I think people are fascinated with tragedies like this because they want to learn the warning signs to protect themselves - it's a self-preservation instinct
@@yvonne2965his absolutely showed signs. Imo. His all too willingly swallow HIS wants and needs is a sign. "Nice" gets confused with "fake" too often. My husband is "nice" very quiet and all that. He WILL allow me and others to run him over and then BOOM I often encourage him to GET MAD 😂 Yell, scream...break stuff! Its natural. What's NOT natural is never showing those not so "nice" personality traits. But we need to encourage that. Especially in our men. They are encouraged to "toughin up" or "be a man". This HAS TO STOP
@@butameremortal9424 ..I completely agree with you .. & definitely that was not normal for him to be so overly agreeable and “perfect” all the time.. He looked like he had no idea of who he was & just based his value on pleasing others
It's not something that we, or they'll ever be able to put their finger on,no matter how educated or experienced they get bc there's nothing that stood out for anyone to see in this case as CW was a ""master at hiding in plain sight" - there was no sign that anything was "off' here. And CW behaviour post murders? usually all of them are very agitated - even the psychopaths....CW didn't miss a beat.. I've seen footage of him around 30 mins after the girls murders with him lining up in a queue to buy a breakfast burger - he was hungry & very calm & patient.. imho the best thing we can do to protect themselves ( if that's what they want) is to start listening to our "gut feelings'... maybe gut feelings are not very active in some people presently but that's probably bc they've not really listened to them or acted on them....or if they've listened to them then they'd talked themselves out of acting on them & on the surface some of them can be right " out there" irrational,odd & baseless & if they share them they get talked out of them...& then find that they were spot on in the first place..better to have listened, they may need to get used to recognising those feelings...but if,for any reason at all your "gut " starts signalling' listen to it & act on it..Am not telling anyone what to do, it's up to whoever.. another time I find ppl getting themselves into a mess is their desire to be a part of a strong, happy relationship with their life's happy ever after partner. Gut feelings can be good here too but often aren't acknowledged... immediately & also we might think they get in the way of what we want so badly. This was NK mistake, she wanted the happy ever after but if she were to be honest, she'd have to admit that she always knew CW was never going to be her forever relationship. I think she was flattered W his attention & desire to be with her, but once that wore off? she'd move on from him...she wasn't ever really in to him..so! still imho It's better to be in a relationship with the right nobody than to be in a relationship with the wrong somebody..I promise! bc a relationship with the opposite sex where you know you shouldn't be with that person or you might believe that you can change that somebody is most likely going to become a mess - still imho! One last thing about gut feelings....they have always got your best interests at heart!....
I waited in my room at night for my stepfather to come in and kill me...he tried to kill my mum and I on a couple of occasions but we got away. Unfortunately my mum stayed. I was brainwshed into believing I was safe. My childhood was a horror story.
Mr. Watts seemed like a mommy's boy who was extremely passive in his marriage and went spiraling into a victim mindset , overwhelmed with bitter bitter resentment. If she had only taken the initiative and left him.....he consistently blamed her and everything around him. External locus anyone???? Add a girlfriend (& mother, parents) offering support for his victimhood and encouraging him to do something about it. I think he couldn't bring himself to be the one to leave. He couldn't have that stigma.
Exactly 💯 when it boils down to it he couldn't be seen as "the bad guy" he would be seen as the victim of a woman who was spiteful who took their kids and left. What's so crazy is he thought people would believe it.
A couple things: 1. I grew up in the most stable “traditional” home a person can grow up in…no past traumas. I was obsessed with this story of Chris Watts as well. I don’t need to connect with the story relationally as it relates to me and past traumas to have a deep interest in the story. 2. Men having dreams that they forgot they killed someone and the overwhelming feeling of stress connected to that in the dream is most likely common. I’ve heard it from many men. I disagree with off handed assessment that it is connected to some past real life situation of being found out. 3. Last and most importantly, Chris Watts is a family annihilator. Andrea Yates suffered from severe psychosis. I am actually surprised that a mental health professional would lump these two together. One is completely connected to a mental health crisis and the other not.
Thankyou for standing up for Andrea Yates! I couldn't believe that a mother could kill her 5 children due to "psychosis".When I finally saw her the day after the tragedy I knew I was looking at the sickest person I'd ever seen & she is still the sickest person I've ever seen. I'm not a tolerant person when it comes to this type of crime,I agree with the DP. The most significant fact I can give about the degree of Andreas mental health is that the 2 Attorneys that prosecuted darlie Routier all the way to death row for killing 2 of her children also were assigned to Andrea's case - & once they'd investigated & collated all the info they had regarding Andrea they withdrew charges & refused to prosecute her bc she was so sick.
PREACH ABOUT ANDREA people still refuse to even try to understand her circumstances and the chai of causation that led to this. She didn’t wake up one day and decide that this is what she’s gonna do as her big project for the day.
Shannan & Chris were a partnership for sometime, it is sooooh shocking. My heart breaks for Shannan"s family. 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 I cannot Imagine😢 New South Wales, Australia 🙏🌹🙏🌹
I think humans are fascinated with killer psychopaths because these individuals are scary and dangerous, a threat to survival and connection. I think we’ve evolved to be on the lookout for anything that could kill us. So the fascination is not that per se, but could be an expression of hyper vigilance that is hard wired into our bodies as a self protection/ self preservation mechanism. 17:24
Am not sure that we've evolved to be hypervigilant so much as we've an innate instinct to survive that's as strong now as it's ever been. One problem is that we associate murderers as monsters & we're shocked & confused when we learn that these people look & act anything but a killer. Chris Watts is a very interesting subject. Have never come across this type of person in the family annihilater category. I feel a need to understand this otherwise who is safe to trust your life to, to spend it with.?
I totally agree with what you just said! Learning about how killers think and act or how they got their behaviors in the 1st place.... Very interesting topic.... 🤔
People have told me: you should be a counselor. I would take this stuff home. No. Can't . My father was violent on the daily, these poor lambs never see that daddy gonna snap and It breaks my heart. I was conditioned to violence, they aren't. They were sold a false safety. I was grown at 4. I really feel for the kids who were snowed.
I wish you’d talk more about Chris Watts and let poor Berto get off your analyst’s couch. Sheesh. Why is it so hard to understand why people would be interested in this case? We’re humans trying to understand the human experience Outliers make us uncomfortable and we simply want to understand.
I think one of the reasons I'm fascinated by this type of stuff is because it's so alien to me. It's totally the opposite of everything I stand for and it's also fun to watch bad guys get caught, especially Chris Watts. He got absolutely schooled by the detectives and it was great 👍
One commonality i've observed in cases of family annihilation is financial problems that the perpetrator sees as preventing him from having a satisfying life.
Spot on comment @lindaschuber5459. People live way beyond their means and are too embarrassed to downsize and economise. Perhaps the folk who went through rationing in World War II could teach us modern day folk some thrift.
