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  • Godwyn's backstory is even more tragic thank you think.
    Calling Godwyn a “scion of the golden bough” is a clear allusion to the book, “The Golden Bough,” one of the foundational texts for religious studies. First published by the Scottish armchair anthropologist Sir James Frazer in 1890, “The Golden Bough” focused on the concepts of the dying godking and ritualistic regicide. The book has been immensely influential and inspired a wide variety of artists and thinkers, including HP Lovecraft, TS Eliot, Sigmund Freud, and Joseph Campbell. In fact, "The Golden Bough" was even cited by name in "The Call of Cthulhu," "The Waste Land," "Totem and Taboo," and "A Hero with a Thousand Faces." (Now that's range!)
    Based on insights gleaned from “The Golden Bough,” I make the case that Godwyn the Golden had Deathblight before the Night of the Black Knives and that Miquella was working against yet another outer god to save his brother.
    Edited with Gling AI: bit.ly/46bGeYv
    Works Referenced:
    1922 abridged version of the The Golden Bough:
    sacred-texts.c...
    www.gutenberg....
    John B. Vickery, “The Literary Impact of The Golden Bough”
    Jonathan Z. Smith, “When the Bough Breaks,” www.jstor.org/...
    Ludwig Wittgenstein, “Remarks on Frazer’s Golden Bough”
    haubooks.org/w...
    David Graeber’s “Remarks on Wittgenstein’s Remarks on Frazer” davidgraeber.o...
    (Yo dawg, I heard you like remarking on Frazer...)
    #eldenring #eldenringlore #godwyn #miquella #eldenringdlc

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  • @christianwhalen9263
    @christianwhalen9263 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +149

    The idea that Godwyn had Deathblight before the Black Knife assassination is honestly a really interesting idea, it is interesting that all of Marika’s children have something horribly wrong with them (a reference to their incestuous parentage) *except* Godwyn…

    • @ilirigo
      @ilirigo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      But, of course, Godwyn (and the Omen Twins for that matter) don't have incestuous origins. Unless Godfrey has some unrevealed connection to Marika.

    • @J22955
      @J22955 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Omen twins?

    • @J22955
      @J22955 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What is the omen stuff and what's with omen babies being thrown into the sewers

    • @ilirigo
      @ilirigo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@J22955 The Omen twins are Morgott and Mohgwyn. Who are children of Marika and (most likely) Godfrey.

    • @sugoi9680
      @sugoi9680 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ilirigo He doesn't know what he's talking about

  • @beansnrice321
    @beansnrice321 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

    Yeah, the, "should have," part of, "should have died a true death," implies to me that the two fingers wanted him to die.

    • @drizlam5827
      @drizlam5827 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Not necessarily, the line alludes to the ignorance of most to Ranni’s plot of slaying her flesh which denied him a true death.

    • @HeevaEgo
      @HeevaEgo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mainly took it as he should have died a true death, just as we should die true death in the real world
      True = normal

    • @frazfrazfrazfraz
      @frazfrazfrazfraz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      While i agree with you based on the following lines, be very careful about reading too much into very specific word choice. There are literally dozens if not hundreds of examples of from soft messing up details in translations. There was a pretty infamous one with Ranni
      Also "should have" could very well just imply that he shouldn't have been denied a proper death. I find the following lines that "he should have been a proper martyr to destined death" to be more damning

  • @ravendelacour1917
    @ravendelacour1917 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Finally, someone else who noticed the connection between the Golden Bough and Godwyn. I didn't go as far you did, merely thinking it and interesting connection with a dying god motif. Good job digging deeper.

