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Wonderful man Mr Shine and the people around morag. I remember him from his exhibitions from the 1970's . Regardless of whether they're giant eels, or another species of enormous size, they'd still be "monsters." Something's there. I hope Adrian finally sees it and verifies their existence also. 🐍
Been there years ago holidaying in a little caravan . Dad wanted to fish the loch . It felt very remote and we holidayed all over Scotland . Beautiful place Loch Morar ❤️
I live in Edinburgh and have driven past Loch Ness numerous times, I've not seen the alleged creature, but you do get that feeling of mystery when you first see the Loch and its black looking water. It's a beautiful place, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a creature living in it.
If I lived there I'd buy a drone and get to work. 50 to 75 feet above the surface, a good 4k camera, at sunrise and before sunset...it it's there you'll see it eventually. A drone is the best way to do this. If the camera is good enough you could go even higher to cover more ground. This would be an amazing way to spend one's later years in my opinion.
@@stellatrabucco4494 It's a long drive but you could build a YT channel around that. I envy you for having something that interesting that close to scout and document with a drone. I'm subbing to your channel so don't put it off. :)
The residents who reported these sightings would've been very familiar with how the lake's appearance was affected by weather or other varying conditions. So they probably wouldn't think twice about a ripple or a wake or something they'd seen many times before. In other words, they could tell the difference between something that was common to see on the lake's surface, and something that was uncommon.
Most people are. Most people do not see these monsters. But get a group of people around the loch, and maybe one or two will. I think people get the impression that these sightings are common and numerous among the people around the loch-they aren’t. That’s true of all the lakes haunted by monsters. How many tourists see Loch Ness every year? How many see anything exotic? Less than a handful of people report seeing something. You are right as far as it goes, but all it takes is one person-they could be ignorant of boat wakes, they could have poor vision, or, more likely, they are impressionable people who are also ignorant of what waves can do. Or they come there expecting to see a monster, plus they are unaware of what waves can do. Bingo. There’s your monster sighting.
When I was at school everyone was talking about this, there's a documentary hidden somewhere in the archives where a wee fisherman talks about a cave system that links Loch Ness with Loch Morar ,he says that Nessie lives in the caves and travels between Lochs,sounds daft until you watch this video 🥺
There are sooo many very well done so called documentaries out there in Videoland that to their credit are very professionally done but all most of them accomplish in the end only amounts to packaging lots of bits and pieces of historical (he-said/she-said) folklore ‘data’ and reveal nothing of any real substance in the end. It all makes for stimulating conversation around the possibilities of things and tweaks the imagination but don’t mistake it for vetted truth.
Looking at maps of that area of Scotland, it seems there would have to be a tunnel of at least 60 miles (as the crow flies) to join both lochs. If the rock in that region was purely sedimentary like chalk or sandstone - then yes, a tunnel system is a remote possibility. However, it's igneous, metamorphic, really hard rocks (I know. I live here on such rock types and it's not something that will just wear down easily). Thus, I don't believe there can be tunnels forming through such rocks over such great distances.
the water level in loch ness is 7m higher than loch mora so that would mean there must be a raised dry portion of tunnel or there would be a constant flow of water from ness to mora. if there was a dry portion of tunnel the monster would have to be capable of moving on dry land which would indicate it would be more like an eel than plesiosaur type animal.
@@debbiehenri345 In fact the type of rock that is far more likely to have substantial caves than any other, is limestone (also sometimes gypsum) and, although there are patches of limestone in Scotland and there are some caves, it is relatively rare and often geological forces have rendered what limestone there is resistant to cave formation. I know of no areas that have rock suitable for substantial cave formation between those two lochs, as you have pointed out and, although there may be caves in other types of rock, none are of any great length. As my friend, who is a trained geologist says, the stories of tunnels between the 2 lochs are told by people who know sod all about either geology, or caving! I also know someone who is in Scotland's only major caving club (the Grampian Speleological Group) and he says that no one he knows believes in such a tunnel! The longest known cave system currently in Scotland is Uamh an Claonaite, just south of Inchnadamph, with a total known passage length of 2.868 km (1.782 miles) and yes, I am sure there are new tunnels still to be discovered there, either by digging out silted, or rubble choked passages, or by diving flooded sections (sumps), but I doubt that anyone who knows anything about caves, or caving, believes that tunnels stretching to some location tens of miles away exist either there, or at any other known Scottish caves! A jump from 1.782 to over 60 miles for Scotland's longest cave record would be unbelievable! (I should add, that there have been man made hydro electric tunnels dug between various lochs, but they are less than 100 years old and none link Loch Morar and Loch Ness!)
Hello from Northern California, Bigfoot country. Forest hill, california!!!! There r things in this world we don't know what it is.. This is a amazing story!!!!
I love that part of the world and visit most years. I spoke briefly with Adrian Shine a few years back and found him to be one of the most sensible intelligent people I have ever had the pleasure to talk to. He is not a sceptic, quite the opposite, he is open and studies his subjects in a neutral way without preconceptions of any kind. I am convinced there is a phenomena/s but no creature.
Loved visiting Loch morar in the 80s and 90s. In my younger days I went with one of my pals and sometimes brother camping. Became good friends with some locals at the time. Would go up on evenings and visit them, having many chats about the monster in the Loch. Described like an eel with fins. One day we were shown part of a kneck bone washed up on the shore line, never seen anything like that before. Definitely had a few drams after that!
I really would like to see research done into the depths and to see if there are underwater caverns that lead out to the ocean by chance and this creature migrates and so you can look for it all year but only find it for 1 week or something of the year, I think finding tunnels, caves, submerged connection caverns might be the answer.
