Fun Fact. Maybe US wont be the same as now, if in 1667 Netherland doesn't trade Manhattan with Run Island - Indonesia with British Colonial Govt. And I believe u'll cast in ducth rather than english. 😁
Yeah but in 1667 Manhattan was just some backwater swamps. Run Island and the Maluku islands in general were a treasure trove of spices. To quote a Portuguese historian, "Gold was growing in the trees". Even if the Dutch kept Manhattan, the US government would've bought it later on anyways
@@MM-vs2et True. That's why dutch want to trade them. At that time, Spice has more value than gold. Sadly dutch (VOC) tend to squeezing everything till all dried out w/o trying to preserve for the future. Miss management and corruption is VOC best set of skills.
Is more complicated than that. It’s not just because US bombed japan per se. We already planed and organized the independent long before that time. An organization had been initiated by Indonesian, pro Indonesia-Dutch and pro Indonesia-Japanese. The Nagasaki- herosima bom was the momentum. We shouldn’t oversimplified any history facts. Pandji presented well to them only he missed the biggest fact that we fight for the independence not given by any countries (without neglecting the favor from few countries who support Indonesian independence)
Why we shouldn't? If i were Pandji, i would do the same. Why would i bother explaining complete details abt Indonesian history, to a bunch of US citizens? It's not like they REALLY care abt Indonesia. and.. It's a comedy podcast anyway.
Well... Every history of every country ARE complicated. You know that this is a podcast right? Of another nation to boot. Why would you explain detailed history when all they want to know is "in the nutshell" thing? It's not like they interested in the whole story anyway.
It is difficult to find the history of movements in other countries that are as great as and throughout the history of the Indonesian independence movement. what Panji said was only 1% of Indonesia's long history. 🙏
Kalau baca buku-buku atau literasi sejarah perang dunia ke 2, kita akan menyadari sejarah yang sebenarnya di balik deklarasi kemerdekaan Indonesia 17-08-1945. Ya kita harus selalu menghargai jasa-jasa para pahlawan di masa penjajahan panjang Belanda maupun penjajahan singkat Jepang, tapi kita juga harus paham apa sebab yang sebenarnya yang membuat kita bisa mendeklarasikan kemerdekaan Indonesia.
02:25 netherlands coming into papua after Indonesia got the independence, and we have to war again to help papua againts netherland. our general asking to U.S. for some weapon and armament, but the U.S. decline it. and you know where we heading next, of course the Soviet Union. the Soviet finally gave us the most heavily weapon and most advance military stuff of the era such aircraft of Mig 21, the strategic bomber TU-16, and Sverdlov-class naval cruisers. and for the complete story, you definitely able to search on the google hahah
White man came across the sea He brought us pain and misery He killed our tribes, he killed our creed He took our game for his own need We fought him hard, we fought him well Out on the plains we gave him hell But many came, too much for Cree Oh, will we ever be set free? if u sing this song ur true legend
Lebay,, mereka bawa penderitaan bukan ke kamu kan, tapi ke kakek nenek kamu, atau kita semua bangsa Indonesia, jadi bersyukur aja bukan generasi kita yg rasaain penderitaan itu, sosoan ngomong pain pain pain, pain naruto yg kamu tau
there was something called the Jayabaya prophecy, where it says that Java will be ruled by people with squint-eyes and yellow skin for as long as the lifetime of a corn plant. It was written down back when Hinduism was severely being outcompeted by Islam around the region.
Dont you know Indonesians fought fiercely for their independence? Years by years? Yeah we also gotta admit that we had momentum when the US bombed Japan.
Happy Independence day to my country!!🇮🇩🇮🇩, and pandji you need to told them about our guerrilla war against the dutch too, cause thats the coolest part i think🇮🇩🇮🇩
well the true fight is when we declared independences, and the dutch came back. we had war from 1945- 1949, After soekarno, US came. after that? read the book called, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. that book explaining a lot what happens in indonesia.
Indonesia has been colonized by the Dutch for 300 years, but the Indonesian government does not want to use Dutch as an official language, that is our pride
Nope, US never help Indonesian independence, in fact US help their friend Netherlands to invade Indonesia again after Japan out from Indonesia and after we declared independence at 1945.
even i do admiring Panji, i really dont believe that we just had to run government and got our independence because Japan was bombed by America alone..... there's so many people died there bro.....