For me, it’s a dopamine rush. I want to understand the “why.” It’s fascinating to attempt to understand how the human mind works, & I am actually finishing up my psychiatric certification as a nurse practitioner, & there is a reason why- I have mental illness on my dad’s side of the family, & I’ve always wondered why this is so, & tried to fully wrap my mind around chemical imbalances. I’ve been completely obsessed with the Watts case, (I even went to the location, while I was in Colorado). Fun fact is the Jon Benet Ramsey house is close by- I visited that scene, the same day. You can’t get in the mind of CW, but it has been a challenge for me to try. Sociopaths & Psychopaths are so fascinating because you cannot wrap your head around it, so it’s a challenge for me. And I 100% get the intense rage we feel, wanting so badly for the story to end differently, knowing there is absolutely nothing we can do to turn back time & change it.. like what could have happened to prevent this? I know that the families that are affected wonder in their minds what they could have done differently, especially the Rusaks. I have tortured my soul with these rabbit holes, but am searching for the “why” that I can’t understand.
I know I’m late to the conversation , but… After living 7 decades, I am very familiar with domestic violence. We UNDERSTAND that a husband, wife, father, mother etc…get hysterically angry and resort to a violent solution - even with a gun (so easy to obtain) or physical homicide on the spot- basically a knee-jerk reaction. But to take HOURS and plan a family homicide, having time to THINK it out after NEVER being violent or abusive at all, is just something that’s so difficult to comprehend. I HAVE to go down the rabbit hole. It’s like I have to know MORE because I want to make some sense of it. To know what was in CWatts mind while he was driving to the oil tanks. With his daughter baby talking to him. BTW “Don’t Fu*k with cats” was the series that drew me into the true crime world. Podcasters are now in the “gratitude speeches” by DA’s, because podcasters are contributing IMMENSELY in solving crime. Maybe Umberto should have his own podcast- I’ll subscribe
This wasn’t domestic violence in my eyes. This was lust. A woman who realized her biological clock and what little looks she had were ticking. She chose him. She wanted his social media life, his house and some respectability to her sl@tty life. I’m not saying she is a mirderer, but she is a calculating home wrecker that found a weak man and drove him to kill. Watts is the sick murderer, not her, but a decent woman would never become involved. A self righteous, selfish freak like her thrived dismantling this family.
Andrea Yates had 5 children in a 7 year time span and suffered from severe postpartum psychosis. Still a very heinous act but much easier to make sense of compared to cases like Chris Watts, Susan Smith, etc
I have 3 brothers and 3 sisters. So when my father shot my mother, tried to shoot my sister but missed, looked at me and could have easily shot me, then shot himself, what category is that in?
This podcast really helped me see why this case has been so addicting to me. I have CPTSD and lived in a home where the father was always going to get the gun and kill all of us. Thanks for your discussion, it did help. I have truly been engulfed in this case for about 3 weeks now. I am also on the spectrum and research and going down rabbit holes for me is not unusual but this deep dive has no pleasurable moments. I typically will deep dive into Bee Gees or Rod Stewart but this Chris Watts thing was out of the blue. I was actually prepping to do my on podcast on pedophiles as I am a survivor of child sexual abuse as is my son and I have been fighting this one particular pedophile for 27 years. His last trial took place in November and his sentencing is coming up in March.
Omg it kills me when Dr. Honda asks Berto a question, and then Berto attempts to answer, and Dr. Honda immediately cuts him off. Berto is a good sport for any tangents Dr. H wants to go on, but Berto can barely get 2 words out without getting jumped on.
True... I do think they have a close, comfortable relationship and it's important to remember this is Dr. Honda's show rather than both of them. But still, have definitely noticed that and not thrilled by it.
Dr. Kirk is the only person where I don't mind it, because I know he's kind and empathetic, he just can't help himself sometimes. I don't think he does it to hear himself talk, at all (like another comment said).
Agree. Some people are very passionate about what they do so they talk a lot. And interrupting happens in life. When you have a close relationship, it happens a lot.
I agree with all that he was completely fixated on what people thought about him even after he had admitted to murdering shannan he cried like a mommys boy because he couldnt have his coworkers think badly of him , not because of what he did to his family. Even after he had been caught he stated the worst part of the interview was pretending he was remorseful.
Part of the reason I distanced myself from my birth family is that there was a point I thought "Is my sister going to kill me? Would her husband kill me?". This was in the middle of quarantine and she'd gone down the rabbit hole of certain conspiracy theories. I became the enemy very quickly and I started to become afraid of them. Ive since been in therapy for 3 years to discuss some of the abuse both she and I grew up with that made us who we are today. I still think about it sometimes, even in a different state, when I hear about these family murders.
Interesting.. I could see that happening. Especially if you think about it most people who commit suicide they take some majors to protect or cause less pain to their family. For example they would leave a note to explain things. They would also take majors to insure who find their body is not a child. I also heard of case where a woman committed suicide in a hotel and wrote in her note an apology to whomever will discover the body. It doesn’t happen in every case but yeah it is quite common to try take majors to alleviate some of the hurt or pain. Linking it to your own idea. It does make sense that when women are suicide they would kill their children just to “save them the pain”. Perhaps also so they do not endure life alone. Actually that is similar to an instinct in animals. Not all but it’s known that cats if they had a letter and they feel unsafe they would kill their kittens one by one. It’s an attempt from the mom to keep the children save. Unfortunately this happens especially if the mom cat was in a breading situation. Abusive and inhumane situation, they would do that. It’s not the same as a suicidal mom but it has a similarities in the purpose of those acts
Thank you so much for pushing back against the "boomer" slur. It has becomes so normalized. And, absolutely, it makes no sense to ascribe a portfolio of negative traits against a certain age groups, including those for Gen Z, Gen X, etc. I just don't get it.
I was also fascinated with psychopaths and serial killers (like Berto) as a preteen and teen. I just thought the brain is fascinating and loved to read up in psychology. My dad used to threaten my mom he'd kill me and himself if she'd leave him and take me with her. I learned about this when I was a teenager. In his second marriage he said the same thing about my half-siblings, but fortunately never did it. Today I don't find psychopaths or serial killers fascinating at all anymore .I know a lot about their psychology and love this channel because of all the knowledge and insights I get about it, but since I became a mom I can't hear or see anything about killers. Especially when family is involved. I know all about Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer and many more. I'd never watch the Netflix series about them now. I just saw Dr. Kirk re-upload this and checked the comments.
I know his mother appeared to be abusive, im wondering if she was so abusive to chris and facing divorce tjat hidden anger over his mom transfered to his wife?
