I'd go with apollo. Stronger, more durable, better defense, higher battle IQ and he takes offense. I think the real dad vs son fight in this universe is the dragos since viktor lost only because he was emotionally crushed in the end of creed 2 and lost the will to fight.
no comparison, adonis is far of top fighters, he lost to conlan, lost to viktor drago, if ivan don´t stop the fight and viktor can´t down until round ends, probably viktor back on next round and finishes the fight punching the breaked adonis body and remember, adonis almost loses to damien too
I'm not sure. The punishment Adonis took from Victor Drago in their second fight is not based in reality. A real fighter of that size would be out cold and on their way to the hospital. Adonis just kept getting back up like he was just fine.
One thing that bothers me about some of Tommy Gun's assessments in videos like this is they use his street fight with Rocky to assess his skill in the ring. Rocky wasn't fighting like a boxer in Rocky V. He was fighting like a mafia enforcer (as he was in Rocky I). A suburban boy from Oklahoma who pretty much only knows how to fight in the ring by the rules isn't going to know what to do against dirty street fighting. The fight with Rocky in Rocky V wasn't a measure of his skill as a champion, but a measure of his character and the consequences of his choices. Had he learned from that experience, and continued without Duke as his promoter, there wasn't really anything standing in the way of his potential.
@@taemien9219 Tommy's sleazy promoter even warned him that Rocky had better street smarts than Tommy and that it would be dangerous for Tommy to face him in the street. I saw wrestling and grappling moves that were more like MMA, Rocky tripped Tommy with what was similar to a karate foot sweep and at one point Rocky through a KICK to hurt Tommy. None of that kind of stuff is allowed in boxing. Its part of why pound for pound MMA fighters have a big advantage over boxers in a street fight.
I'm loving these videos. I love that you don't make them very long and that you just explain things so well and these hypotheticals are just so epic. I also love that just like how I was correct about clubber Lang versus Ivan drago, I was right about this battle too
Tommy represents the last of a breed that grew up in a literal dog-eat-dog world and has no issue destroying whoever is in front of him. Tommy has size, power, and can move. Adonis would have to move and stay on the outside the whole fight and avoiding Tommy cutting off the ring for another assault. Tommy would just be too much with a slight chance Adonis wins on points. Other than that, Tommy puts Adonis to sleep. 😴
Ah yes, the two students of Rocky. Please do Tommy Gunn vs Mason Dixon Union Kane vs Mason Dixon Rocky ‘75 vs Adonis Creed ‘15 All of these would be great fights!
I really enjoy these videos, as a former amateur boxer and boxing fan. If I could make a suggestion...could you provide a "tale of the tape" type description of the fighters...or did I miss that in the video. In any case, great work! Brilliant 👏🏾
Love all your videos man but this one is actually a real interesting idea kinda like if Tyson was to go against Patterson (I’m not comparing or saying who would win just saying as far as the backstory)
I hope in the next cream movie we get to see a young lion old lion match up between a prime Adonis Creed against an old straight outta retirement but still undefeated Mason Dixon.
Like the video very much! Thank you. Lose the AI stuff, its really bad "SREED"...come on... just a picture of them both from respective movies would be fine
Tommy is a bad matchup for Adonis. If Adonis can outlast Tommy past the 5th round he can take the W. Problem is Tommy is not just a brawler he’s an explosive Swarmer. If Adonis can’t keep him off it’s over. Tommy takes the first match.
i love playing this game with my mates of who would win i got a fight i would like to know since me and my mates argue about it all the time who would win conan the barbarian vs beowulf
Creed was already a decent fighter from being completely self taught and emulating old footage. So once he started training, it shot WAY up. Tommy was decent/determined but didn't start out as well and had a cap because he "kept fighin other bums" and lost to a retired Rocky in a street fight. Creed fought much better opponents.
Tommy is bigger and stronger, but he cut his training with Rocky short. He never got to live up to his potential and it’s an arguable point that he caught on even faster than Adonis. Tommy would beat Adonis in Creed 1 and early Creed 2. At the end of Creed 2 I’m going with Adonis after he was trained to handle a bigger fighter. The question will always linger as pertaining to how good could Tommy have been
Adonis would win. I mean, Hell, he dropped Ivan Drago's son, Victor. If Adonis trained like he did for Drago, he'd beat Tommy Gunn. He inherited his father's abilities and was trained by Balboa. He's the perfect fighter.
