I had to think twice before I could see you were right about that. This is an old film. The language we speak calls those pointed dark yellow decorations on the sleeve of the blue marine uniform at 0:05 "Chevrons," among other names. The average Joe in the Marines who has 3 chevrons might be 24 or 25 years old.
The Real Kovic joined the Marines in September 1964. Did his first tour in the 1st Reconnaissance Battalion, 1st Marine Division from December 1965 to January 1967. He was promoted to Corporal by the end of the tour His 2nd Tour was from September 1967 until January 20, 1968 . (The day he was shot and paralyzed) in the 1st Amtrac Battalion 3rd Marines as A Battalion scout leader. (H&S Company) He was promoted to Sgt. right before the tour or during.
@@lilsnoopie not sure they should say it like that. Be more considerate than to blatantly say it, something along the line of "difficulties" or "not feeling well." People will know.
@@SymbolicLogic24 Not only that, but Warfare is a hell that nobody gets until they alone experience it.. I genuinely and full-heartedly feel bad for veterans. I'm not sure about you guys, but shit man.. They honestly deserve far better for what they've gone through.
Woke up a couple of years ago to my girlfriend sleeping on the couch in the living room. She never did that. Asked her why, and during the night she apparently went to pee and I started yelling that I was going to "fucking kill you" and more things like that. I had no recollection of it. Since coming home from the last deployment in 2011, I had ongoing issues with night terrors and yelling and such in my sleep. I can't begin to explain how much seeing her frightened broke my heart. I mean she was truly scared of me. I broke down on the way in to work that day. I have never felt so much like a loser, I would never hurt her, ever. It just broke my heart
@@codyking4848 I forgot that you and your medical expertise outweigh all known, published, and medically excepted information on PTSD. Sorry man, I'll do better next time. Thanks for pointing out our mistakes Doctor, it's great to have medical experts like yourself in our corner.
@@thorinthered8127 dont listen to this jack off his other comments on his profile are just spewing hate, my uncle was deployed to Afghanistan, and he had a friendly fire incident on his chopper and he hates to talk about it, when youre in the shit it never gets clean, thank you for your service.
My great uncle (ww2) used to fall asleep in his recliner and start mudering “ stop it, you are going to get is killed.” Over and over again, sometimes he would yell it. He didn’t do it every time but he did it a lot.
Hopefully you guys know that Fortunate Son is not so much about the war itself, but a song about who actually got sent to fight in Vietnam. That the sons of the privileged, the wealthy, the politicians, etc. got out of combat duty. George 'Dubya' Bush is a perfect example. Thanks to 'Poppy' pulling some strings, he got to serve his tour working for some senator and his campaign. Which is a shame because he had been trained to fly fighter jets.
I met Ron Kovic one day in the early 1990s on the boardwalk at Venice Beach, Ca. He was just sitting there watching the crowd pass by. I recognized him and said hello. We talked for half an hour or so. When we parted, he said, "Remember, we're always friends now, no matter how much time passes until I see you again." He is as kind as he is fascinating.
One of the few stories I actually believe about people meeting a real life celebrity. Do you remember what y'all talked about during the half hour? Not NEARLY the same, but I met Romany Malco when he did a USO tour in Afghanistan while I was deployed. He made a lot of light-hearted jokes about the war and we talked for about ten to fifteen minutes. I will never forget that he told me that I was funny and I should consider doing comedy (never did & never will)
@@JuanAppleseed-ge6tb Great story. I wish I could say I remembered what we talked about but it was three decades ago now. Thank you for your service. Is there somewhere I can check out your stand up comedy?
This is EASILY one of the best BOOKS i've ever read from a vet serving in Vietnam and then dealing with civilian life. Particularly the scenes of him essentially surviving the extremely incompetent government run VA at that time. To this very day, my absolute WORST fear in this life is something happening to me and becoming a paraplegic or quadriplegic. Ron is an absolute HERO, not only on the battlefield but also just DAILY LIVING. My god.
I really like this movie but have only seen it once before I joined the Army and before I deployed overseas. I cant stand to watch it at full length anymore.
@@maroontide31 oh no I have my legs. I think I just cant stand to watch Veterans struggle with PTSD after my own struggles as well as some of my buddies from the same unit.
@@XxStonedImmaculatexX Don't wanna sound cliche but your war is not over, however you are not the only one suffering. Embrace your brothers and sisters, interact more with them, you never know how much you can make their day just by talking for hours and they can make yours too. Talk to someone you trust or just a homeless stranger trying to enjoy his peaceful sleep on a bench in a courtyard. Vets I heard said time heals wounds or talking about PTSD helps, PTSD doesn't go away on its own and it's a very long process. My Dad was a recce Coyote platoon commander in 2001, saw some fucked up shit, heard some fucked up stories, went through some fucked up stuff. He never got PTSD from those except he got nightmares from drugs the military gave him to "combat desert environment." He still have the nightmares, thankfully they decrease bit by bit but it's a long journey and I'm glad he's still alive, and I've been interacting with him, listening to his stories and others' stories he heard from. I hope you and your fellows get better, long journey ahead and try to enjoy activities you like :)
My uncle was army spec ops during Vietnam. I once asked him what he did and he had a slight pained look and says honestly I can't tell you. i said sorry if it's too much and he says no it's probably still not available to public. All I know is the people he was with weren't always in Vietnam doing military things. In later years he had PTSD and during the fourth the fireworks messed with him.he knew a guy who had a cabin way out in the woods and every year my uncle stayed there a week during the fourth.