Elderly fishermen said it was like a big eel. It's a big eel then. How big can an eel grow; so big you can break an oar across it's back. That'll do me. No more will i swim in loch, lough or lake.
It seems that they were in reality trying to sink a stag they had shot illegally. Thats what people on shore were witnessing. Thats why two "fishermen" had a rifle with them .....
The scientists in this is actually really cool. He is more open and honest then about any other scientist I have seen. Got to say I appreciate that. It shows a rare bit of brains and common sense.thanks for the video
Interesting viewing! I didn't know that Adrian Shine had spent as much time investigating Morag as Nessie, he is always entertaining to listen to. Loved the photos of that miniature submarine he built for the occasion. The footage of the local scenery is also absolutely gorgeous. Curious that some of the witnesses describe Morag resembling a giant eel, as that is currently one of the most popular Nessie theories especially after the plesiosaur sounds less and less likely with each passing year.
@@salvagemonster3612 who am i then? Ogopogo is not a plesiosaur but more like a nothosaur or basilosaur..zeuglodon. but its more reptile.do ylu want me to ask my intel friends to identify who or what you are? You do know the internet was called the MILnet ( military net) backdoors from the start you idiot#13
The expeditions he talks of with about 100 people, well I was one of them. I was 15 to 17 when I was part of these adventures. We had British army pontoons, National geographic were involved, and some scientist from various universities. we had some Gurka's there also! I was a scuba diver in training, and we would set up underwater camera's, and sonar's etc etc! We would have boats set up drifting on the Loch at night, we would take core samples from the bottom of the Loch over 1000 ft deep with special waited equipment. The things we got up toin the 3 weeks I think we spent for a few summers were fantastic for someone my age! We had many interesting people involved and Adrian was one of them, a very interesting and ambitious man! I do recall him screaming at me once for messing around on an old childs tricycle bombing down the hills! I would love to get back to Scotland sometime to meet up with him. Great days
I’ve seen that bearded old man in Loch Ness specials, apparently he spends his time on lakes not finding anything as a profession, as in someone pays him for it, I’m not making fun of him, I’m jealous
@@darkprose I have no doubt that his probably decades of research at this point have opened a lot of eyes as to the reality of Loch Ness, there simply isn't enough life in that lake to sustain a group of creatures Nessie's size
@sledge hammer Yes. But what about the 1%? Who don't believe in monsters but know that they're real creature's because of a personal experience. Does a lack of education automatically invalidate a real experience? Alternative explanation's go both way's. There are people who deny what they've seen even when it's right in front of them, just as much as people who make monster shapes out of tree's! I've seen people become unconscious because they literally can't handle what they've seen. Adrian Shines is beyond reproach.
I just read an article about a living shark that's been discovered that is supposed to be at least 300 years old. It's easy to imagine that a creature like this could exist here this long with no natural predators and little human meddling in the area.
I was obsessed with sharks when I was a kid. Specifically the Goblin, Hammerhead and the Greenland shark. What caught my attention in my reading, was the longevity the have. It's mostly due to the cold water and lack of enemies. It was in the 90's. My school library had cool books!
Such a beautiful place, I wouldn't mind living there..i would keep a camera on the lake all the time. When you think the oceans are only 2% discovered just imagine lakes that big haven't been completely discovered either. Awesome
In 2019 a sonar sweep was undertaken on Loch Morag, not Monster hunters but for underwater kartographie and they made a huge moving contact on the South end. Could have been a huge amount of school of big fish, who knows?? I would advise not swimming there, just to be safe, aye
It sure is beautiful. I'd live in Scotland if I could. I have family in Aberdeen. Loch Ness has fascinated me ever since I was a child...obsessed to this day with the place and it's history.
I loved this! As a medical student, I persuaded a chum to co-mount an 'expedition' to Morar in November 1978. It rained all the time! Especially in poor light, it's ' very easy to convince yourself you are seeing something: waves-rocks-wind etc, However, a local in the pub vividly told me of his sighting. Might sound corny but it was exactly like the accounts in this video. We also visited an academic at a Scottish university who had a motor boat on Loch Ness. At night, he had watched THREE 'monsters' on his boat's sonar ,just hovering at about 100 feet depth.( He was ostracized for this) As usual, no pictures!
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Great seeing Adrian Shine again. I am continually impressed with his even-minded skepticism, rare for someone who studies local unknowns. I get a little sad reading that owning a bed and breakfast near a weird lake automatically makes a person’s motives questionable; I get some entertainment out of this story. I am familiar with Rupert Gould’s book on Loch Ness from 1934; and I think the Tim Dinsdale film, from 1960, bears much further examination. I think the film reveals a lot of information on a large swimming animal. It seems more than logical that the part actually sticking up out of the water represents maybe less than 10% of the animal’s mass; that the part above water is possibly the animal’s head, yes; and that the majority of the animal, underwater, is visible as “a large shadow” trailing BEHIND what I assume is its head. It’s a fish-shaped shadow, roughly.
Here's a challenge to anyone with Google Earth installed: Using the Historical Imagery option, use the slider to bring up the satellite image from 12/31/2005. From the town of Morar (the Morar Hotel), use the Ruler option to draw a line exactly 4.39 miles to the bay to the East of Lettermorar on the South shore of the loch (56/56/40.83 North by 5/43/01.21 West). Zoom to an eye altitude of 1,000 feet. Examine the four objects close to shore. I call them UAO's (Unidentified Aquatic Objects). Notice the close match in shape & size. Adrian Shine assured me 'You cannot use Google Earth to find monsters'. What do you think these objects are? Frank
@@baz_1239 I like to scan the shoreline of lakes with a history of monster sightings for interesting "Unidentified Aquatic Objects". These are the only ones I have found. I'd like to go there with a drone. If I find nothing, then I'll know that the objects were probably not stationary (rocks) but just passing through...feeding in the shallows? I believe you CAN use Google Earth to find monsters - providing the monsters are big enough.