This triggered me a bit. This (similar thing, not this exact “case”) happened in my small town where a man murdered his 2 kids, his estranged wife, and then killed himself. So tragic! My son was one of the kids bf. I had met all of them but didn’t know them well. Had the boy over several times for a playdate with my son. It was devastating. I contacted my uncle (who is a therapist) to talk about it and how to tell my kids what happened and to talk to them about it and process the feelings and emotions around it. 😭😭😭
There was a very strange paranormal guidance in the Chris Watts case. With the neighbors CCTV footage when the commercial comes on for American horror story and what the season was going to be about. To hearing I believe it's a very distinct children's laugh or voice that was possibly a grade A EVP in the mother's closet when the cop and the woman with the cadaver dog was in it. The cop and the cadaver dog trainer lady were very put off by that sound. And they instinctively knew something wasn't right. I'm getting goosebumps just talking about it.
I had a good childhood parents together 40 years still good relationships all around with family and my own now, and i’m obsessed with true crime documentary shows / news like this! i love diving into minds of serial k as well and have ready about Ted B and John W Gacy etc. 🤷🏻♀️
Us clinicians struggle with linear movements in conversation and can be pulled into different directions so easily if we aren’t fully mindful and consciously tracking the convo. Maybe he meant to cover it but his therapist brain got the best of him and he unconsciously deviated from the agenda and never made his way back…? My boyfriend and I do this all of the time, which thankfully he loves but I’m sure to others it can feel like torture. 🤷🏼♀️
Lust is a terrible thing. The home wrecker knew exactly what she was doing. She wanted to be the fantasy Mrs Watts. She wanted the house, children, a “respectable” life after living the fast lane. She used her looks and body (average at best) to manipulate a family man to do the unthinkable. She is a POS. Watts killed them but she lit the fuse. She chased him for 7 months before he even knew. She knew he had a family and was expecting and didn’t care. He was a conquest and she didn’t care that he was married and expecting his third child. No marriage is perfect, but Watts had a wife that was willing to out the work in, two young daughters that adored him all the way up to being strangled, a decent job and the ability to downsize, get finances in order and live a great life. He was wowed by a used Kia when he had a family of Porsches at home. If she wasn’t a sociopath she would have trouble sleeping. As it is, she is playing the victim. God Bless the murdered and their families. I think prison rule will make his 5 consecutive life sentences a short stay. As for her, good riddance. May you gain some self awareness and feel the pain you brought on this family.
Thank you! These are my thoughts also! He downgraded and murdered his beautiful family for this tramp. I will never understand how the police didn't treat her like a person of interest. She lied about almost everything!
I guess a broader question is why" do we subject ourselves to negative content or distressing emotions?" I think of how people we'll often unconscious get into abusive relationships over and over. Or stay in abusive relationships (they're many reasons) - one explanation I've heard is a desire for a corrective experience. A desire for healing. Obviously, it's irrational to expect a different outcome, but I do wonder if that is the trigger/attraction.
I was just thinking this! And maybe almost a desire to experience the opposite of a corrective experience? To experience that bad thing but on your own terms. Sort of like reading fiction that involves non consensual behaviour, but since it's on your terms, the negative experience becomes thrilling rather than scary, and no real consequences to yourself.
During 2020, I got involved in true crime rabbit holes. I was surprised how much you can find on the internet. I never liked horror movies. I hated murder tv shows so I’m not sure what this is about. I have found some good clues and turned them into the hotlines and it seems like I’m trying to solve it? I’m in my 60’s, good life but when I started watching I was in a wheelchair due to an injury. My brain was going strong but my body was still? But you brought up great points. Thank you.
When I listen to these videos vs the reactions I realize I don’t really jive with Dr Kirks style. Something happens when he’s with another person and I don’t like it lol
However much 'instinct' may be involved in infanticide, people who are not COMPLETELY insane know it's wrong so they should be judged accordingly. As for any murder
Controlled chaos, roller coasters, horror movies, etc. We know what's supposed to happen, so when it doesnt...collectively we want to control the chaos of this act.
The beggining of this podcast is somewhat aggressive, particularly the gentleman who is saying “you did not answer my question”. Quite a competitive tone there, what's the rush?
I thought the same … I was trying to imagine what kind of person he was at home behind closed doors … I wonder how patient he is with his own family ..
Listening to this podcast is incredible for an Italian. The same approach to the question leads to an immediate conclusion, which I pose in the form of a question, apologizing for the artifice: is the American scientistic approach, which aims to analyze the human soul according to scientific criteria, not itself psychopathic? Guys... the very existence of the DSM makes you shudder, because you can say everything about a pathology x but no protocol will ever explain the depression y of this Roger... American culture, which is not culture, itself generates these atrocities, because it does not have within itself the profound tools for the civil life of a community worthy of the name. It is no coincidence that in the US there is no community, only the sum of many individualities. Leave the development of matter to cultured peoples...I say this without point the scholars present here, who, as far as i know, could be excellent.
This conversation led me to a few hypothesis for why we are attracted to horror. As someone who loved horror growing up and also had issues in childhood with abandonment, I have a few ideas. Theory 1: I have also struggled with NSSI and the reason I did that is because in moments of feeling immense emotional distress that i couldn't cope with, it actually helped relax my nervous system and became the only thing that could actually calm me during intense crying fits. Similarly, I always found horror movies comforting growing up. The more I heal and age and do therapy, the less I am able to tolerate scary movies. So, I wonder if it was a similar thing when i was a kid where I was distressed by the situations happening around me and I didn't know how to handle it so I was actually using shock/horror as a mechanism for calming myself down and disconnecting from the situation. Theory 2: Its part of the process of self discovery. I remember watching horrible things and having so many questions such as how is it possible that things like this can happen to the human body, the human body is fascinating, how is it possible for others to have the capacity to do this, how would I know if I was a person who was capable of this, how do I know if people around me are capable of this? The last one especially seems to be a common question for people, Berto also mentioned it. Especially for people who are interested in psychology, this is one of the biggest questions out there and lots of it is shrouded in mystery. I think as we attempt to make sense of the world around us as we grow, its a question that fascinates some of us because its imperative for our survival, for understanding the world around us, and also for understanding who we are and what other types of people exist. Theory 3: Pretty simple explanation, but research shows high arousal emotions tend to go more viral on social media than low arousal emotions. this is basically true for any media we consume. its why people love action, gossip, horror. The brain appears to be wired to pay close attention to arousal for a variety of reasons I assume, one being that its inherent to our survival. When we withness horror from a distance, its far enough away to be striking but safe. The negative impact it has on our mental state is not immediatley apparent to most people.
Omg I just can't with this berto guy. The overly dramatic sighs and exaggerated emotionality of his speech pattern is so off-putting. I couldn't finish the video.
Signs....maybe someone who loved Metallica can be questionable. Look up lyrics, totally different persona then you are my sunshine with hus daughters. He definitely had another side. He just had it subdued until it wasnt. Btw, if one listens, likes Metallica, doesnt make them a killer, or a bad person. But its definitely a dark side and I think some people are capable of it becoming liiteral.
