Wow, this is one of the most intense episodes ever. Glenn at his most passionate and eloquent, with that preacher cadence in his voice, is a force of nature.
@G Sterling Not only that, but to say that the US was founded to "preserve slavery" when the practice was dying out is nonsense. Just insane. Nothing has been so critically panned by historians and yet it still won.
@@wendellspivey3747 That was part of the 1619 project. While yes America retained slavery the Founding Fathers tried hard to end it before we became a nation. Hence why Washington freed his and advocated against it. but in order to maintain the Union at the time they had to agree to something. Hence the 3/5s vote while retaining slavery.
How insane. How do we get past this stage of life? When an admitted lie, complete hypothetical fiction is released as Journalism and its awarded what prior to 2018 was considered the most prestigious award in the game... how far are we falling? Depressing.
@@oldsalt8011 I think it's more to do with freedom to have individual thoughts different from the group's expectations that people are labeled disparagingly, than it is about being a conservative. For instance, I don't think either of these two professors would self identify as conservative, especially John. But they both think independently.
yeah.. Someone should recommend Joe Rogen to take them to his podcast. I'm sure he would if he just knew. Let's not forget that MSM and academia and a bunch of institutions do their best to ignore and pretend these guys are invisible. We should really get them to Rogen!
I personally doubt that Rogan wants anything to do with this conversation. A. He's a bit more woke than he seems and B. he's already thought of as "alt right adjacent ", whatever the fuck that means. He would look, to some, like the white guy who gets a black guy to say the racist stuff for him. He might like to avoid all of that. I don't think any of this is racist, I'm just talking about perception and the woke media mob.
@@shamsam4 Sad. But don't you think the "internet crowd" could handle it. Not everybody, but many certainly would. Besides Joe doesn't need to say much. Preferably nothing, if Glenn and/or John came on.
@@shamsam4 Joe isn't woke. Joe holds fewer beliefs than most people assume, he's highly agreeable, and he's willing to be circumspect or even to temporarily endorse views if doing so may benefit whatever conversation he's having at the time. This is what makes him a great interviewer, but it has the result that he's only firm and consistent on a relatively small set of issues, usually those that relate most strongly to his core interests. My hunch is that Joe's primary limitations are (1) avoiding guests or topics so salacious they would push away more mainstream and higher profile guests and (2) avoiding guests or topics so salacious they could threaten his viability on TH-cam. (These limitations do not apply to John or Glenn; I think they haven't yet been invited on the show because (a) they're not visible to Joe, (b) no one's made a strong pitch on their behalf, (c) Joe invites few academics, (d) Joe rarely discusses race as the primary focus of an interview).
Sam Williamson - could be. I’m not sure hi rogan would feel about it, but he’s had Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Ben Shapiro... I think they’re worse offenders than Glenn or John.
Gentlemen, I don't know if you read these comments or if they're really just for "us", but don't despair, tempting as that is. You are fountains of refreshment, beacons of penetrating honesty. I love the heartbreaking passion you can't restrain, Glenn. Your grasp of the greater impact of spoken words is of vital significance, John. As for your books, God willing, there will always be readers, and the written word stands the testimony of time for the elucidation of not only one's contemporaries but for those who follow. Stand fast.
Non college educated, 23 from Canada. Heard Glenn on Sam Harris’ show. Johns name came up in Thomas sowells Discrimination and disparities. I remembered you guys have a show and have appreciated your perspectives! Thanks!
There's no reason to feel defeated when you've won the hearts and minds of so many. Public sentiments are fickle, but I hope you both continue to rise in the acknowledgment you and your work deserve.
I like that comment “Don’t teach children that their future is not theirs to control”. Strikes at the very heart of identity politics and all of the bad ideas that come with it.
Kip Wonder... All politics are a type of “identity” politics, sounds like semantics okay. Death and destruction is the end result when people play the constant victim/villain game. People function much better when the individual understand their rights and responsibilities in a free society.
@@kipwonder2233 Well, I'm as American as anyone else, and I don't fit into the five points you categorize as "Americanism". That may be YOUR view of what Americanism is, and that's fine, but it's not mine, and that's fine too. And THAT is Americanism, and one of the key things that differentiates this country from many others -- we can both be Americans whether or not we have anything else in common, and whether or not we even agree on what it means to be American.🤷🏾♀️ Edit: Oh -- and I don't think the American Revolution was fought to preserve slavery either, I believe it was fought to give the very freedom that allows Americans to disagree but still comprise one country. It wasn't a perfect country in 1776 and it isn't even now, but it tends to trend towards becoming better.