Soooo...I was an extra for this parade scene, then this speech scene later...and I distinctly remember seeing them do several takes, including one where they did a stop at the point he blanks out, squirted some nauseant spray in Cruise's mouth, and he threw up on himself. It was supremely weird, but I had alotta fun being an extra (even though I was lost in the crowd...I might be in the pack of hippies that charges the ROTC guys in the parade, but I ain't seen myself yet in the clips lol)
@@Scorp308 Sort of, I had a simple tie-dye, jeans, and leather headband. And a denim cutoff jacket that would have been great, but it was 4th of July shot, filmed in Feb on a near freezing day in Oak Cliff (Dallas), so we froze are asses off and had to coat up between shots.
So awesome! So I realize you probably never interacted with Tom, but was his (struggling to find the right word) aura/general being as pleasent as everyone claims? Just seems likes such a great human despite being a lil off his rocker. Friendly hate from Houston. :)
It's kinda heart warming how veterans like him kept wearing the clothes from the war. They already had doubts about the motivations and realities of being sent there, demoralized and broken, but they still chose to wear clothes that reminded them of their ordeal. It was a psychological way to gain ownership of the misery; they'd been through hell, but it was Their hell, and no-one was gonna appropriate or define or criticize that hell but them.
The contrast between Kovics parents and him just talkin shit in the back yard with his buddy. Christ ive never felt more alone and more connected at the same time.
@@zimonslotPotentially, or maybe they don’t want to watch any coverage (especially, negative) related to a war that took their son’s legs and innocence
One of the greatest movies ever made. I am 76 years old. I saw the movie in the theater when it came out, and it shocked me. I didnt know the horrible truth about that war. But it's timeless. When you see what is happening in the different wars going on now, it still the same. Soldiers are maimed and killed, innocent civilians suffer and die, and when its finally over, what was accomplished. I watched on tv as the last helicopter lifted off from that roof with hindreds of desperate people struggled and screamed while being left behind. Anyone who helped the Americans knew they were going to be tortured, killed, or sent to a reeducation camp. Not too long ago, I watched the last plane out of Afghanistan lift off the runway while hundreds of people were still trying to get through the gates to get to the airfield. Many Afghans that helped the Americans were left behind to face the Taliban. I wonder what happened to them.......
I'm somewhat younger than you. I turn 60 in a couple months. We were never told in school that 'horrible truth' either. When I was in middle school, the war had only been over less than 4 years. I remember our 8th grade social studies teacher telling us, when we got to that point in history, 'the only thing you need to know and remember about the Vietnam War is that it was a disgrace to the United States because it's the only war we ever lost.' That's all we were taught about it. I think it's a GOOD thing that kids today are taught the truth about it. I, too, remember watching those helicopters taking off from the roof of the embassy on television. I don't remember why I was home from school that day. Perhaps I was sick. Also, I watched those planes take off from Afghanistan. All those poor people hanging onto the planes. It was heartbreaking. I had flashbacks to when I was 10 years old watching people trying to hang onto those choppers leaving Vietnam. Isn't it strange how we never seem to learn from history and how we always seemed to be doomed to repeat it?
agreed. It's too strong to be an accident. Also, the wars with native Americans factor into other Oliver Stone films. I wonder if Stone was using symbolism, the white guys wearing native headdress like trophies understanding what war is really about.
Never understood Hollywood on having the helicopter rotors sound during these ptsd flashbacks scenes. Like the vc were using them or something. If anything they are and still my favorite sound because it either meant cas was here or medivac arrived to take care of my brothers.
Yes but not in the context of triggering ptsd in U.S. veterans. Since in the last fifty years at a minimum we have not went to war with any countries who used them offensively against us.
@@rivertlevandowski It works within the context of this war easily. They were carried there with helos. They went everywhere in helos. They were rescued in helos. It's part of being in a war. It's part of the fabric of that war and easily a triggering memory.
@@rivertlevandowskithat is absolutely not how ptsd is triggered, shit he could have gotten an episode from a scent, looking at a river, a drop of rain. The sound of the fucking helis you flew into hell on would absolutely do it.
@@eddiek8179same for us afghan vets. There were no roads and I went on 16 missions. Everyone but one we were going to and from on chinooks. Also during major TICs (troops in contact) there would ofcourse always be medivac and Apache gun ships which was a bad ass thing to see. Our saviors were in those choppers and the sound is very triggering. Sounds in general for me it’s dogs barking
I love how the other veterans completely understand what he is going through. They don’t think any less of him for what happened and why he froze up. It’s a language that all warriors who seen battle and death can understand and relate to.