IF you compare their respective primes Adonis defeated Viktor Drago who was the 2nd most powerful (definitely tougher than Tommy) character in the franchise when comparing respective primes, with his own father Ivan being the absolute most powerful. Tommy is not beating either of the Dragos in their primes. Since Adonis did SCALING goes to him. My money is on Adonis even though Tommy hits harder and is stronger and has more raw power. How hard you can hit is not the ONLY important aspect of boxing. Adonis has more refined skills and more courage and better training (he trained LONGER with Rocky while Tommy abandoned Rocky before his training was fully complete) and he has better control of his emotions which was Tommy's downfall.
And Tommy also had a first round KO with Union Cane and then lost to him afterward and he was considered something of a bum, and he never was able to become a real fighter ever again
Tommy "The Machine" Gunn winner by middle round KO. Adonis is no Apollo, nor Lang, nor Drago. He is not a real HW and unlike all others got all for near free. Rocky, Creed, Lang and Drago was all near from the streets and had little to no alternatives for a living then turn to fighting in the ring. Adonis had a great life with college education and a great office job that offered economic stability and possibility for having any life he wanted it to be. He only wants to box to prove his own insecurities, and the great legacy left by his past father Apollo, who was a dominant champion in the ring. Also he is no real HW, but a blown-up LH. Gunn is to strong, to big and comapred to Adonis carries enough ring experience to win. Gunn mabey is not above Rocky or his era rivals, but more then what came after him.
Tommy Gunn would win. He is much younger and stronger, and he was already a skilled boxer when he started training with Rocky. Ofcourse Adonis jouney was fantastic. But we have to take in count that he was 30+ when he was starting training with Rocky and he was small. He could just defeat Victor Drago because he had Rockys guidning. But we also have to take in count that Victor Drago was big but slow and not as skilled or technical as his father. Ivan Drago was big strong and slim with a very good condition and was also fast as a lightweight boxer and also very technical. A much more skilled fighter. Adonis was great but Rocky was a god if we compare them. Rocky did most of his training by himself when prepared for the fight with Ivan Drago and he can take much more than Adonis. If Adonis prime met Ivan Drago prime he wouldn’t last more than til the 3rd round. With that said if Tommy prime and Adonis prime faced each other Tommy would win if he had clear mind like when Rocky was training him. But otherwhise he will knocked outin the 2nd round.
Tommy wins by default because he was a real boxer and a champ. Mind you the only person that Tommy lost was his trainer Rocky himself something that Adonis never had a chance to do in a street fight.Thumbs 👎🏼
In know in the movie we are supposed to go to hate Tommy bit the real life Tommy The Duke Morrison would have knocked out Creed i have a pair of those rocky Tommy signed and picture of him doing it i also have Tommy glove signed and a pair of his black stars and bars trumks signed and yes i had everything beckett approved my first cousin was the Junior Middle Weight champion of the world in boxing so we would go see him fight i met Tommy he was a great guy with a very powerful left hook and he knew how to work the body so i think Tommy Gunn would have won he wanted so bad also
So we take someone who is a main hero of the creed series, put him against "vilain" from rocky 5 and call the creed winner ? Absolute BS, tommy would win. The fact he was not able to hold against rocky in a street fight doesnt mean anything, creed would die with the first punch if he went against rocky in the street fight.
Watching Tommy Morrison’s Tommy Gunn, bc real pro, even though a film boxer, def technically better than Adonis. Have to take Gunn by TKO round 7. Gunn’s left hook too much for Creed. 🥊🥊🐴🇮🇹
The fact that his trunks had Creed and his mother's last name, "Johnson" on the back is so disrespectful to black men and very prejudiced. They'd never allow that to happen with a white character.
I’d like to see Creed vs Creed and see if father or son comes out on top
I'd go with apollo.
Stronger, more durable, better defense, higher battle IQ and he takes offense.
I think the real dad vs son fight in this universe is the dragos since viktor lost only because he was emotionally crushed in the end of creed 2 and lost the will to fight.
I’m sure Creed would get that!!!
no comparison, adonis is far of top fighters, he lost to conlan, lost to viktor drago, if ivan don´t stop the fight and viktor can´t down until round ends, probably viktor back on next round and finishes the fight punching the breaked adonis body
and remember, adonis almost loses to damien too
@@supersonicsant954 Yeah that’s even better
Apollo no doubt. In real life and in fiction.
Tommy a natural big Heavyweight would make short work of Creed jr
In real life maybe but scaling gives it to Adonis because Viktor Drago was even tougher than Tommy and beating him means beating Tommy.
Tommy... Nothing after Rocky V is the same. The characters are far less mythical and more grounded to reality.