Great show guys. I did recognize the frustration and hardship your forced to deal with. Condolences for having to feel like outcast when demonstrating the character of honorable and educated men.
I'm with you! I love this country. I want all to succeed. But, what's happening now is only leading to the country being torn apart and the result will 'not' be better!!! Brings me to tears!!!
I have just started listening to these two individuals having brilliant conversations. I'm thoroughly engrossed. I only wish their platform was larger. Truly deep thinkers!
Preach Glen!🙌🏼🙌🏼 I am so glad I found your show. You and John are speaking truth to power. But the underlining agenda is to use the ignorant and the uneducated among us to foster in this Marxist society. But there is hope because my nonprofit as well as others are looking for the diamonds in the rough to provide vocational training opportunities to at-risk youth. God help us all!😇🙏🏽
I'm with you my uncles. Lots of Americans out here still trying to pursue a more perfect union. Thank you for the hard work and great honest conversations you put out to help making that pursuit a little more clear. You're absolutely right...longform conversations and podcast are one of the best tools to educate, encourage,empower. Thank God we have you guys out here!
I have watched/read an incredible amount of conversation, opinion, writing etc. from all kind sources but I have to say these two gentlemen are on a whole other level intellectually.
I hope you keep these going. Your work and perspective are so important to some of us looking for voices like ours. Truth transcends race. Thank you giving us these intellectual IV’s.
I'm glad you two gentlemen are making the points that you're making and keeping the American race discussion honest. As a white man, I don't feel that I'm welcome to have an opinion on racial issues in America unless that opinion is self-flagellation. I don't believe democracy can work when people turn their backs on the truth in favor of a narrative, and when people who disagree with that narrative are dismissed from the table instead of being allowed a voice. Regardless of where your opinions land, we can't have a well-functioning society without being honest with ourselves and each other.
Fantastic focus of morality and self worth as critical to the issue here, as opposed to staying on the political level. Bravo gentlemen, you're on the right path.
Glenn and John are 2 smart guys talking passionately and sincerely about the 1619 Project. They are not trying to signal tribal allegiance or score points. I would love to see them on MSNBC talking about this.
The ironic thing is that once they're on MSNBC or FOX or any talking heads channel, it's going to be used to serve political and tribal ends. Maybe just a TH-cam/podcast platform is the best place to talk about this.
uxnosidda The talking head echo chamberists on MSNBC couldn't handle McWhorter's independent-minded intelligence. I saw him on Joy Reid's show once, and similar to what you said, she responded not to what he actually said, but what she wanted him to say. The other guest was looking at John as if to say, "Brother, you dont know how this game is played!"
uxnosidda I disagree. They are too smart and strong willed to fall for that. Fox is obviously a joke, but many, unfortunately take MSNBC seriously. Independent voices like Loury and McWhorter would shake up their echo chamber and perhaps cause a few acolytes to question their dogma.
Michelle Graham I agree, but MSNBC needs more independent voices to challenge their echo chamber narrative. No hyperbole, I honestly dont think Joy, Chris or Lawrence could handle Glenn or John.
Glenn made reference to 'how are we going to get beyond 'race' when they call themselves the 2 black guys, not guys, not University profs, etc. at Bloggingheads
Superb talk. Love the passion and vulnerability. You two are thoroughly important voices with these sorts of conversations and I admire the courage of the two of you. Keep up the good work, the tide is starting to turn and you will both be on the right side of history when it's all said and done.
I am shocked by the courage of these two men and their willingness to argue their Truth to the political avalanche of nonsense they and we confront. I have known of them and been exposed to their logic but they truly are through omission by the media not allowed to be heard as a wide as their scholarship deserves. Poor us. I will promote to as many as I can these series of conversations. Their passion is not of hate for their community but from love of it. I hope more will listen. They are a gift to be appreciated.
Thank you both for your courage and humility before this grave but deeply rooted crisis (wrong word perhaps) in this country. As it happens, I recall the City of Detroit as boy, a young adult, and a man. It is heartbreaking and the last thing the people of Detroit needed or wanted, was the aftermath of yet another cruel and political prestidigitation. Again, thank you.