@@92naz32 It absolutely is. The order changed in 1985 from above the good conduct to above the MSM. Maybe you should do some research before making yourself look like a jackass.
@@92naz32 It absolutely is. It changed in 1985 from above the good conduct to above the MSM. Maybe YOU should do some research before stating your opinion and making yourself look foolish.
@@BallZakc Yeah, no. The NAM and NCM, which are the awards He's wearing between the BS w/V and PH never outranked the PH. The PH is the oldest US valor award dating back to the American Revolution, which later became a WIA/KIA medal. Also films purposely have the seniority order wrong of awards and is something they've done for decades (look that up too). Post a link showing me I'm wrong because what you typed here is meaningless & inaccurate nonsense to me otherwise.
I remember my high school English teacher telling me how one day walking together on a college campus her future husband dived underneath a bench when firecrackers started going off. He'd just returned from Vietnam and was calm until sudden, sharp noises would switch him right back into combat mode.
My top 10 1. Scarface 2. Born on the Fourth of July 3. Leaving Las Vegas 4. Rocky 5. Saturday night fever 6.the deer hunter 7.an officer and a gentleman 8. Rain man 9. Taxi driver 10. Salvador This is Tom Cruise’s best performance by a mile.
I believe, not sure, but Hollywood must make purposeful mistakes on uniforms to avoid legal problems with "stolen valor" or other issues. In all war films there are intentional uniform issues....
I suffer a lot. But I still have buddies that turn out more like Tom Cruise in this, and I'm Timmy. It's hard. It feels like it gets a little easier but it's hard. Stay away from alcohol and drugs.
To appropriately operate in a combat environment, one must rearrange what is "right" and what is "wrong." In civilian life, you would not laugh about a person dying in a relatively violent way. In combat, you laugh ALL. THE. TIME. at death. "He got hit by a f&#*ing tree" 😆 It's been over a decade when I got back from my deployment, and there are still things that disturb me deeply in 2024, that I laughed my ass off about in 2013.
I'm not disrespecting the men who served in Vietnam. My best friend's father served and I respect him dearly. When I walked out of the theater I told someone that was the best comedy ever. I told people Tom Cruise was a comic genius. Then someone told me the movie wasn't supposed to be a comedy.
@@mellifont96I think Tom cruise is one of the best actors there is, and I also think mission impossible is garbage. If that’s the only Tom cruise film some people have seen, then it’s no wonder people don’t like him, they are watching the wrong films.
baby crying, baby dying, while he cant have never his own kids whereas he was killing foreign babies without wanting it, fate set him on a unchangable path
Great acting by Cruise as per normal. He was portraying a right whiner. As an old vet of many conflicts myself I reckon he should have just moved on. War is hell, get over it or it will become all you ever think about and will drive you bonkers. Oh, and lay off the booze.
@jonathanbirch2022 Fortunately not quite, but a lot of my comrades were but they never then made a ‘career’ out of it. They have got on with their lives and many have done well. It is key one manages ones mental health. Alcohol abuse, anger, guilt all have to be dealt with from within. Throwing tantrums and rage against the machine can be counter productive to finding personal peace. Ultimately life goes on, with or without you.
I don’t know why military movies can’t get the simple stuff right. They spent all the attention on his uniform, but his hair is way too long and out of regs. Makes his whole appearance look bush league.
Tom Cruise has been Navy a few times, and Marines. Has he been Army, or Coast Guard? When are we gonna see Space Force Tom? Dont need Chair Force Tom cause that would be redundant with Top Gun and all, but who knows with the dogshit hollywood is pumping out like a gatling gun these days.
Edge of tomorrow- army Tom Oblivion- space force Tom Last Samurai- coast guard Tom..ok that's a bitbof a stretch but he DID arrive by boat to the coast...of Japan...
Tom is good when he plays himself like in Jerry McGuire, Rain Man, Top Gun, etc. Cocky self-centered jackasses basically. He is terrible in everything else including this movie. It is still a good movie because of the quality of the film in general but, I don't believe Tom's performance, at all. The forced laughing, the ham-fisted attempts to look troubled. I know this post sounds mean and I do believe that he tries. I think he prepares for the part and gives good effort. He just isn't good at acting.
Sure they would. He was no longer active duty in the scene. He had transitioned (physically) to civilian life, and therefore grew his hair out. He wore his dress uniform for the event - not because he was still active.
@@josephhein9497 If he was not active duty he should not be wearing his dress blues at civilian events, especially political ones. And if he does wear it, it should be in the proper setting and he should keep the same hair and beard regulations as when he was on active duty.
@@nitemareman1 Yeah, but again, he wasn’t active in this scene. Your first error was assuming he was before you made your comment. Your second was not emphasizing “active duty” in that initial comment. Your third was assuming you won because of both of those errors.
