If you do CQB like this YOU WILL DIE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 พ.ค. 2022
- On this episode of 'Combat Reacts' I review a CQB demonstration from a tactical school. I normally refrain from picking on other peoples' SOPs or TTPs but this one scares the crap out of me. The TLDR for this video is this: don't "peek-a-boo clear" a room while doing CQB. Please.
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They're practicing the well-known "I want in on that kill, too!" method. It's pretty clear they trained in the Call of Duty combat program.
Hey man, that's disgraceful to CoD players.... I'm pretty sure I have more CQB sense then these two from CoD and Siege lol
"Bro you stole my kill!"
I was going to object with how any gamer would understand on a very basic level to clear corners, not get stuck on doors and enter rooms with their gun ready.
Then I realised most people play CoD sprinting like this and they'll bitch and whine about campers because they can't clear corners. So, nevermind.
@@TheSantifive lmfao 😂 that's factual asf. Monitoring a target rich environment is not camping like they always cry about.
I was thinking battle field with the peakaboo duck walk thing they did
The peekaboo looks like a classic example of already knowing where the targets are placed.
Mike Tyson says that this is the only way to clear a room.
Kinda like when Lucas from T-Rex arms does his blazing fast runs around drywall but preset the targets so he knows the exact angle which to engage lol.
@@JohnDoe-wz7lw Exactly! I was thinking the same thing!!
@@tarichar8 lmao that is boxing, this is different.
If you knew, wouldn't you intentionally lead with your gun? If you don't know, wouldn't you do the same? I don't understand the concept of eyes first, then react in any situation where you're the aggressor in a hostile environment. Even in a match environment where downrange is always clear, the time saved by gun leading should be observed by amateurs and professionals alike, so the idea that a trainer wouldn't recognize this makes me think they might be trying hard to enforce gun safety rules to their clientele. Even if the situation demands the only safeties be a mind and an index finger.
This entire demo has the energy of "Steven Seagal-obsessed suburban dad and his friend from work coming down to the airsoft center to pick up his wife's son decides to give the kill house (3 barely-upright doors, $2.50 a go) a try"
Ive always wanted someone to fire an MP5 five inches from my ear. Seems legit. Good corner work guys.
Apparently they never heard of 1. "fatal funnel", both of them jamming up, silhouetting the doorway. 2. "Slicing the pie". Both of them enter and turn the same way leaving their backs completely exposed. 3. Muzzle awareness in close proximity. Lucky they didn't shoot each other.
Yea dude. This is a literally the bare basics.
And letting a room "breathe" too. The most basic of basics.
I thought you meant, hypothetically during this training exercise good thing they didn't flag each other because under stress in a worse setting with live guns that could be really bad. Nope these dudes just about maimed or killed each other practicing. Not practicing to do things right either, practicing to do them ass wrong
My guy thank you I could have not said it better. That shit was giving me a fucking aneurysm. #LetsMakeTheGrassGrow
Yeah I didnt see any Pie Slicing which would have helped them not become easy targets
My hope is that they were demonstrating exactly what NOT to do.
if they arent i hope they are teaching the taliban or something....
no wrong demonstration, phony instructors
My thoughts exactly!
🤣🤣🤣 yeah let’s hope so
No need for CQB over there. Israeli forces usual just bulldoze the house or bomb the entire apartment building.
Also people have to understand. When you open a door or breach it. The bad guy is alerted of a threat is approaching. So just imagine when you hit the door the bad guys gun will come up. When you peekaboo the threat is ready to stitch your ass up. Literally Delta and Devgru have both lost guys because of this very thing. Keep in mind they were not doing the peekaboo method. They were simply doing hostage rescue CQB which is also known as Hollywood cqb. But it’s to reduce the threat of the bad guys taking out the hostage so you normally designate 4 guys to run as fast as possible to the hostage. It’s absolutely crazy they are still doing this. I think in 2003-2005 we learned the hard way why this doesn’t work
So after 2005 you do guys doing the slow is smooth and smooth is fast thing? My credtials include god of war and Zelda so I'm genuinely curious how real world works. Thanks 🙏
@@AG-en5y "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast" applies to literally everything. Frantic flailing around always casts more time than it gains. It's the same principle that gave us such timeless gems as "haste makes waste" and "more speed, less haste." For further reference: watch a speedrunner playing God of War or Legend of Zelda. Look at how calm and focused they are.