I'm a liberal in Atlanta and I appreciate these men and their thoughtful discussions. I agree with a lot. I also disagree. And sometimes things are said that lead me to think and not decide at that moment, which is what we need in our society. We need to think and not just react. We need to hear folks like them. Fox News is propaganda. And liberals won't speak the truth sometimes because of the combination of white guilt and paternalism. I'll keep listening. Thanks.
Mateo ‘Based’ is the opposite of ‘Woke’ - think about the figures of Plato and Aristotle in Raphael’s “School of Athens” “Based” empirical, data-driven, common-sense, conservative. “Woke” is more heady, narrative-driven, it reflects initiation into a higher state of consciousness (every one is ‘asleep’ or down in Plato’s cave), so it’s hostile to common-sense and less accountable to data. The issue of policing and race is one of the clearest examples of the woke/based divide. It’s “based” to say that more blacks are in prison because they commit more crimes, and “Woke” to say they commit more crimes because they are over-policed. Even is the truth is somewhere in the middle John and Glenn find it closer to the “based” side. The term “based black guy” expresses the kind of patronizing enthusiasm that conservatives express when a black guy has a conservative take, or lends support to a conservative cause.
Guys, I've watched at least 8 of your videos. We need to cut clips og this for easy sharing! would that be ok for me to do it? Would you guys like help with that?
I could not agree more with Glenn in feeling an urgency and despair. Whatever you guys can do to push back more on these “woke” ideologies really matters. The “everything is either racist or anti racists” message is moving forward at an alarming rate without resistance. Get Kemele, Coleman, TCW, and others, and PLEASE do more if you can. You all are brilliant and renew my faith in truth and reason. I have been listening to you two since Evergreen and adore you both! The Fifth Column episode with you both and the guys mentioned above, was one of the most positive and fascinating podcasts I have ever heard.
I really appreciate the conversations of Glen and John. Glen has a great comic delivery. PS Cornel is as well a critic of the Tanahesi school of "anti-rscism." But from an analysis that considers class.
Smart and passionate about the roles of class, race, economics...complex problems with no easy solutions. Speaking genuinely, thoughtfully, and with courtesy, even when they disagree.
Glenn, you speak a lot of truth. You have the gift of clarity of thought and being able to communicate those thoughts. I wish you start speaking to college campuses after the Covid crisis. You’re correct that to reach young people it has to be in a verbal context versus written. It would be fun to see you debate some of the white liberals on CNN, etc. Keep up your good work! Thanks
I am new to your blog and I am enjoying catching up on your shows. After listening for about 30mins I realized I needed to do a quick check on Nikole Hannah Jones to get myself up to speed. It took only a few minutes listening to her to understand her perspective. I knew when I saw and listened to her that her mother was white and her father was black. She approached this venture as an angry/bitter (her words on the Daily Show) black (biracial) woman. In my opinion she used this work as an outlet to express her resentment towards her caucasian relatives who did not accept her and her sisters. Black women don't discount the hard work and passion we have put into our families. We would NEVER use slavery as an excuse for our families shortcomings EVER! Its disrespectful to our ancestors. You guys may sometimes need to get the perspective of a woman when analyzing the work of women.
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Wow, this is one of the most intense episodes ever. Glenn at his most passionate and eloquent, with that preacher cadence in his voice, is a force of nature.
Love it.
Agreed. New to Lowry but this was jaw dropping
As soon as I saw that the 1619 project was awarded a Pulitizer Prize, I immediately couldn't wait for Glenn & John's take on this!
@G Sterling Not only that, but to say that the US was founded to "preserve slavery" when the practice was dying out is nonsense. Just insane. Nothing has been so critically panned by historians and yet it still won.
@G Sterling Please explain.
@@Dr.Frankensteen No one, i think, said that the US was founded to "preserve slavery". However; slavery was a part of the founding of America.
@@wendellspivey3747 That was part of the 1619 project. While yes America retained slavery the Founding Fathers tried hard to end it before we became a nation. Hence why Washington freed his and advocated against it. but in order to maintain the Union at the time they had to agree to something. Hence the 3/5s vote while retaining slavery.