@80s_Boombox_Collector I remember my mom telling me how, after WW2, there were people who came back after the war and "were never the same." No one talked about it then, though.
@@80s_Boombox_Collector All i know hate war and deal with demons and fight with them with sport , work or helping others in need. Some where not meant to be soldiers but they answered the call or need the job ..and soon find they made huge mistake. These guys have more problems you are right. Real professional soldiers (start 18 years old and train for years) ..know how to deal with ptsd really well. Some of them can't live without combat adrenalin anymore.
Everyone process it differently. Seriously, for some people combat is in thier DNA. Its usually one's whom have a family history of combat services. It's like the square jaw effect. @user-lm8xe9cn8z
He was already a Scientologist back then, and he has always been a great actor. He hasn't had any plastic surgery. As he gets older, his face is changing, just like yours.
Great action from Tom in this one. He went from an innocent high schooler to an old broken war veteran.
I had to think twice before I could see you were right about that. This is an old film. The language we speak calls those pointed dark yellow decorations on the sleeve of the blue marine uniform at 0:05 "Chevrons," among other names. The average Joe in the Marines who has 3 chevrons might be 24 or 25 years old.
he was in combat in Vietnam, he probably earned them really fast
The Real Kovic joined the Marines in September 1964.
Did his first tour in the 1st Reconnaissance Battalion, 1st Marine Division from December 1965 to January 1967.
He was promoted to Corporal by the end of the tour
His 2nd Tour was from September 1967 until January 20, 1968 . (The day he was shot and paralyzed) in the 1st Amtrac Battalion 3rd Marines as A Battalion scout leader. (H&S Company)
He was promoted to Sgt. right before the tour or during.
The other veterans stepped in, "it's alright, kid" because they know what's happening to him. They know he's experiencing a flashback to his trauma.
"Trauma" 🤣
@@lilsnoopie not sure they should say it like that. Be more considerate than to blatantly say it, something along the line of "difficulties" or "not feeling well."
People will know.
They didn’t ignore the propaganda and were slaves to Uncle Sam until they died.
@@SymbolicLogic24 Not only that, but Warfare is a hell that nobody gets until they alone experience it.. I genuinely and full-heartedly feel bad for veterans. I'm not sure about you guys, but shit man.. They honestly deserve far better for what they've gone through.
Durrrrr no shiiit
Keep pushing. Deep breath. It passes. Stay away from alcohol. It makes them worse.
Thanks
Bless you fella
mushrooms dmt lsd :) They are revolutionary in helping work through awful traumas if done right
It dosent always pass....
Is there anything that alcohol doesn't make worse?
I always felt Tom should have won an oscar with this one. That was some great acting.
It was his best acting he’s ever done in his career.
He doesn’t get a whole lot of appreciation for his acting chops
@@joewhitehead3 he gets plenty hes one of the most famous people on earth xD
@@ForageGardener Just because he’s famous doesn’t mean people appreciate how good of an actor he is
Woke up a couple of years ago to my girlfriend sleeping on the couch in the living room. She never did that. Asked her why, and during the night she apparently went to pee and I started yelling that I was going to "fucking kill you" and more things like that. I had no recollection of it. Since coming home from the last deployment in 2011, I had ongoing issues with night terrors and yelling and such in my sleep. I can't begin to explain how much seeing her frightened broke my heart. I mean she was truly scared of me. I broke down on the way in to work that day. I have never felt so much like a loser, I would never hurt her, ever. It just broke my heart
😔😔💙💔 thank you 🙏 for your service
That's not at all what PTSD looks like. Sounds like you making shit up to get likes.
@@codyking4848 I forgot that you and your medical expertise outweigh all known, published, and medically excepted information on PTSD. Sorry man, I'll do better next time. Thanks for pointing out our mistakes Doctor, it's great to have medical experts like yourself in our corner.
@@thorinthered8127 dont listen to this jack off his other comments on his profile are just spewing hate, my uncle was deployed to Afghanistan, and he had a friendly fire incident on his chopper and he hates to talk about it, when youre in the shit it never gets clean, thank you for your service.
My great uncle (ww2) used to fall asleep in his recliner and start mudering “ stop it, you are going to get is killed.” Over and over again, sometimes he would yell it. He didn’t do it every time but he did it a lot.
The look in his eyes when he recognizes Timmy.
Yea i know... honest eyes.. cruise is a hell of an actor.
Let's get you to the choppa!
Such a tear jerker of a movie. But in the end of this clip it shows how important good relationships are.
he prolly thought he was gonna have to listen to fortunate son again.
This is real ptsd not the crybaby shit today
Hahaha but is it really Nam without fortunate son?
Hopefully you guys know that Fortunate Son is not so much about the war itself, but a song about who actually got sent to fight in Vietnam. That the sons of the privileged, the wealthy, the politicians, etc. got out of combat duty.
George 'Dubya' Bush is a perfect example. Thanks to 'Poppy' pulling some strings, he got to serve his tour working for some senator and his campaign. Which is a shame because he had been trained to fly fighter jets.
