The Devil Has Always Been in Popular Music | Jonathan Pageau
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"One night, in the year 1713 I dreamed I had made a pact with the devil for my soul. Everything went as I wished: my new servant anticipated my every desire. Among other things, I gave him my violin to see if he could play. How great was my astonishment on hearing a sonata so wonderful and so beautiful, played with such great art and intelligence, as I had never even conceived in my boldest flights of fantasy. I felt enraptured, transported, enchanted: my breath failed me, and I awoke. I immediately grasped my violin in order to retain, in part at least, the impression of my dream. In vain! The music which I at this time composed is indeed the best that I ever wrote, and I still call it the "Devil's Trill", but the difference between it and that which so moved me is so great that I would have destroyed my instrument and have said farewell to music forever if it had been possible for me to live without the enjoyment it affords me."
This is a Classical composer, Giuseppe Tartini and his story about his most famous piece "The Devil's Trill Sonata", I must admit, it's very beautiful music, if nobody told you it came from the devil, people would not assign it to him
Thats because it couldnt have and it didnt. The devil does not have one single iota of creativity. Only God, has creativity, beauty and art. ( mic drop )
9:54 ‘carnival is all the time’ in our culture today
Rene Geunon calls it a perpetual carnival. This is Clown World.
Yes, we're now living full time in the Upside Down.
Playing with our transgressions. Interesting how the last thing Jonathan said to me is kinda like thinking about how our dopaminergic system wants novelty and becoming used to habits everyday that are upside down. So that’s why the incorporations of fasts is good because it resets us and allows the night of drinking and playing cards to be more meaningful again.
Yes!
sad. The reason everything is becoming more and more chaotic is because the demons are taking over more and more slowly, and this is their mantra, chaos and upside down.
Years ago I've noticed that there is another, very subtle but profound connection between music and the devil. Throughout different genres I came across very popular and 'catchy' songs which had lyrics that seem to be in part very relatable to people, but also had verses/lines in them that make you just wonder what they actually mean. It was just impossible to fully 'encrypt' the whole song but it felt somewhat suspicious to me. Then it came to me, that the meaning would fully unlock, even in the smallest details, if you consider the devil himself speaking. This way even the verses that you thought to understand before, changed their meaning within the new context of this perspective.
So I basically found the lyrics make sense on a surface level (usually not everything though) and then there is a whole other underlying, hidden message there, from the actual devils' pov. And people are happily singing along, without any clue at all.
But it isn't only music, though. If you look for it, you can find this connection everywhere actually, in popular culture, in the storylines of books, movies, tv shows, whatever. It has been a big and steady influence on society, for a long time, in order to slowly shape the minds and the general way of thinking, thus preparing people to embrace the great deception that is to come.
But to me the thing with the lyrics stands out in this evil scheme of things, because
it literally puts words of blasphemy in people's mouths and make them party to it.
More or less began to notice this too.
Yes, thats why it states in the bible that "The whole world lies in the lap of satan" and "satan is the god of this world"...
This is literally why I can't listen to worldly songs. Every time I would listen I would start discerning the voice of the enemy in a lot of the lyrics.
Yep. I have to work in an environment where they play them all day long, top 40, but still horrible. I have to pray before i go into wk, or else my brain brings them up during the night, its like a nightmare!!
I was JUST THINKING
"Man the music scene is always so suspicious, I wonder if Jonathan Pageau has anything to say about this..."
Then I saw this 10 mins later in my recommendations 😮
Or did you see it 10 minutes later in your recommendations and then think "I wonder.." 10 minutes before?
😅
Jonathan dropping a video when I’m opening my lunch is 👨🍳 💋
Freak out, as we called it. A bad trip was also called a freak out.
Turn off the TV and read a classic book.
He's always been in there too.
Hitler didn’t play violent video games.
That's what I ALWAYS tell my oldest son...called Jonah.😂
@@bradicas5359lolwut
So simple but damn hard. The "TV" is my phone. I'm addicted
I would love to hear a little bit about jazz or more particularly John Coltrane, notably his opus “A Love Supreme”
Paganini was before Robert Johnson
We understand that. Thanks.
Tartini was before Paganini.
Tartarus was before Tartini
@@cymbolic_space1832Dionysius was before Tartarus 🤓
Prefer Led Zeppelin myself.