@@Rystefn bro I’ve been reading what I typed for the last 30 mins trying to figure out what I’m asking OP. I was so high that night I almost chose to keep eating pizza over getting laid
@@AG-en5yif the pizza is bussin the girl gotta wait
Hey I am a bit confused about the peekaboo thing. Maybe I am stupid or slow, call me what you want but I would like a bit more explanation. So the bad guy can hear us and knows I am coming through the door. he is somewhere in the room with his gun pointed at the open door. If he is going to shoot me on the peek. He is certainly going to be able to shoot me as my whole body moves in the room, locates where he is, adjusts my gun, and tries to shoot him first. Doing a peek with a gun and locating them in the room etc is also going to probably get me killed if they have the gun pointed at the door. So the idea I see is, you do a very fast peek. Your eyes take a snapshot of the room and where the bad guy is located. You take a second to process that behind cover, now you know where they are (or at least close to) and you can shoot from behind cover or enter the room with your gun pointed in their direction. Then at least the odds are more even. If they will shoot you on the peek, I don't see how you stand any chance of survival going in without peeking which is much slower anyway. And they already know where you are whether you peek or not, so it should not make your entry any worse, only better because you also know where they are. I am not giving advice or making definitive statements, I am just following the logic of my brain. Everyone seems to say peek is a terrible tactic so I am assuming I am wrong somewhere, but my slow brain just can not see it. So I appreciate any more explanation.
In my police academy our SWAT team taught us building clearing and dynamic entries. All of it was either 2 man or single person. Every threshold gets a muzzle. You're not blowing past open thresholds with your back to them unless your partner is providing plate coverage and a muzzle in that direction and moving with you. Secondly, the weird peekaboo looks like a bastardize version of a quick peek which is used primarily outdoors to gain a picture around a corner when there is a reason to move at a high pace. The difference shown here is it's indoors, and they keep their head dangling in the doorway for several seconds. It defeats the purpose of the maneuver, and the best part is they do it without their muzzle pointed in the direction they're looking. So even if they do see something they cannot fire upon it. Lastly , why is the guy in the green going first to the next doorway if the blue shirt guy is in front of him? CQB should feel flowy, kind of like creating a circle in every room. So to just cut in front of him is just dumb and inefficient. This is all kinds of jacked up
Edit: wrote this comment before watching the video
I like the part where the guy in black almost trips on the other guy as they rush to make sure their bodies are completely filling the doorway. Wouldn't want any enemy fire sneaking out in to the hallway behind you.
Lol, gotta catch em all
Lmao
It might be a tactic to shield the fresh guys/bodies that are going be piling in from the back you know :P
The vid is a perfect example to show how focusing on speed while room clearing can leave you vulnerable because it exposes your weak spots. Each shooter should know what each man in the team is supposed to do, no matter what position you are in the element. Two-man or Four-man team, it doesn't matter, you have to know all the positions within the element because once you restack on another door, you may not end up in the same spot depending on the situation. No one should have to tell you what to do going into a room and those guys staying in the fatal funnel at that 3rd point isn't good at all. Get into that room and dominate it, not stay stationary bunched together in the door where all the returning fire will go.
@@parawill7074 excellent! Well said sir. Thanks!
I’ve encountered them at a school; they’re serious as a heart attack. This was in all likelihood staged.
The weapons flick is a chamber check and their tactics are just blindly aggressive. They teach reloads on the move in uncleared areas.
As a marine infantryman, I both objected and was summarily ignored.
I wonder if that's somewhat down to the kind of opposition they expect to deal with. Less concerned about poorly trained, poorly equipped, disorganized militia shooting them, and more concerned that one bad guy in there has his finger on a button that's gonna just det the whole freaking building on everyone.
No one needs to be highly trained to focus their weapons on a single entry point and fuck your retarded day up the longer you stay near it once it opens. More than half of this shit is common sense.
Chamber check… with an MP5…
Tells a lot about them
@@antonikubiak5798 I was wondering about that: doesn't the MP5 when empty need the user to manually open it instead of it already locking itself open when empty?
@@maxwellsterling yup. exactly that. the UMP AFAIK does lock itself back, the MP5 does not
We need accurate training more than we ever have. We need you guys.