Its the actual fact its one of the reason we got our independence, ofc there's a lot of reason and course of event that lead us to that, but the bombing gave us momentum to all of the things that build up in the past and declare the independence
@@riothedestroyer im not into some historical story about our beloved Indonesia.... but lemme taught you something, just write kemerdekaan indonesia here in youtube, im skeptic and dont read all the sources, too lazy you might say, but i dont believe panji on this one
@@Peanuts76 tell me which one you disagree with him, we were quiet and peace back then and then netherlands came to us and they stole all the nature we had, we defended our country from the netherlands for a fuckin 300+ years but we're still not win against them, then these japanese people came to us while the netherlands troops and army were still in indonesia, of course they wanna take our oil, logistic, alumunium and etc. but you know whats funny and lucky? japanese think they were the lions and greatest and they didnt even know american were planning to drop a nuclear bomb. and then boom they surrended to american. luckily sutan syahir heard the radio about it and know the japenese lost to american, and japenese didnt even have any power to attack indonesia because of the american, thats why the rest of japenese army lived in indonesia. and for the love of God we just declared the independence day, and japenese never come back again to attack us. remember technically we never win against them, but i respect to our heroes, pahlawan dan bangsa indonesia yang berhasil mempertahankan indonesia.
Sorry to say, but USA never help Indonesia, fact is after the Allies won the war they split the territory that have been occupied by japan, the dutch take indonesia while USA take Vietnam, but they beaten up so badly so does with the dutch, the dutch try to ask help from USA but they couldnt help cause USA themselves is also beaten up in vietnam
This certainly didn’t happen....When Indonesia fought their war of independence, the USA weren't even in Korea.....Vietnam began in the 1960's, Indonesia 1950. You just don't know about history, just talking out of your kontol
Indonesia never won the war? I thought Indonesia did... Remember "everything is fair in love and war" The goal is having independence that was the real war Indonesia have... How ever it went , it went to the main purpose
Indonesia win some battle with Netherland after the indepence, but not the war itself. Well, to be fair no one win the war physically. Although deplomatically, Indonesia win the war.
@@kikijihan8316 Indonesia never won a battle during the independence war....It was political pressure from USA which made the Dutch leave Indonesia....
si pen g sangat bebas banget disana ya ketersinggungannya ga se barbar disini yang semua langsung lapor polisi rumah nya digeruduk keluarganya dicaci maki diancam dikucilkan direndahkan
Will the hosts actually let Panji speak and finish his sentence? The constant interruption and watering down of Panji’s words to comical jokes is irritating to watch.
COLONIALISME BY NETHERLANDS AND JAPAN SO BAD LONG TIME AN SO SAD....1600-1945-1949.... PENDUDUK.AMERIKA SERIKAT AUSTRALIA NEW ZEALAND ADALAH PENDUDUK PENDATANG
Kalau baca buku2 atau literasi sejarah perang dunia ke 2, kita akan menyadari sejarah yg sebenarnya di balik deklarasi kemerdekaan Indonesia 17-08-1945. Ya kita harus selalu menghargai jasa2 para pahlawan di masa penjajahan panjang Belanda maupun penjajahan singkat Jepang, tapi kita juga harus paham apa sebab yg sebenarnya yg membuat kita bisa mendeklarasikan kemerdekaan Indonesia.
@@r.d1339 for context OP “give away” means the independence were given by the grace of their conqueror. Not from victory over a battle. Which I replied it’s not, to elaborate things further, Pandji is actually oversimplifying the independence process. We had a “government” in the shape of political party that were acknowledged by the Japanese governement. These parties were consisted of out founding father and they formed an Independence Comittee (PPKI) which planned to announce the transfer of power from the Japanese to the Republic in 24 August 1945, so the atomic bombing actually only speed it up by 7 days to 17 August. And thus cut our ties with Japan, so we need to defend ourselves by ourselves from Dutch invasion backs by the allies.
Fun Fact. Maybe US wont be the same as now, if in 1667 Netherland doesn't trade Manhattan with Run Island - Indonesia with British Colonial Govt. And I believe u'll cast in ducth rather than english. 😁
It's, true.