It's not the quiet man necessarily it's quiet man who never expresses his feelings and expects you to know exactly what he wants... that's the type you gotta be weary of.
I think the complexities of hunter gatherer societies impacted on infanticide. It was necessary because a family group couldn’t carry extra children. Add to that the spiritual belief systems that contributed to acceptance. The thinking isn’t a match for whatever occurs to us.
Just yesterday I noticed that there's a lot more familicides in the news within like couple of years, basically starting from 2020s. Or just violent crimes in general. We've known about this phenomena obviously for much longer, but seems like there's a spike going on right now. Very interesting podcast and I'm glad you brought up statistics and few reasons why this happens. My added theory is that covid has been hard on many families, when it comes to finances & relationships. Which then equals to familicides being more common. Also the 95% of perps being male is very telling, I would bet money on that toxic masculinity has a lot to do with it. Statistics show it's a man's problem, otherwise we would see closer to equal amounts of women as perps in violent crimes. I'm also worried, that the deepening inflation will show up in the statistics within the next couple of years...
Chris is not special or different. He is a text book family annihilator. A busted ego will lead to tragedy. I know all tk well. In a survivor of an almost family annihilator my dad who snapped and went on a ramoage shootout shooting multiple sawed off shot guns at the police the day he was served divorce papers (the 2nd time) in late March 2000 in a small rural southern Indiana unincorporated town. Our case wasnt in the national news because my mom refused all media interviews cause they that they would only want to talk to us kids and she didnt want us kids reliving the trauma of the day our dad snapped. My 3 siblings and our mom are alive today because our mom knew our dad would take his anger out on us kids and our mom if we were there the morning he was served divorce papers so she took us kids hours away to a different state 2 days before my dad was served saving our lives basically. They always snap kill or blow up when the man know the wife is about leave or serve them with divorce, we see it time and time again with these cases and I've personally learned in life, when a man feels like "its the end of the world" and their ego is busted, bc of the looming change they are a ticking time bomb! Thankfully my dad killed no one or severly injured no one. Amd my mom listened to the warning signs within mu dads behavior the weeka prior to his rampage, he was served divorce papers the firat time which was just a few days before the 2nd time and he called my mom at work and said "You just killed a man" and hung up but my mom knew imstantly that we couldnt be home the morning he was served divorce papersthe second time and she took us far away, but sadly, Shanann ignored all the warning signs in Chris' behavior. My dad also was a pathological liar but he had a normal relationship with his mom and dad but they were divorced. My dad grandpa uncles nephews on his side are genuinese when kt comes to motors my dad mainly worked on diesel motors but he could fix any motor. He was working on onw od the biggest motors they make, a 450 motor when he snapped. It was his nephews. He came and got it right after my dad was gone. The last hour of my dads ramage he called us kids in Kentucky and talked to all 4 of us before he surrendered to the police. Illl never forget that conversation. It was filmed by many news media helicopters in Southern Indiana and northern Kentucky. My little sister and I saw our home on the breaking news that day. It took us a minute to realize it was our home but then we saw our family dog (Littlebit) and then knew immediately and then the aerial shot panned out and we saw our entire property and all around us and all the police, EMS, Fire, it was nuts. SWAT was on their way down from Indianapolis about an hour before he surrendered. We kids just turned 10 (lil sis),11 (me),12 (old sis) and 14 (old bro). My dad was 48 when he snapped, he was much older than my mom. He was sentenced to 80 years, served only 8 years and died of congenital heart failure 2 days after I gave birth to my daughter in late 2007. He did get stabbed 10 or more times bc he tried to help his prison buddy and contracted Hep C. He would not let us visit him in prison. I always wondered why but know I know prison inmates with long sentences will use anything against another inmate, like their kids and other loved ones to get things that they want. Prison life is crazy bc anything can be turned into currency and inmates have way to much time to think/dwell and plan. They should keep prison inmates busy throughout the day like they do for juveniles in juvenile centers.
This video is not telling us about CW's psychology but is so annoying hearing your guest's emoting, at least up until the first 38 minutes. ANNOYING, so won't be back to your channel.
Why is the other guy so confrontational? And his theory on why people are interested in these cases is just so dumb, gives i'm 12 and this is deep energy, Is this guy a professional? I highly doubt.
It's weird that I'm being compelled to comment because of Kirk's boomer apologia and not bc of the topic itself but 1:10:00 Not every boomer has these qualities but the ones you're most likely to have service interactions with are terrible
I think people are fascinated with tragedies like this because they want to learn the warning signs to protect themselves - it's a self-preservation instinct
We want to understand how and why something this horrible could happen ..I feel like Watts really showed no signs that he was capable of doing this
@@yvonne2965his absolutely showed signs. Imo. His all too willingly swallow HIS wants and needs is a sign. "Nice" gets confused with "fake" too often.
My husband is "nice" very quiet and all that.
He WILL allow me and others to run him over and then BOOM
I often encourage him to GET MAD 😂
Yell, scream...break stuff! Its natural.
What's NOT natural is never showing those not so "nice" personality traits.
But we need to encourage that. Especially in our men. They are encouraged to "toughin up" or "be a man".
This HAS TO STOP
@@butameremortal9424 ..I completely agree with you .. & definitely that was not normal for him to be so overly agreeable and “perfect” all the time.. He looked like he had no idea of who he was & just based his value on pleasing others
It's not something that we, or they'll ever be able to put their finger on,no matter how educated or experienced they get bc there's nothing that stood out for anyone to see in this case as CW was a ""master at hiding in plain sight" - there was no sign that anything was "off' here. And CW behaviour post murders? usually all of them are very agitated - even the psychopaths....CW didn't miss a beat.. I've seen footage of him around 30 mins after the girls murders with him lining up in a queue to buy a breakfast burger - he was hungry & very calm & patient.. imho the best thing we can do to protect themselves ( if that's what they want) is to start listening to our "gut feelings'... maybe gut feelings are not very active in some people presently but that's probably bc they've not really listened to them or acted on them....or if they've listened to them then they'd talked themselves out of acting on them & on the surface some of them can be right " out there" irrational,odd & baseless & if they share them they get talked out of them...& then find that they were spot on in the first place..better to have listened, they may need to get used to recognising those feelings...but if,for any reason at all your "gut " starts signalling' listen to it & act on it..Am not telling anyone what to do, it's up to whoever.. another time I find ppl getting themselves into a mess is their desire to be a part of a strong, happy relationship with their life's happy ever after partner. Gut feelings can be good here too but often aren't acknowledged... immediately & also we might think they get in the way of what we want so badly. This was NK mistake, she wanted the happy ever after but if she were to be honest, she'd have to admit that she always knew CW was never going to be her forever relationship. I think she was flattered W his attention & desire to be with her, but once that wore off? she'd move on from him...she wasn't ever really in to him..so! still imho
It's better to be in a relationship with the right nobody than to be in a relationship with the wrong somebody..I promise! bc a relationship with the opposite sex where you know you shouldn't be with that person or you might believe that you can change that somebody is most likely going to become a mess - still imho!