  • @boblionia
    @boblionia 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Some great insights here a lot of people overlook. The idea that the night of the black knives userped an already existing ritual is pretty blatantly spelled out in game, as every time the actual killing or the rune is mentioned it is always accompanied by wording that implies that Ranni's plan was userption of the existing sacrifice of Godwyn. Somehow youre the first person I've seen bring this up and it is something that needs to be explored a lot deeper

  • @paralam2175
    @paralam2175 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Hm, one thing about the Golden Epitaph. It's entirely possible this sword was made before Godwyn's got stabbed. It's "made to commemorate the death of Godwyn", but we know his eventual death was planned. Miquella might have known of the possibility that only a soul or body can die, so that prayer "please die a true death" sounds like Miquella made that sword as a "good luck!" farewell gift to Godwyn. (Or should I say, "Break your legs!", but we don't know whether Godwyn even had legs). Godwyn's silhouette on the sword is what Godwyn's should have looked like after he died properly.

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Oh that's a really interesting point about the silhouette! I never thought about it in that way but now I can't unsee it

    • @Kormeister
      @Kormeister หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I really dig this theory.
      It seems to add up perfectly!

  • @minerman60101
    @minerman60101 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    I had an anthropology class as an elective in college, and the professor said that The Golden Bough was one of his favorite books, yet he disagreed with almost everything in it

    • @genghiskhan6809
      @genghiskhan6809 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah I agree with that statement. In my anthropology class we practically regard the thing as really well written fiction.

  • @gustavohulyk2740
    @gustavohulyk2740 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Yes, the subtitles helped! 🙂 I understand english very well, but the text reinforces the knowledge in my mind

  • @jordanbrown3816
    @jordanbrown3816 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Godwyn having death blight before dying makes so much sense 🤯

  • @jake212
    @jake212 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Honestly the death rune being broken in half and Ranni as an example of what the ritual can do I think it's possible that they were working together to break the golden order since he would be a return to Godfreys lineage, and Ranni being an Empyrean.

  • @stradify1
    @stradify1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Holy crap, these excerpts are so redolent of Elden Ring's characters and world that they could practically be item descriptions or dialogue in the game. Excellent video!

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah! Reading those passages really made me feel like I somehow stumbled upon Martin and Miyazaki’s notes.
      And thank you so much!

  • @ZacKariahSheridan
    @ZacKariahSheridan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Amazing theory! A lot of it works really well, like Godwyn having death blight prior to his not-death. As we see death blight in farum azula which should logically be impossible if it was first spreading from Godwyn.
    My main issue though is how does the night of black knives relate? Is this saying he was supposed to get the full death circle carved into him and for some reason didn’t? Or was he just planning to die and then the black knives hijacked it before his ritual took place?

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Thank you so much! And that's a great point about Farum Azula!
      Oh and to be clear, I think Godwyn was supposed to get the full Cursemark of Death, but that plan got intercepted and hijacked by Ranni.

  • @jabbathehutt2774
    @jabbathehutt2774 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I've always believed that Ranni hijacked the ritual Godwyn was supposed to go through, but Marika seemed upset by his death, which in my mind meant that it was unintentional, but now that i think of it it actually makes more sense. What was supposed to be the first rebirth of a demi god, became the first death of a demigod. Maybe that's why she jettisoned destined death from the order.

  • @Tilespawn
    @Tilespawn 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    This came to mind in the very last part of the video, but now that I think about it, there's an outer god of rot, frenzy and technically deathblight (the twinbird). And the formless mother probably counts in this list too, but could there be an outer god for every status effect? (probably in the DLC). Ranni's dark moon could be related to frostbite, an outer god of poison could be related to the serpent of Rykard and the duelist gladiators. And probably the furthest stretch, "Saint" in St. Trina, could be literal, and Miquella (cut content indicates St. Trina was Miquella's alter-ego)could have encountered the outer god of sleep just like the unalloyed needle indicated with the other outer gods.

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I really like that idea! The dark moon would fit Ranni and frostbite perfectly and I wonder if an outer god of poison could be Eiglay/the serpent god worshipped in Mt. Gelmir. And I suppose it's fitting that an outer god of sleep would be the most mysterious; as it stands, the only thing I can think of would be one of those giant enemy crabs in Liurnia...

