2:30 It's a part of the cave in Nuclear Plant's territory, where those yellow barrels were stored since accident in 1986 until Mikkel's disappearance, when Alexander asked Erik Obendorf's father Jurgen to move them out of the Nuclear Plant territory, because Alexander realised that someday police will come looking for Mikkel on it's property, and they might stumble upon those barrels and realise that they've been hiding an accident. Charlotte did find that cave, but barrels were moved. Those barrels were loaded into a truck in early S01 (November, 2019), truck was driven and left next to hooker's caravan. Hooker - Benni, had keys to the truck, because her brother - Woller, asked her to save it for him. As you remember, Woller works for Alexander, not just in a Police. In the beginning of S02 (June, 2020), Woller drove back those barrels to the Nuclear Plant. Alexander poured cement on those barrels, to hide them forever.
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Forgot to mention, that young Alexander himself welded the door shot (by Claudia's order). So Ulrich, when he tried to break in in S01, couldn't break it open even with his crowbar.
Charlotte "found" the other side of the door in Kreuzwege 1x07 when she climbed down into the cave while executing the warrant. It was here that we learned that Ulrich could have tried to open that door forever since the door was welded shut from the "inside". Only later (Alles ist jetzt 1x09) did we learn that it was nobody else but Aleksander (Boris) himself who did this on Claudia's command in 1986.
FUN FACT guys which many people don't notice( even I didn't, I read it on reddit) So in the last scene , Jonas says that in the last one year, Older Claudia taught her everything. ONE YEAR?? So Jonas went from 1920 to 2019. In 2019, Michael kills himself and Jonas goes with older Claudia. But the problem is if he uses the cave now he would reach to 1986( remember the 33 year cycle). So he and older Claudia use the cave and go to 1986 and stay together for 1 year. Now the year is 1987. He simply goes to Claudia's house and find her crying. I hope I was able to explain properly..
Except Jonas went from 1921 to 2019. He broke the 33 year cycle. And was indeed a year older than his innocent, 2019, self, who went to the party and the lake. In episode 6 Claudia took Jonas, the one that already lost his innocence, after he said goodbye to his father. In november 2019, he took Mikkel inside the cave and to 1986. He was still learning from and instructed by old Claudia. In 1987 (And 2020/1954 etc) they seperated and Jonas went to middle aged Claudia to teach and instruct her. This is also a bootstrap paradox.
The show never outright states what Aleksander did, but we can piece together what happened with Boris and real Aleksander based on what we know from season 1 and the newspaper article Aleksander was reading in 2x06 (in 2019). The title was "Murder in Marburg still unsolved 33 years later; Police searching for two perpetrators". The article says two masked men tried to rob a locksmith's shop while it was closed, but the owner was alerted by a neighbor and came to stop them. There was a shoot-out and the owner was killed. The two perpetrators fled the scene and were never caught. In season 1, Boris arrived in Winden, with a gunshot, with a mask, carrying a gun and two passports, for himself and Aleksander. We also know he had experience as a metalworker. I think what happened is that Boris and real Aleksander tried to rob Boris' boss/owner of the place he used to work at Things didn't go as planned and they shot and killed the owner and had to flee, after being wounded in the shootout with the owner or the police. Real Aleksander probably died on the way. Boris ended uo with both their passports and decided it would be safer to take Aleksander's identity. If Aleksander was not employed by the victim, he would be much harder to connect to the crime. Aleksander's body was obviously never identified, since he is still officially missing. So, your guesses were correct.
I would like to point out for any non German speakers that the apparent difference in a locksmith and a metalworker is not existent is the source material. Both positions are called "Schlosser" in German (which by the way stems from the word "Schloss" for lock; oddly enough a castle is also called a "Schloss"). Growing up I had to explain plenty of times that my father did more than creating and repairing locks... actually he did not do a lot with locks at all. IIRC you, FrakkinToaster Luvva, were the one pointing out to me the notion of the Schlosserei in the article.
@@michaelklaus I don't know what the difference is. LOL I couldn't think of another English word at the time. What would be the word? Metal workshop? Metalworks shop? So I just wrote locksmith instead.
@@Laurent_08 That's not really a spoiler. That's a warning not to expect an outright spelled out explanation in dialogue - which would only make them feel disappointed, and miss the actual info. Something that 1) doesn't tell you anything about any actual future events and 2) improves your viewing, is not a "spoiler"
No. If they both were the perpetrators, it wouldn't make sense since both Boris and Aleksander were wanted. I would say that Aleksander was a victim and Boris assumed his identity.