Of course we can always throw the baby out with the bath water.
Rock n Roll anyone?
Ive always seen that since modern music finds its roots in the classical era and the classical era was dominated by catholic nations that those symbolisms would just carry over.
Catholicism has a lot of dark macabre imagery and will depict the devil and demons a lot of the time, but mostly in a negative light. Theres still this sense of godliness that the human spirit will triumph over him.
Its why when people say stuff like Doom the video game or the exorcist and stuff like that is satanic. How is a game where you shoot demons for being evil or a movie where priests fight a demon possessing a young girl promoting satan?
Thats because catholism is a false religion that seems to have a form of godliness but lacks the power to save. It has seeds of paganism all over it, meaningless ritual and alot of demonic .
The devil influences you to remain unconsciously bound in the conceptual world. Whether that's getting caught up in music, food, drugs, or religion. Actual vs conceptual. Truth vs false. Where will you invest your energy, aka place your faith? The world is the popular story about reality, in which you are imprisoned. The devil works to maintain the story so that you cannot see reality where God is revealed.
conceptual food?
@hmfogptditf maybe it's the difference in how you consume food, more-so in the sense of, do you take the time to make it, or do you just get fast food? Other than that, I have no idea how food comes into it haha
@@hmfogptditf food is a concept. Any description is conceptual. So you can get completely distracted from reality by getting lost in the complex conceptual world of food.
@@larrydunivin240 food is not a concept as witnessed by the fact i can do nothing but think about it all day every day but if i dont actually eat any i will starve regardless.
@@hmfogptditf this is going deeper than my intended mention of food in my original comment. But still, food is a concept. A clue is the fact that you said you think about it. Thoughts are concepts. Thoughts are a funny thing in that they only refer to other thoughts. Throughout the day you think about thoughts. Your thoughts about food only relates to other thoughts about food. The thing you call food is actually something else that is quite miraculous.
The night before an important music contest I dreamt I was at a party, there were a lot of music people, very famous people, one of them approached me and she asked "the chief is coming, are you ready?", and I knew in my guts she was talking about the devil. I escaped from a window using the curtains. And the day after I read the contract when they picked me, they would own my image and whatever artistic thing, even not related to music, would come out of my head, for 5 years, and after that another 5 years where they would take 50% of my all my artistic earnings. I said something really weird during the photos moment and they did not call me back that year, but the year after they did, and I told them I was busy with my life. It will always scare me. The idea that someone owns you, created you, gave you money, invested on you, and can destroy your career and your life anytime, that's crazy. I feel music should heal, and to do that it must be authentic, and carry power gracefully. They are totally removing authenticity from the arts, no more healing from the arts is warfare, that's really evil. With time it will make more damages than any real war. I am not a believer, I don't follow any religion, I have been baptised at birth but the only thing I can say about religions is that they are used to manipulate the population. We have to start believing in ourselves, but first we have to become ourselves, like real people, authentic people, people who tell the truth, people who do not avoid elephants in the rooms, and can address issues wisely and openly.
Yes, satan doesnt have a creative bone in his body, and what he desires more then anything is to be worshipped. So he makes pple famous and then he owns them and all of the songs that arent Christian are all singing to him and giving the devil glory. He also really loves to take good gospel singers and turn them, he does this ALOT..religion is also one of his constructs, he uses it to give the person a form of godliness but it lacks the power to save. Im a Christian, in saying that I dont ascribe to any denomination/religion, but to the knowledge that The Lord Jesus Christ died to save me from my sins, hell and the devil..and He is the original creator who was creating in the beginning with God. He actually created the devil, but God, being the gracious One that He is, gives all His created beings a free will, and the devil (lucifer) decided he wanted to be his own god, and trick/force humans to worship him instead of him worshipping his own Creator..
2:00 "The best way to understand it is that it has to do with the passions. Everything goes down into the hips."
Jonathan said this line and it jumped out at me. Because I'm a Heavy Metal fan, and Metal doesn't get you to move your hips it gets you to move your head in the form of headbanging. Do different types of music affect different parts of your soul?
Darkening the mind
Good question!
@@KageMinowara that’s interesting to think about. I’m definitely going to pay attention when listening to music. It probably really does affect in that way.
Head banging seems to me about releasing the frustration that you feel through your head. Much like moshing is about releasing frustration through physical aggression and touch.