    • @Tilespawn
      @Tilespawn 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@garrulousgoldmask I honestly have no idea why those crabs inflict sleep, since they're basically alburnaurics. But I think the more likely answer, is that besides St. Trina there is no other connection to the sleep outer god in the base game (it would be nice to see in the DLC).

    • @desmondcoppin591
      @desmondcoppin591 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wdym probably? The formless mother DEFINETELY counts.

    • @cernunnos8344
      @cernunnos8344 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The twinbird is actually the god of proper death as the rite birds used to give death, not undeath. God of undeath is probably where deathblight comes from

    • @Tilespawn
      @Tilespawn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cernunnos8344 that's a good theory, but a strong counterpoint is deathblight originates from Godwyn the prince of death, not the prince of undeath, and also the deathbird boss enemies have a roar attack that inflict deathblight (besides the ghostflame that inflicts frost). so my point still stands.

  • @Tstorm731
    @Tstorm731 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It’s absolutely a reference to the Golden Bough. That text is absolutely essential in any study of Western esotericism. It’s not factually accurate but it’s popularity (particularly among writers and artists more generally) seems to support the idea that it strikes a chord in our subconscious.
    The moment I saw the Erdtree, I expected us to abscond with a bough and kill the games version of Gwynn to take their place. It turned out to be referenced in a much more subtle way with Ranni’s plot. I had never thought about how Godwin may have been diseased though. I can’t believe it never occurred to me that he already had death-blight.
    Your video has inspired me to start making videos. It seems that only ~40% of ER lore is explicitly dispensed to the player. Previous titles by the 1 year mark felt more like ~50-60%. I’ve been getting that 40 closer to 60 through literary references and you have already covered two of them (and added some context that I missed). I have a few of my own that I think might help people get a slightly clearer picture. Honestly, until I saw your videos, I didn’t really think anyone would care. You’re doing great work.

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thank you so much! And I'm flattered to hear you're starting to make your own videos! There is so much esoteric symbolism in the game; we need more eyes

  • @paralam2175
    @paralam2175 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Holy! Godwyn's legs aren't shown anywhere, and now they've transformed into a mermaid tail. Good catch with never seeing his lower body.

    • @Hugo_Tate
      @Hugo_Tate 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      His entire body is shown…how did you miss it?

  • @Nemo12417
    @Nemo12417 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Did you say Mistletoe? In Norse mythology, mistletoe is how Loki killed Baldr, which set up the events leading to Ragnarok. More than one commentator has noted that Godwyn the Golden seems to draw inspiration from Baldr.

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      So Frazer actually spent a massive amount of The Golden Bough talking about the Baldr myth! Unfortunately, he tried to shoehorn it with his own overarching theory that really didn't respect the source material. One of the criticisms I linked (“When the Bough Breaks”) goes into much more detail if you're interested!

    • @Nemo12417
      @Nemo12417 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@garrulousgoldmask
      Yeah, I hear Campbell had a really bad habit of doing that as well.

  • @Lost-Carcosa
    @Lost-Carcosa 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Totally agree on your opinion on the Lichdragon's OST, goes stupidly fucking hard. Best song in the game, just wish the boss was harder.

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Yeah! Entering Godwyn's dream and expecting to fight a giant necro merman only to find myself in an 80s metal album cover is still one of my favorite Elden Ring moments.