With your disclaimer I was wondering (and here I am outing myself as a non-Patreon, fogive me) if you are offering those full-length reactions with the source material as a picture in picture. I would consider going the same way as other reactors and offering "watch along style reactions". Which basically means that you can upload unedited material (without editing the video in at least)... then again those reactors use headphones while watching to only record the reaction and not the source audio... Because if you do supply the full length episodes in audio and/or video in full lenght you are still infringeing the copyright of the respective owners, you are simply dancing around the platform that tries to obstruct the infringement. If you already do the above you might want to clarify that in order to deal with the weirdoes who think they can keep watching the shows you reacted to for the small price of a membership. ... I can already hear the hate comments I will get for pointing this out.
Yes our Patreon does have picture in picture and you are exactly right about the copyright portion. I myself have issues syncing up the show with our reaction so I can only imagine what it would be like if I tried to have you guys do the same. I know that could pose consequences for us. I guess being honest we are not worried about it right now. Plus after we finish Dark we are taking a break and we are not sure what things will look like when/if we return. -Liz
1:19 Kitty, you are already on fire. 3:50 At least somebody notices that. It makes a lot of sense that Egon is considering Satanism in the late 80s as the "satanic panic" after the publication of Michelle remembers had spread to Europe around the time. Events like this one have only primed him for the topic. The only thing that is bothersome is that Egon already asked Ulrich if he was a satanist in 1953... 4:40 To be as pedantic as Clausen: in the German original it's only 4 centimeters... 2 inches are about 5 centimeters. The difference is even one fifth less. 5:00 As I said: On fire! And I noticed you are already using ear buds. I mean it should have been obvious since the show's audio doesn't sound as if you recorded it. 13:37 Hannah's line is probably the most honest thing she said so far: She says that Ulrich is not her husband, true, but that he has similarities to her husband... well... her husband is still Michael/Mikkel aka Ulrich's son sooooo, duh!? 17:32 So this answer is canonically "on the same day". But it also has to include the note that the prop department on the show is not perfect, sadly. Claudia found the article that foretold her father's demise while she traveled but when she looks at it in this episode it is a different article. She might have also found seperate article but then we have to wonder why those are contradicting each other. In one article it is said that Egon was found on the 26th after his neighbors noticed some strange odor coming from his apartment. In the other one friends got worried since he missed their scheduled game night. The first one does not add up with the show since despite the summer heat it would take at least till the next day for neighbors to smell anything odd. The other one does not completely add up since Egon apparently did completely forget about the game night or at east he is not mentioning it once towards Claudia. My best guess is that Egon originally died earlier in the week and the chain of events was rewritten during production. I think what I like about DARK is that you can conclude what is going to happen in many situations and still hate what is happening but it's more of a general "this is a horrible situation" hate and not a "this is horribly/unsursprinsingly/uninspiredly written" hate. Egon has to be one of my favorite characters simply for the reason some people still don't understand that he was a rather good cop. Yes he was being very judgemental towards Ulrich but in the end it turned out that he was completely right about that. And then he has also overcome all the barriers and figured it all out. Jonas' appearance at the end also confused a lot of people. Some even think that he travelled directly from June 20th 2019, where we saw him leaving with apocalypse-Claudia, to June 26th 1987. But that would have broken the 33 year cycle. They had to travel "the long way round" by spending a year waiting and then ending up on June 22nd 1986. At the end of that day Claudia went back to 1953, buried the time machine for her younger self to find it, and got killed the next day. So Jonas hang around in 1986 for at least the last 4 days. On another note they did indeed stop by on November 4th 2019 during that year for Jonas to take Mikkel through the caves.
@@michaelklaus I really enjoyed your comments!!! Once we finish the show I am so looking forward to going back and rewatching it. I also like Egon a lot. Especially in the 80s. He seems like a very sweet soul. I wish he had more people in his life that cared about him. -Liz
@@michaelklaus Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! I agree that Egon really grows on you he definitely became a character I liked to see! And yes we use ear buds. We like to do that so when we aren't talking we can mute our audio which makes the show audio very crisp for you guys since our reaction audio and show audio are edited in totally separate.
@@michaelklaus With Ulrich spouting off 80's death metal English lyrics and saying that sacrificing kids is saving them, and making predictions about Egon's future, it's no wonder Egon went to Satanism as the root of it. I'm surprised that he didnt call for an exorcist right then and there at the police station, hehe.