How insane. How do we get past this stage of life? When an admitted lie, complete hypothetical fiction is released as Journalism and its awarded what prior to 2018 was considered the most prestigious award in the game... how far are we falling? Depressing.
I'm somebody and I listen, with gratitude and interest. I'm learning more and more.
Same here
Me too. I respect the black Conservatives and I'll never be able to understand why they are often called Uncle Toms.
@@oldsalt8011 I think it's more to do with freedom to have individual thoughts different from the group's expectations that people are labeled disparagingly, than it is about being a conservative.
For instance, I don't think either of these two professors would self identify as conservative, especially John. But they both think independently.
@@PaulKruskamp good points.
@@PaulKruskamp I believe Glenn identifies as a Neoconservative.
I wish you guys could go on Rogan, either together or separate.
ric vegas That is where he really shines. You really get an idea of how smart he is when he talks about linguistics.
@@estebannemo1957 Ha! He IS a linguist, after all...
These guys are too smart for Rogan... I like Rogan but he’d get lost really quickly I think. It would be interesting though!
yeah.. Someone should recommend Joe Rogen to take them to his podcast. I'm sure he would if he just knew. Let's not forget that MSM and academia and a bunch of institutions do their best to ignore and pretend these guys are invisible. We should really get them to Rogen!
I agree. Coleman Hughes would be great on there too, debate style, with someone like Killer Mike.
Yay! It’s Glen and John. The “smart guys” at blogging heads.
I like that!
Yes, not everyone can learn to code. But more can learn skills that can earn them a better living.
I think a lot of people will pick fruit or mow lawns if it pays well enough.
Many Rivers To Cross. Was very accurate. Henry Louis Gates Jr.
Yeah, Glenn and John would be well-received on the Joe Rogan.
I wonder if John would...Gleen for sure.
I personally doubt that Rogan wants anything to do with this conversation. A. He's a bit more woke than he seems and B. he's already thought of as "alt right adjacent ", whatever the fuck that means. He would look, to some, like the white guy who gets a black guy to say the racist stuff for him. He might like to avoid all of that.
I don't think any of this is racist, I'm just talking about perception and the woke media mob.
@@shamsam4 Sad. But don't you think the "internet crowd" could handle it. Not everybody, but many certainly would. Besides Joe doesn't need to say much. Preferably nothing, if Glenn and/or John came on.
@@shamsam4 Joe isn't woke. Joe holds fewer beliefs than most people assume, he's highly agreeable, and he's willing to be circumspect or even to temporarily endorse views if doing so may benefit whatever conversation he's having at the time. This is what makes him a great interviewer, but it has the result that he's only firm and consistent on a relatively small set of issues, usually those that relate most strongly to his core interests. My hunch is that Joe's primary limitations are (1) avoiding guests or topics so salacious they would push away more mainstream and higher profile guests and (2) avoiding guests or topics so salacious they could threaten his viability on TH-cam. (These limitations do not apply to John or Glenn; I think they haven't yet been invited on the show because (a) they're not visible to Joe, (b) no one's made a strong pitch on their behalf, (c) Joe invites few academics, (d) Joe rarely discusses race as the primary focus of an interview).
Sam Williamson - could be. I’m not sure hi rogan would feel about it, but he’s had Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Ben Shapiro... I think they’re worse offenders than Glenn or John.
Truth has no shelf life. Keep doing what you’re doing.
True, until they burn the books and digital sources which tells the truth.
"You're not going to stop them with truth, you've got to confront their ideology head on."
I love these guys.
Gentlemen, I don't know if you read these comments or if they're really just for "us", but don't despair, tempting as that is. You are fountains of refreshment, beacons of penetrating honesty. I love the heartbreaking passion you can't restrain, Glenn. Your grasp of the greater impact of spoken words is of vital significance, John. As for your books, God willing, there will always be readers, and the written word stands the testimony of time for the elucidation of not only one's contemporaries but for those who follow. Stand fast.
Beautifully said.
"this is not about the truth" ...ugh, so true about many topics of discourse
Non college educated, 23 from Canada. Heard Glenn on Sam Harris’ show.
Johns name came up in Thomas sowells Discrimination and disparities.
I remembered you guys have a show and have appreciated your perspectives!
Thanks!
There's no reason to feel defeated when you've won the hearts and minds of so many. Public sentiments are fickle, but I hope you both continue to rise in the acknowledgment you and your work deserve.