Adonis isn't even a natural heavyweight
I'm not sure. The punishment Adonis took from Victor Drago in their second fight is not based in reality. A real fighter of that size would be out cold and on their way to the hospital. Adonis just kept getting back up like he was just fine.
One thing that bothers me about some of Tommy Gun's assessments in videos like this is they use his street fight with Rocky to assess his skill in the ring. Rocky wasn't fighting like a boxer in Rocky V. He was fighting like a mafia enforcer (as he was in Rocky I). A suburban boy from Oklahoma who pretty much only knows how to fight in the ring by the rules isn't going to know what to do against dirty street fighting. The fight with Rocky in Rocky V wasn't a measure of his skill as a champion, but a measure of his character and the consequences of his choices. Had he learned from that experience, and continued without Duke as his promoter, there wasn't really anything standing in the way of his potential.
@@taemien9219 Tommy's sleazy promoter even warned him that Rocky had better street smarts than Tommy and that it would be dangerous for Tommy to face him in the street. I saw wrestling and grappling moves that were more like MMA, Rocky tripped Tommy with what was similar to a karate foot sweep and at one point Rocky through a KICK to hurt Tommy. None of that kind of stuff is allowed in boxing. Its part of why pound for pound MMA fighters have a big advantage over boxers in a street fight.
An interesting fight would be between Tommy Gun and Viktor Drago
Hell yeah. Two power houses!!
@@Riosokkablackwolfhe has it already lol
Tommy fought Del Weston & Jeff Langton, in the Rocky universe, those blokes alone are higher caliber than any of Creed’s.
I'm loving these videos. I love that you don't make them very long and that you just explain things so well and these hypotheticals are just so epic. I also love that just like how I was correct about clubber Lang versus Ivan drago, I was right about this battle too
Tommy represents the last of a breed that grew up in a literal dog-eat-dog world and has no issue destroying whoever is in front of him. Tommy has size, power, and can move. Adonis would have to move and stay on the outside the whole fight and avoiding Tommy cutting off the ring for another assault. Tommy would just be too much with a slight chance Adonis wins on points. Other than that, Tommy puts Adonis to sleep. 😴
Ah yes, the two students of Rocky.
Please do
Tommy Gunn vs Mason Dixon
Union Kane vs Mason Dixon
Rocky ‘75 vs Adonis Creed ‘15
All of these would be great fights!
Very detailed analysis and narration of the fights, thanks! Also would be interesting Tommy vs Dixon
Gunn would have crushed Adonis!!!!
U crazy Adonis would have destroyed Gunn easily
Maybe
The Machine Gunn would win
Easily 🥊
I would like to see Jon Snow from Game Of Thrones Vs. Arrogon from The Lord Of The Rings.
Aragon would mop the floor with him. Jon isn't even top 10 in his own world, and in the books was manhandled like a child by Mance Rayder.
I really enjoy these videos, as a former amateur boxer and boxing fan. If I could make a suggestion...could you provide a "tale of the tape" type description of the fighters...or did I miss that in the video. In any case, great work! Brilliant 👏🏾
Thanks for your hard work to bring us these awesome videos:)
You are welcome! Thanks for supporting the channel!
Do Damien Anderson vs Viktor Drago
Tommy would've destroyed Adonis and I don't even like Tommy.
Adonis is a perfect mix of Rocky and Apollo.
Regardless of opinion, good video. I was entertained
Love all your videos man but this one is actually a real interesting idea kinda like if Tyson was to go against Patterson (I’m not comparing or saying who would win just saying as far as the backstory)
I love the names on the tights in the ai inages
How about ADONIS CREED VS ABRAHAM LINCOLN from movie Gladiator
Another factor to think about is Rocky in Creed's corner? That would definitely play with Gunns mind.
A good video would be the best trainer in the Rocky movies. Is it Rocky, Mickey or Duke?
How about Victor Drago vs Damian Anderson from creed 3 ?
Please tell me you're going to do a Adonis vs Rocky Jr( Adonis in the juvenile jail and Rocky Jr going to public school in part 5)
I hope in the next cream movie we get to see a young lion old lion match up between a prime Adonis Creed against an old straight outta retirement but still undefeated Mason Dixon.
@2:59 How yall got Tommy wearing Apollo’s boxing shorts going against his SON? 🤦🏾♂️
That’s what i just thought
It's sort of insulting isn't it? 😅
Gunn in the first fight, Creed in the rematch.
NO. Gunn might win the first few ROUNDS but Creed is just overall better and would win the first fight.
John Matrix(Commando) vs Colonel James Braddock (Missing In Action)
Tommy!
