My LAST Nadine West Plus-Size unboxing for a while | SO MUCH BETTER…but still NOT GREAT
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I will say that overall I have been disappointed with Nadine West. I do not feel that they dress plus size bodies well. I am going to put my subscription on hold, as I have so many other wonderful brands to discover out there! If you sre interested i the giveaway, it is for a $50 gift card (that paid $15 for)
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Oh dear. This brand has no idea how to dress a plus size lady. Don't feel bad about yourself. It is the clothes and not you. Do you have Evans in the US. Evans is a popular plus size brand in the UK which was purchased by an Australian company, City Chic. They do amazing clothes for plus size ladies and once you have found the size for you in each brand you can order anything afterwards and know they will fit as the sizes are very uniform. City Chic run a bit bigger than Evans. They have lovely well made clothes and have regular sales online. Nearly everything I have bought recently has been from them. I particularly love City Chic and their Avenue range as it has a relaxed almost hippy vibe which is very Australian. Your dog is gorgeous. Has a nose like my first ever dog, Daisy who was an Old English Sheepdog i.e. a Dulux dog. Great guard dog but looked like a Teddy bear. Sending best wishes from sunny but not too hot North Wales.
Hey Wendy! We do not have Evans, but I do have Avenue and have ordered through City Chic (I did not realize that they were Australian). I had not heard of City Chic until Dia and Co sent items to me from them. Dia marks them up very high compared to what I can order them for straight from the company! Thank you so much for the recommendation and kind words!
This was my last Nadine West for a long time. I am putting the subscription on hold. You are completely right, they just do not know how to dress a plus sized figure! The fabrics are also pretty cheap feeling.
Thank you, Lulu is half old English Sheepdog. We shave her in the summer because it is so hot, but she can get pretty teddy-bear like!
I commented on a previous Nadine West that I’m not impressed with them. My opinion hasn’t changed but YOU!!! I love watching your videos.
Thank you Deanne!! That made my day!
Hello - I love seeing the try on hauls! With all of the online ordering it's great to see clothing on real people and I appreciate what you are doing.
That you! I started with a stitch fix box and now I’m addicted 🤣. I really appreciate you watching and leaving me feedback! (And online ordering is a minefield!!)
On the black printed pants, the lines don't match in the front or the back. That is something I could never unsee. Is that maybe called a windowpane plaid/print?
Windowpane!! They were horrible in so many ways, I apologize for subjecting you to them!! 🤣 thank you, Lori!
A couple of the dresses were cute on you but I too had a bad experience with Nadine West. I kept one jacket which will work in summer to wear to the theatre and that’s it. The poor quality of their fabrics was appallingly to me! The jewelry they sent me was a joke. Like Walmart clearance quality.
Actually I’d love to see you do a Walmart run and see what you find. … a friend told me that she liked their Time and Tru brand jeans and that brand in their other clothes as well. Totally surprised me but I did try a pair of that brand in their Birkenstock knockoffs and found them extremely comfortable with great support…and I have probably a dozen pair of Birkenstocks!
Thanks for keeping it real with us! Can’t wait to see what you keep!
@@LaJuana558 thank you LaJuana! I will have to try Walmart. I have not shopped there for clothes in Probably 15 years, but I have seen some very promising hauls on here! I’m very interested in the knock off Birkenstocks!
I appreciate the thoughtful reviews and humour you bring to each haul. I look forward to each new video :)
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Thank you so much, Liza!! I really appreciate you!
@@BigonStyle No worries, I totally recognized it as spam!
@@liza_lou thank goodness, I left it here to refer back, but I deleted about 10 of them. Unscrupulous people really upset me!
All the dresses looked good on you! You can’t go wrong with any of them. They looked comfy too.
Thank you, Sara!
All of those last three dresses looked great on you! I’m loving watching your videos! Thanks for being such a fantastic TH-camr!
Thank you so much Sarah!!
I just want you to know how much I enjoy watching use. I went back and watched your videos from months ago so proud of the weight you have lost. I recently given up sugar and now down to a 12/14. Not really looking to buy anything I just love you.