@@whitesky18 You would use a drone to see if vague shapes on Google Earth from 2005 are still there or not? Why not look just look now on Google Earth? Are the objects still there? If they aren’t, what is the significance of that? Does it mean the objects must have been animals? How is this a good way to find monsters? I think Shine is correct. Sooner or later, you’re going to have to go out there and just look for them, like everyone else. Be sure to let us know if your drone passes over a Morag or two.
Impressive how the documentary failed to transfer the photo from the phone to the video in full resolution. No-no, let’s just record the phone showing the picture… 😂
Not really. I suspect that photo could be worth a lot of money should any further sightings occur. Once you send it electronically to someone else, it’s out of your hands.
My Great uncle from my mother's side of the family used to work as a policeman in Invernessshire back in the 1970s and he was driving past Loch Ness with a colleague whilst he was on duty then he said he saw something he couldn't explain but the creature he saw looked like a monster
Elderly fisherman said it was like a giant reptile,or dinosaur even a pleasiosaur,especially when he broke an oar across it's long neck with a snakelike head sticking up 9 feet!!it's a pleasiosaur then,even an Elasmosaurus..!
Simple it would cause Morag to attack and what would she attack THE BOAT with the researchers on it and when that happens every nutcase on both sides of the Atlantic would come running armed for war just to try and kill the creature.
It’s probably just the eels getting huge in Scotland, living undisturbed for centuries and perhaps even transversing land between the lakes if food gets scarce, snacking upon a few sheep in passing… Could also be the European catfish had survived in these remote waters. They’re reportedly got big enough to swallow a grown man in the middle ages…
Giant eels travelling across land undetected eating sheep along the way 🤣🤦🏻♂️ I think people would be able to tell the difference between a giant catfish and a huge snake like animal too
Maybe the lake monster is 'camera shy' because it's not real. 3:35 print out that image to analyze it properly. We can't tell what it is on a little phone's screen.
While watching the program, something caught my eye when they showed the pretty loch. I looked at it frame by frame because at first I couldn't believe my eyes but I think the camera crew picked something up while showing the loch. Can everyone take a peek at 6.08 right after the gentleman says "well out into the Atlantic" on the middle of the screen towards the left hand side there is something HUGE in the water. It first looks like a ripple or a dark spot in the water but then at 6.09 part of it goes under the water with part of it still exposed. Later in still in 6.09 you can see a splash and a small wave from the "thing" going under the water. At 6.10 there are two parts showing, you can still see the wave, then slowly it submerges completely and that area where the dark spot was in now all water. I tried to look at the image on my full screen but it just blends so if you are looking for this "thing" please use your preview screen so that it is much clearer. Also, my counter for the fames could be off but if you look immediately right after the gentleman says "well out into the Atlantic" you can see it. Maybe it's another Nessie or a Ogopogo Monster also described as a serpent form found in the Okanogan Lake. There one thing all the loch and lake have in common. DEEP water. Hat's off to the camera crew for catching the camera-shy monster themselves.
Celts can trace their culture back to the indus valley, where man eating crocodiles still exist to this day, no doubt the celts through their great verbal folklore would have passed on their history from generation to generation, even as they moved away from the indus into europe and ireland and scotland, fabled stories and overly embellished myths would still have carried the test of time and crocodiles would become lake monsters in the many lochs of scotland
Actually, the Celt's close cousins moved into the Indus Valley and became the Indians, while the Celts moved into Europe where they became the Celts. And that was when it harder to catch up over the phone for a few Millenia.
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Its refreshing to see a researcher use skepticism rather than confirmation bias.
The North Atlantic Steller Sea Cow? Thought extinct around 1750, Though one or two sightings in and around the Berring Sea over the last 40 years. A giant cold water manatee up to 30ft long and weighing several tons. Ditto for Nessie.
GBailey.superhero P.S. I am no Jeremy Wade although I wish I were, I have caught salmon, sturgeon, sail fish catfish, sea bass, flounder, and this was nothing like I had ever seen. It looked to be right out of Jurassic era , the closest thing i could describe it as is pliodonosaurus!! By this time I couldn't of been more than 60 yards. From it and it looked to be 45ft. as it dived.
Adrian Shine poses the right questions about this crypto-creature. I remain open-minded and would never say never, but until there is hard evidence in the form of unequivocal sightings, living specimens or remains, etc, the possibility of there being a population of unidentified large aquatic creatures in Loch Morar or Loch Ness - or indeed in any other lake - is highly unlikely. Mankind has an unfortunate tendency to kill off species of all kinds and though it's possible that there are still unidentified cetaceans in the vastness of the oceans, the likelihood of there being undiscovered organisms of comparative size in comparatively minuscule bodies of nutrient poor water such as Scottish lochs is very remote. As for those who suggest "Morag" might be a giant eel, they are clearly very ignorant of eel biology, behaviour and anatomy.
Oh narrator... You have refered to our beautiful loch as a 'lake' once too many times. The Lake of Manteith is the only lake here, aw the rest are LOCHS xxx
The lake monster of Loch Morar is probably some undiscovered species of marine animals. Just my opinion. Good, well--rounded documentary. There may plenty of ocean and lake creatures presently unknown to science. 🤔❓
"One of the best preserved natural environments on the planet" has seen large-scale, long-term ecological destruction stemming from widespread deforestation.
It started a long, long time ago. Oaks cut down in huge numbers to provide timber to build warships for the British Navy. Logs floated down rivers (like the Spey) but the trees never replaced. The new rich of the industrial revolution buying shooting estates, had a vested interest in burning heather on the denuded hillsides to provide new heather plants and shoots for grouse to eat. These annual burnings, of course, stopped any chance of tree regeneration. Thus were created the heather desert moorlands. Moorlands which are burned every few years, and which have endured for lifetimes. The result? Many, ignorant souls, foolishly believe these widespread moors form the natural landscape.
