E-Flite Convergence - What I've learned after 60 days.
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- E-flite convergence. What I've learned after 60 days VLOG
A few tips for beginners.
Note - The "Voltage lag" demonstration was done on a battery @ storage voltage to emphasize a point. Proper testing should be done on a full balanced charged pack.
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Thanks for the video.....clarity of thought and presentation, speed dictation - as well as informative for the aircraft
Paul Lange thanks for the comment. Enjoy.
Great video, Fantastic plane,
I run mine on 3S 2600 batteries with the battery leads running underneath the battery tray where the fpv camera goes so I can push the battery right to the back.
I cut out the front wall of the battery compartment so the battery leads come out at the front and scalloped out the foam under the canopy so the battery would fit.
I set my timer for 4 minutes and take off in MR stabilized and convert to plane mode as quick as possible so I'm not wasting battery power on MR.
When my timer goes off at 4 minutes it then gives me a minute and a half to transition back to MR and come in to land.
I could get longer flight times if I don't fly full throttle in plane mode etc but I feel safe with the 4 minute timer set up I am using and I have lots of batteries so I'm not too fussed about short flight times.
I find if I'm in plane mode and switch to stability mode and then transition to MR the front goes up like crazy and it is super hard to control. My remedy for this is to transition from plane to MR in acro mode and with very small stick controls give the plane about 10 seconds to settle before flicking it back to stabilty mode for landing.
I love it, it does some really neat flips and tricks in plane mode (0:
hi. hey how heavy is your 3s 2600 battery? thanks for the info. stay calm and fly on. cheers
A club mate asked me to help him out with his new Convergence and this info will be a great help. Thanks!
Thank you sir for a most informative review. you are a lot of help to me in setting everything up and getting reliable operation.
Great video! I love the challenge of this plane. Your tips answer some questions that I have had and will really help.
Great review with loads of use full info. Thanks
Thank you for your thoughtful and informative videos.
Howdy...
Thanks for your post, you brought up a lot of really great points. The tip about marking the motor servo arm positions is a great idea. There is a caution note in the manual that these should not be altered, so If there is a need to replace any associated parts, you can return the adjustments to the factory settings.
I believe that there are some other points that would be also helpful to pass along.
A more valuable battery test with your 30A discharge setup would be to commence testing with a fully charged battery rather than one at storage charge voltage, then time it to LVC to replicate when in multi-rotor mode. This would give someone a lot better idea how to initially set the flight timer to avoid hitting LVC unexpectedly. And always check battery voltage prior and after each flight for total and individual cell values. Another very valuable test would be checking the individual cell and total pack internal resistance values. This is the single best indicator of a battery's true condition. Using Admiral 3S 2200mAh 35C batteries, I am getting 4 minutes of maneuvering in multi-rotor mode and have between 45 to 50% charge remaining.
In all of the videos that I've seen about this aircraft, I have yet to see anybody point out the importance of having the aircraft on a level surface and be kept totally motionless while the flight controller initializes (for about 5 seconds until the front motors transition to vertical). Many pilots are inexperienced with flight controllers and this procedure is very important to proper control function.
Thanks again for your great video. Had to toss in my 2 cents! :-)
Yes, great points. I did mention voltage lag demo in description. so people will test on full charge packs. your post is a good reminder for those that miss the note. Thanks for the post.
Who reads the notes? Keep up the good job! :-)
I am exploring the hobby, so thanks for the Quad Heli advice!
Thanks for the video info. Tried to fly mine today and am having trouble as soon as it goes into airplane mode so I'll check for low voltage and other things you mentioned.
I have this plane had a few issues with it out rid the box but horizon hooked me up the information in this video is solid. defiantly a beginner acft though.
I broke one servo arm. Had to order a set of replacements. DO NOT touch the nacelle linkages to make the motors completely vertical! Don't change their length whatsoever! Leave them at what they're set to.
If you want battery telemetry (like I did) you should know that 10V should be your HIGH setting, about 9.9 volts should be your LOW setting (first alarm) and 9.2V should be your ALARM setting (battery critical alarm). It will revert to multirotor mode when battery is low and the ESCs will cut out at 2.6V per cell. That's very low! Don't let the ESCs cut out! They don't soft cut, they just shut off mid flight. Once the plane senses low battery you will have about 30 seconds to land depending on your battery.
I've been on the fence with this one as well. I think I may pass this time! Thanks for the video!
Very informative, thanks a lot. I have ordered mine and I have been waiting for 6 weeks now. I think that I am going to get the "version 2", though Horizon will not call it that.