One last thing about gut feelings....they have always got your best interests at heart!....
I waited in my room at night for my stepfather to come in and kill me...he tried to kill my mum and I on a couple of occasions but we got away. Unfortunately my mum stayed. I was brainwshed into believing I was safe. My childhood was a horror story.
Mr. Watts seemed like a mommy's boy who was extremely passive in his marriage and went spiraling into a victim mindset , overwhelmed with bitter bitter resentment. If she had only taken the initiative and left him.....he consistently blamed her and everything around him. External locus anyone????
Add a girlfriend (& mother, parents) offering support for his victimhood and encouraging him to do something about it. I think he couldn't bring himself to be the one to leave. He couldn't have that stigma.
Exactly 💯 when it boils down to it he couldn't be seen as "the bad guy" he would be seen as the victim of a woman who was spiteful who took their kids and left. What's so crazy is he thought people would believe it.
Oh he left! He left everyone dead!
I honestly believe 100% that CW hates his mother!
Yet he could be the one that took everything from her?? and to kill his little girls twice!
@@kaiazion5351 excellent comment! Spot on!!
A couple things:
1. I grew up in the most stable “traditional” home a person can grow up in…no past traumas. I was obsessed with this story of Chris Watts as well. I don’t need to connect with the story relationally as it relates to me and past traumas to have a deep interest in the story.
2. Men having dreams that they forgot they killed someone and the overwhelming feeling of stress connected to that in the dream is most likely common. I’ve heard it from many men. I disagree with off handed assessment that it is connected to some past real life situation of being found out.
3. Last and most importantly, Chris Watts is a family annihilator. Andrea Yates suffered from severe psychosis. I am actually surprised that a mental health professional would lump these two together. One is completely connected to a mental health crisis and the other not.
Thankyou for standing up for Andrea Yates! I couldn't believe that a mother could kill her 5 children due to "psychosis".When I finally saw her the day after the tragedy I knew I was looking at the sickest person I'd ever seen & she is still the sickest person I've ever seen. I'm not a tolerant person when it comes to this type of crime,I agree with the DP. The most significant fact I can give about the degree of Andreas mental health is that the 2 Attorneys that prosecuted darlie Routier all the way to death row for killing 2 of her children also were assigned to Andrea's case - & once they'd investigated & collated all the info they had regarding Andrea they withdrew charges & refused to prosecute her bc she was so sick.
PREACH ABOUT ANDREA people still refuse to even try to understand her circumstances and the chai of causation that led to this. She didn’t wake up one day and decide that this is what she’s gonna do as her big project for the day.
@@debra7699you can't be sane to murder your children..
@@debra7699 You know Andrea Yates went to trial, right?
Shannan & Chris were a partnership for sometime, it is sooooh shocking. My heart breaks for Shannan"s family. 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
I cannot Imagine😢
New South Wales, Australia 🙏🌹🙏🌹
I think humans are fascinated with killer psychopaths because these individuals are scary and dangerous, a threat to survival and connection. I think we’ve evolved to be on the lookout for anything that could kill us. So the fascination is not that per se, but could be an expression of hyper vigilance that is hard wired into our bodies as a self protection/ self preservation mechanism. 17:24
Right. It's the psychological equivalent of a self-defense class.
Am not sure that we've evolved to be hypervigilant so much as we've an innate instinct to survive that's as strong now as it's ever been. One problem is that we associate murderers as monsters & we're shocked & confused when we learn that these people look & act anything but a killer. Chris Watts is a very interesting subject. Have never come across this type of person in the family annihilater category. I feel a need to understand this otherwise who is safe to trust your life to, to spend it with.?
I totally agree with what you just said! Learning about how killers think and act or how they got their behaviors in the 1st place.... Very interesting topic.... 🤔
People have told me: you should be a counselor. I would take this stuff home. No. Can't . My father was violent on the daily, these poor lambs never see that daddy gonna snap and It breaks my heart. I was conditioned to violence, they aren't. They were sold a false safety. I was grown at 4. I really feel for the kids who were snowed.
Grown at 4? Heartbreaking!
I wish you’d talk more about Chris Watts and let poor Berto get off your analyst’s couch. Sheesh. Why is it so hard to understand why people would be interested in this case? We’re humans trying to understand the human experience Outliers make us uncomfortable and we simply want to understand.
I think one of the reasons I'm fascinated by this type of stuff is because it's so alien to me. It's totally the opposite of everything I stand for and it's also fun to watch bad guys get caught, especially Chris Watts. He got absolutely schooled by the detectives and it was great 👍
I agree with you ethanoneill..you hit it on the head, for me, at least.
One commonality i've observed in cases of family annihilation is financial problems that the perpetrator sees as preventing him from having a satisfying life.
Spot on comment @lindaschuber5459. People live way beyond their means and are too embarrassed to downsize and economise. Perhaps the folk who went through rationing in World War II could teach us modern day folk some thrift.
Also they have another woman on the side.
For me, it’s a dopamine rush. I want to understand the “why.” It’s fascinating to attempt to understand how the human mind works, & I am actually finishing up my psychiatric certification as a nurse practitioner, & there is a reason why- I have mental illness on my dad’s side of the family, & I’ve always wondered why this is so, & tried to fully wrap my mind around chemical imbalances. I’ve been completely obsessed with the Watts case, (I even went to the location, while I was in Colorado). Fun fact is the Jon Benet Ramsey house is close by- I visited that scene, the same day. You can’t get in the mind of CW, but it has been a challenge for me to try. Sociopaths & Psychopaths are so fascinating because you cannot wrap your head around it, so it’s a challenge for me. And I 100% get the intense rage we feel, wanting so badly for the story to end differently, knowing there is absolutely nothing we can do to turn back time & change it.. like what could have happened to prevent this? I know that the families that are affected wonder in their minds what they could have done differently, especially the Rusaks. I have tortured my soul with these rabbit holes, but am searching for the “why” that I can’t understand.
I’ll do some chores and happily listen to this. Thank uou for taking the time to record this. X
That’s what I am doing too 😊 definitely makes the weekend chores more enjoyable
@@wiredforfire Very much so. I love listening to sone sort of pod whilst getting on with stuff. It helps.
Red flag when you're with someone who can't communicate
Ouch. Most of us men fit that at some level…I’m working on it.