The vast bulk of Scotland has been stripped of its natural forests and is totally degraded in ecological terms. Who on earth did the research for this programme?
The first loch ness monster documentary I really appreciate and enjoyed apart a 90s Discovery documentary. I enjoy listening to Mr. Shine. Appreciated this video Thank you
I always wonder what people in those kind of places do for work/income. it doesn't look like the states where if you live way out in the country you can always hop on the nearest highway and get to a big town in under an hour
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I'm in Scotland
@@MeekaYammi3554 I'm in Australia
I'm from Scotland
Wonderful man Mr Shine and the people around morag.
I remember him from his exhibitions from the 1970's . Regardless of whether they're giant eels,
or another species of enormous size, they'd still be "monsters." Something's there.
I hope Adrian finally sees it and verifies their existence also. 🐍
It's a beautifully rugged landscape. Scotland is gorgeous.
There are people who still believe the politicians. Believing in monsters in the Scottish lakes is way more rational.
Sooooo true
Can you believe in something that has no evidence ? My rational hat says no
Can not argue with that
Amen
@@johnmaclagan2263 Did you ever believe in Santa Claus or the easter bunny or military inteligence
Been there years ago holidaying in a little caravan . Dad wanted to fish the loch . It felt very remote and we holidayed all over Scotland . Beautiful place Loch Morar ❤️
Wow, I didn't know fruit bats ate fish 😳
I just got back from Lewis the other day
All of a sudden I have the desire to knock back drams of Single Malt with an elder Scotsman who is tellin' tales.
I live in Edinburgh and have driven past Loch Ness numerous times, I've not seen the alleged creature, but you do get that feeling of mystery when you first see the Loch and its black looking water. It's a beautiful place, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a creature living in it.
The people in this video are charismatic.
If I lived there I'd buy a drone and get to work. 50 to 75 feet above the surface, a good 4k camera, at sunrise and before sunset...it it's there you'll see it eventually. A drone is the best way to do this. If the camera is good enough you could go even higher to cover more ground. This would be an amazing way to spend one's later years in my opinion.
I live about 100miles South of morag. I'll head up next weekend and give it a go.
People wasted decades on Nessie so why not?
People follow my friends and I with drones as we surf. I am amazed how small and quite they are. Just amazing technology. Best.
@@stellatrabucco4494 It's a long drive but you could build a YT channel around that. I envy you for having something that interesting that close to scout and document with a drone. I'm subbing to your channel so don't put it off. :)
with advancement of satellite tech/computer tech/sonar tech, it's nearly impossible not to find these creatures.
The residents who reported these sightings would've been very familiar with how the lake's appearance was affected by weather or other varying conditions. So they probably wouldn't think twice about a ripple or a wake or something they'd seen many times before. In other words, they could tell the difference between something that was common to see on the lake's surface, and something that was uncommon.
The secret society's are pushing skepticism
Shine is paid
Most people are. Most people do not see these monsters. But get a group of people around the loch, and maybe one or two will. I think people get the impression that these sightings are common and numerous among the people around the loch-they aren’t. That’s true of all the lakes haunted by monsters. How many tourists see Loch Ness every year? How many see anything exotic? Less than a handful of people report seeing something. You are right as far as it goes, but all it takes is one person-they could be ignorant of boat wakes, they could have poor vision, or, more likely, they are impressionable people who are also ignorant of what waves can do. Or they come there expecting to see a monster, plus they are unaware of what waves can do. Bingo. There’s your monster sighting.
@Boom Diggaty wut
The scottish are feeding the rumors hoping to attract tourists
Oh silly. No they wouldn’t you are making assumptions. Don’t be fooled Or gullible
When I was at school everyone was talking about this, there's a documentary hidden somewhere in the archives where a wee fisherman talks about a cave system that links Loch Ness with Loch Morar ,he says that Nessie lives in the caves and travels between Lochs,sounds daft until you watch this video 🥺
There are sooo many very well done so called documentaries out there in Videoland that to their credit are very professionally done but all most of them accomplish in the end only amounts to packaging lots of bits and pieces of historical (he-said/she-said) folklore ‘data’ and reveal nothing of any real substance in the end. It all makes for stimulating conversation around the possibilities of things and tweaks the imagination but don’t mistake it for vetted truth.
Looking at maps of that area of Scotland, it seems there would have to be a tunnel of at least 60 miles (as the crow flies) to join both lochs. If the rock in that region was purely sedimentary like chalk or sandstone - then yes, a tunnel system is a remote possibility.
However, it's igneous, metamorphic, really hard rocks (I know. I live here on such rock types and it's not something that will just wear down easily).
Thus, I don't believe there can be tunnels forming through such rocks over such great distances.
the water level in loch ness is 7m higher than loch mora so that would mean there must be a raised dry portion of tunnel or there would be a constant flow of water from ness to mora. if there was a dry portion of tunnel the monster would have to be capable of moving on dry land which would indicate it would be more like an eel than plesiosaur type animal.