Not even 15 seconds and I'm loving how they stop in the doorway, somehow getting both of them right in the obvious line of fire that every bad guy would already be aiming at. RIP
I'm no soldier or expert, but even I could tell what those two were doing would be suicidal in an actual firefight
They were running around like cartoon characters.
they wanted to be like john wick lmao
😂😂😂😂
What they were doing was suicidal period--they're both lucky they didn't shoot each other in that little "demonstration"
imagine from the bad guy's perspective seeing these two bumbling maroons run in and get themselves tuck in the doorway
“If you’re gun is pointed at the ground, you’re just going to be shot in the face”… words to live by.
Even with your gun pointed towards the enemy, you're still liable to be shot in the face.
@@islandworkout 🤣
Your* and, if your gun is pointed in the air.
@@islandworkout Parenthesis?
Well even if your gun is pointed at the threat and they are waiting, you just got shot in the face.
I’ve seen this before. They use the doorway as cover. They don’t make tactical entry and wall flood. They just hang out in the funnel of death. Two abreast. Also it’s obvious in this case they know where the targets are. And they dismiss the rest of the room. Instead of working opposite corners, left and right and then working back to the center of the room. They both go right or left, as you say exposing their six.
Outstanding MIKE ... GOING HIGH AND LOW..
"If the orientation of your gun is pointed at the ground, then you're just going to be shot in the face". Wise words kids. It's like when watching a super operator do a mag dump, then slowly survey left to right looking for further threats. With an empty firearm. I've seen this, and it's hysterical.
Which is why we should never move from cover without first being weapons checked whenever possible.
As opposed to getting shot in the face with your gun pointed forward? I don't get the criticism. Because the ambusher will shoot you in the face whether or not your gun is pointed to the ground or forward. Maybe your exploding brain sends a grip signal to your already dead hands and you luck shoot the guy but you're still dead as a rock either way right?
@@georgefloydspaceshuttlepro1839 The fact that his gun was being handled in a "I'm a big free target, please shoot me" manner should already be explanation enough. He wasn't ready to engage when he moved like an idiot and therefore is practically forfeiting his life in this scenario, doubly so because of idiot2 following the leader. You're not as likely to be shot in the face if your weapon is pointed in the direction of your movement and ready to engage a target.
@@georgefloydspaceshuttlepro1839 if the gun is pointed downward, door opens and enemy is within 1 meter of the door, enemy could hold your gun/arm and that becomes a shittier situation, at least if gun is pointed forward you can just squeeze the trigger, I think you wanna do cqb to clear a room instead of engage in hand to hand combat
@@georgefloydspaceshuttlepro1839 Where your eyes go...your weapon goes..that's the reflex you are building...you don't want to see a threat then have to take cover then come back to shoot..what if you popped out and saw a baddie with their back to you...you don't want to raise your weapon..you want to shoot...
I actually considered these guys to get certed to build my resume for doing high threat contracting work. This has effectively nullified that idea forever. Thanks Mike.
Wait, these are real dudes? Post the name of the Training School / Facility!
You can also count on Don Shipley to do some investigative work if you're also unsure of the credibility of the instructors if they claim military background.
@@SenecaSerpent Thanks for the reply, yep I saw the first few seconds and was schocked into commenting prior to watching the rest of the video. This school should be named and shamed in the video description IMO.
Edit: as well as the instructors.
I can't believe what I'm watching...
Ohh they are so wild the hostiles may get a surprise how un normal they are!!!
@@SenecaSerpent Israeli training is bogus, everything they produce in terms of training (including krav maga) is all shit and makes no damn sense. Good thing they have us as "allies" and only fight rock throwers
I've watched this so many times now... I just come back. These guys are funny. I just can't stop. Lol.
I would love, and I mean LOOOOOOOVE to go against these guys as OPFOR with simunitions. I've been OPFOR in killhouses before, and I'm not some super secret ninja operator. I have a moderate amount of firearms training and I've been able to tag actual real world operators. This isn't because I'm better or anything, it's because actual CQB is a brutal unforgiving fucking meatgrinder. Getting hit with simunitions is a real wake up call too. It's the realization that "oh. IM DEAD" or "oh. I just got paralyzed and will be eating through a tube and shitting into a bag the rest of my life... oh my God how is my wife going to handle this"
This is also your reminder that an untrained 16 year old with an AKM is perfectly capable of dropping an entire stick of Navy Seals if they get hung up in the door, which WILL happen if the first man takes one in the face
This was my thoughts at NTC lmao
i did opfor for 2nd rangers in idaho once. i was a PFC combat engineer at the time and i definitely killed an entire squad coming through one door. in my mind, if you dont flash or frag a room before you clear it, youre gonna lose guys and get fucked up.