He had such a beautiful family and threw them away like garbage.......! 😢😢😢😢😢
I know I’m late to the conversation , but… After living 7 decades, I am very familiar with domestic violence. We UNDERSTAND that a husband, wife, father, mother etc…get hysterically angry and resort to a violent solution - even with a gun (so easy to obtain) or physical homicide on the spot- basically a knee-jerk reaction. But to take HOURS and plan a family homicide, having time to THINK it out after NEVER being violent or abusive at all, is just something that’s so difficult to comprehend. I HAVE to go down the rabbit hole. It’s like I have to know MORE because I want to make some sense of it. To know what was in CWatts mind while he was driving to the oil tanks. With his daughter baby talking to him. BTW “Don’t Fu*k with cats” was the series that drew me into the true crime world. Podcasters are now in the “gratitude speeches” by DA’s, because podcasters are contributing IMMENSELY in solving crime. Maybe Umberto should have his own podcast- I’ll subscribe
This wasn’t domestic violence in my eyes. This was lust. A woman who realized her biological clock and what little looks she had were ticking.
She chose him. She wanted his social media life, his house and some respectability to her sl@tty life.
I’m not saying she is a mirderer, but she is a calculating home wrecker that found a weak man and drove him to kill.
Watts is the sick murderer, not her, but a decent woman would never become involved. A self righteous, selfish freak like her thrived dismantling this family.
Have you done Alex Murdaugh? Been obsessed with that case.
Chris Watts was full of rage so he could fit into category 4 type
Love your channel love the questions..subbed
Repetition compulsion? (fascination with horror films, interest in murder stories, etc). An attempt to heal trauma
Andrea Yates had 5 children in a 7 year time span and suffered from severe postpartum psychosis. Still a very heinous act but much easier to make sense of compared to cases like Chris Watts, Susan Smith, etc
For me it is the understanding of these terribly deprived people and how theres that as a ended
I have 3 brothers and 3 sisters. So when my father shot my mother, tried to shoot my sister but missed, looked at me and could have easily shot me, then shot himself, what category is that in?
This podcast really helped me see why this case has been so addicting to me. I have CPTSD and lived in a home where the father was always going to get the gun and kill all of us. Thanks for your discussion, it did help. I have truly been engulfed in this case for about 3 weeks now. I am also on the spectrum and research and going down rabbit holes for me is not unusual but this deep dive has no pleasurable moments. I typically will deep dive into Bee Gees or Rod Stewart but this Chris Watts thing was out of the blue. I was actually prepping to do my on podcast on pedophiles as I am a survivor of child sexual abuse as is my son and I have been fighting this one particular pedophile for 27 years. His last trial took place in November and his sentencing is coming up in March.
Interest in true crime comes down to one driving motivation-KNOW YOUR ENEMY
Omg it kills me when Dr. Honda asks Berto a question, and then Berto attempts to answer, and Dr. Honda immediately cuts him off. Berto is a good sport for any tangents Dr. H wants to go on, but Berto can barely get 2 words out without getting jumped on.
Dr H LOVES hearing himself talk.
True... I do think they have a close, comfortable relationship and it's important to remember this is Dr. Honda's show rather than both of them. But still, have definitely noticed that and not thrilled by it.
Dr. Kirk is the only person where I don't mind it, because I know he's kind and empathetic, he just can't help himself sometimes. I don't think he does it to hear himself talk, at all (like another comment said).
*Rips a wet stinker in your face*
Agree. Some people are very passionate about what they do so they talk a lot. And interrupting happens in life. When you have a close relationship, it happens a lot.
Chilling, I couldn’t listen when it came out, many thanks for the analysis
I agree with all that he was completely fixated on what people thought about him even after he had admitted to murdering shannan he cried like a mommys boy because he couldnt have his coworkers think badly of him , not because of what he did to his family. Even after he had been caught he stated the worst part of the interview was pretending he was remorseful.
Part of the reason I distanced myself from my birth family is that there was a point I thought "Is my sister going to kill me? Would her husband kill me?". This was in the middle of quarantine and she'd gone down the rabbit hole of certain conspiracy theories. I became the enemy very quickly and I started to become afraid of them. Ive since been in therapy for 3 years to discuss some of the abuse both she and I grew up with that made us who we are today.
I still think about it sometimes, even in a different state, when I hear about these family murders.
And paranoid.
I've heard (women) explain feeling suicidal and feeling like they would have to also kill their children to protect them. Sad.
Interesting.. I could see that happening. Especially if you think about it most people who commit suicide they take some majors to protect or cause less pain to their family. For example they would leave a note to explain things. They would also take majors to insure who find their body is not a child. I also heard of case where a woman committed suicide in a hotel and wrote in her note an apology to whomever will discover the body. It doesn’t happen in every case but yeah it is quite common to try take majors to alleviate some of the hurt or pain.
Linking it to your own idea. It does make sense that when women are suicide they would kill their children just to “save them the pain”. Perhaps also so they do not endure life alone.
Actually that is similar to an instinct in animals. Not all but it’s known that cats if they had a letter and they feel unsafe they would kill their kittens one by one. It’s an attempt from the mom to keep the children save. Unfortunately this happens especially if the mom cat was in a breading situation. Abusive and inhumane situation, they would do that. It’s not the same as a suicidal mom but it has a similarities in the purpose of those acts
Chris’ mom said she didn’t like Shanann calling him Skater Boy. If she hated “skater boy” she must have really hated “Guilty”
Thank you so much for pushing back against the "boomer" slur. It has becomes so normalized. And, absolutely, it makes no sense to ascribe a portfolio of negative traits against a certain age groups, including those for Gen Z, Gen X, etc. I just don't get it.
This was good but hard to listen to with the envelope guy constantly interrupting when you were trying to explain something.
Beware the quiet man☠️
Still waters run deep.
I was also fascinated with psychopaths and serial killers (like Berto) as a preteen and teen. I just thought the brain is fascinating and loved to read up in psychology. My dad used to threaten my mom he'd kill me and himself if she'd leave him and take me with her. I learned about this when I was a teenager. In his second marriage he said the same thing about my half-siblings, but fortunately never did it. Today I don't find psychopaths or serial killers fascinating at all anymore .I know a lot about their psychology and love this channel because of all the knowledge and insights I get about it, but since I became a mom I can't hear or see anything about killers. Especially when family is involved. I know all about Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer and many more. I'd never watch the Netflix series about them now. I just saw Dr. Kirk re-upload this and checked the comments.
I know his mother appeared to be abusive, im wondering if she was so abusive to chris and facing divorce tjat hidden anger over his mom transfered to his wife?
This triggered me a bit. This (similar thing, not this exact “case”) happened in my small town where a man murdered his 2 kids, his estranged wife, and then killed himself. So tragic! My son was one of the kids bf. I had met all of them but didn’t know them well. Had the boy over several times for a playdate with my son.
It was devastating. I contacted my uncle (who is a therapist) to talk about it and how to tell my kids what happened and to talk to them about it and process the feelings and emotions around it. 😭😭😭
There was a very strange paranormal guidance in the Chris Watts case. With the neighbors CCTV footage when the commercial comes on for American horror story and what the season was going to be about. To hearing I believe it's a very distinct children's laugh or voice that was possibly a grade A EVP in the mother's closet when the cop and the woman with the cadaver dog was in it. The cop and the cadaver dog trainer lady were very put off by that sound. And they instinctively knew something wasn't right. I'm getting goosebumps just talking about it.