Also I have referred you to a friend of mine who will be getting married next year she loved your video on wedding dresses.
Hi Meredith! You are so much fun to watch and your videos really lift my spirits. I love to see your joy and enthusiasm when you try on something that you absolutely adore! 😊 You looked great in the black dress and you could wear it for work with a blazer or go casual with a jean jacket. I’ve never tried subscription clothing boxes but would love to be entered in the gift card giveaway contest! Looking forward to your next video 😊
Thank you Jane!! I will for sure enter you- this may not be a good first one for you to try (but maybe it it didn’t cost anything!).
Jane, you won my giveaway! If you would please email me at Bigonstylemedia@gmail.com, we can coordinate getting the gift card to you!! -Meredith
@@BigonStyleOh wow! I just saw that I won the giveaway! Sorry for not replying sooner. I never win anything so this is so exciting and made my day. 😊 I will email you tomorrow. Thank you so much!
@@janebarnes5588 yay, Jane!!! I will catch up with you tomorrow evening!!
Ok the black dress is AMAZING!!
Thank you, Lyndsay!
I do love that black dress, and the tie/belt looks better in the front.
Thank you so much! I actually wore it to work today (tie in front) and am so impressed with it! You would never know that it was $35!
Love the liger print! It’s very demure. Lol the flower dress looks good on you though. It’s cute.
Just watched your video last night for the first time. To my surprise you are so refreshing and great at reviewing your items. I do watch I lot of other Tryon shows, yours is really good. Thanks
Thank you so much!!
Hello I'm just called 2 crushed velvet dresses. In July. Giggles. And 2 pairs of faux leather pants lol
That is HILARIOUS!!! I wish that I could say it was surprising 🤣🤣🤣
I ordered my first BloomChic and was completely disappointed. I ordered three bathing suits and two dresses. The first dress was a pretty prink in teal. The waste hit me around the bust, the belt did not completely go around me and it was so long. The second dress was an adorable blue and white stripe to two layer flutter sleeves. It had pockets and darts to give it some shape. Loved the color, the pockets and sleeves. It was a bit too lose, and way too long. If I keep it I would have to have it Taylored. Lastly, I prefer my bathing suite a bit on the snug side. I find that they stretch out quite a bit when wet to counteract the snugness. The tummy control was not as firm as I like and had removable pads in the bust area. I am a 3X and I am 5 feet one inch tall. I understand girl. I have very similar problems also with getting clothes that fit.
Oh no, Jean- I hate that you were disappointed! I have a swim suit on order, but it isn’t here yet. I hear you in the wanting your swim suits to hold you in- that is the only way I feel comfortable swimming!
I hadn’t even thought about length on their dresses- I am 5’10” and always get irritated when things are too short, I am sure that you are the exact opposite!
I did have someone tell me that Bloomchic has an automated return system now, as opposed to emailing like we used to. I hope that you have a smooth return and find some great items either from there, or elsewhere. Thank you so much for watching snd reaching out!
Hey Meredith , The black faux leather pants look great. With the Merry sweater. Step out of your comfort zone .
Thank you!! It is way out- but we just had a little cold front come in, so I’m wearing it today!!
The red on the ceiling is beautiful, I love it. I like the black dress on you, It's my favorite item in the bag. The purple dress would work with leggings
I think I’m keeping the black dress and the red ceiling!! Thank you, Ann!
So the little black dress looked killer on you and honestly I think I liked the tie in the front better ..it draws the eye to the bust line which come on girl we be been knowing thats money for you lol loving the little black dress also loved the one following it ..the cream floral looked like it fit you well and would benefit with either brown suede cowboy boots or brown leather Roman sandals
Thank you so much, Rachel- I kept that black dress and have gotten a lot of wear out of it! It is by far the best Nadine West item I’ve gotten! I appreciate the styling tips!
The animal print looked good on you. If you had liked the color, you could have worn it with black leggings. All of the dresses looked good. The black one definitely the best one…looked great on you. I have had 3 Nadine West bags so far and have been able to buy something each time. I haven’t had any ‘iffy’ boxes at all. I have noticed that some of the items on the list don’t match what I actually receive so I always make sure to give very detailed info on everything right away before I forget. It is definitely a ‘discount’ subscription so I don’t expect it to be as good as Stitchfix ( which I prefer) but overall, I really haven’t had bad luck with them so far. I’ve seen some people complain about them online but until I see a downturn, I will keep going with them.