@@SuicidalChocolateSK
Do they have all this room clearing type training facilities at NTC nowadays?
My unit, the 1st Infantry Div, went there twice when I was in it once in late 84 and then in early 85, there was nothing like that there at the time, all the training in the Army back then was about engaging the Soviet Military in large open field warfare, there wouldn't have been room's to clear since basically we'd have destroyed any standing structures hopefully with the occupants still in them, not much to clear when it's rubble.
It's amazing how different the training and tasks are for the Army nowadays compared to when I was in, all the way down to how the military is bloated with special operators compared to back then, I'd like to see the number's on how many regular Army per special operator back then compared to now.
From what I see these days even regular troops are trained to what seems like a much higher level than we were back then.
@@dukecraig2402 there’s shoothouses on pretty much every major CONUS base and I’m sure there’s more. CQB was pushed pretty hard while I was in 06-12. NTC, at the time, seemed to focus much more on grand strategy type situations than smaller unit tactics, but MOUT was part of it. As for small unit tactics being far more common training; I’m sure it is, but it is very unit dependent. We even did a few MOUT courses with our F troops. There were many lessons learned in OIF/OEF but it appears that some of that has been lost as the new “leadership” seems more concerned about politics than an effective fighting force.
They train people to think they are combat gods so they run into the grinder, but what you said about the 16 year old is seriously important. Wrong place, wrong time, bad luck and one mag takes out a squad.
And people call untrained airsofters bad!
Are we sure these 2 didn't get trained by Detroit Urban Survival Training?
Nice one
Even literal 12 year olds playing airsoft do better than these guys, lol.
I thought they were airsofters 🤣
@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 coming from someone who played airsoft at about 12, it's an age where the sting hurts enough to make you realize you want to figure out how to avoid it lol. May have absolutely no clue how to do proper cqb but you at least figure out what gets you shot the most and do the opposite lol
They probably did. Fail Brown is a complete grifter. I'm honestly surprised no one has died from his bullshit. Or maybe a lot have died... I mean, he's based in Detroit, and dead men don't tell tales. Maybe a whole bunch of people are getting deep sixed and he gets away with it cause there's so many murders there daily anyway, nobody stop to check if any vics were associated with DUST? It's possible, even in the internet age.
Oh snaps.. I just found this channel by accident and glad I did!! Great take on the video..... -- I'm not saying these guys aren't hard workers... but they lack training for sure.... One thing I can say about my military training is that I'm thankful I had great people teaching me. . Hopefully, they obtain better training soon.... I look forward to keep up with the channel!!
They're so chaotic. like they're on an adrenaline drip, all of their movements are jerky and screams of "i watched Blackhawk Down and SWAT, so i know what im doing"
My favorite part is how they fight each other to get through the doors each time
Queue the 🤡 music
Their theme music should have been Yakety Sax.
Black shirt literally hipchecks Green shirt at one point lol.
Those are a pair of candy canes 🤣😂.
Former 12B paratrooper here.
I picked up on the same thing: center fed room, no one went right.
No violence of action on enter because he went peekaboo. They lost surprise before they went in. Further, why are they doing hand signals after their first shots? Surprise is gone. Talk.
Waaaaaaay too much running. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
I'm an airsofter with a couple of courses under my belt and 17 years experience with sims and airsoft and even I would have killed both of them, that's embarrassingly bad.
Good points
So, im a civilian, but even I wondered why neither of them were covering the six
I did training with CRI back in 15’ and was taught the limited penetration method. Only thing was our weapons were at the high ready and we were slicing the pie but from cover and not entering the fatal funnel.
"Not cussing, or doing anything weird!"
You sir, are awesome!
They're trying very hard to be tacticool as though sprinting around is what makes it fast, effective and efficient. That these guys can potentially train others is what I would view as a greed and ego combo. They aren't concerned about being the best, but instead taking advantage of people who don't know enough to call out their instruction.
Great video as always Mike. You're an awesome role model on every level.
True to his schools name "israeli" lol you'll get j00d
They're even sprinting wrong though 🤦😂
@@jasonmelhorn8917 hahahah!!! Yah!!! They look like fockn ducks waddling their way to the flippin' butchers block!!😁 LoL.....what absolute goofs
@@jasonmelhorn8917 facts 😂😂😂😂
They are larping and getting paid for it.
