the way to go.
lightbladeMCnStuff - The truth is USA is for Native Americans only. Please explain why USA is only for white European immigrants? The Blacks, Chinese and other non European groups have contributed significantly to making USA the way it is today. Please look up the history of railroads in America. The way I see it is, USA welcomes all those who positively contributes to society such as being honest, work hard, keep the land clean and safe for everyone, respectful to one another, learn the common language (English).
+Bella Bell False, natives lost any claim to the land when they lost it in war. Just like how they would take land from rival tribes by war, natives can bitch and moan because Europeans spared them.
1000Subscribers NoVideo! - You're partially correct. However, there were not enough Irish immigrants to do the job; in addition, they were not good workers. Hence, Central Pacific shipped Chinese over to help build railroads with false promises. Crocker and Strobridge were very impressed with their excellent work ethics. The Chinese lived a very hard, unfair, mistreated living condition; many died on the job. Go to link I provided to read more about workers of the Central Pacific railroad.
www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/tcrr-cprr/
Steve O - I agree with you. Since the majority of Americans are Europeans, the majority votes win. The sad thing is the people they chose to run the country are the ones allowing the non Christian/European immigrants to go overboard, abusive of the system, and chaotic. Muslims blocking streets everywhere to pray. A New York judge took oath on the Koran and allowed Sharia Law in the state of New York. Your president forced Catholic nuns to offer abortion (murdering of babies) benefits to their staff and employees. Your president allows men wearing dresses to enter women's bathrooms as he pleases. Your president severely punishes small, Christian business owners because, by following their Christian religion, they are not allow to participate in the marriage of two men or two women by baking a wedding cake. Your president supports people entering into the US illegally.
But then, where will wealthy democrats get serfs to work below market wages for them?
Oh WOW I have so much to say about this video. First of all, I think that given the topic and situation you kept this video much more positive than I would have if I were in your shoes. I've never been to China, but I imagine it would be an awkward trump card to say "I'm Taiwanese. If you say I'm not Chinese then you're admitting that Taiwan is a foreign country." (Which reminds me: What kind of statement are you trying to make with your helmet?) I've voted for the President of Taiwan three times already. Every time I queue up with my pink half-A4-sheet, ID card, and stamp, I get to the desk to the big ledger where I sign my name, vote, and leave. Nobody says anything. In 20 years, Taiwan has gotten much better about accepting me as being Taiwanese. When our office has visitors, my manager always brags that I'm really Taiwanese. Once in a while I'll meet someone who says "Oh, you're Taiwanese. It's great to hear a foreigner speak such good Chinese and Taiwanese." Then it's like "You just admitted that I'm Taiwanese and now you're calling me a foreigner again?" This kind of event is becoming much more rare and only comes from people older than I am. (46). It's at the point now where I can say to early university students and younger: "I've lived in Taiwan longer than you have."
"Chinese" as an ethnic identity:
At the beginning of the Ming Dynasty (hang in there, the history part isn't long), China's trading ships kept getting attacked by pirates near Indonesia and the emporer couldn't father a child. They believed that foreign involvement was the problem and that's why they started a nearly 600-year lockdown (鎖國政策). After that, the emporer had a child and logically taught Chinese that that must have been the problem. I think that's why China (and Taiwan, to a degree) still have that "We are the middle kingdom and everything else is foreign" thinking deeply ingrained in the culture and explains a lot of things.
Food as a linguistical example:
Take a step back and look at food, for example. Burrito in English is "burrito" because that's its name. "Pepperoni pizza" in Russia is exactly that, only written with their alphabet, etc. "Facebook" in Thailand sounds like Facebook (I know that's not food). Burrito in Taiwan is called "Mexico roll", bratwurst is "Germany sausage", spaghetti is "Italy noodles", and kimchi is "Korea pickled vegetables". The emphasis is on the foreign nature of these things. That's "Korea's" pickled vegetables, not "our" pickled vegetables. Taiwanese learn English in school starting from kindergarten or at least first grade. They can't have a conversation about much, however, because countries/cities (travel), celebrities (current events), foods, movies, etc., all have Chinese-language nicknames that often don't sound anything like the real name. As if "we don't care because we are the middle kingdom."
Neighbor story:
My neighbor married a USA guy and lives there now (for about the last 10 years). She and her husband come back for Lunar New Year every year. Her Dad was a soldier who came from China in 1949 (外省人) and I think she has stronger Chinese thinking than most Taiwanese do. She wanted a child and calls me selfish for never having a child. This argument came up every year, except early this year we were able to skip it. Last time, she said that she wants a child to show her Dad in a kind-of filial piety way, I guess. Then she said (cautiously) "You may have a Taiwan passport and everything but you're still not completely ..... Chinese." I boldly said "I never said I was. I don't even want to be." Before I could say any more, she looked to the side and said "Oh, ok" (giving up). It's as if there's a built-in assumption that foreigners' goal is to be as Chinese as possible. She actually thought I might be hurt by that. HAHAHA! A good trump card for this: "What about aboriginals? They're Taiwanese and not Chinese. I'm just like them. They came here 5700 years ago, so they're the real Taiwanese if anybody is."