@@debbiehenri345 In fact the type of rock that is far more likely to have substantial caves than any other, is limestone (also sometimes gypsum) and, although there are patches of limestone in Scotland and there are some caves, it is relatively rare and often geological forces have rendered what limestone there is resistant to cave formation. I know of no areas that have rock suitable for substantial cave formation between those two lochs, as you have pointed out and, although there may be caves in other types of rock, none are of any great length. As my friend, who is a trained geologist says, the stories of tunnels between the 2 lochs are told by people who know sod all about either geology, or caving! I also know someone who is in Scotland's only major caving club (the Grampian Speleological Group) and he says that no one he knows believes in such a tunnel! The longest known cave system currently in Scotland is Uamh an Claonaite, just south of Inchnadamph, with a total known passage length of 2.868 km (1.782 miles) and yes, I am sure there are new tunnels still to be discovered there, either by digging out silted, or rubble choked passages, or by diving flooded sections (sumps), but I doubt that anyone who knows anything about caves, or caving, believes that tunnels stretching to some location tens of miles away exist either there, or at any other known Scottish caves! A jump from 1.782 to over 60 miles for Scotland's longest cave record would be unbelievable! (I should add, that there have been man made hydro electric tunnels dug between various lochs, but they are less than 100 years old and none link Loch Morar and Loch Ness!)
Nope no cave or tunnels
Adrian Shine - how cool can you possibly get? This man is a living legend
Simply to live in such a beautiful landspacs, next to such a beautiful lock, is awesome beyond measures. Blessed be these happy people.
Hello from Northern California, Bigfoot country. Forest hill, california!!!! There r things in this world we don't know what it is.. This is a amazing story!!!!
Let me see if I understand you correctly: We don’t know everything, so bigfoot and Nessie are real?
@@darkprose who knows
Bigfoot stole my girlfriend.
@@Rick_Cleland 😳😂
Big foot isn't real
Adrian Shine is a very nice man to meet and speak with. I was lucky to meet him in 1998 at Loch Ness
This series is awesome!
I love that part of the world and visit most years. I spoke briefly with Adrian Shine a few years back and found him to be one of the most sensible intelligent people I have ever had the pleasure to talk to. He is not a sceptic, quite the opposite, he is open and studies his subjects in a neutral way without preconceptions of any kind. I am convinced there is a phenomena/s but no creature.
He himself is the stuff of legend.
Loved visiting Loch morar in the 80s and 90s. In my younger days I went with one of my pals and sometimes brother camping. Became good friends with some locals at the time. Would go up on evenings and visit them, having many chats about the monster in the Loch. Described like an eel with fins. One day we were shown part of a kneck bone washed up on the shore line, never seen anything like that before. Definitely had a few drams after that!
I really would like to see research done into the depths and to see if there are underwater caverns that lead out to the ocean by chance and this creature migrates and so you can look for it all year but only find it for 1 week or something of the year, I think finding tunnels, caves, submerged connection caverns might be the answer.
I'd love to see a deep sea research team dive down with a deep ocean submersible to explore like when they film the thermal vents and stuff.
The camera work in this is absolutely awesome! Props to whoever made this look the way it does it's beautiful.
Elderly fishermen said it was like a big eel. It's a big eel then. How big can an eel grow; so big you can break an oar across it's back. That'll do me. No more will i swim in loch, lough or lake.
No the elderly fisherman said it was like a plesiasaur!
A big pleasiosaur!
It seems that they were in reality trying to sink a stag they had shot illegally. Thats what people on shore were witnessing. Thats why two "fishermen" had a rifle with them .....
There is no monster in Scotland
@@mr-mrsknow-it-all2998 Who said there was ?
@@mr-mrsknow-it-all2998 I never met an irrational Scot. The Nessie enthusiasts are all foreigners.
The scientists in this is actually really cool. He is more open and honest then about any other scientist I have seen. Got to say I appreciate that. It shows a rare bit of brains and common sense.thanks for the video
Thank you for the education of the parallel Lake to loch Ness. Great show!
This is a really good interesting programme,and it's good to hear for a change of another loch other than Ness.One of Nessie's relatives perhaps?
Look, it's pretty damn offensive of you to suggest all monsters are automatically related. Shame.
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Interesting viewing! I didn't know that Adrian Shine had spent as much time investigating Morag as Nessie, he is always entertaining to listen to. Loved the photos of that miniature submarine he built for the occasion. The footage of the local scenery is also absolutely gorgeous. Curious that some of the witnesses describe Morag resembling a giant eel, as that is currently one of the most popular Nessie theories especially after the plesiosaur sounds less and less likely with each passing year.
Plesiosaur sounds more and more likely each year.
@@jquest43 oh oh no. We know who you are silly boy. No plesiosaurs here. And they don’t have any stick MONSTERS either.
@@salvagemonster3612 who am i then? Ogopogo is not a plesiosaur but more like a nothosaur or basilosaur..zeuglodon. but its more reptile.do ylu want me to ask my intel friends to identify who or what you are? You do know the internet was called the MILnet ( military net) backdoors from the start you idiot#13
The expeditions he talks of with about 100 people, well I was one of them. I was 15 to 17 when I was part of these adventures. We had British army pontoons, National geographic were involved, and some scientist from various universities. we had some Gurka's there also! I was a scuba diver in training, and we would set up underwater camera's, and sonar's etc etc! We would have boats set up drifting on the Loch at night, we would take core samples from the bottom of the Loch over 1000 ft deep with special waited equipment. The things we got up toin the 3 weeks I think we spent for a few summers were fantastic for someone my age! We had many interesting people involved and Adrian was one of them, a very interesting and ambitious man! I do recall him screaming at me once for messing around on an old childs tricycle bombing down the hills! I would love to get back to Scotland sometime to meet up with him. Great days
I’ve seen that bearded old man in Loch Ness specials, apparently he spends his time on lakes not finding anything as a profession, as in someone pays him for it, I’m not making fun of him, I’m jealous
Adrian Shine is a real Gentleman, his vast experience and logic are hard to ignore......