Mike, I'm a former IDF paratrooper and security officer here in Israel. This is NOT the standard for CQB we have here, I PROMISE. No idea who these dudes are or who the heck trained them but we have plenty of schools here that would set the record straight for you in a second. Take care man, love the content
I think that your meant to peek with the muzzle of the weapon
@@Lukeclout No, you go through the door and kill the enemy. Peeking and hesitation get you killed. The enemy is not hesitating. On a team, whoever was behind these bozos would kick/push them through the door and use them as cover if necessary. Shit like this is how you get a whole fireteam killed.
Exactly, the zohan would never do CQB like that foolishness.
You don’t mess with the Zohan!
@@javyvaq1628 first off he'd do CQB in speedos.
This is brilliant! This has to be the pilot episode for the Special Forces version of Reno 911. Hope some network picks it up.
Only went a few comments in, but I'm surprised no one mentioned the sweet tactical hip check the blue shirt threw on his "buddy" while they were both silhouetted in the doorway. He just saved his life from that round the paper target had lined up on his crouching "buddy's" head.
They also apparently love doorways, and like the first thing i learned in a CQB class was "NEVER STAND IN A DOORWAY" they'll clear a whole room with both of them posted up in the actual door frame with no cover or concealment. An untrained person who could hear them coming would get them in a home defense scenario, let alone clearing a room of genuine, trained hostiles.
Same. A Co 2/54 in 1999 for boot camp and that was my first “aha” moment of CQB. Get out of the fatal funnel. I’m 40 now and still shoot straight enough for hunting deer and elk but I have forgotten 99% of my CQB if I’m honest but….I didn’t forget that little nugget. Pretty big red flag when they set up a tent in the doorway on top of each other.
They don't follow the principle of room dominance. They view themselves as the "fatal funnel" not realizing that the moment the first man kicks the door the attention of the enemy is immediately focused in that direction. By the time he would have brought his gun up, he would have already received rounds coming at him in the doorway which would have likely pushed them back or killed them outright. That is why you have to push through that doorway and get to your spot in the room engaging targets. If you are clearing a building with unarmed combatants then their technique is just fine. Lol
@@zacharybrown5325 Yeah. These guys were on some drugs or had ADHD or something. I have zero experience in this but I imagine room clearing to be a alot slower paced then this. Methodical and carefully executed maneuvers. As the team gets more proficient it gets quicker but I don't ever see soldiers running in footages in room clearing.
Right like “let’s just fill every inch of the fatal funnel with our intire team so all anyone hast to do to kill one or both of us is point there gun at the door and shoot.
The owner is deranged if you see any reviews that question him he blows up in the comments saying “we train navy SEALs you must be jealous of us” and stuff like that. Clearly the sign of someone who is confident in their program lol. He leaves his phone number and says anyone can call him to ask about the tactics in the videos, id love for Mike to get him on and breakdown what is going on from both perspectives.
Lets see if we can get Rob Oneil to call him.
That's funny because I could have sworn the navy teaches their seals. Not some random private company.
@@200130769 Literally
give him and his comrades a paintball gun and get some random guys of the street and i am certain they will not walk through a building unscathed.
@@erikkayV yea live on the operator podcast :D
This showed up on my homepage again after year. Still entertaining. Maybe they're the best peak-a-boo CQB trainers in the world.
Thanks for the Emotion Damage man..keep it rockin 🤙
As a former active duty Marine MOUT instructor... this was scary to watch... But I can explain the gun flick you mention around 4:54ish. It's a chamber check, the idea is with the gun up, you can look past the chamber while still being in an engagement ready position, to make sure you have no obvious malfunctions, we taught it as part of our S&A after each engagement.
I was about to say the same but you beat me to it. #semperfi
Theres is extremely exaggerated ...
@@supremelordgodking1226 thank you for your cervix borther
We did the same in the Army. But theirs is way over done.