Sports guy:
In the USA, there is a sports guy named Jeremy Lin (?) whose parents immigrated from Taiwan. He was born there, but Taiwanese are still proud of him. I asked a good friend why and he said that a small part of that is the "Chinese" ethnicity idea, but mostly because Taiwan is often ignored on the world stage so we're always looking for anything to be proud of. I think that was a good answer.
Dumb foreigner thinking:
Once in a while, older people (or people who don't know me well) will start sentences with "你們美國人....." or "我們臺灣人....." ("You Americans...."; "Us Taiwanese....") I think "What are you, some fricking ARMCHAIR ANTHROPOLOGIST?" I've chosen not to buy a house in Taiwan. They're too expensive and I don't want to take two decades of salary to buy a house and then die and give it to the government eventually (since I don't have children). People always say "It's our Chinese culture to want to have a house." I say "No, it's the whole world's culture to want to have a house." "But you just said....." And then "I'm not an American anymore." Tell them the Ming Dynasty story and then say that's where your Taiwanese stops and your "Chinese" begins. (SHOCK--we hate to be called "Chinese") They totally went into that conversation thinking they had the authority to explain me to myself, but then I turned the tables and explain them to themselves.
Ok, that's enough. Great video, guys!!!!
After teaching English in Taiwan I learned that while I may be racially half-Taiwanese, I was most certainly American. Everybody wants it both ways. If I did something the Taiwanese liked, it was because I was smart Taiwanese. If I did something they didn't like, it was because I was a stupid foreigner.
This reminds me of the first ever SerpentZA video I watched, about why everything is falling apart in China. Is it the same area that you're riding through?
In american there is same SAYING"IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE, WHY DON'T YOU GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY" so it is not unique in china.
That is said in every country - not just the USA
To understand why Chinese people are more "politically incorrect" in terms of being closed up when accommodating diverse ethnicity or religious groups, and are really afraid of being taken over by another one, just read the Chinese history. When invaded by minority ethnicity groups in history, either the Chinese Han culture assimilated those invaders and make those people Chinese and Han-like, such as Manchuria, 契丹, 匈奴, etc. Or, if invaders refused to be assimilated, their domination would be short, like the Mongolia Dynasty, 元. The Chinese people have long created a great wall of cultural "barrier" throughout long period of centralization of authority and governing.That is why, nowadays, outsiders are hard to get in and be acknowledged as an insider, while the insiders are hard to accommodate people with different cultures/religions. You like it or not, it is China.
China's history is one of willfully avoiding foreign influence wherever possible. The opium wars, whatever the rights and wrongs were an object lesson on why China's attitude to foreign influence can be so disastrous. The upshot in the case of the first opium war, was that a very small force of British and Indian soldiers and sailors were able to bring China absolutely to its knees, in a very short time, and with practically no loss of life on the British side. It was very much as if a small force of Martians invaded the United States, and crippled it almost instantly, completely neutralising its military. The reason that the British were so comprehensively successful was that their technology was about 300 years ahead of the Chinese, who had no idea just how far behind they had fallen, simply because they didn't wan't to know/couldn't believe that a race of barbarians were in any way superior to them.
Well, intrinsically, Europeans are not superior to Asians, and its worth noting that at the start of the 19th century, the Japanese were as old fashioned as the Chinese, but I would say that they had fully caught up with the West by the early twentieth century. Sure the Chinese have made progress. Lots of it. But theré's always that thing, that desire to keep foreigners out, to keep liberal western ideas at arms length, to keep out information, google, facebook, youtube. Chinese history surely tells us that this kind of thing cannot really be good for China in a world increasingly driven by information, ideas and creativity. If you live in a vacuum, you have no clue about the oxygen that you might be missing.
Martin Cleary true, but there're good things about living in a vacuum, when the rest of the crowd blindly follows the supposed master, the silent kid trained to become the best of itself. Your idea of disinformation however is very true, expecially if you rely heavily on google facebook and youtube for knowledge rather than books.
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Oh god these jokes.. I remember telling these jokes when I was a little kid. Would never say this stuff aloud anymore.
Love the work guys, keep it up, Stay awesome. My Chinese drivers licence took me about an hour and cost ¥100, my wife (Chinese) had to go through the whole process, though easier than others. China is all about connections and money.
I've lifed in Germany for my whole life and I've been taught that if someone lifes in Germany, where ever he or she comes from , has the right to become a German. If I would tell a black man, that speaks perfect German that he is no German I would be considered a nazi. And believe me there people no true German wants to be a nazi. We think that mixed culture is a good thing and that we can gain so much from every enthic group.