I have no doubt that he's a real gentleman, he'd have to be to continually have people fund his research when he constantly comes up with nothing
@@Bombaycat Come up with nothing? Really? You don’t have a clue how clueless you are. His research on the loch is invaluable.
lochnessproject.org
@@darkprose I have no doubt that his probably decades of research at this point have opened a lot of eyes as to the reality of Loch Ness, there simply isn't enough life in that lake to sustain a group of creatures Nessie's size
@sledge hammer Yes. But what about the 1%? Who don't believe in monsters but know that they're real creature's because of a personal experience. Does a lack of education automatically invalidate a real experience? Alternative explanation's go both way's. There are people who deny what they've seen even when it's right in front of them, just as much as people who make monster shapes out of tree's! I've seen people become unconscious because they literally can't handle what they've seen. Adrian Shines is beyond reproach.
Great episode . What a beautiful place to live.
I always wonder what they do for work though. doesn't look like theres much for industry or business.
@@gristamshackleford2102
Monster tourism probably.
You cant believe a word they are saying
@@gristamshackleford2102 mostly crofters or will travel through to mallaig for work .fair amount o tourism too
Beautiful country, what a lovely place to live
I came back from a holiday in Loch Ness yesterday and sir ranulph fiennes was at the Loch Ness experience!
I just read an article about a living shark that's been discovered that is supposed to be at least 300 years old. It's easy to imagine that a creature like this could exist here this long with no natural predators and little human meddling in the area.
I think you're talking about the Greenland Shark right? I watched a documentary on it recently, very interesting
I was obsessed with sharks when I was a kid. Specifically the Goblin, Hammerhead and the Greenland shark. What caught my attention in my reading, was the longevity the have. It's mostly due to the cold water and lack of enemies. It was in the 90's. My school library had cool books!
Such a beautiful place, I wouldn't mind living there..i would keep a camera on the lake all the time. When you think the oceans are only 2% discovered just imagine lakes that big haven't been completely discovered either. Awesome
They have been discovered enough to know such a creature doesn't live there.
@Wee chocolate bananas im Scottish and i cant handle them lol
In 2019 a sonar sweep was undertaken on Loch Morag, not Monster hunters but for underwater kartographie and they made a huge moving contact on the South end.
Could have been a huge amount of school of big fish, who knows??
I would advise not swimming there, just to be safe, aye
It's loch Morar
I LOVE THAT SAYING WHEN YOU LOVE SOME PLACE YOU WANT TO KEEP IT TO YOUR SELF !
I wish Adrian Shine was my neighbor. I could talk with that guy for hours.
Scotland is just beautiful
It sure is beautiful. I'd live in Scotland if I could. I have family in Aberdeen. Loch Ness has fascinated me ever since I was a child...obsessed to this day with the place and it's history.
I loved this! As a medical student, I persuaded a chum to co-mount an 'expedition' to Morar in November 1978. It rained all the time! Especially in poor light, it's ' very easy to convince yourself you are seeing something: waves-rocks-wind etc, However, a local in the pub vividly told me of his sighting. Might sound corny but it was exactly like the accounts in this video. We also visited an academic at a Scottish university who had a motor boat on Loch Ness. At night, he had watched THREE 'monsters' on his boat's sonar ,just hovering at about 100 feet depth.( He was ostracized for this) As usual, no pictures!
Adrian Shine is my newest hero.
I believe Adrian Shine was the child who told his pre-school class Santa Clause didn’t exist.
Has anyone ever decided to do a deep sea submersible in these lakes? just to take a look whats in them and have a better look at the very least?
The Shiver is becoming my favourite channel for Cryptid Documentaries now ! Any other channels or documentary so interactive like this one ? Please share everyone. Thanks a ton.
Mr Ballen is a good channel for odd mysteries
@@jacksimper5725 I've watched Mr Ballen's channel. Beyond Creepy (Mr Black) is very good as well. He features content that I've never seen elsewhere.
Bob gymlan is amazing with crytids and unusual sightings .
How can you hear so many Scots call it a loch and still say lake in the final cut.
I know, I'm a Scot living in Australia and this still disappoints me 🤔
Great seeing Adrian Shine again. I am continually impressed with his even-minded skepticism, rare for someone who studies local unknowns. I get a little sad reading that owning a bed and breakfast near a weird lake automatically makes a person’s motives questionable; I get some entertainment out of this story.
I am familiar with Rupert Gould’s book on Loch Ness from 1934; and I think the Tim Dinsdale film, from 1960, bears much further examination. I think the film reveals a lot of information on a large swimming animal.
It seems more than logical that the part actually sticking up out of the water represents maybe less than 10% of the animal’s mass; that the part above water is possibly the animal’s head, yes; and that the majority of the animal, underwater, is visible as “a large shadow” trailing BEHIND what I assume is its head. It’s a fish-shaped shadow, roughly.
Here's a challenge to anyone with Google Earth installed: Using the Historical Imagery option, use the slider to bring up the satellite image from 12/31/2005. From the town of Morar (the Morar Hotel), use the Ruler option to draw a line exactly 4.39 miles to the bay to the East of Lettermorar on the South shore of the loch (56/56/40.83 North by 5/43/01.21 West). Zoom to an eye altitude of 1,000 feet. Examine the four objects close to shore. I call them UAO's (Unidentified Aquatic Objects). Notice the close match in shape & size.
Adrian Shine assured me 'You cannot use Google Earth to find monsters'. What do you think these objects are?
Frank
How the hell did you find this
@@baz_1239 I like to scan the shoreline of lakes with a history of monster sightings for interesting "Unidentified Aquatic Objects". These are the only ones I have found.
I'd like to go there with a drone. If I find nothing, then I'll know that the objects were probably not stationary (rocks) but just passing through...feeding in the shallows?
I believe you CAN use Google Earth to find monsters - providing the monsters are big enough.