But interestingly these are spaces where men are allowed to do these things without being judged for it and typically people will stop if someone falls down. It’s probably the last of the spaces for men which is why moshing and head banging are still a big deal.
I don’t mosh but my husband has been a metal core drummer for most of his life so I do know about the scene.
@@francestaylor9156 it temporarily releases frustration. It also creates a cycle of always needing to do so which creates a cycle of needing to be frustrated. That’s the deception. Much like a good vent session. Start venting to get that frustration out but then those words keep entering your head like an echo that gets louder and louder over time until that all you hear.
Devil: “You’ll never get through this storm.”
Me: “ At least I didn’t loose my gold fiddle to a man down in Georgia.”
Devil got him with pride though
Just remember, The devil always gets the tool back.
@@keithcampbell7820 I haven’t heard weather the devil ever did though
@@jenniferflower9265 , The devil has weathered the storms quite well so far.
@@keithcampbell7820 with that attitude, sounds like he’ll win.😉
Read René Guénon On the Symbolism on Carnival. The idea of the Dionysian Frenzy is directly incorporated into Rave culture. Fire spinning, Burn Culture, Repetitive hypnotic EDM beats, Psychedelic Drugs.
I’m not sure the Robert Johnson story is the bedrock of Rock n Roll either
Maybe the bedrock to your argument of the devils music nonsense
The origins of the blues are poorly documented, but it is believed that after the American Civil War (1861-65), formerly enslaved African Americans and their descendants created this genre while working on Southern plantations, taking inspiration from hymns, minstrel show music, work songs and field hollers, ragtime,
So blues is an expression of emotion filled with creative slang terms
A people’s that overcame slavery and forced to fight in a war for their freedom
This could easily be an expression of the painful life Robert Johnson experienced
Yet all you hear is the literal translation because you have no connection to the history or understanding of the music itself
The inability to grasp the difference between the literal and figurative permeates society in North America.
There is a "spirit" associated with music. 20th century music is absolutely littered with blatant occult/new age references.
Wow I'd never thought about a civilisation entering a 'carnival' 'clown-world' phase at the end of it's time under the sun. That begs the question upon which civilisations on earth is the sun currently rising (evidenced by cultural sobrierty) and on which is the sun setting (evidenced by cultural hedonism) ? There was a book written on this in the 70s called 'Modern Art and the Death of a Culture'. It offers a perspective on the cultural turmoil of the radical sixties and its impact on today's world, as reflected in the art of the time. It describes the social, historical and philosophical context of modern art and culture from a Christian perspective, including material on Western European art from the Renaissance onward.
Great comment. it’s going to get much worse in the next 20 years. When the younger generation that has never been without Internet grows up the world will be absolutely insane.
You need contrast to see. You cannot identify something if you haven't seen it before. It maintains the cycle, because there is a cyclical (not circulare) aspect to the self similar fractalicality of the universe.
Sounds like an excuse to sin.
I learned from J,Peterson that perception, if essential, is instinctive, such as fear of snakes. The whole of Christian behaviour is based upon the reception of influence from the Holy Spirit. It would be disingenuous to dismiss this phenomena if you simply are averse to the name of the source as too many people over the millenia have described this process.
At one point does the fractal nature break down though, hours/minutes/seconds? Should we be spending 8 of every 60 seconds in carnival/excess? Certainly not. It does seem like the fractal nature breaks down at some point, and we aggregate up the smaller points of time to what is perceptible at a larger scale.
Also, it seems like carnival’s purpose maybe goes beyond contrast. It seems like it’s a moment where attention/the ability to attend to any hierarchy breaks down, which is why it’s associated with drunkenness, lots of different forms of strange entertainment happening concurrently. Its purpose is to scatter, not just provide contrast. The contrast is necessary to see what is worth gathering back together when carnival ends. When you’re not in carnival, you’re too busy gathering together, to recognize what should be left behind, that’s causing a dissonance to the identity of what’s being gathered.
The Rolling Stones - Sympathy For The Devil
I'm 47 and it was about a year ago when I finally paid attention to the words of that song. It was eye opening.
Also "I write the songs" - Barry Manilow
Thanks again
Fascinating and insightful... ☝️😎
Archaic.
I would pay money to see Jonathan react to the band Ghost and/or their concert footage.