I met Ron Kovic one day in the early 1990s on the boardwalk at Venice Beach, Ca. He was just sitting there watching the crowd pass by. I recognized him and said hello. We talked for half an hour or so. When we parted, he said, "Remember, we're always friends now, no matter how much time passes until I see you again." He is as kind as he is fascinating.
One of the few stories I actually believe about people meeting a real life celebrity. Do you remember what y'all talked about during the half hour?
Not NEARLY the same, but I met Romany Malco when he did a USO tour in Afghanistan while I was deployed. He made a lot of light-hearted jokes about the war and we talked for about ten to fifteen minutes. I will never forget that he told me that I was funny and I should consider doing comedy (never did & never will)
@@JuanAppleseed-ge6tb Great story. I wish I could say I remembered what we talked about but it was three decades ago now. Thank you for your service. Is there somewhere I can check out your stand up comedy?
This is EASILY one of the best BOOKS i've ever read from a vet serving in Vietnam and then dealing with civilian life. Particularly the scenes of him essentially surviving the extremely incompetent government run VA at that time. To this very day, my absolute WORST fear in this life is something happening to me and becoming a paraplegic or quadriplegic. Ron is an absolute HERO, not only on the battlefield but also just DAILY LIVING. My god.
I really like this movie but have only seen it once before I joined the Army and before I deployed overseas. I cant stand to watch it at full length anymore.
No legs?
@@maroontide31 oh no I have my legs.
I think I just cant stand to watch Veterans struggle with PTSD after my own struggles as well as some of my buddies from the same unit.
@@XxStonedImmaculatexX Don't wanna sound cliche but your war is not over, however you are not the only one suffering. Embrace your brothers and sisters, interact more with them, you never know how much you can make their day just by talking for hours and they can make yours too. Talk to someone you trust or just a homeless stranger trying to enjoy his peaceful sleep on a bench in a courtyard. Vets I heard said time heals wounds or talking about PTSD helps, PTSD doesn't go away on its own and it's a very long process.
My Dad was a recce Coyote platoon commander in 2001, saw some fucked up shit, heard some fucked up stories, went through some fucked up stuff. He never got PTSD from those except he got nightmares from drugs the military gave him to "combat desert environment." He still have the nightmares, thankfully they decrease bit by bit but it's a long journey and I'm glad he's still alive, and I've been interacting with him, listening to his stories and others' stories he heard from.
I hope you and your fellows get better, long journey ahead and try to enjoy activities you like :)
@@XxStonedImmaculatexX then stop fighting rich men's wars
@@dudebro91-fn7rz rich white* men
My uncle was army spec ops during Vietnam. I once asked him what he did and he had a slight pained look and says honestly I can't tell you. i said sorry if it's too much and he says no it's probably still not available to public. All I know is the people he was with weren't always in Vietnam doing military things. In later years he had PTSD and during the fourth the fireworks messed with him.he knew a guy who had a cabin way out in the woods and every year my uncle stayed there a week during the fourth.
Tom may be a weirdo and leader of a totalitarian cult, but he is one of the best actors of our generation. Damn, every movie with him is just good.
Every movie? 😅 Man's got a large amount of stinkers
@@MrMcChuckles95name one stunker
@@dikburdd2606 that new-ish Mummy movie, but there are many others
Not a leader in any sense more just like their speaker of the house or top ambassador
What cult does he belong too?
Soooo...I was an extra for this parade scene, then this speech scene later...and I distinctly remember seeing them do several takes, including one where they did a stop at the point he blanks out, squirted some nauseant spray in Cruise's mouth, and he threw up on himself. It was supremely weird, but I had alotta fun being an extra (even though I was lost in the crowd...I might be in the pack of hippies that charges the ROTC guys in the parade, but I ain't seen myself yet in the clips lol)
Cool. We're you in 1960's clothing?
@@Scorp308 Sort of, I had a simple tie-dye, jeans, and leather headband. And a denim cutoff jacket that would have been great, but it was 4th of July shot, filmed in Feb on a near freezing day in Oak Cliff (Dallas), so we froze are asses off and had to coat up between shots.
So awesome! So I realize you probably never interacted with Tom, but was his (struggling to find the right word) aura/general being as pleasent as everyone claims? Just seems likes such a great human despite being a lil off his rocker.
Friendly hate from Houston. :)
It's AI.
At lest my fellow marines was in Forest Gump
.this dude is a Hollywood waste. Nut job
It's kinda heart warming how veterans like him kept wearing the clothes from the war. They already had doubts about the motivations and realities of being sent there, demoralized and broken, but they still chose to wear clothes that reminded them of their ordeal. It was a psychological way to gain ownership of the misery; they'd been through hell, but it was Their hell, and no-one was gonna appropriate or define or criticize that hell but them.
say what u want bout the man, Tom Cruise can act his ass off!!!
The contrast between Kovics parents and him just talkin shit in the back yard with his buddy.
Christ ive never felt more alone and more connected at the same time.