Thank you so much for the feedback, it is so encouraging to hear that you have had a good experience! I am going to keep the black dress and put this one on hold for a few months. I have appreciated the dresses and cardigans (the non-velvet ones) but have struggled with pants and tops. I think that I will do better if I lose a little more weight when it come to length and just overall fit.
I really appreciate you reaching out and watching!!
1st pair of pants’ design is called “windowpane”.
Windowpane!! Thank you, Deborah!!
I love the sound quality of the new mic. Nadine west reminds me of Fashion Bug.
Thank you so much!! It has removed so much frustration from my life!!
Oh, Lordy… Those patterns! The pattern didn’t even line up at the seems of those pants. I’ve had better luck buying plus size clothes from Costco online. 😂
I have not seen a pair of pants from NW that were even close to being ok. There is no attention to detail!
Thanks for taking up for us larger girls. I like the animal print. I would have to wear pants with it. The purple and black dress were cute on you.
Thank you! I’m really enjoying it! I decided to keep the black one.
Hi Meredith! I just found you last week, so I'm still catching up with your earlier videos, and I loved this one! Nadine West is more in my price range than the other subscription boxes I've seen, so I really wish they had done better for you with their sizing and choices so I could see more of them. I liked all 3 of the last dresses you tried on, especially the floral, but that "liger" print one was just ridiculous! Thank you for starting this channel, and showing us real world women what is really out there for us, . I appreciate it!
Hey Nancy, thank you so much for watching! I really liked the price range, but I just do not think that they do well at a 3X, the tops were so short and the pants were just too small all over. I may revisit them at some point, but I just wasn’t finding joy in the service. I’m sorry!
The liger was pretty funny!!
I will tell you that they offered tons of permanent discounts to try to keep me from leaving, which may be good information!
Do more Shein (use measurements-their numbered sizes are all over the place), Cider, chicos, Amazon, Target, Kohls…that sort of thing…
Thank you, Heidi!
The pants lines not lining up would drive me crazy. These clothes are scaled up from straight sizes it seems instead of cut for plus size. The dresses I liked today. I hope you have a nice weekend
I think that that must be what it is. The fabric is pretty inexpensive on most items, but the cut is just awful on so much of the clothing sent through this service. Looking at how short some of the tops are, I think that you are right, they just scaled up their regular patterns…
I did like the dresses, as well- today was by far the best bag.
Those navy and white pants are called window pane plaid.
In the beginning of the video your editing looked like Bewitched! There is the dog and poof, dog is gone! Lol The 2’solid dresses looked really good on you. The short length is a concern though. I actually thought the tiger print dress looked good too. I agree with you, pants were not cut for our body type at all. Your living room is just beautiful. Love your ceilings! Of course please
Put me in the running for the gift
card! I’m subscribe and I enjoy your videos so much.
Those pants are something else! It could have been editing- but maybe it was magic! That lulu is pretty tricky!
I decided to keep the black dress, it was honestly a pretty good value and I liked it. This was by far the best shipment by Nadine West - but I think I’m putting them on hold for a few months. I have you entered! Thank you so much for your awesome support!
I liked the black and the floral dresses. Your videos are so fun.
Thank you!
I love the black dress on you!
Thank you, Kimberly!
I am a new subscriber very amazing very giveaway excited
Thank you for subscribing! I will do the drawing tomorrow morning!
I specifically looked to see of you had a Nadine West video, because i wanted to know if anyone else had the same awful luck! My first delivery was end of August, I had 3-4 pieces of the crushed velvet, same colours as what you got. They were HUGE too. I didn't keep anything. Got another delivery yesterday, and the sizes were all over the place. I got that black floral shirt too and it fit awful. Moving on!