That laugh came from a doll in the closet. The canine handler and officer saw it on the floor.
Yeah, that commercial for American Horror story is truly something else! Gives me goosebumps every time.
So enjoyed this podcast. My trauma is that I am afraid of men and to hear your empathy makes me feel that some men are safe
I had a good childhood parents together 40 years still good relationships all around with family and my own now, and i’m obsessed with true crime documentary shows / news like this! i love diving into minds of serial k as well and have ready about Ted B and John W Gacy etc. 🤷🏻♀️
There is nothing about Chris Watts here....why lie?
Us clinicians struggle with linear movements in conversation and can be pulled into different directions so easily if we aren’t fully mindful and consciously tracking the convo. Maybe he meant to cover it but his therapist brain got the best of him and he unconsciously deviated from the agenda and never made his way back…? My boyfriend and I do this all of the time, which thankfully he loves but I’m sure to others it can feel like torture. 🤷🏼♀️
Aka clickbait
Lust is a terrible thing. The home wrecker knew exactly what she was doing. She wanted to be the fantasy Mrs Watts. She wanted the house, children, a “respectable” life after living the fast lane.
She used her looks and body (average at best) to manipulate a family man to do the unthinkable.
She is a POS. Watts killed them but she lit the fuse. She chased him for 7 months before he even knew. She knew he had a family and was expecting and didn’t care. He was a conquest and she didn’t care that he was married and expecting his third child.
No marriage is perfect, but Watts had a wife that was willing to out the work in, two young daughters that adored him all the way up to being strangled, a decent job and the ability to downsize, get finances in order and live a great life.
He was wowed by a used Kia when he had a family of Porsches at home. If she wasn’t a sociopath she would have trouble sleeping. As it is, she is playing the victim.
God Bless the murdered and their families. I think prison rule will make his 5 consecutive life sentences a short stay.
As for her, good riddance. May you gain some self awareness and feel the pain you brought on this family.
Thank you! These are my thoughts also! He downgraded and murdered his beautiful family for this tramp. I will never understand how the police didn't treat her like a person of interest. She lied about almost everything!
I guess a broader question is why" do we subject ourselves to negative content or distressing emotions?"
I think of how people we'll often unconscious get into abusive relationships over and over. Or stay in abusive relationships (they're many reasons) - one explanation I've heard is a desire for a corrective experience. A desire for healing. Obviously, it's irrational to expect a different outcome, but I do wonder if that is the trigger/attraction.
I was just thinking this! And maybe almost a desire to experience the opposite of a corrective experience?
To experience that bad thing but on your own terms. Sort of like reading fiction that involves non consensual behaviour, but since it's on your terms, the negative experience becomes thrilling rather than scary, and no real consequences to yourself.
Did you hear about the Dad who killed his entire family in Enoch Utah this past week? I live somewhat near. So so sad.
Even worse, there were THREE this weekend, including the Utah Case. Three fathers took twelve lives from this planet bc of pending divorces.
@@thorazinedreams381 the guy in Utah took 8 lives. Who were the other two fathers?
Were single women looking to climb the social ladder involved?
During 2020, I got involved in true crime rabbit holes. I was surprised how much you can find on the internet. I never liked horror movies. I hated murder tv shows so I’m not sure what this is about. I have found some good clues and turned them into the hotlines and it seems like I’m trying to solve it? I’m in my 60’s, good life but when I started watching I was in a wheelchair due to an injury. My brain was going strong but my body was still? But you brought up great points. Thank you.
That woman andrea who murdered all herchildren . I dont care whether she was mentally unstable or whatever i would still have held her accountable.
I was wondering how this audio video could be two hours long, and now I know. You two needlessly talk about so much extraneous, stupid things.
When I listen to these videos vs the reactions I realize I don’t really jive with Dr Kirks style. Something happens when he’s with another person and I don’t like it lol
However much 'instinct' may be involved in infanticide, people who are not COMPLETELY insane know it's wrong so they should be judged accordingly. As for any murder
Controlled chaos, roller coasters, horror movies, etc. We know what's supposed to happen, so when it doesnt...collectively we want to control the chaos of this act.
The beggining of this podcast is somewhat aggressive, particularly the gentleman who is saying “you did not answer my question”. Quite a competitive tone there, what's the rush?
I thought the same … I was trying to imagine what kind of person he was at home behind closed doors … I wonder how patient he is with his own family ..
Listening to this podcast is incredible for an Italian. The same approach to the question leads to an immediate conclusion, which I pose in the form of a question, apologizing for the artifice: is the American scientistic approach, which aims to analyze the human soul according to scientific criteria, not itself psychopathic? Guys... the very existence of the DSM makes you shudder, because you can say everything about a pathology x but no protocol will ever explain the depression y of this Roger... American culture, which is not culture, itself generates these atrocities, because it does not have within itself the profound tools for the civil life of a community worthy of the name. It is no coincidence that in the US there is no community, only the sum of many individualities. Leave the development of matter to cultured peoples...I say this without point the scholars present here, who, as far as i know, could be excellent.
This conversation led me to a few hypothesis for why we are attracted to horror. As someone who loved horror growing up and also had issues in childhood with abandonment, I have a few ideas.
Theory 1: I have also struggled with NSSI and the reason I did that is because in moments of feeling immense emotional distress that i couldn't cope with, it actually helped relax my nervous system and became the only thing that could actually calm me during intense crying fits. Similarly, I always found horror movies comforting growing up. The more I heal and age and do therapy, the less I am able to tolerate scary movies. So, I wonder if it was a similar thing when i was a kid where I was distressed by the situations happening around me and I didn't know how to handle it so I was actually using shock/horror as a mechanism for calming myself down and disconnecting from the situation.
Theory 2: Its part of the process of self discovery. I remember watching horrible things and having so many questions such as how is it possible that things like this can happen to the human body, the human body is fascinating, how is it possible for others to have the capacity to do this, how would I know if I was a person who was capable of this, how do I know if people around me are capable of this? The last one especially seems to be a common question for people, Berto also mentioned it. Especially for people who are interested in psychology, this is one of the biggest questions out there and lots of it is shrouded in mystery. I think as we attempt to make sense of the world around us as we grow, its a question that fascinates some of us because its imperative for our survival, for understanding the world around us, and also for understanding who we are and what other types of people exist.
Theory 3: Pretty simple explanation, but research shows high arousal emotions tend to go more viral on social media than low arousal emotions. this is basically true for any media we consume. its why people love action, gossip, horror. The brain appears to be wired to pay close attention to arousal for a variety of reasons I assume, one being that its inherent to our survival. When we withness horror from a distance, its far enough away to be striking but safe. The negative impact it has on our mental state is not immediatley apparent to most people.