What would the Orthodox equivalent to Mardi Gras be? Every celebration seems much more subdued to the point where I can't think of a true equivalent. And is Mardi Gras more of a post-schism thing?
Each culture has their own. I feel like in America it is subdued because of the Protestant influence.
Mardi Gras isn't post schism. But I'm not sure what the Orthodox equivalent would be. Great question.
You can just google Greek or Russian carnival and you will see the terms immediately.
It's called Meat Fare
@@mudpuppin3tt3s I don't consider that equivalent because the carnival aspect isn't there.
I don't know how accurate this carnival stuff is. Sounds like post 60s bollocks
A Girardian analysis would be beneficial about this...
Yes!
Where is the rest of this?
In the Netherlands, soon, a new themed attraction called Dance Macabre will be opened in the Efteling (they also show footage of TH-cam).
Inspired by the play, Dance Macabre, and featuring the music itself. It's loaded with symbolism.
I needed a good laugh, thank you.
It seems Jonathan didn't take Christopher Ruocchio's advice to listen to After Forever by Black Sabbath. They are a Christian band. I don't understand where his idea that they're satanic comes from when they all wore giant crosses, wrote explicitly Christian lyrics, and Tony Iommi even had crosses as fret inlays on his signature guitars. Not inverted crosses. Just crosses.
True, the sing about the devil in a cautionary way
That song endorses God and Jesus Christ yet they have another song "Under the sun" that rejects God and encourages people to believe in themselves.
“JUDAS” by Lady Gaga
Carnival has a lot more to say than rolling a cheese down a hill.
It's insane to think that any christian would think that Christ would want us to do that. He sais be holy as I am holy.
Jesus at the wedding feast, making more wine.
Sadely, he is everywhere.
Is that David Koresh?
Let’s not put Robert Johnson and Sam Smith in the same conversation. I mean come on. lol.
Why?
@@TheOrthodoxPunjabi Robert Johnson is the godfather of blues. Sam Smith is a mindless gross pop star who puts on a sexualized grotesque show for attention. Two completely different worlds
lol 🎸👌🏼💯🍉✌🏼💜
Missed the point , eh.
@@maxh_musicrefrain from commenting if you don’t know what you’re talking about, thanks!
The Satan is the wellspring and active sustainer force behind reformed Calvinism theologies.
music follows breath cycles. witches inhale and exhale at particular times to raise spirits, accept spirits, walk with spirit and die with the spirit. like tides.
Are you telling me the devil is in "Motorcycle Song" by Arlo? I thought it was just dumb drug fueled nonsense. I still love that song! All sarcasm btw
I want a pickle....
See everybody likes music
will the carnival then end based off of this pattern you just laid out? and what will that next age look like?
Read James Fraziers Golden Bough
It seems upside down not normal world we glimpsed, has become normalised and it leads to self destructive selfish narcissism. Imo.😮
Okay, but can you tell me why that skeleton is playing the fiddle for Gary Goldman?
It's not so much playing with anything for me. Sometimes really heavy rock music just sounds great; fresh and varied in tone and interesting and well done. And it happens to be Satanic. Especially with guitar driven music. Bands like Behexen and Sargeist make no pretense about what they believe, antihuman, hateful lyrics, but wow the music is good. Nothing desirable in the lyrics or anything to play with. I like the guitar parts, i learn them and write new lyrics.
Ever notice how when bands sober up, the music goes bad?
I think an important point is missed here. When I listen to rock and Black Sabbath…which was the example JP used here, I get a critique of the world. It’s not a critique of Christ, as much as it is a false church that’s aligned itself with the world. I’m not saying it’s christological in anyway…just that Christianity has aligned itself with the world. Recently, it’s presented a vision that’s compatible with the world. You can have your cake and eat it too. My grandfather/father’s version of Christianity is one that’s marred by an error, that you can in fact serve both God and money. God and the world. Rock and Roll was a rebellion against “the world”, but since the church has become part of the world, it’s also a rebellion against Christ. I mean just look at War Pigs…it’s a rebellion against the world and what the world/passions/power offers. Sabbath, Zeppelin, and Rush all have shades of Tolkien in them, and were heavily influenced by the Christian story. The problem isn’t the rebellion against the world…the problem is that the church put itself in a position to be rebelled against when it aligned itself with the world.