Glenn, you almost have me in tears, brother. That passion is what makes the world worth living in.
Someone please give these guys a prime time cable show.
I like that comment “Don’t teach children that their future is not theirs to control”. Strikes at the very heart of identity politics and all of the bad ideas that come with it.
Kip Wonder... All politics are a type of “identity” politics, sounds like semantics okay. Death and destruction is the end result when people play the constant victim/villain game. People function much better when the individual understand their rights and responsibilities in a free society.
@@kipwonder2233 Well, I'm as American as anyone else, and I don't fit into the five points you categorize as "Americanism". That may be YOUR view of what Americanism is, and that's fine, but it's not mine, and that's fine too.
And THAT is Americanism, and one of the key things that differentiates this country from many others -- we can both be Americans whether or not we have anything else in common, and whether or not we even agree on what it means to be American.🤷🏾♀️
Edit: Oh -- and I don't think the American Revolution was fought to preserve slavery either, I believe it was fought to give the very freedom that allows Americans to disagree but still comprise one country. It wasn't a perfect country in 1776 and it isn't even now, but it tends to trend towards becoming better.
Great show guys. I did recognize the frustration and hardship your forced to deal with. Condolences for having to feel like outcast when demonstrating the character of honorable and educated men.
An excellent civil discourse. So appreciative of Glen including the Irish and others.
You guys are hilarious sometimes. Glenn blowing a gasket and then John carefully reassembling the carburator with his calm voice.
Glen .....please you are making me cry! I understand your frustration.
I'm with you! I love this country. I want all to succeed. But, what's happening now is only leading to the country being torn apart and the result will 'not' be better!!! Brings me to tears!!!
Damn, I love you guys; you inspire me. Thank you.
We give a damn, Glenn. We are listening.
Get these men on Joe Rogan
Wow, Glenn. You're amazing.
That intro by Glenn was beautiful. I love the way he describes his views.
I have just started listening to these two individuals having brilliant conversations. I'm thoroughly engrossed. I only wish their platform was larger. Truly deep thinkers!
Always stoked to see new content from you guys
"That is the position of weakness, supplication!"
"Exactly."
Goosebumps.
You guys speak truth to tribal thinking which is truly remarkable and courageous. Such honesty is a rare commodity please continue.
Thank you both. This is the sort of honest conversation we badly need (on many issues) in this country.
I fucking love you guys. Always smart and fair and fearless commentary. Don’t stop. 👍🧢💪
Preach Glen!🙌🏼🙌🏼 I am so glad I found your show. You and John are speaking truth to power. But the underlining agenda is to use the ignorant and the uneducated among us to foster in this Marxist society. But there is hope because my nonprofit as well as others are looking for the diamonds in the rough to provide vocational training opportunities to at-risk youth. God help us all!😇🙏🏽
Its a privilege to listen to Professors.
I'm with you my uncles. Lots of Americans out here still trying to pursue a more perfect union. Thank you for the hard work and great honest conversations you put out to help making that pursuit a little more clear. You're absolutely right...longform conversations and podcast are one of the best tools to educate, encourage,empower. Thank God we have you guys out here!
@ not even... I mean respected elder family members!
Thank you gentlemen.
You gentlemen are refreshing and I am hopeful after listening to you both. God bless
These two are on fire!
“The truth is necessary but not sufficient”....damn, that’s a scary thought. What can we do?
I have watched/read an incredible amount of conversation, opinion, writing etc. from all kind sources but I have to say these two gentlemen are on a whole other level intellectually.
As usual, Glenn Loury and John McWhorter make the most convincing and articulate arguments.
You guys are heroes, keep fighting for the truth!
So much respect for you both! I’m not in the position to change it, but I am listening.
Thank you. I am retired from Howard, and would have used this in my class room.
If the university allowed it, that is
@@SeekTheLordJesusChrist7 But the university was never in the way.
As always, a breath of fresh air with these two powerhouses
I hope you keep these going. Your work and perspective are so important to some of us looking for voices like ours. Truth transcends race. Thank you giving us these intellectual IV’s.
I'm listening. You are a breath of fresh air, gentlemen. Rage, rage against the dying of the light of sensible, cogent, Reason.
Where were you two during my CPS educational upbringing? Well, better late than never. Much respect to you both. Thank you.