@@baz_1239 And, if you look one small bay to the East, you'll see another UAO, identical in size and shape to the others, doing it's thing alone.
@@whitesky18 Brilliant, great spotting this 👍
@@whitesky18 You would use a drone to see if vague shapes on Google Earth from 2005 are still there or not? Why not look just look now on Google Earth? Are the objects still there? If they aren’t, what is the significance of that? Does it mean the objects must have been animals? How is this a good way to find monsters? I think Shine is correct. Sooner or later, you’re going to have to go out there and just look for them, like everyone else. Be sure to let us know if your drone passes over a Morag or two.
No fair! They have Nessie already! 😄😋 I love the accent! Hi! From Finland 😊
Haha aye day yah 🤣 🏴
Haha aye day yah 🤣 🏴
Naw he disnae
@@craigsibley8161 😊
lime caves can go a long way under ground
It is odd they didn’t show any of the photos the people had taken close up.
Exactly what I thought!! Definitely something fishy about that. Can't believe why more people haven't picked up on this
Impressive how the documentary failed to transfer the photo from the phone to the video in full resolution. No-no, let’s just record the phone showing the picture… 😂
The point i was going to make . Doesnt lend much to credibility .
Not really. I suspect that photo could be worth a lot of money should any further sightings occur. Once you send it electronically to someone else, it’s out of your hands.
@@sandfly60 Good one!
enjoyed this, the MacNeil lady was very nice to see :D
My Great uncle from my mother's side of the family used to work as a policeman in Invernessshire back in the 1970s and he was driving past Loch Ness with a colleague whilst he was on duty then he said he saw something he couldn't explain but the creature he saw looked like a monster
God created the most gorgeous earth!! Now bad people are ruining it all!! Please, just love each other and this beautiful planet!!🙏🙏👣👣🙏🙏🙏
He’s not just a naturalist he’s the rarer 19th century naturalist!
So this is what Gandalf has been doing
I reckon the old man saw the monster and pretended it was a rock to protect its survival.
Elderly fisherman said it was like a giant reptile,or dinosaur even a pleasiosaur,especially when he broke an oar across it's long neck with a snakelike head sticking up 9 feet!!it's a pleasiosaur then,even an Elasmosaurus..!
Must have been a strong elderly fisherman to break an oar! I suspect he was touting for free drinks in the local pub.
It could be any Englishman!
A giant eel can travel around a dam barrier as eels can cross dry land to get to water ,not a problem for a eel!
Whatya doin here in my waters? ........im old Gregg!!! 😂😂
Schottland is a strange country ! a bit diffikult for me to fully understaend what was said , but anyway captivating ! kisses from Switzerland Gstaad
The deer swimming in loch surprised me.
in the Solomon islands is often seen a "dragon snake" with many ufo-uso characteristics with resemblance to this
Excellent presentation
Theres nothing better than the Scottish accent, its glorious. As a Texan i unfortunately never get to hear it 😔
What an absolutely beautiful place! I would love to visit.
What an atmospheric location
Why not use echo location recordings of whales to draw it to you. Predators dont like it when other predators invade their territory.
I think they should pipe in some Rush Limbaugh down there. Lake monsters generally like conservative talk radio. Prove they don’t!
it would take some kind of scientific team to do that and most scientists don't believe in this stuff. good idea though
Simple it would cause Morag to attack and what would she attack THE BOAT with the researchers on it and when that happens every nutcase on both sides of the Atlantic would come running armed for war just to try and kill the creature.
They did do this in Loch Ness. Over three months and found nothing.
From what the witness, (the lassie from the B and B), said, it sounds to me like a black underwater camel.
It’s probably just the eels getting huge in Scotland, living undisturbed for centuries and perhaps even transversing land between the lakes if food gets scarce, snacking upon a few sheep in passing… Could also be the European catfish had survived in these remote waters. They’re reportedly got big enough to swallow a grown man in the middle ages…
Giant eels travelling across land undetected eating sheep along the way 🤣🤦🏻♂️ I think people would be able to tell the difference between a giant catfish and a huge snake like animal too
@@SonnyBlakk187 Ok, let me just come right out and state my true belief: The Loch Ness Monster!
Funny it's not being comersalised it is now 😂 never heard of this before.😳
Lived in Scotland all my life (41 years now) and I've never heard of this creature lol
Maybe the lake monster is 'camera shy' because it's not real.
3:35 print out that image to analyze it properly. We can't tell what it is on a little phone's screen.
Don’t forget the wee Kranky….
The most vile creature to ever crawl out the depths !
Nice 👍🏼 I would love to move to Morag
Apri, Morag is the name of the Monster,the name of the village is Morar and the loch is Loch Morar
Giant eels sounds plausible, but if lakes connect with the sea ,who can say what visits from time to time ,?
While watching the program, something caught my eye when they showed the pretty loch.
I looked at it frame by frame because at first I couldn't believe my eyes but I think the camera crew picked something up while showing the loch.
Can everyone take a peek at 6.08 right after the gentleman says "well out into the Atlantic" on the middle of the screen towards the left hand side there is something HUGE in the water.
It first looks like a ripple or a dark spot in the water but then at 6.09 part of it goes under the water with part of it still exposed.
Later in still in 6.09 you can see a splash and a small wave from the "thing" going under the water.
At 6.10 there are two parts showing, you can still see the wave, then slowly it submerges completely and that area where the dark spot was in now all water.
I tried to look at the image on my full screen but it just blends so if you are looking for this "thing" please use your preview screen so that it is much clearer.
Also, my counter for the fames could be off but if you look immediately right after the gentleman says "well out into the Atlantic" you can see it.
Maybe it's another Nessie or a Ogopogo Monster also described as a serpent form found in the Okanogan Lake.
There one thing all the loch and lake have in common.