The problem I always had with Michael J or maybe the filming is that his punches are so slow. It’s hard to see any of his punches landing.
Like the video very much! Thank you. Lose the AI stuff, its really bad "SREED"...come on... just a picture of them both from respective movies would be fine
How about rocky 2 Apollo vs drago
Clubber Lang vs Victor Drago
Can we get a overall list ranking all of the boxers?
Yes. I’m working on that one 👍🏼
Tommy is a bad matchup for Adonis. If Adonis can outlast Tommy past the 5th round he can take the W. Problem is Tommy is not just a brawler he’s an explosive Swarmer. If Adonis can’t keep him off it’s over. Tommy takes the first match.
bruce lee from enter the dragon vs van dam from from kick boxer or blood sport
van dam since he was doing stuff that actually works in a fight. MT
Nice
Winner gets Chuck Norris off Delta force !
@@therealanonymous12 rambo vs Chuck Norris off Delta force
Could Rocky have done UFC against Ken Shamrock or Dan the Beast Severn, or Don Frye
So ... Apollo vs. Adonis?
I've been wanting that one!!
This would be is really interesting fight
Can you please do 1984 mcgyver vs Michael myers
Adonis has his father's speed Rocky's body shots and then his own arsenal Adonis wins
Agree 100%
In a street fight tommy stomps
@@Billyxstu Tommy duke not Tommy Gunn
Jason Voorhees vs Kevin Mcalister
Creed vs Gunn could have been a great movie aka Creed 4
Do Tommy ( Rocky 5) vs Damien ( Creed 3)
Tommy Gunn ain't nobody's boy !
i love playing this game with my mates of who would win i got a fight i would like to know since me and my mates argue about it all the time who would win conan the barbarian vs beowulf
Damn, man. Tommy is the Yamcha of the Rocky franchise.
Sorry but isn't Creed a light heavy. Been a while.
Creed was already a decent fighter from being completely self taught and emulating old footage. So once he started training, it shot WAY up.
Tommy was decent/determined but didn't start out as well and had a cap because he "kept fighin other bums" and lost to a retired Rocky in a street fight. Creed fought much better opponents.
The way I took it when they claimed he was “fighting bums”, it was just the media trying to gaslight him into a rocky fight.
@trantorthetroll8768 - It was actually a throwback to Clubber since he tells Rocky that he's been "Takin all the easy matches, fightin other bums." 😆
Union Kane was a bum
Tommy Gunn vs Damian Anderson
Apollo Creed vs Adonis
Victor vs Drago
Victor vs Damien
Antonio Tarver vs Ivan Drago
So far your videos have Tommy Gunn getting defeated by everyone,lol. I doubt that .
Gunn would mop the canvas with Adonis.. .
Adonis will win hands down. 🥊
Let us see Drago vs Drago father vs son
Let's see Drago vs Drago
Tommy is bigger and stronger, but he cut his training with Rocky short. He never got to live up to his potential and it’s an arguable point that he caught on even faster than Adonis. Tommy would beat Adonis in Creed 1 and early Creed 2. At the end of Creed 2 I’m going with Adonis after he was trained to handle a bigger fighter. The question will always linger as pertaining to how good could Tommy have been
Creed over Gunn by a slight edge.🥊😏
Adonis would win. I mean, Hell, he dropped Ivan Drago's son, Victor. If Adonis trained like he did for Drago, he'd beat Tommy Gunn. He inherited his father's abilities and was trained by Balboa. He's the perfect fighter.
I think Creed would win if it goes the distance.
Viktor Drago vs Damien (Creed 3)
Adonis beats Tommy in the late rounds
Adonis vs his dad
IF you compare their respective primes Adonis defeated Viktor Drago who was the 2nd most powerful (definitely tougher than Tommy) character in the franchise when comparing respective primes, with his own father Ivan being the absolute most powerful.
Tommy is not beating either of the Dragos in their primes. Since Adonis did SCALING goes to him. My money is on Adonis even though Tommy hits harder and is stronger and has more raw power. How hard you can hit is not the ONLY important aspect of boxing. Adonis has more refined skills and more courage and better training (he trained LONGER with Rocky while Tommy abandoned Rocky before his training was fully complete) and he has better control of his emotions which was Tommy's downfall.
And Tommy also had a first round KO with Union Cane and then lost to him afterward and he was considered something of a bum, and he never was able to become a real fighter ever again
I ain' hear no bell!
Tommy would ruin adonis in 3
Disagree. Rocky never taught Tommy how to protect himself. Plus, Tommy fought some fights. Adonis fought wars, like his dad and Rocky.