Not sure on all of this, but the fact that War Pigs is a rebellion against the world is obviously 100% correct.
I would bet the biggest question is, where are you standing when you are offering that critique. Does that make sense? Too bad we can't discuss this in person.
@@paulfroelich1024 I’m not sure I know what you mean, by where do I stand… are you asking with Christ? Certainly. I am Byzantine Catholic.
Is all music, by its nature, Dionysian? Rush is another example that points out the absurdity of the modern world in songs like Tom Sawyer, Working Man, spirit of the radio. I also love Rush. Prog rock also points to the absurdity of pop’s music nature insofar as it sticks to this tyrannical structure repeated over and over. Whereas prog rock tries to disrupt this structure as much as possible. Is this satanic? I’d argue it’s more akin to classical music.
I’m not saying Black Sabbath’s music isn’t “satanic” necessarily, it’s just a reaction to the hypocrisy of the world. A world that claimed to embrace Christ, but not keep His tenets. So Christ, and his church, get included in the rebellion. It’s a consequence of the church not being a source of the rebellion against the world.
@@JimdalfTheOrange I meant "where you stand" in the way Pageau means it, typically. Not you personally. In this context, Ozzie in War Pigs is incorrect, not because of his point that the system is extremely corrupt, but because he has to stand in the right place (metaphorically) to make the critique effectively. I haven't read your entire response yet, so my bad there.
Edit: Just read your last paragraph, good stuff. Sadly, I have been more often a part of that problem than not.
I would say the problem with your analysis is that most rock bands aren't criticizing a Christianity that it has "aligned itself with the world" they are criticizing Christianity in itself. They make no distinction between authentic and corrupt Christianity. The philosophy of rock and roll is essentially liberal, atheistic (or outright satanic), and hedonistic.
@@owlobsidian6965 I’m making no claim for every rock band (bands like AC/DC might prove your point), but I would simply respond that just because they’re not making the distinction explicitly, doesn’t mean it isn’t true. The reality is they’re probably not conscious of the distinction. If our own people aren’t catechized correctly, how do we expect the world to understand who we are? I think it strengthen’s my argument that perhaps this is a subconscious rebellion. The church aligned with the world is full of obvious hypocrites. They don’t need to know who we are to see a church aligned with the world as no different from the world, and the world should be rebelled against. The problem is, the church aligned with the world, still has the word. The logical line drawn is that Christ leads to these hypocrites, and offers nothing different than the world. Where does one turn when he doesn’t have true freedom offered by Christ? Everywhere is chains, it’s just an argument for which chains are better. Even worse, when Christ appears to offer chains, satanism seems to correct, the serpent brings the knowledge/power/freedom and God offers chains. The church that aligned itself with the world betrayed Christ and is an inverted church, and thus creates an inverted narrative. When the natural instinct to rebel against what oppresses us kicks in therefore, we don’t retreat from the world into the wilderness to find God, where are multiplicity is unified. We retreat from God into the World to find self, where our unity is scattered and multiplied.
9:47 mark, that. fucking that, is what i was thinking the entire time i was listening to this. its partially a good thing but also kind of a tragedy of or time
Has anyone connected these two dots...satan's original name was Lucifer and his job was as THE CHOIR DIRECTOR??!!! With respect...DUH
You really should mention that Mardi Gras means Fat Tuesday. I think the confusion here is that one of you understand french and the other hears gibberish that very well could be something voodoo
It's been years since he made video about heavy metal. Although I didn't agree with some stuff that were said back then, I realized how much it's actually true about all that luciferian things in some bands. By the time, desire to listen some bands that weren't even explicitly satanic (at least in sense of imagery they were using) wore off by itself, 'naturally'. And I guess I was right that this kind of music is related to carnival, since Jonathan is talking about it here.