  • @KingBurgers
    @KingBurgers 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can think of a possible explanation for this myself, but the full actual rune of death exists in Maliketh's sword. So after the "botched" death of Godwyn, why not just hop on down with the rest of the rune of death and slay his body/mind correctly?
    Btw the death knights in the DLC do kind of support your idea here, the knights knew they were destined to guard the tombs, their helmets were made of deathmasks. It's as if they already knew that Godwyn was "supposed to" die

  • @W_W-f8y
    @W_W-f8y 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You even went the extra mile and included links to both the book itself and to and Ludwig Wittgenstein's remarks on it. Best Elden Ring lore channel hands down

  • @falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962
    @falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Rex Nemorensis does not get enough attention when people discuss ER, especially since the Regal Ancestor Spirit encapsulates perfectly the notion of a king that rules for a time, then is supPLANTed (pun on budding horns) after growing too weak. The Ancestor Worshippers lionize the idea that even their "gods" will die and be replaced. The very mechanics of the boss fight (with animals living and dying all around the boss) embody the notion of Rex Nemorensis. So I think it is certainly more than local translation shenanigans in the use of the Golden Bough iconography. There is a philosophical substrate that explains all of the imagery and dynamics in ER.

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Great catch (and pun!) with the Ancestor Spirits!

  • @frewtlewps1152
    @frewtlewps1152 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have a feeling that Shadow of the Erdtree will have an ocean themed region, because Those Who Live in Death and Godwyn have a strong connection to oceanic life.

  • @HeevaEgo
    @HeevaEgo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think you might be my favourite Loretuber. You’re the only TH-camr whose interpolations I find most relatable to my own theories and Ideas, as well as offering new and nuanced ideas I hadn’t thought of before
    Well done!

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Considering the field, that's quite the compliment! Thank you so much!

  • @cernunnos8344
    @cernunnos8344 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Godwyn being cursed with deathblight like Malenia with scarlet rot makes so much sense

  • @IYENSS
    @IYENSS 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    AMAZING VIDEO bro it makes a toonnnn of sens with what I've gathered so far!! Thank yoy!

  • @waltercook3843
    @waltercook3843 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "Dan Gogh" as Joseph Campbell 😂

  • @whatsnewbois9814
    @whatsnewbois9814 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    So if the twinbird afflicted Godwyn, the formless mother the Omen twins, the god of rot Malenia, then who or what afflicted Miquella?

    • @Lost-Carcosa
      @Lost-Carcosa 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Perhaps Marika herself? She is partially seen as the Goddess of Fertility and Plenty, literally removing the concept of death from the world. She afflicts her own son with immortal unchanging life and sort of passes on her own intersex nature onto him with the Miquella/Saint Trina split.
      Obviously she's not an Outer God, but Miquella was probably born at the time that Marika was getting really suspicious with the Golden Order and the Greater Will.

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Great question! Personally, I think it was Radagon. I go into more detail in my Radagon antagonist vid but TL; DW he was somehow able to extract the Rune of the Unborn from the Elden Ring and give it to Rennala. Plus that Great Rune has a very similar shape to Malenia’s and is in charge of perfecting unborn demigods.
      All that said, it's quite possible there could be another outer god at work (we only know of four and I don't believe there is anything in game that says how many there are). Maybe we'll find out in Dark Souls 2 2 2?

  • @thiagobnla
    @thiagobnla 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great take! Made me think of how water is linked to death in Elden Ring and something I thought about very early since the release of the game that maybe Godwin had the form of a merman or sea creature (even maybe the sea creature removed from the world map?) and so he would spread death blight after his “death”. Did anyone predicted the spread before laying his body on the food of the erdtree (I don’t remember seeing anything about it on Ranni’s plans) every new theory brings so many new questions

  • @gagemcmahon9485
    @gagemcmahon9485 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    New subscriber here been goin through your channel just found it. Great stuff so far love your theories and memes great stuff bro

  • @jerbear1722
    @jerbear1722 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Everyone's looking at the DLC, as a Miquella zone, but I would bet that with one brothers death stagnating with fail attempts at revival, it's going to go back to the first god to die, maybe even exist, the family will soon come full circle.

    • @desmondcoppin591
      @desmondcoppin591 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think there will be two dlcs. One for Miquelon, and one for godwyn.