@@timesthree5757 exactly
I was in Ramadi back in 03 as an 0311, so it's been a long time since I got my bachelor's in home invasion. Accordingly, I'm sure I'm very rusty at this point and a lot must have changed since then in terms of what is fashionable in cqb. This being said, watching these two clowns was mortifying, considering their purported credentials and despite all the time that has transpired since I did this for a living. They definitely have the intensity part somewhat right, and that's about the only positive thing I can say. They are clumsy, jittery, and generally seem to be a liability more than anything else. They stop in killzones (doorways). If I had done that in training or in combat the guys behind me would have shoved me through the door and used me as a human shield (The correct procedure for when a man gets hit making entry). They don't buttonhook and pie off the room which means that they would have been shot in the back in each room they cleared. They stopped to make lengthy communication in the middle of a sweep and clear, which means that any enemy in succeeding rooms not only knows they're coming but has had ample time to set in and prep a defense. They try to move fast, but they're so spastic in those movements that it nullifies any positive gains from being quick (slow is smooth, smooth is fast). Moving through a building should be a continuous, nonstop flow from beginning to end with every inch of each room scanned by a team who has practiced the movement so much they no longer even need to communicate, but instead complete the entire process with each man knowing his responsibilities without any need for sorting things out on the fly. Also as a side note, going in guns blazing is a last resort. if you know the house is hot and have the means, frag or flash every room as a precaution before entry. You'll increase your odds that way.
Did you happen to be attached to AAV's?
Were you at blue diamond, hurricane point, or...what was the other one? Sharkbase, or shark fin or something like that?
I was just going to comment that they fill the fatal funnel nicely. Great place to park your vital organs for dose of lead poisoning coming their way. There are too many of these clowns selling their nonsense to anyone with some money.
Wait. So when your buddy gets hit u shove him through the door and use him as a human shield? Im not doubting you or your credentials, i totally believe you. But that seems totally fucked.
What would the DI's say if this happened during SOI?
my jaw was half-dropped the whole video, then i started to chuckle after taking a moment at the end...
I've never done actual training. I've had friends in the military who showed me clearing tactics when we played paintball. Things like were to set up before and after a breach, paning a room and some very basic stuff like that.
So I'm not the best or super gunner by Any means but these guys were scary to watch. I'd hate to have them on my team. The one I'd be worried was going to shoot me cause he comes up rapidly from one side to the other bumps his partner and shoots very close at a target that had already taken rounds from one person. Id be worried he would bump me and either id go to move or end up losing my balance and hed shoot me. The other I'd be worried was going to let us get shot in the back. And how neither really understood their roles and who was going through the door first. I'd be worried we'd get stuck for a half a second and let whoever on the other side light us both up.
CQB is a sychcronized teamwork function...strickly for seasoned pros, for us rookies, don't sweep me bro, and don't shoot from behind me...
I've seen footage of that technique going really bad. As in, "scooping your buddy's brains off the floor after you shot him by accident", kinda bad.
@@sigspearthumb3249 f
*strictly
and don’t knock me over in the doorway! 😂😂😂
@@sigspearthumb3249 I did glass house with sim rounds and got friendly fired on, took a round the left nut. went right around the flap on my iba. Second worst pain I've ever felt.
After four or five classes, even an amateur like me knows this is terrible - how on earth can you shoot from behind like that when your partner might move into the muzzle!!?!?!?!?!
bro i live in a country where i cant own guns or attend training classes, and i know this is bad.
It’s called a field of fire, similar to field of view you have a cone you can shoot in maybe it’s 360 degrees if your the only one. Maybe it’s 15 degrees if you have a whole squad. This is so everyone has an angle they can shoot in and not hit each other. This gets very chaotic when there’s lots of people and bullets start flying past your head. Instead a new technique is used, you position yourself next to a teammate, and use body contact to insure you are both shooting on the same line therefore the possibility of shooting them decreases. But yes you should not fire at a target if your buddy is in front of you. He is in your field of fire so he takes over, a threat emerges he shoots it never you.
@@RekzysTheTitan move to America! In SoCal you can train w/ the man TOMORROW!
@@surfingonmars8979 Ya but you can't own anything with a mag larger than 10 rounds. And if you own an AR (good luck actually getting one) you have to have that BS fin grip.
Point being, don't move to SoCal if you want to get a gun.
@@doms.6701 I got 7-8 handguns, two ARs, an M2, a 1301 - and the 10 rd mag limit is a joke.
Standing in the kill zone together at the same time. No fluid movements. No angles, the peekaboos made me laugh! I have never taught my soldiers or anyone to peekaboo, more often than naught if you can see the enemy they can probably see you as well. As a regular soldier though my cqb skills need some critiqing as well. Lol great video.
Love when they both try to go through the same door lol. Side note I still yell get out of the door way to my wife and kids. when they stop just for a second bringing in groceries.
this looks really really dangerous how theyre clearing, someones gonna get hurt with these lessons.