The only thing that is not actcepted is if someone lifes here for several years but can't speak the language or dissmisses to integrate into the culture. If someone does this, I think that person should just stay in their home country and life their life there because we really don't want people like that!
^huh?
Poland - where I'm from - is still extremely racist, but somehow we have the same general consensus; even more, the far right fascist actually preach that idea. I think it comes from the fact that Poland is extremely homogenous (like 99% poles) so we kinda get excited when a foreigner claims to be polish lmao. We have this small time boxer Izu (who's parent are from Nigeria I think) and he's a huge celebrity among polish nationalists and actual fascists for being a black polish boxer who does speak up against racism but is conservative and patriotic and they love him to the point they'd beat up anyone who would dare to claim he isn't polish lmao
Actually there was a story of one black polish actress who grew up here and played in a very popular tv show during the early 2000s. If poland is racist now it was unbearable then, and once she was walking down the street at night and some nazi skinheads caught a glimpse of her, and tried to harass her, but once she spoke fluent polish they just said and I quote "Oh, she's our ni**er!" apologized and left her alone. She still brings it up today after like 20 years lmao
@@aw2584 interesting!
@Woiller- Relic I don't know what you mean.. Like a messy country? I don't get your analogy here might you be able to give me some example like what kind of mess you are refering to? And maybe where you have this "Information" from? I also wonder what your perspective is, are you German or have you ever been to Germany?
And if you're a German where are you from ? (Ost,West,Süd,Nord)
@Woiller- Relic I see what you mean. And we even have a word for this "Wilkommenskultur" like a lot of people say "let anyone in" but it's ofcause not the right move to let anyone into our country. Like nobody wants criminals in Germany... But the problem is that we have a responsibility to help others in need. That doesn't mean that if anyone feels bad at their home country they should come here. I am talking about refugees that have no choice because of war or other inevitable things. In my eyes these poeple are welcome and I hope they can become Germans. But being a "German" doens't only mean that you have a passport. It also means that you contribute to the comunity and follow the states law! But if someone breaks the law and doesn't want to follow the rules I consider these people as garbage... no matter if they are "Germans" or "Foreigners" they don't belong to society and should not be bothering us with that.
I've heard from sweden and especially Malmö where some districts of the city are really becoming "law free" and think this is ofcause alarming and in no war "ok".
I know there were some former Soviet Union scientists have Chinese green cards😂😂😂
The law does allow for naturalisation. There's even some naturalised citizens, but the number is very very small.
Like they said in the vid. One has to have some sort of special criteria in order to obtain such a thing.
The most important thing to know about the Chinese law is the difference between the de jure law ie the way the law is written and the way the law is implemented or the de facto law/unwritten rules. Yes, the Chinese law allows for people to be naturalised, but the number of people who will ever be naturalised as Chinese citizens is exceedingly small. Also, I'm just going to say that being naturalised is different to regaining previously lost Chinese citizenship.
Z. Wei who made up a few of over 5 thousands of scientist Chinese
Thanks for the awesome video! I think you're completely justified to feel that way. I have full Chinese blood and was born there but lived most of my life away from the country, yet when I visit my family that are in China, I get treated as a Chinese who just happens to speak English very well... lolz. The idea that perhaps my self-identity is not Chinese doesn't even occur to them, and when I point that out to them (them being the older ones mainly) their brains seem to go into technical difficulty mode...lolz. Anyway, I've stopped trying to convince them on that matter. Actually I've been trying to avoid all contact XD cuz it's just that painful and tiresome.
And you've earned yourself a subscriber XD Keep up the good work. BTW are those drones that you're using for some shots?
Thank you for making this video about the True reality of China. It breaks down so many misconceptions Non-Chinese people have about the so called "Great China"
This video contains themes that are universal to immigrants to any country, and I appreciate you guys sharing your experiences and frustrations about living in China.
I will never be admitted to an insane asylum either.
Your anti psychotic medications have obviously ran out though
is that what you take
Multiculturalism is not multilateral. Only western countries allow other cultures to set up within there's. It doesn't happen in China, Japan or the middle east.
Only in some places.
Imperialism also not.
Do you want to involve other people in your problems? Lets start gathering together all the people to do against the West what the West did to them.
Charles Cirem What the west did to them? Such as bring civilisation, science and infrastructure. I assume you are either an SJW or minority with that comment. Also why is everything always about what happened in history with you lot and not what is happening in the present day?
Oh are you ever ignorant. Have you never heard about the Meiji Restauration period? Japan is like the number 1 country to take something from another country and make their own version of it.
Same! Same! I agree! I have been US for close to 10 years, stuck in the green card queue for ever, and still people asking "when are you going back?"
wow i remember watching this when it came out 7 years ago. randomly popped up on my feed. memories unlocked