    • @Saruva_Eduardo
      @Saruva_Eduardo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@desmondcoppin591 I hope you're right cause I'm not ready to let the "age of Elden Ring" go yet

  • @beansnrice321
    @beansnrice321 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hehe, I was curious if you'd talk about Frazer.

  • @Writh811
    @Writh811 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is an interesting idea. One counter to the whole "cursed children" thing, none save for Godwyn are actually cursed. Morgott and Mohg theorized to be older than Godwyn, were from the age of the Crucible a time where being born an Omen was considered a blessing. The Golden Order rebranded this as a negative. Malenia is not cursed with rot, she was chosen by the Scarlot Rot to be its god. The Golden Order brands this a curse because it is the power of another god in a society that believes Marika is the one true god. But if you ask Gowry and the Kindred they have a different outlook. Miquella has eternal youth something many would consider a blessing, especially since everyone in the Lands Between who isn't a Demi-god still ages while being immortal. Nothing in the game states Miquella had a negative impression of his disposition nor that he was trying to rectify it. Someone just randomly assumed it and put it out on the internet and everyone takes as gospel for some reason. Nothing in the game EVER states he was trying to grow up not even in cut content. Heck in cut-content we get the impression that Miquella kinda gave up on "curing" curses and realized everyone just wants to and deserves to thrive. Technically these 4 individuals, two sets of non-identical twins could be considered blessed in one hand.
    Godwyn is cursed in so much as Ranni cursed him to live in death as consequence of her destroying her body. The interesting thing is I'm not really sure what Deathblight actually does in a lore sense. I thought it would cause an afflicted to become one who lives in death but Rogier did not seem to suffer such a fate. He just started growing vines and going to sleep. That's when a thought occurred to me, which might run slightly counter to your theory, Godwyn may have had some affinity with plants and vines. The statues outside of gates before the Fortified Manor may be depicting Godwyn holding a spear while covered in vines. After the Night of Black Knives, the plants that grow on him likely started to reflect the new change and became Death Blight vines. Part of me likes this idea, especially since Destined Death presents as fire so you would think Death Blight would be fiery rather than vines, unless vines was already part of Godwyn's nature. Not to mention, I would expect something to start growing out of or radiating off of Ranni's corpse since she was also subjected to Destined Death. A random thought while typing.
    (Just before I hit comment my brain yelled at me, "If Godwyn is the vine covered spearman statue could we speculate that Elden John (statue guy in Uhl ruins) might actually be his ancestor. Another fun thought)

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      All fair points! Though for Malenia, she would have succumbed to the Scarlet Rot if it weren't for Miquella and his unalloyed gold; ironic that the rot is so powerful it would end up destroying its own vessel. As for Miquella, he did create a cocoon and thanks to datamining, we know that inside it, he looks like an Orphan of Kosplayer (or some say Kosmplayer).
      So I can see where the idea that Miquella didn't like his eternal youth could have taken off as a theory/assumption, even if, like so much else in the game, it's not directly stated. Though like you said, he does have that wonderful (but currently cut) line about letting all things flourish, whether graceful or malign, so in his eyes, this transformation might not be seen as overcoming a curse.
      In any case, that's a really awesome idea about Godwyn being depicted in those statues! It always struck me as odd that we never got any depictions of him, even though he was a total Chad; I love the idea that we've been surrounded by his image the whole time!

  • @Ontos99
    @Ontos99 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A very strong theory however explain to me why the soulless demigods residing in the Museleums are referred to as Marika's unwanted children. In this context you have provided, these assassinations are done in the spirit of 'revitalizing their failing strength' via death and reincarnation? Therefore, this is why they were Marika's 'unwanted children' at the time. To preserve their legacy, she attempted the NotbK.
    Let me know if these inferences are solid from the foundation you've laid out here.