It is hard to cancel- they send you many emails with deals to stay, but after 3-4, they finally cancel. The quality just was not there for me, either- and more than one crushed velvet piece is excessive any time of year, but particularly in the summer!! I have really liked stitch Fix, wantable, and somewhat liked DAILYLOOK. They are very hit or Miss, but I still look forward to getting it, so I may keep it up until that completely wanes! I am sorry that you had a rough experience- cheers to bigger and better things!!
@@BigonStyle it's always worth trying! I didn't know what to expect and now I do. At least it forced me out of my comfort zone!
LOVED the black and floral dresses
Thank you! I kept the black and am very happy with it!
I have my dogs barking on and off all day 🐶
Oh my! You are such a good sport! NW clothing is so cheaply made and odd...leftovers? The fabrics are awful and the prices used to be quite inexpensive, but they've gone up and up. Also their jewelry is junk! I think you've tried Dia and Co? SF does a decent job with plus sizes, as does Wantable? Does Front Door Fashion have your size range? more expensive, but better quality for sure. Those "plaid" pants are window pane I think...ugh. The squares don't match...they should...who would wear those?
I would love to try Front Door Fashion, but they do not go to my size. I am working on losing weight, so one day!! All of the other brands that you mentioned are so much better than Nadine West. I am taking a break from this company for a good little while! Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment!
Please enter me in drawing. I love the fact that you smile all the way through your videos. I appreciate your humor.
Thank you, Kelly! I absolutely will enter you!
I liked the plum dress, but I would wear it with leggings.
Thank you! I love the plum color!
I have never received anything from Nadine West and I wouldn't mind giving it atry. BTW, I LOVE the minions. I have seen all of the movies. My youngest granddaughter looked just like Agnes when she was little.
Your granddaughter must be stinking adorable ‘SO FLUFFY!!’ I will absolutely enter you, Kathi!
Keep the black dress...😁
I kept that one!
Your videos are so fun!! I would love to enter this giveaway ❤
Thank you so much- I have you in!
I too ❤ l o v e ❤ . . . The red ceiling and red walls! I actually watched this video when it was new and apparently didn’t “like” it… maybe it was because it was Nadine West and I knew I didn’t want a gift card! LoL! It was fun watching it again… and tell me, what did you choose? BTW did you ever get a second box from Fashom….apparently they are working on another box for me. On their website it says I can go through and see my box and remove anything I don’t like…sounds lovely but I didn’t see that as an option last time and considering I’ve been waiting two weeks on that 2 to 3 days they are taking to style my box! LoL !!!
LaJuana, I think that is old on the fashom site- they used to be a subscription service (according to older unboxings that I’ve found). I have 2 Fashom boxes waiting for me to open them, I just don’t have time😭😭- it is going to happen, I just don’t know when!
I kept the black dress from this box!
@@BigonStyle Thanks, I’ll do a screenshot and ask them about it. I have loved what I’ve gotten, especially for the price but pleeezzzeee communicate people.
And you’ve got two boxes! Oh my! Can’t wait!! But first, do REAL LIFE! That’s what matters most!!!
Keep in mind that cheaper brands seem to run smaller. If I shop at Target I size up 1 size.
New subscriber- you are so funny and down to earth and just adorable! Glad I found you.
Thank you so much!!
You could wear the shorter dress as a tunic with leggings. Would be cute.
Thank you Karen!
Love the channel! What new microphone are you using??? It sounds so much better! 🎉
It is a Rode wireless mic- it made a huge difference! Initially, I was using a wireless mic from Amazon, there was so much interference. I film on my phone, and anytime a call or notification came through, the sound was effected. I did not even have a great run on airplane mode- totally recommend the Rode mic!
Hey! I loved the video! The last three dresses looked great on you. The sizing on the tops seems to be off. It definitely makes me wonder if your concerns about the sizing being made for plus size bodies being accurate.
I liked the dresses just fine, but I haven’t found any tops or bottoms that I feel like I could wear out of the house 🤷🏼♀️. I think I’m going to take a Nadine Weat break and revisit them in a few months. Thank you so much for watching and sharing your sweet positive energy!