Haha
Yeah but in 1667 Manhattan was just some backwater swamps. Run Island and the Maluku islands in general were a treasure trove of spices. To quote a Portuguese historian, "Gold was growing in the trees". Even if the Dutch kept Manhattan, the US government would've bought it later on anyways
@@MM-vs2et True. That's why dutch want to trade them. At that time, Spice has more value than gold. Sadly dutch (VOC) tend to squeezing everything till all dried out w/o trying to preserve for the future. Miss management and corruption is VOC best set of skills.
Seizing independence is not about winning a war, but about the struggle, no matter win or lose...
Very well said
Is more complicated than that. It’s not just because US bombed japan per se. We already planed and organized the independent long before that time. An organization had been initiated by Indonesian, pro Indonesia-Dutch and pro Indonesia-Japanese. The Nagasaki- herosima bom was the momentum.
We shouldn’t oversimplified any history facts.
Pandji presented well to them only he missed the biggest fact that we fight for the independence not given by any countries (without neglecting the favor from few countries who support Indonesian independence)
Try explaining that in five minutes using other people language while making it easy for them to understand.
Why we shouldn't? If i were Pandji, i would do the same. Why would i bother explaining complete details abt Indonesian history, to a bunch of US citizens? It's not like they REALLY care abt Indonesia.
and.. It's a comedy podcast anyway.
I wouldn't bother trying to explain all the details if I kept getting interrupted every 15 seconds
Well... Every history of every country ARE complicated. You know that this is a podcast right? Of another nation to boot. Why would you explain detailed history when all they want to know is "in the nutshell" thing? It's not like they interested in the whole story anyway.
@@FirAnto true.
It is difficult to find the history of movements in other countries that are as great as and throughout the history of the Indonesian independence movement. what Panji said was only 1% of Indonesia's long history. 🙏
Disclaimer : Pandji just a stand up comedy not a historian, so don't take all serious cause what he knows just little bit about the historic.
Ya... ya kesannya sebelum tahun 1945, kita tidak melakukan apapun untuk mengupayakan kemerdekaan...
His English is also limited as it's not his mother tongue, so it's hard for him to express his opinion.
Buset hatersnya bang pandji sampe sini wkwkwk
"Stand up comedian" Masa panji komedi, komedian dong? Aduh malu2in aja mending gausah jelasin apa2
lah, kan emang gitu sejarahnya. terlepas dari jejak sjarah lain, tp ini emang sekelumit cerita yg ga ngarang2.
Kalau baca buku-buku atau literasi sejarah perang dunia ke 2, kita akan menyadari sejarah yang sebenarnya di balik deklarasi kemerdekaan Indonesia 17-08-1945.
Ya kita harus selalu menghargai jasa-jasa para pahlawan di masa penjajahan panjang Belanda maupun penjajahan singkat Jepang, tapi kita juga harus paham apa sebab yang sebenarnya yang membuat kita bisa mendeklarasikan kemerdekaan Indonesia.
Momen yg menentukan kemerdekaan Indonesia lebih banyak terjadi di berbagai peristiwa setelah Perang Dunia 2 sih sebenarnya
02:25 netherlands coming into papua after Indonesia got the independence, and we have to war again to help papua againts netherland.
our general asking to U.S. for some weapon and armament, but the U.S. decline it. and you know where we heading next, of course the Soviet Union. the Soviet finally gave us the most heavily weapon and most advance military stuff of the era such aircraft of Mig 21, the strategic bomber TU-16, and Sverdlov-class naval cruisers.
and for the complete story, you definitely able to search on the google hahah
White man came across the sea
He brought us pain and misery
He killed our tribes, he killed our creed
He took our game for his own need
We fought him hard, we fought him well
Out on the plains we gave him hell
But many came, too much for Cree
Oh, will we ever be set free?
if u sing this song ur true legend
Run to the hills! Run for your live!
anjaaazz
ngomong opo bos bos, sok enggres
@@sausagecakes9282 bocil cekolah tk dulu yah
Lebay,, mereka bawa penderitaan bukan ke kamu kan, tapi ke kakek nenek kamu, atau kita semua bangsa Indonesia, jadi bersyukur aja bukan generasi kita yg rasaain penderitaan itu, sosoan ngomong pain pain pain, pain naruto yg kamu tau
there was something called the Jayabaya prophecy, where it says that Java will be ruled by people with squint-eyes and yellow skin for as long as the lifetime of a corn plant. It was written down back when Hinduism was severely being outcompeted by Islam around the region.
Dude how do u know that? That’s deep.. r u even Indonesian?