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for watching and for leaving such an insightful comment! And that's absolutely a solid inference! The other explanation I have for the soulless demigods is that they were supposed to be the vessel(s) to contain Godwyn after his ritualistic death and resurrection. The vessel idea is further backed by one of Marika's spoken echoes, where she tells her demigod children that if they fail to become anything at all, they'll be "amounting only to sacrifices."
      But because of their vital role in this process, the now nameless demigods were also targeted on the NotBK as part of the plot to sabotage Godwyn and prevent him from becoming a true martyr to Destined Death. This idea builds off of another video where I look into Alecto and her inspirations from Greek and Roman mythology.

  • @nitrousdata
    @nitrousdata 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bro i wasnt ready for that britney spears cameo

  • @lorisceleste1860
    @lorisceleste1860 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Finally an interesting theory in this community! 🎉

  • @LunaPendragon1988
    @LunaPendragon1988 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I know this is gonna be a bit of a stretch, but what if Ronni and Godwyn are 2 halves of a whole some how? She had red hair, he was blonde... they both "died" at the same time, by the same method. There are a lot of other 2 halves type demigods so, why not? Also Godwyn would be the sun and Ranni the moon.

  • @AtelierMcMuttonArt
    @AtelierMcMuttonArt 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What did you mean by "Supposed to sound like Benhart of Jugo"?

  • @victorprati7908
    @victorprati7908 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Was Miquella trying to revive Godwyn? Holy shi- 😮 were this info comes from?

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      So like a lot of the lore in the game, it's not directly stated but heavily implied by a spirit NPC at Castle Sol (he's right by the Haligtree medallion half that you get after beating Niall). He says this: “Lord Miquella, forgive me. The sun has not been swallowed. Our prayers were lacking. Your comrade remains soulless.” And Castle Sol is heavily linked with the Eclipse, which itself was a symbol for the soulless demigods.

    • @victorprati7908
      @victorprati7908 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@garrulousgoldmask oh that's good! I always thought that that spirit NPC was referring to the souless demigod in the wandering mausoleum close by the castle (calling they "comrade" doesn't sound that much family related for me). The golden epitaph's description (and practical use) suggests at least for me that Miquella just wants to give Godwyn a true death and to be free from his actual condition so idk if when that happens his soul which is already "gone" would come back to the Erdtree to be revived but who knows how this revival thing works right?😅

  • @drizlam5827
    @drizlam5827 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the story trailer, Ranni (if not lying) says the demigods began to fall with Godwyn the first. Meaning he was the not the only demigod killed however it happened that Ranni slew herself at the same time he was killed. So perhaps he wasnt targed specific, only criteria was being a demigod to get it lol. And now i wonder if the other demigods were his descendants or Marika’s other children ( with Godfrey or Radagon)

  • @joesaiditstrue
    @joesaiditstrue 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Godwyn was never afflicted with Deathblight, he was simply killed in soul alone. The Deathblight is a sort of infestation coming from the decaying of the corpse of someone who was killed by the death rune.

  • @rainbowkrampus
    @rainbowkrampus 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Godwyn being different from the other demigods is a sign of his lineage. Namely, I don't think he is Godfrey's son.
    It's a long story and going over all of the evidence takes forever but in short, Placidusax is most likely Godwyn's father. Godwyn's death reveals his true nature as a hybrid creature. With the death of his soul and the continued life of his body, he comes to effectively house the "spirit" of death.
    There was no intervention in the Night of Black Knives. I subscribe to the idea that Ranni, Miquella and Marika were working together to free Marika from her golden cage of godhood. What I believe explains the current state of the Lands Between is that the conspirators had no idea what would happen with Godwyn since the only person who knew about his true lineage was Marika and I do not believe that she was directly involved in the plan but rather was indirectly involved through other means which is a whole other topic.
    Godwyn's current state is, I believe, an unexpected accident which threw everyone's plans out of whack. That's why we arrive in the game to find everything in a state of stagnation. The demigods are all siloed in their little areas, no one sits on the throne and there is no Order.
    Also, yes, the Fortissax theme is one of my favorite pieces of music From have ever put in a game. It's way underrated.