Notice how his own parents turn off the news about anti/war protests to watch some awefull low value crap. That´s more important to them.
@@zimonslotPotentially, or maybe they don’t want to watch any coverage (especially, negative) related to a war that took their son’s legs and innocence
A masterpiece by Oliver stone a marine and hero Ron
One of the greatest movies ever made. I am 76 years old. I saw the movie in the theater when it came out, and it shocked me. I didnt know the horrible truth about that war. But it's timeless. When you see what is happening in the different wars going on now, it still the same. Soldiers are maimed and killed, innocent civilians suffer and die, and when its finally over, what was accomplished. I watched on tv as the last helicopter lifted off from that roof with hindreds of desperate people struggled and screamed while being left behind. Anyone who helped the Americans knew they were going to be tortured, killed, or sent to a reeducation camp. Not too long ago, I watched the last plane out of Afghanistan lift off the runway while hundreds of people were still trying to get through the gates to get to the airfield. Many Afghans that helped the Americans were left behind to face the Taliban. I wonder what happened to them.......
Several grammatical and spelling mistakes showed up in the post I just made. I did not type it that way!
I'm somewhat younger than you. I turn 60 in a couple months. We were never told in school that 'horrible truth' either. When I was in middle school, the war had only been over less than 4 years. I remember our 8th grade social studies teacher telling us, when we got to that point in history, 'the only thing you need to know and remember about the Vietnam War is that it was a disgrace to the United States because it's the only war we ever lost.' That's all we were taught about it. I think it's a GOOD thing that kids today are taught the truth about it.
I, too, remember watching those helicopters taking off from the roof of the embassy on television. I don't remember why I was home from school that day. Perhaps I was sick. Also, I watched those planes take off from Afghanistan. All those poor people hanging onto the planes. It was heartbreaking. I had flashbacks to when I was 10 years old watching people trying to hang onto those choppers leaving Vietnam.
Isn't it strange how we never seem to learn from history and how we always seemed to be doomed to repeat it?
Hi everyone! What grade (out of 10) would you give this video?
10, but, it's really sad.
10/10
Say what you want about Tom Cruise but he is a fantastic actor and should have won an Oscar for his performance.
Tom Cruise was actually born on the third of July!
I laughed my ass off man after looking that up
In the movie Ron’s mother was ashamed of her son for being disabled, stuck in a wheelchair 😢 Timmy was a true friend however❤
Was that baby flying that helicopter?
no, the baby was the unintended target of the helicopter
I chuckled pretty hard there, thanks
Get in! Weaahhh!!! 👶
😂😂😂
No the baby was the helicopter
For some reason, I feel like that guy who closes his eyes at 1:08 and looks down knows what is happening to Ron.
agreed. It's too strong to be an accident. Also, the wars with native Americans factor into other Oliver Stone films. I wonder if Stone was using symbolism, the white guys wearing native headdress like trophies understanding what war is really about.
Never understood Hollywood on having the helicopter rotors sound during these ptsd flashbacks scenes. Like the vc were using them or something. If anything they are and still my favorite sound because it either meant cas was here or medivac arrived to take care of my brothers.
Helos are a big part of modern war, very recognizable.
Yes but not in the context of triggering ptsd in U.S. veterans. Since in the last fifty years at a minimum we have not went to war with any countries who used them offensively against us.
@@rivertlevandowski It works within the context of this war easily. They were carried there with helos. They went everywhere in helos. They were rescued in helos. It's part of being in a war. It's part of the fabric of that war and easily a triggering memory.
@@rivertlevandowskithat is absolutely not how ptsd is triggered, shit he could have gotten an episode from a scent, looking at a river, a drop of rain. The sound of the fucking helis you flew into hell on would absolutely do it.
@@eddiek8179same for us afghan vets. There were no roads and I went on 16 missions. Everyone but one we were going to and from on chinooks. Also during major TICs (troops in contact) there would ofcourse always be medivac and Apache gun ships which was a bad ass thing to see. Our saviors were in those choppers and the sound is very triggering. Sounds in general for me it’s dogs barking
Reminds how so many responded to our troops coming from Afghanistan and Iraq.
This was actually his best movie
Is it me, or did Ron's mother looked more embarrassed than concerned?
I believe he was onset for the movie . Doesn’t seem like he had a high opinion of his mother
Yeah, I've seen photos of him coaching Tom on set.
I love how the other veterans completely understand what he is going through. They don’t think any less of him for what happened and why he froze up. It’s a language that all warriors who seen battle and death can understand and relate to.
Yea I mean you see babies and civilians with their guts spilled out and friends killed it’s gonna mess you up
real youtube vets will remember when hardcore henry had some of the movie clips on yt before the full release
Scientology will do that too you
Hrs happy to be alive, have hands. But he's pissed off that he has no legs
Tom Cruise should’ve won an Oscar for his performance
Thanks, CIA.
back when they didnt know how serious ptsd was
During World War I they called it 'shell shock.'
The order of those medals, tho. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
It’s period correct, the Purple Heart used to be lower in order of precedence. I think it changed after the war.