Chucky vs Megan
Tommy would run right through him..
Tommy “The Douche” Morrison
Drago vs His son
Tommy "The Machine" Gunn winner by middle round KO. Adonis is no Apollo, nor Lang, nor Drago. He is not a real HW and unlike all others got all for near free.
Rocky, Creed, Lang and Drago was all near from the streets and had little to no alternatives for a living then turn to fighting in the ring.
Adonis had a great life with college education and a great office job that offered economic stability and possibility for having any life he wanted it to be.
He only wants to box to prove his own insecurities, and the great legacy left by his past father Apollo, who was a dominant champion in the ring.
Also he is no real HW, but a blown-up LH. Gunn is to strong, to big and comapred to Adonis carries enough ring experience to win.
Gunn mabey is not above Rocky or his era rivals, but more then what came after him.
Hang on, wasnt Adonis a light heavyweight?
Tommy Gunn would win. He is much younger and stronger, and he was already a skilled boxer when he started training with Rocky.
Ofcourse Adonis jouney was fantastic. But we have to take in count that he was 30+ when he was starting training with Rocky and he was small. He could just defeat Victor Drago because he had Rockys guidning. But we also have to take in count that Victor Drago was big but slow and not as skilled or technical as his father. Ivan Drago was big strong and slim with a very good condition and was also fast as a lightweight boxer and also very technical. A much more skilled fighter.
Adonis was great but Rocky was a god if we compare them. Rocky did most of his training by himself when prepared for the fight with Ivan Drago and he can take much more than Adonis. If Adonis prime met Ivan Drago prime he wouldn’t last more than til the 3rd round.
With that said if Tommy prime and Adonis prime faced each other Tommy would win if he had clear mind like when Rocky was training him. But otherwhise he will knocked outin the 2nd round.
Cant forget Mason Dixon
Morrison had power
Not cool. Adonis Creed doesn't deserve to beat ANYONE from the original Rocky franchise - not even Spider Rico
Tommy wins by default because he was a real boxer and a champ. Mind you the only person that Tommy lost was his trainer Rocky himself something that Adonis never had a chance to do in a street fight.Thumbs 👎🏼
In know in the movie we are supposed to go to hate Tommy bit the real life Tommy The Duke Morrison would have knocked out Creed i have a pair of those rocky Tommy signed and picture of him doing it i also have Tommy glove signed and a pair of his black stars and bars trumks signed and yes i had everything beckett approved my first cousin was the Junior Middle Weight champion of the world in boxing so we would go see him fight i met Tommy he was a great guy with a very powerful left hook and he knew how to work the body so i think Tommy Gunn would have won he wanted so bad also
Adonis wins. Tommy Gunn is too much of a head case.
i think adonis creed would win
Viktor drago Vs Tommy gunn
already made that one. Check it out on my main channel page.
@MONUMENTAL-CINEMA oh fank you
So we take someone who is a main hero of the creed series, put him against "vilain" from rocky 5 and call the creed winner ? Absolute BS, tommy would win. The fact he was not able to hold against rocky in a street fight doesnt mean anything, creed would die with the first punch if he went against rocky in the street fight.
Watching Tommy Morrison’s Tommy Gunn, bc real pro, even though a film boxer, def technically better than Adonis. Have to take Gunn by TKO round 7. Gunn’s left hook too much for Creed. 🥊🥊🐴🇮🇹
Adonis after the desert 🏜️ training would slaughter Tommy np
Tommy would win
lol does Tommy beat anyone?!?
in rocky universe? I dont think so. Old retired rocky won against Tommy, all said
Adonis is winning this one all day speed, technique, skill and heart all favor AC.. I would take him by TKO in round 5..
Adonis would win. If he could beat Drago he would beet Gunn.
But keep in mind this is Drago’s son .. Drago the ol’ man was even more powerful
In the rocky world I think
Tommy Morrison wins
Tommy? no,. no chance! Tommy lost against untrained old Rocky, all said
Adonis is too small
Adonis Creed wins against Tommy,Tommy is a good fighter, but he's not better than Adonis
Poor Tommy man, cant win a thing 😂😂😂
🤣🤣 I was thinking the same thing. I'll find a match that he can win one of these days!
@@MONUMENTAL-CINEMA ...maybe he can beat Mason Dixon from Balboa 😂
Nah… I don’t agree with this one.
who cares?
The fact that his trunks had Creed and his mother's last name, "Johnson" on the back is so disrespectful to black men and very prejudiced. They'd never allow that to happen with a white character.
tommy wins easily