Jayabaya prophecy is created by sunan giri. Its not real prophecy by person named jayabaya.
@@kaka09876543210 I knew about that, I just wanna know how he knows about that.. it's quite deep information in Ind and he looks like foreigner
hoax myth from java.. disgusting narration
Dont you know Indonesians fought fiercely for their independence? Years by years? Yeah we also gotta admit that we had momentum when the US bombed Japan.
Happy Independence day to my country!!🇮🇩🇮🇩, and pandji you need to told them about our guerrilla war against the dutch too, cause thats the coolest part i think🇮🇩🇮🇩
@@zetaa5057 really bro?
@@octavianusekoselpin6205 It is. See the difference.
🇮🇩 Indonesia. Brighter red, wider flag
🇲🇨 Principality of Monaco. Darker red, shorter flag
@@FirAnto tau klo itu. Mksudnya,bendera yg lu bandingin sma aja di mata gua bro. Efek layar hp gua yg burik apa gmna ya.
@@zetaa5057 wkwk ambyarr, tapi udh di liat"emang beda sih🤣
@@octavianusekoselpin6205 wkwk sama ambyar mana gua rabun lagi, tapi udh di amat"in emang beda si🤣🤣
an elegant way of honoring comedians is to laugh at them
The levels of interruption just kills me. Just let the man talk about his country for like a good minute please.
well the true fight is when we declared independences, and the dutch came back. we had war from 1945- 1949, After soekarno, US came. after that? read the book called, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. that book explaining a lot what happens in indonesia.
I'm floored there's not a lot of dislikes in this video. The interruptions are unwatchable.
yep
ikr
IKR? I THOUGHT I WERE THE ONLY FEW ONES THAT GET IRRITATED AFTER FEW SECONDS IN
Dislikes number gone bro
That one dude always interupting even Kevin was bit bothered by it on the first interviewed u can tell
the japanese also teach indonesian army to shoot to prepare the war against the US
Yes and 1000 japanese army help us to fight the dutch
Its funny cuz Indonesia enemy was their ally too japan, English, USA, and Dutch
Yeah the US Brit and Dutch came back. And the war happen
I like it how you call Panji How he is more queens than he knows
langsung seketika netizen berubah menjadi sejarawan :) lumayan buat di cv banyak bidang ahli klen
You forgot that in 1945 to 1949 Indonesia was in war with Britain and USA aswell.
he said after indepence indonesia went to war with dutch and the dutch get help of britain and usa
yeah he kinda did mention it
I met this guy in a mall... he's cool
who ?
"Indirectly, America help Indonesia to get Independence"
Never Realize that.
It was a deal between the Americans and the Indonesians.....That's why the Americans get the deal to exploit Papua of all it's natural resources...
You are great Panji..
bener kata bg panji, emng bnyk yg di "sapu" tentang sejarah dan kek ny benar history written by the victor
Orang Indonesia pertama berhasil menginjakkan kaki di bulan berkat bantuan orang amerika, namanya Slamet. Gila lucu banget lagi
type in English this is an English speaking podcast not an Indonesian one kid
@@mohammedkhanthepakistanipa3012 why you so serious bro
@@mohammedkhanthepakistanipa3012 do you not like Indonesian?
@@mohammedkhanthepakistanipa3012 Yo chill bro
@@mohammedkhanthepakistanipa3012 f off
Damn.. A history lesson for us here in Indonesia..
it is all in school, not others' fault if you didn't pay attention on class
Pukö leumo peu kapeugah gam...kapiké asai jeut imeututóe bahsa Inggréh kabeh iteupeú mandum...
@@timurlink9332 peu kah prak gam? pajoh bu kaleuh?
@@TeukuArdo kah peu bangai? Nyan ka tuleh nan teuku lom.... tarikh droë keuh hana katuri lé... Maleé ampon - ampon laén ngen kah...!
@@timurlink9332 bodo amat
And The dutch come back 1 month later.. Indonesia is crushed again
Every war has its heroes. No war, no hero.
Indonesia has been colonized by the Dutch for 300 years, but the Indonesian government does not want to use Dutch as an official language, that is our pride
That's why mass corruption happen after Soekarno stepdown and US help Indonesia independence in 1949 i think.
Nope, US never help Indonesian independence, in fact US help their friend Netherlands to invade Indonesia again after Japan out from Indonesia and after we declared independence at 1945.
even i do admiring Panji, i really dont believe that we just had to run government and got our independence because Japan was bombed by America alone.....
there's so many people died there bro.....