Thanks for an informative and useful video. I have a theory that some people may have problems when transitioning from airplane to hover mode because the elevons stop working. I have a Mini Convergence on order so will be able to find out for myself.
Great info -- thanks! Now I know what happened on my first flight after going into airplane mode, and half way around the circuit the plane started acting like the battery went dead -- it went into low voltage mode. Also, out of the box the front motors were not aligned with each other even close. I had to mechanically align them before the first flight.
Roy Pettit yes. The motors are @ 1 degree off from one another in both MR and AP mode. This is normal to offset torque yaw.
The Graphene batteries seem to perform well, their voltage doesn't drop as much because of their properties.
A note, if you are flying the bnf edition of this, make sure to test the failsafe by turning off the radio while holding the plane in its multirotor state. My plane spooled up to max throttle when doing this, even after following the bind procedure in the manual to the letter. The spektrum satellite in this plane does not have failsafe, which is managed by the flightcontroller. Tried to disconnect the satellite and using an ordinary reciever which has been set up correctly to zero throttle upon signal loss and that made the plane throttle down in failsafe as it should.
Jens Petter IkkeOppført do you think it is better to set failsafe at zero throttle, or maybe at a low setting that would let it hover down slowly instead of falling from the sky? Mine is at zero, but was considering changing it to leave a bit of power on.
they sell low voltage beepers , I fly tri-copters , I use them they work great . it will give you time to bring it in to land . There loud and small , just put them on the balance plug
Greatvideo. thx for that work.
Great video and shirt!
Sir it is VERY good,you've studied the craft in high detail, Well now I wish to build a 4seater full scale version,can I fly the craft as easily as the r.c.version,please explain.
How well does it glide? I'm buying one tomorrow and following your tips. Thank you SOOO much for saving me reading 300 pages. I started RC with collective pitch helis, so no worries there.
Garry Kennedy it does not glide very well. It is very nose heavy with power off. Under power it flies nice. Good luck.
Hi, great video, lots good info. I just brought a used one and is trying to set it up. My question is "Is it normal when I flip the switch going from multi copter to airplane mode, the front motors stop at 45 degrees for a second or so and then continue to go down.???
The 1 to 2 seconds seems like a long time when the plane is up in the sky. Thank you
I wonder if it wouldn't be a better idea to use the multi-rotor mode for landing only.Just hand-launch the plane like any other and only switch modes when your ready to land. The VTOL idea has been around for awhile now but, with all the issues that come with it I still don't think its practical, yet. If they made one with two separate units, including battery and control board it might work better for longer flight time, I don`t know. Just too much going on for one battery to handle all it needs to function efficiently.
August Lyons I tries the hand launch thing and broke the nose. really needs all components to be working.
Steven Clennon did you try hand launch in stabilization mode or acro mode?
Any VTOL aircraft with GPS waypoint flight?
Thanks for the informative video. Have you used it with a bigger battery (e.g., 2600 or 3000)?
Mark Kenney yes, I prefer 3s 3000 35c packs.
This Horizon FC firmware is not "taking care", as you say, but does crap with this LVC behavior. I'd love to have a way to turn off this behavior or decrease the LVC from 10.5V (as I read) to e.g. 9.9V or even 9.5V ? But the FC firmware is not configurable (like Cleanflight or Betaflight).
Regarding the props - the only one prop, that can come off is the left-front - because it is the only one rotating clockwise - HH should switch its screw to a CCW - then it would not unscrew itself any more. In comparison - with quadcopters it is usual to use CCW screws on CW motors and opposite.
ikarustigger no way to change LVC on the FC unfortunately. Only newish healthy packs will work with this plane. Have to maintain 10.5 volts or more under 30a load. 3s 3000 30c is recommended.
HeyFlashman guessing it is best to fly airplane mode at beginning of flight while battery is fresh to avoid inadvertently hitting the LVC?
I have been referred to you by David W from Horizon Tech Support.
To quote him: "Some additional information has come to light. The glitching you experience is normal. The Convergence is not a typical airplane and it is not a typical helicopter. I think the glitching that you experiencing can be explained in a TH-cam video. Product Support accepts the observations that is made in this video. The video is not from Horizon but has some very useful information. Here is the link: th-cam.com/video/XyXBdVjlrDg/w-d-xo.html"
Actually, I watch all of your videos and as far as I can recall, I don't remember you covering anything like this: th-cam.com/video/UQo5gm1jWc4/w-d-xo.html
Please notice the movement of the elevons right as soon as the "transition" starts, after each of the fresh startups. BTW, the tail motor is still running at this time indicating it's not "out of Multirotor" yet.