    • @the1384
      @the1384 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Placidusex being Godwyn Father... That explains the Dragon Connections but I need more.
      Dragons could take to Form of Humans right, but we never saw that In-Game that's strange.
      Also Godwyn could be the Son of the GEQ who was raised by Marika after her Defeat.

    • @emilyminnow
      @emilyminnow 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Your Placidusax theory has me thinking... So a scion is like a part cut off a plant to be grafted onto another or rooted to grow into a separate plant right? What if one of the heads that was cut off of Placidusax was used in this way, either grafted onto something/someone else or "rooted" to grow into a new being and that became Godwyn? Maybe Marika somehow took one of the heads and made a hybrid with herself or her child or had it rebirthed by the Erdtree maybe? I don't really know where I'm going with this, but perhaps you are on to something...

    • @emilyminnow
      @emilyminnow 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      (Also it could be significant that Godrick who is also called "the Golden" attempts to merge himself with a dragon in some kind of bastardized version of grafting. Perhaps he was trying to become like Godwyn? As for Placidusax other missing head... the Gloam Eyed Queen? Okay I'm done lmao)

    • @rainbowkrampus
      @rainbowkrampus 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@emilyminnow That's a fair take given just how much of Marika's symbology stems (heh) from plant biology.
      That aspect plays into my thoughts about Marika in regards to the M children. Melina says that she was born at the foot of the Erdtree, is clearly connected to Malenia and Miquella but for some reason is nowhere to be found in the records of the world. My hypothesis is that these children, born of Marika and what seems to be another aspect of herself, Radagon, are actually a plant phenomenon known as clonal daughters.
      We see a purely physical version of this phenomenon with Malenia. I think that what Marika did was divide up aspects of her soul/remembrance. So these children in effect are Marika. This is why Melina can access the echoes of Marika while having no memories of her. What we find within the Erdtree is a literal husk.
      So, yeah, the missing heads/head could have gone into making Godwyn. You'll get no argument from me. That might even explain why in the internal files the heads of Placidusax are labelled female. At least one of the male heads could have been repurposed.

    • @rainbowkrampus
      @rainbowkrampus 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@emilyminnow Lol, well, I think Marika was the GEQ. The reason for Melina apparently having some of her features is explained in my other comment.
      As for Godrick, it's worth noting that Stormveil reads to me like a big literary echo of Sleeping Beauty. It's a mix of three versions of the story with the titular "beauty" being down there in the basement.
      That is to say, I don't think Godrick knows that Godwyn was a hybrid because I don't think that anyone does besides Marika and Godfrey.