It was one of the main reason . So what is your thought about how we got our independence day?
Its the actual fact its one of the reason we got our independence, ofc there's a lot of reason and course of event that lead us to that, but the bombing gave us momentum to all of the things that build up in the past and declare the independence
thats what it was bro just admit it
@@riothedestroyer im not into some historical story about our beloved Indonesia....
but lemme taught you something, just write kemerdekaan indonesia here in youtube, im skeptic and dont read all the sources, too lazy you might say, but i dont believe panji on this one
@@Peanuts76 tell me which one you disagree with him, we were quiet and peace back then and then netherlands came to us and they stole all the nature we had, we defended our country from the netherlands for a fuckin 300+ years but we're still not win against them, then these japanese people came to us while the netherlands troops and army were still in indonesia, of course they wanna take our oil, logistic, alumunium and etc. but you know whats funny and lucky? japanese think they were the lions and greatest and they didnt even know american were planning to drop a nuclear bomb. and then boom they surrended to american. luckily sutan syahir heard the radio about it and know the japenese lost to american, and japenese didnt even have any power to attack indonesia because of the american, thats why the rest of japenese army lived in indonesia.
and for the love of God we just declared the independence day, and japenese never come back again to attack us. remember technically we never win against them, but i respect to our heroes, pahlawan dan bangsa indonesia yang berhasil mempertahankan indonesia.
what the Panji says, it's from his point of view.. for the real history , ask the expert.
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A'ight mate!
Obrolan ketika ditongkrongan pada jam 1 pagi
Pan - G is in da house yoww
Pan G 🤣🤣🤣
FUN G yo ma da fa ka
Pandji circle yeahh 🔥
Why you can't just respect when Pandji is talking man? Your voice is crashing to one another. holy fucking shit.
Came here because pandji
and nothing happened in 1965.
Indonesia independent influence by spirit of US independent
And now Indonesian kids watch john cena vs brock Lesnar 😂
Damn good....respect to Panji....! You are explain Indonesia so detail. Fucking proud with you man....💪😁
Udah tau sih :)
Yg suka sejarah mah pasti tau lah,..
So ironic but that's true. Damn
Mantap bang panji
What do u expect from a comedian suddenly become the national history expert?
lol you skipping history classes aren't you?
@@walalamana7863 i know some but not expert about it. Even some expert is still not 100% accurate about what about him/her sayin
Ratio much
Sorry to say, but USA never help Indonesia, fact is after the Allies won the war they split the territory that have been occupied by japan, the dutch take indonesia while USA take Vietnam, but they beaten up so badly so does with the dutch, the dutch try to ask help from USA but they couldnt help cause USA themselves is also beaten up in vietnam
This certainly didn’t happen....When Indonesia fought their war of independence, the USA weren't even in Korea.....Vietnam began in the 1960's, Indonesia 1950.
You just don't know about history, just talking out of your kontol
Real history
August 1945 in Japan : 💀
August 1945 in Indonesia : 🎉
Nice mas panji 🙏
OMG pandji, you should spoil about all politic in Indonesia heheh
We fought The Dutch with bamboo
Indonesia never won the war? I thought Indonesia did... Remember "everything is fair in love and war" The goal is having independence that was the real war Indonesia have... How ever it went , it went to the main purpose
Indonesia win some battle with Netherland after the indepence, but not the war itself. Well, to be fair no one win the war physically. Although deplomatically, Indonesia win the war.
@@kikijihan8316 Indonesia never won a battle during the independence war....It was political pressure from USA which made the Dutch leave Indonesia....
Panji its not represent the story of indonesia independence day, he just tell what he knew.
Pandji Manusia Millenium
Manusia silver
algoritma indonesia smua
pandji give me some saul goodman vibes
Sad but true
Thats right bruh , american agains japan for get full control of Indonesian mining (Freeport) . Get some research about it !
We have thank'sfull for US.. If them didn't drop it the little boy on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.. Maybe Indonesian history will be different
si pen g sangat bebas banget disana ya ketersinggungannya ga se barbar disini yang semua langsung lapor polisi rumah nya digeruduk keluarganya dicaci maki diancam dikucilkan direndahkan
does he really not know the history of Indonesia, or is he just pretending not to know????