I really like that first dress. It looks really great on you. Wear thigh savers that are same colour as your skin - they are incredibly freeing with dresses and skirts. I keep editing my comments with another item that looks terrific on you - the black dress - Wow!. The windowpane (?) pants - really made wrong with the lines not matching in the front - just wrong! Nice dress long with slit - colour is not good but style looks good. Purple dress is too short other wise ok. One last thing - how could they send a necklace that size to plus sized ladies. Love your channel. Hello from Vancouver Island in the far west of Canada.
Thank you so much, Rosemary!! I think that we went whale watching in Vancouver on our honeymoon- actually, my husband says that it was Victoria, not Vancouver! It was an Alaskan Cruise and one of our ports, it was so gorgeous in July!
I just started wearing those little thigh savers under short dresses, and you are right- so freeing!
the checked pants... as soon as I saw they didn't match the pattern on the legs(rise area), I knew they weren't good quality
Oh yeah, they were bad!!
I just described to this company. I was with their prices was way out of my budget. Is better
I think you are more classy than the clothes that they sent. I’ve seen that necklace for much less and it would fit. Black pants were poorly made, everyone who sews would match the patterns. You’re right the white pants did not look good in front, but know your assets and back into a room 😅. Dresses fit but you have much nicer clothes in your closet or coming in the mail.
I agree Tamara! This was my last Nadine West box. The clothes and accessories just had too many problems!
I’m not impressed with the Nadine West clothing. You’ve gotten much nicer items from other companies. I think their clothes look pretty cheap.
Hey Janet, I agree with you- the last bag literally did not have anything wearable. I thought that the dresses were ok, but not good. I have decided to put Nadine West on hold and really focus on my other awesome brands!
I was thoroughly unimpressed by Nadine West. Cheaper than Stitch Fix, yes, but all of the clothes/jewelry felt cheap. Walmart cheap (and I shop at Wally so I’m not dissing them. But I’m not paying NW prices for Walmart quality). Almost nothing fit in my first bag in 2x so I went up to 3x and the sizes were hit or miss. Stitch Fix understands which brands run small, large and true to size, and they adjust accordingly. Nadine West just sends the size. They sent me multiple leggings first time, which I will never, ever wear. I made that comment after the first fit and I swear they doubled down with the second/third, sending me leggings and jeggings. Two pieces of jewelry were broken on arrival, the rest were so cheap looking. I also said NO dresses from the get go. Always 1-2 dresses. I stopped after the 3rd shipment and didn’t buy a single thing in any of them.
But now after watching your channel I have a few other options! Excited to try Wantable and Dia. I checked out Fashom but they are currently only offering $95 boxes ($85 with your code). No mystery boxes. I’ll check back occasionally and may still try them.
I’m also doing a closet purge by getting rid of the “when I lose some weight” clothes. I too have some that have been sitting in my closet for 20 years! I think you said in another video something like, I don’t need that negative energy. So true. Thanks for the motivation to do that, and inspiration to try some new things that will make me happy now.
Those ‘saving for when I lose weight’ clothes are just something I think we all do- I had to look critically and realize that WHEN I lose weight, there will surely be so many nice, new things that I want! Kick them to the curb! I really appreciate you so much!!
Thank you for affirming my thoughts on Nadine West, Meredith, I’m not impressed.
BTW, those black and white pants? The pattern is called WINDOWPANE. Cute idea, bad execution, right?!
So right- Nadine West and I are taking a break! The execution is off on so many items and I am just not excited to get it in.
I tried Nadine West everything I told them I did not like is what they sent.
The black dress, I can't see your stomach area on screen. I agree it was the best thing in the bunch, however, I did also like the long cream dress with the flowers all over it. I just wish it had pockets.
Not the cheeta dress!!
The floral dress is like "little house on the prairie"......horrible, send it back!!
I wasn't commenting for the card btw
I had one box from Nadine West and it was the same with me, the clothes felt very cheap material so I canceled it.
Nancy, thank you- I’m sorry that you had a similar experience. This was my best package by far, and I’ve decided to take a break from them for a little while. I like the black dress and sm keeping it, but this service just isn’t right for me right now.