@@BallZakc No, it is not "period correct" by any stretch. Do your homework before stating an opinion, which is all that you did here.
@@92naz32 It absolutely is. The order changed in 1985 from above the good conduct to above the MSM. Maybe you should do some research before making yourself look like a jackass.
@@92naz32 It absolutely is. It changed in 1985 from above the good conduct to above the MSM. Maybe YOU should do some research before stating your opinion and making yourself look foolish.
@@BallZakc Yeah, no. The NAM and NCM, which are the awards He's wearing between the BS w/V and PH never outranked the PH. The PH is the oldest US valor award dating back to the American Revolution, which later became a WIA/KIA medal. Also films purposely have the seniority order wrong of awards and is something they've done for decades (look that up too). Post a link showing me I'm wrong because what you typed here is meaningless & inaccurate nonsense to me otherwise.
I remember my high school English teacher telling me how one day walking together on a college campus her future husband dived underneath a bench when firecrackers started going off. He'd just returned from Vietnam and was calm until sudden, sharp noises would switch him right back into combat mode.
3:25 the twins Phil and Larry Powell, are they seen at school when the marines make their recruiting visit there?
if your suffering from PTSD, find others who have experience something similar, it's okay, and it's natural to feel the way you do.
What a great film,its in my Top Ten ☝️
My top 10
1. Scarface
2. Born on the Fourth of July
3. Leaving Las Vegas
4. Rocky
5. Saturday night fever
6.the deer hunter
7.an officer and a gentleman
8. Rain man
9. Taxi driver
10. Salvador
This is Tom Cruise’s best performance by a mile.
Those medals are out of order.
You're out of order! The whole damn system's out of order! No jk lol
Yeah, I thought something didn't look right. Good catch.
I believe, not sure, but Hollywood must make purposeful mistakes on uniforms to avoid legal problems with "stolen valor" or other issues. In all war films there are intentional uniform issues....
@@timsimmons9995That's absolutely correct.
@@timsimmons9995please stop parroting that lost disproven myth.
I suffer a lot. But I still have buddies that turn out more like Tom Cruise in this, and I'm Timmy. It's hard. It feels like it gets a little easier but it's hard. Stay away from alcohol and drugs.
The most depressing film ever made. Genius but you need a strong stomach to watch it.
You haven't watched many films then
@@adamantium4797 Aye very good.
@@bobbobertbobberton1073 indeed
@@adamantium4797 Aye very good is a Scottish expression that means you're talking out yer arse.
Actually you need eyes to watch it
He was wrong when he said that morale was high over there it was always low
TIMMEHH!!!!
Epic sequence 📽️🎥
heart breaking stuff. What our leaders put people through is pure evil.
can't speak for others, but foe me this is not how PTSD works.
Took a while for him to realize this was bullsh*t
Tom Cruise may be batshit crazy. But hes a brilliant actor and entertainer. (The jury is still out on the former)
How is he crazy?
@@joewhitehead3he's a part of scientology cult
To appropriately operate in a combat environment, one must rearrange what is "right" and what is "wrong."
In civilian life, you would not laugh about a person dying in a relatively violent way. In combat, you laugh ALL. THE. TIME. at death.
"He got hit by a f&#*ing tree" 😆
It's been over a decade when I got back from my deployment, and there are still things that disturb me deeply in 2024, that I laughed my ass off about in 2013.
Tom cruise was such a good actor
I'm not disrespecting the men who served in Vietnam. My best friend's father served and I respect him dearly. When I walked out of the theater I told someone that was the best comedy ever. I told people Tom Cruise was a comic genius. Then someone told me the movie wasn't supposed to be a comedy.
1:06 Pfft what's with all the headdresses?
Did fill out your PDHA?
Hey that's the GD coach from Not another Teen Movie lol
"walk it off Marty" 😂😂😂
Not his soul tho. Profound.
Proper movie not this trash rolled out today.
There's been some good ptsd eque movies, I liked thank you for your service quite alot
People on YT comments like “Tom Cruise is soooooo criminally uNdERraTEd!”
More like he is, umm... Rightfully Fairrated hehe??
i mean to be fair he had a great run before mission impossible that many problably havent seen
@@mellifont96I think Tom cruise is one of the best actors there is, and I also think mission impossible is garbage. If that’s the only Tom cruise film some people have seen, then it’s no wonder people don’t like him, they are watching the wrong films.
baby crying, baby dying, while he cant have never his own kids whereas he was killing foreign babies without wanting it, fate set him on a unchangable path
Great acting by Cruise as per normal. He was portraying a right whiner. As an old vet of many conflicts myself I reckon he should have just moved on. War is hell, get over it or it will become all you ever think about and will drive you bonkers. Oh, and lay off the booze.
I remember one WW2 veteran saying "I locked up all of that into a vault and threw away the key in the back of my mind."
What is a right whiner?
@@DevotedDisciple-x Somebody who complains all the time and is miserable.