That's why I listen to Leviathan by Mastodon. It's explicitly about Moby Dick. Also From Mars to Sirius, which is literally about Space Whales preventing ecological disaster.
i love metal and music. however as i've grown older i find myself listening to it only when i'm in the right mood as mentioned at 9:05. it's no longer my default identity like being a metalhead in high school. to use pague's language you can find a correct place for metal in the hierarchy
@@pricklypear6298 I also don't primarily identify myself as metalhead anymore. I just listen to the music, and as I said, I took no effort to stop listening to something that wasn't alligned with my values. The most ironic thing is, to be honest with myself, I only had up to five people in metal community I actually considered friend. All that pride, cynism and self-victimization was so repulsive to me. Not to mentioned how some were so obvious that they were looking for reasons to feel like victim. And I know such people exist in other cultures, to be clear.
you look at Black Sabbath and they were all wearing crosses
Like smoking a cigarette- holding fire between your fingers is exciting… and nicotine addictive. God has given us everything for life and godliness. He gifts us the right to partake of the divine nature. Yet humans still lust for the opposite. 2nd Peter 1:3,4
While I may have read that the Greeks, at least, used to do carnival, I believe it was held to be sinful by Eastern Orthodoxy. Can anyone say anything about this?
The Orthodox church considers it pagan. But it never ceased to be held every Sunday before the Great Lent of Easter.
@@christoskaltsas2506 I can see what it means by calling it pagan. Thanks for your input
All music is effused with Satan, even Handel's Messiah, because of its nature as music. Satan's domain as a spirit was in song. Lucifer as the mightiest of the angels in God's choir and being the Intellect of God, was also the head composer for the hymns the angels sang. The ordering of the angels in Choirs is not just for aesthetics, they literally would sing. It makes sense that the head of the choirs would also compose the music. and when he rebelled, it would make sense he would take Music itself with him into darkness. Divine music is the attempt to redeem this, but it is a mistake to think "only popular music is effused with the devil" because then you get trapped into faith in your own egoistic sense of taste in the music you like as being "unpopular, obscure, complex, difficult" and thinking that alone makes it holy. I am unsure if all musical inspiration can come just from Satan or not, but I do know that Music was gifted to Lucifer in the beginning as domain.
CARN-EVIL
wow. its not that complicated.
Emotional Manipulation that stirs up self-DELUSION. And self-delusion says that it is HARMLESS to invoke EMOTIONAL , Fantasy , dreamer, imagination IDEAS.
Paganini...The Devil's Violinist.
It's not the music that is devilry - it's just a rhythm with instruments over it. It's what they're singing about and inviting into their own lives via that route. And the excess which a certain lifestyle
can do to make them receptive to and open for the devil. The other reason being that popular music is about feelings and it appealing to the senses. Whereas, classical makes the mind and heart rise - it's not emotive in the same way. But rock music in itself is not the devil. Getting a bit puritan.
The puritans are more frightening than Marilyn Manson, in many aspects.
@@truthseeker5698 They're a scary bunch.
Dude's never been to a carnival before? Jeez.
The song "Black Sabbath", by group with same name, written by Bassist, was based on a personal experience he had, after a Satanic ritual. He woke up, to a "Demon" standing at edge of bed. "What is this, that stands before me? Figure in Black, which points at me. Turn around, start to run, to find out, Im the chosen 1." Whether you believe, or not, the Demon was prophetic.
Dr. Ammon Hillman.
Christianity loses a lot of young people over our analness about music. IMHO of course. But it is what it is I guess.
A lot of metal songs are warnings. Also, some of the hardest metal bands are Christian. I think a lot of it is preference.
I agreed my whole life. 1998 “This will lead to men intha womens, and Baphomet statues.”
“Ok Bible thumper, I’m gonna pump iron to this metal and listen to gangster rap X music when I’m trying to get laid.”
2024: “Holy ish.” Then you look at the CIA ties to culture creation in the 60’s, UN and theosophy and where we are headed.
If these people are unwilling to give up anti-Christian music for Jesus Christ, then they shouldn't be Christians anyway.
Imagine that, Jesus Christ was tortured and crucified. Defeats death so that we may be saved. Likewise, nearly all of the apostles were martyred for the faith. Same goes for countless saints afterwards. Just read about how St. George was tortured.
But giving up music. Oh no! We can't do that!!
@@wauliepalnuts6134 perhaps I should have been clearer. Teenagers. Our children. I'd much rather my child believe in Christ than not due to me being anal about music.
But most, if not all, of the music is sensual and evil. It is the devil's power tool. So, it is dangerous to tolerate it. I don't know anyone who is godly who tolerated listening to it past the age of about 20. Unfortunately, I am not one of those good people. It took me way too long. But now I never listen to it, because it takes me back into my flesh in half a second, and I simply cannot afford to go there anymore.