Omg I just can't with this berto guy. The overly dramatic sighs and exaggerated emotionality of his speech pattern is so off-putting. I couldn't finish the video.
Seems like Christopher didn’t go through the rebellion stage in his teens.
K vs K really freaked me out, too. They separated when I was two. Mummy dearest badmouthed father ever afterward. Rarely heard from or saw father.
The Lighthouse movie 😂 I’m still stuck.
Chris was the Puppet Master playing a puppet.
I just pulled up long, long long……… what a lovely song.
“Idiots can be of any age” 😂classically true
Great background noise 👍🏻
Hard to listen to when you ask a person a question its good to listen to their answer one over talking of the other makes it very hard to listen to...
A little before your time, check out John List also a interesting case of annihilating your family
We’re fascinated because … who does that 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
1:47:30 is this the main cause of SIDS? I found this statistic shocking
How did he think this would pan out?
Signs....maybe someone who loved Metallica can be questionable. Look up lyrics, totally different persona then you are my sunshine with hus daughters. He definitely had another side. He just had it subdued until it wasnt. Btw, if one listens, likes Metallica, doesnt make them a killer, or a bad person. But its definitely a dark side and I think some people are capable of it becoming liiteral.
It's not the quiet man necessarily it's quiet man who never expresses his feelings and expects you to know exactly what he wants... that's the type you gotta be weary of.
I think the complexities of hunter gatherer societies impacted on infanticide. It was necessary because a family group couldn’t carry extra children. Add to that the spiritual belief systems that contributed to acceptance. The thinking isn’t a match for whatever occurs to us.
Some women in India have also been known to kill their child if it's not a male. I don't know that percentage but I do know that it has occurred.
Well the way he looked at her sometimes so evil
Because when the camera was off she was a tyrant …
Just yesterday I noticed that there's a lot more familicides in the news within like couple of years, basically starting from 2020s. Or just violent crimes in general. We've known about this phenomena obviously for much longer, but seems like there's a spike going on right now. Very interesting podcast and I'm glad you brought up statistics and few reasons why this happens.
My added theory is that covid has been hard on many families, when it comes to finances & relationships. Which then equals to familicides being more common. Also the 95% of perps being male is very telling, I would bet money on that toxic masculinity has a lot to do with it. Statistics show it's a man's problem, otherwise we would see closer to equal amounts of women as perps in violent crimes.
I'm also worried, that the deepening inflation will show up in the statistics within the next couple of years...
Yeah , these kind of Crimes are on the rise this year, it’s crazy & unfortunate.. mass shootings too , scary time to be alive in the US
Yes while the story of Adam is very telling. Women have a problem. With demons particularly.
Loooove love love dr Honda drilling down that psychopaths aren’t sexy genius!!! Media myth pet peeve
Chris is not special or different. He is a text book family annihilator. A busted ego will lead to tragedy. I know all tk well. In a survivor of an almost family annihilator my dad who snapped and went on a ramoage shootout shooting multiple sawed off shot guns at the police the day he was served divorce papers (the 2nd time) in late March 2000 in a small rural southern Indiana unincorporated town.
Our case wasnt in the national news because my mom refused all media interviews cause they that they would only want to talk to us kids and she didnt want us kids reliving the trauma of the day our dad snapped.
My 3 siblings and our mom are alive today because our mom knew our dad would take his anger out on us kids and our mom if we were there the morning he was served divorce papers so she took us kids hours away to a different state 2 days before my dad was served saving our lives basically.
They always snap kill or blow up when the man know the wife is about leave or serve them with divorce, we see it time and time again with these cases and I've personally learned in life, when a man feels like "its the end of the world" and their ego is busted, bc of the looming change they are a ticking time bomb! Thankfully my dad killed no one or severly injured no one. Amd my mom listened to the warning signs within mu dads behavior the weeka prior to his rampage, he was served divorce papers the firat time which was just a few days before the 2nd time and he called my mom at work and said "You just killed a man" and hung up but my mom knew imstantly that we couldnt be home the morning he was served divorce papersthe second time and she took us far away, but sadly, Shanann ignored all the warning signs in Chris' behavior. My dad also was a pathological liar but he had a normal relationship with his mom and dad but they were divorced. My dad grandpa uncles nephews on his side are genuinese when kt comes to motors my dad mainly worked on diesel motors but he could fix any motor. He was working on onw od the biggest motors they make, a 450 motor when he snapped. It was his nephews. He came and got it right after my dad was gone. The last hour of my dads ramage he called us kids in Kentucky and talked to all 4 of us before he surrendered to the police. Illl never forget that conversation. It was filmed by many news media helicopters in Southern Indiana and northern Kentucky. My little sister and I saw our home on the breaking news that day.
It took us a minute to realize it was our home but then we saw our family dog (Littlebit) and then knew immediately and then the aerial shot panned out and we saw our entire property and all around us and all the police, EMS, Fire, it was nuts. SWAT was on their way down from Indianapolis about an hour before he surrendered.
We kids just turned 10 (lil sis),11 (me),12 (old sis) and 14 (old bro). My dad was 48 when he snapped, he was much older than my mom. He was sentenced to 80 years, served only 8 years and died of congenital heart failure 2 days after I gave birth to my daughter in late 2007. He did get stabbed 10 or more times bc he tried to help his prison buddy and contracted Hep C. He would not let us visit him in prison. I always wondered why but know I know prison inmates with long sentences will use anything against another inmate, like their kids and other loved ones to get things that they want. Prison life is crazy bc anything can be turned into currency and inmates have way to much time to think/dwell and plan. They should keep prison inmates busy throughout the day like they do for juveniles in juvenile centers.
You say people should be careful letting this topic get into their brain....and then proceed to talk about it for two hours?
This video is not telling us about CW's psychology but is so annoying hearing your guest's emoting, at least up until the first 38 minutes. ANNOYING, so won't be back to your channel.
Why is the other guy so confrontational? And his theory on why people are interested in these cases is just so dumb, gives i'm 12 and this is deep energy, Is this guy a professional? I highly doubt.
Im 19 min in and you still havent talked about the subject 🥴
Obviously people care about these cases is because people like hit steamy gossip… you guys are smart enough to know this lol
#@Zowoki❤
Steph at New South Wales, Australia
Fantasy
Beto too dramatic! Bye
Boomers are objectively the worst customers though. Sorry, doc.
It's weird that I'm being compelled to comment because of Kirk's boomer apologia and not bc of the topic itself but
1:10:00
Not every boomer has these qualities but the ones you're most likely to have service interactions with are terrible
Evil man
Boring
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Great shows least until you started talking about the Beatles blah blah blah
Not good
This was boring
Zzzzzz
What a lame podcast, sooo boring
The other guy is so annoying....
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