How is ptsd real dude
Just ignore it lol
@jonathanbirch2022 Fortunately not quite, but a lot of my comrades were but they never then made a ‘career’ out of it. They have got on with their lives and many have done well. It is key one manages ones mental health. Alcohol abuse, anger, guilt all have to be dealt with from within. Throwing tantrums and rage against the machine can be counter productive to finding personal peace. Ultimately life goes on, with or without you.
You know, I dont think he actually earned those medals.
Oh really?
I still want to know, did they pick Tom Cruise because because his birthday is the third of July? I mean, what are the odds?
I don’t know why military movies can’t get the simple stuff right. They spent all the attention on his uniform, but his hair is way too long and out of regs. Makes his whole appearance look bush league.
Shell-shock , I guess.
I tried showing this movie at the dorm at my college and got suspended for "spreading hatred against Ukrainians".
The interesting thing about the U.S. is its birthday. July 4th , the zodiac sign of cancer.
The devoted lover , mother and killer.
😢 damn....
Tom Cruise has been Navy a few times, and Marines. Has he been Army, or Coast Guard? When are we gonna see Space Force Tom? Dont need Chair Force Tom cause that would be redundant with Top Gun and all, but who knows with the dogshit hollywood is pumping out like a gatling gun these days.
Edge of tomorrow- army Tom
Oblivion- space force Tom
Last Samurai- coast guard Tom..ok that's a bitbof a stretch but he DID arrive by boat to the coast...of Japan...
I got fucked over in my contract
Tom Cruise is still a great entertainer, but his acting felt so much realer back before he got into that cult crap
Astonishingly, that is a similar representation to our current American Commander in chief 😢.
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twelve mayfields cats bowl
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movie is a political smash job...No Marine would ever wear that Dress blue uniform with that hair
Tom is good when he plays himself like in Jerry McGuire, Rain Man, Top Gun, etc. Cocky self-centered jackasses basically. He is terrible in everything else including this movie. It is still a good movie because of the quality of the film in general but, I don't believe Tom's performance, at all. The forced laughing, the ham-fisted attempts to look troubled. I know this post sounds mean and I do believe that he tries. I think he prepares for the part and gives good effort. He just isn't good at acting.
No Marine would ever have hair that long.
Sure they would. He was no longer active duty in the scene. He had transitioned (physically) to civilian life, and therefore grew his hair out. He wore his dress uniform for the event - not because he was still active.
@@josephhein9497 If he was not active duty he should not be wearing his dress blues at civilian events, especially political ones. And if he does wear it, it should be in the proper setting and he should keep the same hair and beard regulations as when he was on active duty.
@@nitemareman1 Sure, but that wasn't your initial point. You stated Marines would never grow their hair that long. Yes, they would.
@@josephhein9497 Active duty Marines would never wear their hair that long. The point stands, brainiac.
@@nitemareman1 Yeah, but again, he wasn’t active in this scene. Your first error was assuming he was before you made your comment. Your second was not emphasizing “active duty” in that initial comment. Your third was assuming you won because of both of those errors.
They should give people awards if they don't get hit in combat. The purple heart is too petty an award if a person does get hit.
They took one for your dumb a$s, where ever you realize it or not.
The hell you on about?
I agree with this 100%. We should be praising soldiers that don’t get shot or killed or captured. That’s a successful soldier.
@@cloudstreets1396 bruh are you twelve?
@@qr3p I’m voting age brosif
Douch bag!
We veterans around the world have problems but nobody is craybaby clown like he try to show us in movie. It is even insult , he never serve so its BS.
What an asinine comment.
So you're saying no veteran ever comes back to suffer in depression, or become a war protester? That would be false
@80s_Boombox_Collector I remember my mom telling me how, after WW2, there were people who came back after the war and "were never the same." No one talked about it then, though.
@@80s_Boombox_Collector All i know hate war and deal with demons and fight with them with sport , work or helping others in need. Some where not meant to be soldiers but they answered the call or need the job ..and soon find they made huge mistake. These guys have more problems you are right. Real professional soldiers (start 18 years old and train for years) ..know how to deal with ptsd really well. Some of them can't live without combat adrenalin anymore.
Everyone process it differently. Seriously, for some people combat is in thier DNA. Its usually one's whom have a family history of combat services. It's like the square jaw effect.
@user-lm8xe9cn8z
OMG, it’s Tom Cruise’s pre-plastic-surgery nose…jaw…chin…from 1989. Great movie; I thought he was a much better actor before Scientology than after…
He was already a Scientologist back then, and he has always been a great actor. He hasn't had any plastic surgery. As he gets older, his face is changing, just like yours.
What a joke! Not to mention the disrespect of our corp. F Tom f Hollywood!
Getting triggered by the baby, does that mean he has no meat and 2 veg
I cannot put into words how much i hate the united states
Beta!
And we don't even know who you are. :)
@@josephhein9497 hein eee hole
Kovic still loves the United States
That hair cut aint in regs Marine
Spaceboy weirdo🙄