I'm glad you two gentlemen are making the points that you're making and keeping the American race discussion honest. As a white man, I don't feel that I'm welcome to have an opinion on racial issues in America unless that opinion is self-flagellation.
I don't believe democracy can work when people turn their backs on the truth in favor of a narrative, and when people who disagree with that narrative are dismissed from the table instead of being allowed a voice. Regardless of where your opinions land, we can't have a well-functioning society without being honest with ourselves and each other.
Well said.
I love when Glenn Loury goes into Angry Black Man mode. Righteous indignation at its finest.
Fantastic focus of morality and self worth as critical to the issue here, as opposed to staying on the political level. Bravo gentlemen, you're on the right path.
Preach that truth fellas!
Watching you guys discuss these topics reminds me why I loved studying in university. Thank you so much.
Glenn and John are 2 smart guys talking passionately and sincerely about the 1619 Project. They are not trying to signal tribal allegiance or score points. I would love to see them on MSNBC talking about this.
The ironic thing is that once they're on MSNBC or FOX or any talking heads channel, it's going to be used to serve political and tribal ends. Maybe just a TH-cam/podcast platform is the best place to talk about this.
uxnosidda The talking head echo chamberists on MSNBC couldn't handle McWhorter's independent-minded intelligence. I saw him on Joy Reid's show once, and similar to what you said, she responded not to what he actually said, but what she wanted him to say. The other guest was looking at John as if to say, "Brother, you dont know how this game is played!"
Esteban Nemo ...or anywhere. ☺️
uxnosidda I disagree. They are too smart and strong willed to fall for that. Fox is obviously a joke, but many, unfortunately take MSNBC seriously. Independent voices like Loury and McWhorter would shake up their echo chamber and perhaps cause a few acolytes to question their dogma.
Michelle Graham I agree, but MSNBC needs more independent voices to challenge their echo chamber narrative. No hyperbole, I honestly dont think Joy, Chris or Lawrence could handle Glenn or John.
Always a pleasure to witness such insightful exchanges, now more than ever.
Glenn made reference to 'how are we going to get beyond 'race' when they call themselves the 2 black guys, not guys, not University profs, etc. at Bloggingheads
Thank you for this intelligent discussion on an important topic.
This was amazing! When Glen got rolling I got chills. Such power!
I'm listening. Your podcast affects our conversations overseas and is a beacon of reason.
I appreciate your thoughts so much Mr Lowry.
I love hearing glenn "the black guys of Bloggingheadstv"
This is the best thing I have seen/heard in a long time!!
“Charismatically oppositional”-Professor McWhorter doing what he does best!
Superb talk. Love the passion and vulnerability. You two are thoroughly important voices with these sorts of conversations and I admire the courage of the two of you. Keep up the good work, the tide is starting to turn and you will both be on the right side of history when it's all said and done.
I am shocked by the courage of these two men and their willingness to argue their Truth to the political avalanche of nonsense they and we confront. I have known of them and been exposed to their logic but they truly are through omission by the media not allowed to be heard as a wide as their scholarship deserves. Poor us. I will promote to as many as I can these series of conversations. Their passion is not of hate for their community but from love of it. I hope more will listen. They are a gift to be appreciated.
"with dreadlocks and smelling of coconut" and "going like this (snaps) and saying amen". LMAO John is so good at imagery
I'm listening! And sharing! Thank you!
I love you guys!
Glen Loury God bless you. I appreciate your passion and your candor as well as your constructive approach to real change.
Thank you guys for having the conversation. This is a very important topic.
Great podcast. One of their best. Or maybe the best!!!!
It's up there.
You guys are the best
Such a powerful discussion. I just wish the whole country could hear it.
We need more of this.
I appreciate your heart Glenn. Keep preaching the truth brother.
Oh boy, I was waiting for this since I first heard the announcement. I have to get popcorn first.
Thank you both for your courage and humility before this grave but deeply rooted crisis (wrong word perhaps) in this country. As it happens, I recall the City of Detroit as boy, a young adult, and a man. It is heartbreaking and the last thing the people of Detroit needed or wanted, was the aftermath of yet another cruel and political prestidigitation. Again, thank you.