  • @mistahanansi2264
    @mistahanansi2264 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It's definitely a good interpretation. That being said, the Japanese text of the game always predates the English translations. And the Japanese don't distinguish between the word "bough", "twig", and "branch" which means we're likely just choosing our own symbolism when it comes to words like "Golden Bough" when really it likely has no higher meaning than "A Branch made of Gold", which is in itself is likely referring to the "Golden Lineage" of Marika and Godfrey's bloodline, and is ALSO purposely meant to bear similarities to the Erd Tree (a large glowing golden tree).
    And likewise, the Japanese don't distinguish between the words "scion", "inheritor", and "successor". So in Japanese, the phrase "Scion of the Golden Bough" has no more inherent meaning that "The Successor of the Golden Branch", and EVEN THEN, that may not be the exact translation as it makes little sense when translated back into Japanese, and given Elden Ring's infamous gross mistranslation with Ranni's speech during her specific Ending, it's not unreasonable to think there are at least more than a few minor mistranslations that the English team made, due to certain words or phrases not having exact matches in a different language.
    An example being that the phrase "The Lands Between" is often referred to as "The Interstice" in Japanese forums by those players, which is also taken directly from the manga Berserk, same as most things in the game. But as for why we don't use the word "Interstice" for the English translation, despite having it, well... only the team who translated all the programming and dialogue into English can say for sure.
    In conclusion, the phrase "Scion of the Golden Bough" is probably a unique translation in the English version, where as they're probably saying something slightly (or completely) different in the original Japanese, which is closer to the intended canon than the English. But in fairness, both versions are open to different interpretation, which is a purposeful Miyazaki design so that:
    1. The lore doesn't need to have a cohesive story, since good writing is often difficult to pull off.
    2. By leaving everything open to interpretation, many key points don't actually have to make sense, thus skipping the most important (and most difficult) piece of any good piece of writing.
    3. Many people love it, and it's quite a successful model used by many Japanese game designers. Miyazaki wasn't the first to use this technique to massive success with foreigners, and definitely won't be the last.
    4. It's a model that actually works well for nonlinear video games (aka open world games), but would be an absolute no-no in a TV show where they HAS to be a specific and cohesive linear story.
    5. It also doubles as a "cop out", in that you don't have to actually make sure there aren't any inconsistencies, as you can say "that's just the style~". But from a business perspective, it saves on time/money spent writing as you can leave it the players' imagination and interpretation as to how it all fits together.
    But given that the entire game is open to interpretation as per Miyazaki's intentions, chances are that whoever chose the word "Scion of the Golden Bough" to be the translation used in the English version of the game, had in mind EXACTLY how you interpreted it. And I firmly believe that your interpretation is what they were trying to relay to us when they chose those words, so well done!

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Thanks for watching and for leaving such an in-depth comment! W/r/t translations, I completely agree that the Japanese version should be the first among equals for other FromSoft games (especially Sekiro!)
      Though Elden Ring is unique since George R.R. Martin came up with significant portions of the worldbuilding and lore. Case in point: According to Miyazaki, Martin came up with the phrase “the Lands Between.”
      www.ign.com/articles/elden-ring-miyazaki-hidetaka-full-interview-summer-of-gaming
      So in a nice inversion, calling the Lands Between the Interstice a la Berserk is a brilliant localization choice.

  • @lorddervish212quinterosara6
    @lorddervish212quinterosara6 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    6:04 lol

  • @_Debu
    @_Debu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:15 bruh??

  • @maidros85
    @maidros85 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Based on the final seconds of the video, I'm calling it now. Miquella is going to be the main character of the Shadow of the Erdtree, and s/he is going exorcise outer gods from the Lands Between

  • @beansnrice321
    @beansnrice321 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is neither here nor there but am I the only one getting this creeping sensation that the Miyazaki has some deep unvoiced guilt for how the base game was on launch, akin to the way CD Projekt Red felt about CP20277?
    I bring this up because, in addition to my first impression I also have this feeling the Miyazaki-san wants to make up for his mis-placed feelings of guilt by knocking the Marika-loving socks off of everyone with the coming DLC.(kind of like how CDPR reacted with their DLC) =)

  • @zaneattano1311
    @zaneattano1311 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    More armored core 6 please please 🥺🥺
    I am subscribing

  • @Hugo_Tate
    @Hugo_Tate 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This guy talks funny lol

  • @fungalsquirt9379
    @fungalsquirt9379 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Something that I find really interesting about you mentioning that Virgil referred to the Golden Bough as Mistletoe is that it reminds me of Baldur in Norse mythology, specifically since I see Godwyn as a Baldur-like character (a god being loved by all and his death causing a domino effect that leads to the end of the world) and that Mistletoe was the only thing that could kill Baldur.

    • @garrulousgoldmask
      @garrulousgoldmask  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah! That was also a potential connection that fascinated Frazer but unfortunately, he ignored a lot of nuance in trying to fit his theory together. One of the criticisms of Frazer I linked in the description ("When the Bough Breaks") goes into much more detail if you're interested!