2:30 It's a part of the cave in Nuclear Plant's territory, where those yellow barrels were stored since accident in 1986 until Mikkel's disappearance, when Alexander asked Erik Obendorf's father Jurgen to move them out of the Nuclear Plant territory, because Alexander realised that someday police will come looking for Mikkel on it's property, and they might stumble upon those barrels and realise that they've been hiding an accident. Charlotte did find that cave, but barrels were moved. Those barrels were loaded into a truck in early S01 (November, 2019), truck was driven and left next to hooker's caravan. Hooker - Benni, had keys to the truck, because her brother - Woller, asked her to save it for him. As you remember, Woller works for Alexander, not just in a Police. In the beginning of S02 (June, 2020), Woller drove back those barrels to the Nuclear Plant. Alexander poured cement on those barrels, to hide them forever.
Forgot to mention, that young Alexander himself welded the door shot (by Claudia's order). So Ulrich, when he tried to break in in S01, couldn't break it open even with his crowbar.
Charlotte "found" the other side of the door in Kreuzwege 1x07 when she climbed down into the cave while executing the warrant. It was here that we learned that Ulrich could have tried to open that door forever since the door was welded shut from the "inside". Only later (Alles ist jetzt 1x09) did we learn that it was nobody else but Aleksander (Boris) himself who did this on Claudia's command in 1986.
FUN FACT guys which many people don't notice( even I didn't, I read it on reddit)
So in the last scene , Jonas says that in the last one year, Older Claudia taught her everything.
ONE YEAR??
So Jonas went from 1920 to 2019.
In 2019, Michael kills himself and Jonas goes with older Claudia.
But the problem is if he uses the cave now he would reach to 1986( remember the 33 year cycle).
So he and older Claudia use the cave and go to 1986 and stay together for 1 year.
Now the year is 1987. He simply goes to Claudia's house and find her crying.
I hope I was able to explain properly..
Except Jonas went from 1921 to 2019. He broke the 33 year cycle. And was indeed a year older than his innocent, 2019, self, who went to the party and the lake. In episode 6 Claudia took Jonas, the one that already lost his innocence, after he said goodbye to his father. In november 2019, he took Mikkel inside the cave and to 1986. He was still learning from and instructed by old Claudia. In 1987 (And 2020/1954 etc) they seperated and Jonas went to middle aged Claudia to teach and instruct her. This is also a bootstrap paradox.
Also during that year he brought Mikkel from 2019 to 1986.
@@cmo6055 Yes you are right. You have explained it much more clearly than me. 😊
@@AmarthwenNarmacil Yes
The show never outright states what Aleksander did, but we can piece together what happened with Boris and real Aleksander based on what we know from season 1 and the newspaper article Aleksander was reading in 2x06 (in 2019). The title was "Murder in Marburg still unsolved 33 years later; Police searching for two perpetrators". The article says two masked men tried to rob a locksmith's shop while it was closed, but the owner was alerted by a neighbor and came to stop them. There was a shoot-out and the owner was killed. The two perpetrators fled the scene and were never caught.
In season 1, Boris arrived in Winden, with a gunshot, with a mask, carrying a gun and two passports, for himself and Aleksander. We also know he had experience as a metalworker.
I think what happened is that Boris and real Aleksander tried to rob Boris' boss/owner of the place he used to work at Things didn't go as planned and they shot and killed the owner and had to flee, after being wounded in the shootout with the owner or the police. Real Aleksander probably died on the way. Boris ended uo with both their passports and decided it would be safer to take Aleksander's identity. If Aleksander was not employed by the victim, he would be much harder to connect to the crime.
Aleksander's body was obviously never identified, since he is still officially missing.
So, your guesses were correct.
I would like to point out for any non German speakers that the apparent difference in a locksmith and a metalworker is not existent is the source material.
Both positions are called "Schlosser" in German (which by the way stems from the word "Schloss" for lock; oddly enough a castle is also called a "Schloss"). Growing up I had to explain plenty of times that my father did more than creating and repairing locks... actually he did not do a lot with locks at all.
IIRC you, FrakkinToaster Luvva, were the one pointing out to me the notion of the Schlosserei in the article.
@@michaelklaus I don't know what the difference is. LOL
I couldn't think of another English word at the time. What would be the word? Metal workshop? Metalworks shop? So I just wrote locksmith instead.
FrakkinToaster Luvva
You spoled them by saying "The show never outright states what Aleksander did". It's not good.
@@Laurent_08 That's not really a spoiler. That's a warning not to expect an outright spelled out explanation in dialogue - which would only make them feel disappointed, and miss the actual info.
Something that 1) doesn't tell you anything about any actual future events and 2) improves your viewing, is not a "spoiler"
No. If they both were the perpetrators, it wouldn't make sense since both Boris and Aleksander were wanted. I would say that Aleksander was a victim and Boris assumed his identity.
You missed out the letter that lured Clausen to Winden. The Sigmund Freud quote is a hint who sent him this letter.