I'm a liberal in Atlanta and I appreciate these men and their thoughtful discussions. I agree with a lot. I also disagree. And sometimes things are said that lead me to think and not decide at that moment, which is what we need in our society. We need to think and not just react. We need to hear folks like them. Fox News is propaganda. And liberals won't speak the truth sometimes because of the combination of white guilt and paternalism. I'll keep listening. Thanks.
Beautiful conversation, love seeing these minds at work
McWhorter is like Don lemon with 150 additional IQ points
i honor both of you.
Great discussion as always Gentlemen!
The truth will prevail. Stay strong friends. We are listening
Glenn "We're the so-call, not-woke black guys, the contrarian black guys . . ."
You're the Based Black Guys. Just own it.
Mateo ‘Based’ is the opposite of ‘Woke’ - think about the figures of Plato and Aristotle in Raphael’s “School of Athens”
“Based” empirical, data-driven, common-sense, conservative.
“Woke” is more heady, narrative-driven, it reflects initiation into a higher state of consciousness (every one is ‘asleep’ or down in Plato’s cave), so it’s hostile to common-sense and less accountable to data.
The issue of policing and race is one of the clearest examples of the woke/based divide. It’s “based” to say that more blacks are in prison because they commit more crimes, and “Woke” to say they commit more crimes because they are over-policed. Even is the truth is somewhere in the middle John and Glenn find it closer to the “based” side.
The term “based black guy” expresses the kind of patronizing enthusiasm that conservatives express when a black guy has a conservative take, or lends support to a conservative cause.
Great job gentlemen thank you so much for your effort
Glenn and John are so darn eloquent and civilized, even in disagreement, that it's difficult to tell when they're arguing.
This conversation was fantastic! Thank you gentlemen for your candor.
John, your analysis on vocation is incredible.
Essential listening. 👏👏
Thank you for all of your hard work. I really enjoy following you guys. Always thought provoking.
You guys are my favourite bloggers!!! Keep doing them. If I had money (I’m a PhD student) I’d give you money to keep these videos coming
Good stuff guys! This is a yeoman's work. Stark-straightforward-truth. This episode is a gold mine of truth nuggets.
Guys, I've watched at least 8 of your videos. We need to cut clips og this for easy sharing! would that be ok for me to do it? Would you guys like help with that?
This is great. Glenn's fiery passion is tempered by John's cool analysis.
I could not agree more with Glenn in feeling an urgency and despair. Whatever you guys can do to push back more on these “woke” ideologies really matters. The “everything is either racist or anti racists” message is moving forward at an alarming rate without resistance. Get Kemele, Coleman, TCW, and others, and PLEASE do more if you can. You all are brilliant and renew my faith in truth and reason. I have been listening to you two since Evergreen and adore you both! The Fifth Column episode with you both and the guys mentioned above, was one of the most positive and fascinating podcasts I have ever heard.
I really appreciate the conversations of Glen and John. Glen has a great comic delivery. PS Cornel is as well a critic of the Tanahesi school of "anti-rscism." But from an analysis that considers class.
Love these guys!
We are listening. And we are in your debt. Thank you
That ending was wonderful from both of you. Always a pleasure to listen to.
Smart and passionate about the roles of class, race, economics...complex problems with no easy solutions. Speaking genuinely, thoughtfully, and with courtesy, even when they disagree.
Glenn, you speak a lot of truth. You have the gift of clarity of thought and being able to communicate those thoughts. I wish you start speaking to college campuses after the Covid crisis. You’re correct that to reach young people it has to be in a verbal context versus written. It would be fun to see you debate some of the white liberals on CNN, etc. Keep up your good work!
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I feel Loury's thought, passion and maybe what looks like anguish. I wish I could shout it on the mountain top.
I am new to your blog and I am enjoying catching up on your shows. After listening for about 30mins I realized I needed to do a quick check on Nikole Hannah Jones to get myself up to speed. It took only a few minutes listening to her to understand her perspective. I knew when I saw and listened to her that her mother was white and her father was black. She approached this venture as an angry/bitter (her words on the Daily Show) black (biracial) woman. In my opinion she used this work as an outlet to express her resentment towards her caucasian relatives who did not accept her and her sisters. Black women don't discount the hard work and passion we have put into our families. We would NEVER use slavery as an excuse for our families shortcomings EVER! Its disrespectful to our ancestors. You guys may sometimes need to get the perspective of a woman when analyzing the work of women.