DEEP water.
Hat's off to the camera crew for catching the camera-shy monster themselves.
6:09 you here left of the sreen in the water over the trees? That could be just anything
Celts can trace their culture back to the indus valley, where man eating crocodiles still exist to this day, no doubt the celts through their great verbal folklore would have passed on their history from generation to generation, even as they moved away from the indus into europe and ireland and scotland, fabled stories and overly embellished myths would still have carried the test of time and crocodiles would become lake monsters in the many lochs of scotland
Actually, the Celt's close cousins moved into the Indus Valley and became the Indians, while the Celts moved into Europe where they became the Celts. And that was when it harder to catch up over the phone for a few Millenia.
Its refreshing to see a researcher use skepticism rather than confirmation bias.
So now Scotland has another lake monster
There are actually 34 reported loch creatures in Scotland.
Always has had, its only new to Americans.
"summer" in scotland - you gotta laugh
Kind of like "winter" in Florida.
Actually the weather is often warm, and there are almost 24 hours of daylight to play around with.
@@mikesaunders4775 Yes, the midges love it.....
So when is the series gonna cover the haggis that hops around fields on one leg?
Not one leg, two short legs and two long legs so they can easily run round hills.
Do you know the correct way to slaughter a wild haggis? After you catch it you put it in a sack and stamp on it. Its the most humane way
@@kerosenezen i heard after you stamp on it long enougth the grass and herbs it was eating turns into yummy stuffing
@@kayden5238 its a magical thing lol
Yer ex girlfriend?
the macneil-family are shure right from that loch. totally kindly friendly minds , nice.
h.m.
I kept waiting for something to be said about boogeymen.
It’s a Canadian TV programme, called Bogeymen they’ve just cut the ads out
Here in Scotland, it's a Loch, not a Lake lol
Never saw a Morag in Scotland only Toerags and plenty of em.
Aye I wid concur wi' that ma freend!
What a great theme song. A little reminiscent of The Specials.
The North Atlantic Steller Sea Cow?
Thought extinct around 1750, Though one or two sightings in and around the Berring Sea over the last 40 years.
A giant cold water manatee up to 30ft long and weighing several tons. Ditto for Nessie.
Thats the best possibility ive heard in a very long time. Nice.
GBailey.superhero P.S. I am no Jeremy Wade although I wish I were, I have caught salmon, sturgeon, sail fish catfish, sea bass, flounder, and this was nothing like I had ever seen. It looked to be right out of Jurassic era , the closest thing i could describe it as is pliodonosaurus!! By this time I couldn't of been more than 60 yards. From it and it looked to be 45ft. as it dived.
Adrian Shine poses the right questions about this crypto-creature. I remain open-minded and would never say never, but until there is hard evidence in the form of unequivocal sightings, living specimens or remains, etc, the possibility of there being a population of unidentified large aquatic creatures in Loch Morar or Loch Ness - or indeed in any other lake - is highly unlikely. Mankind has an unfortunate tendency to kill off species of all kinds and though it's possible that there are still unidentified cetaceans in the vastness of the oceans, the likelihood of there being undiscovered organisms of comparative size in comparatively minuscule bodies of nutrient poor water such as Scottish lochs is very remote. As for those who suggest "Morag" might be a giant eel, they are clearly very ignorant of eel biology, behaviour and anatomy.
Lots of eels for food.
The northern lights reflected off of swamp gas.
Off of off of swamp gas.
Oh narrator... You have refered to our beautiful loch as a 'lake' once too many times. The Lake of Manteith is the only lake here, aw the rest are LOCHS xxx
The lake monster of Loch Morar is probably some undiscovered species of marine animals. Just my opinion. Good, well--rounded documentary. There may plenty of ocean and lake creatures presently unknown to science. 🤔❓
"One of the best preserved natural environments on the planet" has seen large-scale, long-term ecological destruction stemming from widespread deforestation.
It started a long, long time ago. Oaks cut down in huge numbers to provide timber to build warships for the British Navy. Logs floated down rivers (like the Spey) but the trees never replaced. The new rich of the industrial revolution buying shooting estates, had a vested interest in burning heather on the denuded hillsides to provide new heather plants and shoots for grouse to eat. These annual burnings, of course, stopped any chance of tree regeneration. Thus were created the heather desert moorlands. Moorlands which are burned every few years, and which have endured for lifetimes. The result? Many, ignorant souls, foolishly believe these widespread moors form the natural landscape.
The vast bulk of Scotland has been stripped of its natural forests and is totally degraded in ecological terms. Who on earth did the research for this programme?
@@peterashby-saracen3681 an idiot - cant even say Loch
Nicola sturgeon being the first monster yes ?
She’s gorgeous
The number of commercial breaks makes it unwatchable!
it occurs to me that the scotts enjoy telling a good story here and there.
ONE "T"
The first loch ness monster documentary I really appreciate and enjoyed apart a 90s Discovery documentary.
I enjoy listening to Mr. Shine.
Appreciated this video
Thank you
Neil The Eel needs more PR.
One problem with Adriane wake idea. Most seeing these sightings are experienced boat water people use to being around the lake,,. Most likely a hoax
Curious as to what rock terrain maybe lying beneath the water, what they witnessed could very well be peaks of mountain as water rises and fall.?
I think it's like ghost sightings. Images cooked in time
Very beautiful part of Scotland
Maybe its Nessie
Maybe it's Maybelline
I always wonder what people in those kind of places do for work/income. it doesn't look like the states where if you live way out in the country you can always hop on the nearest highway and get to a big town in under an hour
I have seen supernatural entities ,including animal form so it might also apply to morar !
There's no monsters or lock Ness but it is a money maker for someone
There’s no Loch Ness ? You sure