Dutch stop war agaist Indonesian cz US want to stop Marshal Plan.
but, almost 3,5 century Netherlands colonialism in Indonesia, most of Indonesian can't speak dutch. 😃
I do hope that American Would govern Indonesia at that time
Do you actually want to hear this man telling his story? You act like you don't.
Ada Indonesia Coy
Lets make america great again
The US. Yea the gold
Kalau udah di Sono ngomong lebih longgar ya bang 😆
Will the hosts actually let Panji speak and finish his sentence? The constant interruption and watering down of Panji’s words to comical jokes is irritating to watch.
Seandainya gua paham semua bahasanya . Pasti seru
Kan ada caption nya, mkanya belajar
@@Ytpremmdd ok,
Yok bljr Dah banyak kursus bahasa inggris ,online pun jg banyak.
Anyone like nasi goreng here?
Pandji explain the truth.. why Indonesians here not accept?? 😂😂😂😂
Apa yg dikatakan mitt romney cuk
Daaaaaamn
COLONIALISME BY NETHERLANDS AND JAPAN SO BAD LONG TIME AN SO SAD....1600-1945-1949.... PENDUDUK.AMERIKA SERIKAT AUSTRALIA NEW ZEALAND ADALAH PENDUDUK PENDATANG
Adakah kita lupa, negara pertama yang mengakui kemerdekaan Indonesia adalah Palestina dan disusul oleh negara-negara arab lainnya
Hoax
Bukan kak, bisa dibaca lagi ya hehe sejarah yg itu
Do you know Hitler Died in Garut City??? Ask Pandji about that, he will tell yhe Truth..
Wooowwww
Antab ngab
🇮🇩 thanks bang Panji
Ada indonesia coy
Stop to over proud
@@antoblockz7806 lek komen ini jika kamu cinta indonesia
@@-antares_ dah gua dislike
G30spki juga biang kerok nya amerika tod 🤟
hhhmmmm💀
Dont take seriously from a comedian who make jokes about 1998 riot…
Anjay si panji
What the....., so thats what was happen. I really dont learn that.
Sub indo please
Oh shoot this is so good.
wuddup dud. a fan boy, aren't ya?
@@fauzanrahman3149 AYO MA DUDES, YES I AM EUYYYY
@@aldyirfan9634 same hahaha
Lakasud..?
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Gila bang panji
The chance to get a great insight about understanding other country's origin was ruined because these guys kept interrupting non stop. Do better.
titip sendal
akupun
Tidak mengambil. Senjata Dari belanda…semuanya.. kita juga beli senjata…
Iya betul. Ada juga beli senjata di black market di Singapura.
@@yuliusandrian2503 tahun dulu mah ngk apa2… saya pernah dengar cerita nya Dari pejuang 45 . Waktu saya smp ….
Era kemerdekaan Kebanyakan senjata kita dari bekas tentara jepang sebenarnya, bahkan kapal pun kita dari jepang,,
@@egayanuer5612 ada rampasan ada yang beli
Panji
Kok cerita sejarahnya kayak aji mumpung ya
Hadiah give away
Kalau baca buku2 atau literasi sejarah perang dunia ke 2, kita akan menyadari sejarah yg sebenarnya di balik deklarasi kemerdekaan Indonesia 17-08-1945.
Ya kita harus selalu menghargai jasa2 para pahlawan di masa penjajahan panjang Belanda maupun penjajahan singkat Jepang, tapi kita juga harus paham apa sebab yg sebenarnya yg membuat kita bisa mendeklarasikan kemerdekaan Indonesia.
@@allisall1309 nggak perlu diulang2 di tiap komen bro
“Give away” itu kalo ngikutin rencana PPKI
can't you use english? I don't understand what you guys are talking about
@@r.d1339 for context OP “give away” means the independence were given by the grace of their conqueror. Not from victory over a battle. Which I replied it’s not, to elaborate things further, Pandji is actually oversimplifying the independence process. We had a “government” in the shape of political party that were acknowledged by the Japanese governement. These parties were consisted of out founding father and they formed an Independence Comittee (PPKI) which planned to announce the transfer of power from the Japanese to the Republic in 24 August 1945, so the atomic bombing actually only speed it up by 7 days to 17 August. And thus cut our ties with Japan, so we need to defend ourselves by ourselves from Dutch invasion backs by the allies.
Peace share to the world
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