Wait till you see season 3 🤪
Kitty, I love that red + orange shirt!
Take the break you need but don't stay gone too long
Didn't Hannah say that she wanted to destroy Ulrich?
To The Future 😎
With your disclaimer I was wondering (and here I am outing myself as a non-Patreon, fogive me) if you are offering those full-length reactions with the source material as a picture in picture. I would consider going the same way as other reactors and offering "watch along style reactions". Which basically means that you can upload unedited material (without editing the video in at least)...
then again those reactors use headphones while watching to only record the reaction and not the source audio...
Because if you do supply the full length episodes in audio and/or video in full lenght you are still infringeing the copyright of the respective owners, you are simply dancing around the platform that tries to obstruct the infringement.
If you already do the above you might want to clarify that in order to deal with the weirdoes who think they can keep watching the shows you reacted to for the small price of a membership.
...
I can already hear the hate comments I will get for pointing this out.
Yes our Patreon does have picture in picture and you are exactly right about the copyright portion. I myself have issues syncing up the show with our reaction so I can only imagine what it would be like if I tried to have you guys do the same. I know that could pose consequences for us. I guess being honest we are not worried about it right now. Plus after we finish Dark we are taking a break and we are not sure what things will look like when/if we return.
-Liz
1:19 Kitty, you are already on fire.
3:50 At least somebody notices that. It makes a lot of sense that Egon is considering Satanism in the late 80s as the "satanic panic" after the publication of Michelle remembers had spread to Europe around the time. Events like this one have only primed him for the topic.
The only thing that is bothersome is that Egon already asked Ulrich if he was a satanist in 1953...
4:40 To be as pedantic as Clausen: in the German original it's only 4 centimeters... 2 inches are about 5 centimeters. The difference is even one fifth less.
5:00 As I said: On fire! And I noticed you are already using ear buds. I mean it should have been obvious since the show's audio doesn't sound as if you recorded it.
13:37 Hannah's line is probably the most honest thing she said so far: She says that Ulrich is not her husband, true, but that he has similarities to her husband... well... her husband is still Michael/Mikkel aka Ulrich's son sooooo, duh!?
17:32 So this answer is canonically "on the same day". But it also has to include the note that the prop department on the show is not perfect, sadly. Claudia found the article that foretold her father's demise while she traveled but when she looks at it in this episode it is a different article. She might have also found seperate article but then we have to wonder why those are contradicting each other. In one article it is said that Egon was found on the 26th after his neighbors noticed some strange odor coming from his apartment. In the other one friends got worried since he missed their scheduled game night. The first one does not add up with the show since despite the summer heat it would take at least till the next day for neighbors to smell anything odd. The other one does not completely add up since Egon apparently did completely forget about the game night or at east he is not mentioning it once towards Claudia.
My best guess is that Egon originally died earlier in the week and the chain of events was rewritten during production.
I think what I like about DARK is that you can conclude what is going to happen in many situations and still hate what is happening but it's more of a general "this is a horrible situation" hate and not a "this is horribly/unsursprinsingly/uninspiredly written" hate.
Egon has to be one of my favorite characters simply for the reason some people still don't understand that he was a rather good cop. Yes he was being very judgemental towards Ulrich but in the end it turned out that he was completely right about that. And then he has also overcome all the barriers and figured it all out.
Jonas' appearance at the end also confused a lot of people. Some even think that he travelled directly from June 20th 2019, where we saw him leaving with apocalypse-Claudia, to June 26th 1987. But that would have broken the 33 year cycle. They had to travel "the long way round" by spending a year waiting and then ending up on June 22nd 1986. At the end of that day Claudia went back to 1953, buried the time machine for her younger self to find it, and got killed the next day. So Jonas hang around in 1986 for at least the last 4 days. On another note they did indeed stop by on November 4th 2019 during that year for Jonas to take Mikkel through the caves.
@@michaelklaus I really enjoyed your comments!!! Once we finish the show I am so looking forward to going back and rewatching it. I also like Egon a lot. Especially in the 80s. He seems like a very sweet soul. I wish he had more people in his life that cared about him. -Liz
@@michaelklaus Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! I agree that Egon really grows on you he definitely became a character I liked to see! And yes we use ear buds. We like to do that so when we aren't talking we can mute our audio which makes the show audio very crisp for you guys since our reaction audio and show audio are edited in totally separate.
@@michaelklaus With Ulrich spouting off 80's death metal English lyrics and saying that sacrificing kids is saving them, and making predictions about Egon's future, it's no wonder Egon went to Satanism as the root of it. I'm surprised that he didnt call for an exorcist right then and there at the police station, hehe.