I tried Nadine West once and was not impressed. All the clothing was too small (I normally wear a 1X or 2X and even items marked 3X were too small) and very cheap feeling. I have no desire to try them again.
Jennifer, I finally canceled- I’m in a 3X and typically the majority wouldn’t even come close to fitting- what a shame that they did not work for you! Honestly, the quality just wasn’t there, either, in my opinion!
I tried Nadine West about a year ago and their stuff was pretty cheaply made. I did like a lot of the costume jewelry, but about half of it fell apart.
I hear you on the jewelry, some of it was pretty cute! I did it for three months and eventually stopped- I like the idea of it, but I felt like they charged too much. Watching older videos on TH-cam, it seems like they used to be priced more in line with the quality.
Window pane slacks
Thank you!
Would never purchase from that company. Everything I’ve ever seen from any influencer looks horrendous. BTW, DON’T enter me into the give-away .
I will not for sure. I really appreciate you sharing your opinion. I have actually decided to put Nadine West on hold, as I have so many other great brands to showcase. I think that this bag was remarkably good for this subscription service, and it was still not very good.
I would seriously consider stop getting this brand…
IMO it looks like they are sending you cheap Chinese clothing and charging you triple!
I wouldn’t keep anything…
There are much better clothing out there for you that is better quality, fit and fashionable!
I actually sent them an email this morning to put my account on hold. You are right, you just cannot compare the quality to shops like Bloomchic. I can find similar prices if I shop a good sale at Lane Bryant or Torrid!
Most of the clothes look nice but the sizing is all WRONG! I would send them ALL back.
I had to cancel after this shipment- I don’t know if it is better with smaller sizes, but it just wasn’t at all consistent around my size!
Pants are window pane check
Thank you, Marsha!
Those pants are checked or checkered
Thank you, Rachel!
I wouldn’t recommend any of those. I’ve seen so many cute things on you that I can’t endorse so so things!❤️
I completely appreciate that, Diane- this whole service was just not for me! It would come in and I would thing ‘ugh, I’ve got to do that again!’ It took so much effort to cancel(about 5 emails holding my ground as they offered more discounts)
Even though the dresses fit, they seemed toshort. The rest of the clothes were not very good.
This service is pretty rough overall, if I am honest- they do not cut for plus size well at all!
Hey, there! This box was a hot mess! Put your money into your other boxes and experiment with upgraded clothing with the money you’ll be saving by dropping this service!😂❤
Carol, it was pretty bad, and actually so much better than the previous one! I have already written them to pause my subscription. A hot mess is very accurate!
@@BigonStyle I can’t imagine what the other box devolved into!! I guess I’ll have to hunt for the video. As Superman and Robin used to say, “Great Scott!” This kind of junk would make us all go bezerk and go au natural-Adam and Eve style! :0
@@carolm4545 you are too funny! I actually did not make a video… well, I filmed it when when we had family in town and cut off the top of my head. It was just trash, honestly. Body con low cut dresses, TWO velour cardigans- TWO! It had 17 items in it and the only thing that I kept was the gift card, which is what I’m giving away this time.
Thank you for the Saturday laugh, Batman
@@BigonStyle We witty birds are flocking to the birdbath together! I suppose you could have used the body con dress with velour jackets as part of your Headless Happy H**ker Horsewoman Halloween costume! I couldn’t help myself! ;0
@@carolm4545 I deleted both H**ker and Str**twalker in my original reply 🤣
I am a new subscriber suggest my sister gori maheswari
That is great, thank you!
None of those dresses fit right. Too short!!
This brand is not great for you. Also, most pieces looked cheap.
They felt cheap, too. I finally cancelled- and they make it is so hard to cancel!!
Scrap. These were bad
totally agree, this was my last Nadine West!
This was not a good haul. Not a fan of Nadine West. The dresses minus the long one were to short for you. Just being truthful. Your other try ones from other box sites have worked beautifully for you but not this one
Anne Marie, you are 100% right! This was the last time I got this one (and it was difficult to cancel!). I imagine it could be right for someone, but I am not the right match!
Sorry, honey, but all the floral tops????? They are so "matronly".....get rid of the floral tops and dresses!!