Rock music plays with the concept of the devil, good and evil. But most (with the exception of black metal) is about stories, taking deep inspiration from literature and religious texts.
The sing of the horns 🤘 comes (in this context, as it's also used in Indian tradition) from an Italian superstition of giving someone the evil the eye (the left eye, symbolizing the devil, or left-hand path to chaos instead higher order). Ronnie James Dio (not his real name btw) or Dio for short, introduced this symbol when he joined Black Sabbath, as an alternative to Ozzy Osbourne's peace sign.
All of the songs written by Dio take heavy inspiration from religion, he was raised Catholic but actually despised how it was taught, corruption of power and positions of so-called truths.
Even black metal represents an interesting story of man's struggle with God. You can question the values of the people that made it but as a listener even a genre that seems explicitly satanic is not even necessary spiritually harmful if consumed in the right mindset and on a foundation of good values.
That’s a one sided argument
You could say that god is in rock n roll just as easily
Ray Charles combined gospel
Check and mate ✌️
Gimme some Norman Greenbaum and take me to that
Spirit in The Sky 😂
Up there where we have our Collective Soul
Because your theory doesn’t
Gel 😂
Robert Johnson was black. Just sayin'...
Fat Tuesday
You are justifying the abnormal behavior.The carnival of Mardi Grass is not a tradition, is a mockery of a tradition.
What's the tradition then? Explain your position.
@@g3nj1it’s a long tradition that’s gone on for thousands of years. For thousands of years dudes have been taking photos of girls flashing and giving them beads. Stems back to ancient Babylonians
@@g3nj1 The tradition is a Christian gathering sharing a meal before lent. It is not a bacchanalia.
That's probably something most people don't know. if you just said that in the original post I bet more people would appreciate your point of view.
So there's no way that rave music is any good... Dang.
It's mostly garbage anyway..
This is basically about carnival and not do much about music. Disappointing..
I'm just happy the devil doesn't exist.
Lol… I hate to break it to you
The Imaginary World
(Sin)g and it becomes a (son)g.
I see there are other words there but I'm not getting the significance
Would you mind elaborating your idea?
Imagine living your life talking like this
Its super baller you should try it
@@epicfortnitekid8536it’s horse shit
@@epicfortnitekid8536 IDK he sounds pretty pretentious and self absorbed tbh.
Like watching a train wreck we want to watch people hyper analyzing looking silly
@@josephpchajek2685 Are you referring to Pageau as pretentious and self-absorbed? If so, how?
We’re stuck in clown world!
the Symbology of the Devil is being the Adversary.
the music Teaches the listener that the Devil is within.
Lucifer became the Devil by abandoning God. Thus becoming the Devil simultaneously.
his Story is his Ego began to see itSelf as something Greater/Different than God (aka the Universe)
it doesnt matter if he though he was better or worse. its the simple fact that he believed he was different or separate from God, that he Fell and became less than he was, he became incomplete as he removed himself from his Whole being.
he saw himself as Greater than God, failing to realize he is God, as are we All.
this is the Fallacy of Lucifer and those that Follow the same path meet the Same Fate. Anyone who sees themselves as Different or Separtate from God has Fallen from God's Grace and Wisdom, and is the Devil within themselves.
Even Lucifer and the Devils teach Wisdom of God's through their False Image.
Learn through All of God's Being, as All is Truely God. Nothing Exists outside or Separated from God. Therefore the Devil is not Evil, as God cannot be Evil, God is All Good in All his Parts, the Devil is just Lost and Confused just as Lucifer had become.
the Devil is illogical, paradoxical, and imaginary, because God isn't anyone's Adversary, God even love's the Devil, even in his Fallacy. He is always welcome back home.
I don't think music in itself can be transgressive, want a proof? Put your pop music video to mute: still transgressive. It is the lyrics and the visuals that are transgressive. Music cannot represent anything, it is too abstract. And frankly pop music is mostly childish and dumb. And isn't it ridiculous to make such a case of childish and shallow things?
Wrong fight to pick pageau.
Why?
It didn't sound like he picked a fight tbh, the other guy was more so picking the fight
Did you actually watch the whole video?
Yes, pray tell, why?
I think he is pretty clearly defending music against the other guy's argument. He literally said he listens to Black Sabbath (which is awesome, I like him even more now).
Hail Satan !
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Christ is risen !