Do you recall anything in your "60 days" video related to this "glitch"?
Many Thanks for your time,
Bob
Sorry for the delay in reply. For some reason your post was hidden until now. Your video sure does suggest a possible bad FC but bench testing is difficult on this plane. The flight controller really wants to be airborne. I have seen some very glitchy bench testing on these planes then they fly perfectly. That being said, I would video your maiden for insurance. Again, sorry for the late post. Thanks for your comment.
After take-off, shouldn't the back rotor be turned off? So that the front two motors would move forward at faster speed. Does the back motor add any value to the front motors during horizontal movement?
Mazhar Syed in multi rotor mode the back motor is always active and has variable thrust from flight controller. It is definitely needed for take off and landing. It moves in all directions pretty well in multi rotor mode as well but I only recommend for take off and landing.
What is the flight time? I hear Josh Bixler saying it is a lot like the Apprentice. What is your opinion concerning that? I get what you are saying concerning messing with adjusting the thing. If it flys well out of the box is to leave it alone. Too many hero's out there think they have to screw with the adjustments. I suppose you have to use a Spektrum radio with this thing too? I am not a fan of Spektrum other than the 5e. I have the 6i but dont trust it to fly anything other than the park flyers. I wouldnt mind owning one of those but am not sure its something I really need. I know my friends would be blown away watching it take off and fly. I do believe it requires a larger flying field like the Apprentice am I correct?
scott firman yeah I saw that video too. I'm not sure I would compare this bird with an apprentice but it is pretty stable on the stability mode. But it's fast, so when you flip off stability be ready for it. I set the timer for 5 min. And have 30% left on 3s 2200. You can buy the plug and play version and put your own receiver and fly other than spektrum.
I think Josh is a bit optimistic with his comparison. I own an Apprentice, and I can tell you it is a much more forgiving plane in level flight that then Convergence. Two things here I think make a big difference - one, the Apprentice is much larger than the Convergence, with a more traditional aspect ratio, and you can fly it a **lot** slower than the Convergence. I'd struggle to recommend the Convergence as either a first plane or first multirotor, where I would wholeheartedly recommend the Apprentice as a first set of wings...
John Driggers Agreed,like compairing apples to oranges,period.
RC Hobbyist Extreme I just got the plug-n-play version and using my Tactic 610 transmitter and Tactic 624 reciever. Works fine. Only bummer is need to buy 6 small male-male servo leads to connect receiver to the flight controller, but all the modes and stabilization work fine. Can order pack of six for 7.99 USD if still in stock anywhere.
I really want one of these, unfortunately here in Australia they are $500, making it a very expensive aircraft!
Try Ebay. lots of sellers ship overseas.
Thank you, I have looked, but the shipping is like $80+ to Australia and works out much the same.
www.ebay.com/itm/E-Flite-EFL11075-650mm-Convergence-VTOL-PNP-Plane-/192071130816?hash=item2cb854dec0:g:0ZwAAOSw5cNYbsUk
This one is only$219 to start and ships world wide. Don't know what he charges to ship to Australia but if its $80 that's still a savings over what you would pay there.
Thanks again, I will check that one out, looks like it may be worth shipping one in.
10.5v is a little conservative
What do you have your CG set to? Having difficulty getting mine set with such a wide range that the manual shows.
SilverChevy2008 I'm running my batteries all the way back as far as I can get them.
OK, I will try that setting. And thank you so much for the reply.
Only eflight would put a LVC on a aircraft
They should have made it 4s compatible.
Can this aircraft be safely"dead-Sticked" in?
Unfortunately not, feels tail heavy and stalls quickly without power.
what props does it use? I cannot find them in Australia and it spits them off nearly ever flight.
EFL11003 Main Props are 7 x 5.5 (180mm x 140mm) 2-Blade
EFL11004 Tail Prop is 4.9 x 4.9 (125mm x 125mm) 3-Blade
Thanks mate.
puedo comprarlo en España??
Hier heb je wat aan !!
Could I use my DX6i?
James Lewis I believe you can if you choose the plug and play version and use your own compatible receiver.
what's the best battery?
Jay Bird13 I'm using a 3s 3000mah 35c pack.
Have you tried 4S battery?
Now I am glad I didnt get one. Saved my money and bought something else, YAY ME!
The fucking thing wouldn’t even bind . Shit
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Too much BS does not help.