No one is going to get hurt... Except all the people they're going to kill.
Yea the innocent civilians they use it on
When you watch guys like Mike do CQB, it is so fluid and precise, those two clowns look like the Keystone Cops.
Worse, they look like Steven Seagal trying to clear a room
they run back and forth between rooms, like wtf. CLEAR ONE room at a time, and CLEAR IT FULLY. going back and forth is just asking to be shot in the back.
It would be interesting to see people like me (never professionally trained) do a force on force against these guys using blue guns. I know I'm not the greatest shot on the planet but if they post up in every door way and I hear them sprinting to the door I'm going to light them up. I know some basics when it comes to clearing though never properly tested, so I wonder how conventional clearing would comapre to whatever the hell they were doing.
Nice to see that even the pros can miss the real problem.
At 3 times in this very short video the guy in green moves the point of his loaded weapon over the leg of his team mate.
Pointing your weapon at your allies is a no go red
The only “cqb training” that I have is like 3 and half years of paintball and even I was able to laugh along at this 😂
Paintball can be great cqb training
Dominating clearing etc
Its all angles and exposure it all applies
Lateral movement and reactionary gaps kicks ass in paint ball
Actually paintball and airsoft are great at teaching you quickly to check your corners, slice the pie, and supress and move
Paintball/airsoft is good, as you have an actual opponent as well as physical „i’m dead” feedback. Getting tagged in the kidneys from weird angles is a good enough teacher of where to hang out and where not to
The guys in the video; they just started paintball. And watching Seagal movies. And CoD. And cocaine. That's why they're so excited.
I'll take you and your 3.5 years of paintball, over these two knuckleheads arrogant enough to think they should train anyone, on my team, any day of the week.
This just looked like running chaos to me! Every movement was over exaggerated and they were in way to big of a rush to get killed. If you want to see how poorly these guys did watch the video with Mike and the guys from GRBS and then watch this, back to back. Mike and the fellas moved and flowed like precision and no one had to say word to anyone else, these guys are just chaos!
I like that..my style is running chaos..
Hahaha.. these clowns are the rest of their team. These boys are flat out bullet catchers
@@KeterMalkuth nope, not even an annoyance to the pros.
@@somebb HA!
These guys would have either 1) got shot by the enemy or 2) shot each other!
The new term is anatomical ports. I agree with you on your comments.
I was holding my face in horror and laughter watching this.
Like Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd trying to catch the rabbit, and competing with each other.
I just realized what this reminds me of, they are acting how you act if you have played a training level on a game 50 times and know exactly where every target is and are not acting as if it's a new situation and there are unknowns.
They going for that 3rd star.
They think theyre Allen trying to impress Shepard
Basic Principles, as a basic soldier you are taught (in the British military) that your Barrel goes where your eyes go... its no good having your barrel at low or high ready when the T heard the Breach and is expecting you.
Also these guys knew where the targets were and they still broke fundamental rules, #1 is always right.. #2 adapt....
So what do you guys do when your barrel goes towards an ally, just keep it up or do you have to guide to their feet and back up again, in some big U shape? Lol
I noticed that too right off the bat they were huddled up looking into rooms with their heads sticking out with their weapons down
It's really nice when you know where the paper target is already. One, it won't move; two, it won't shoot back. The chamber check was something I saw back in early 2000's or 1990's from similarly minded people. I do understand that checking your ammo or checking for stoppages before moving from cover is a good thing (not CQB necessarily unless you got time and cover/buddy coverage/ lull in gun fight// NOT DYNAMIC ) when sand and debris might get into the weapon (again the IDF was where I saw this "allegedly" coming from). You get a bad mag, bad ammo, bad blowing dust, bad mama mad at you and so forth yeah checking before moving might seem prudent; but not in dynamic CQB. Anyone got a trainer in the IDF now that can speak to this chamber check thingy?
MP here, I’ve done plenty of active shooter/room clearing training. These guys were dead the second they entered the door way. Even if it’s not a center fed room, man 1 calls his path and second man does the opposite, whether it’s heading left and right or going straight down the wall, depending on the room layout. Anywhere you can’t see is dead space and should be treated as though there are hostiles hidden behind it. Not trying to offend, but if it comes down to being offended or being killed, it’s a pretty obvious choice. Great video.
I went to basic with a guy who went to this school, both of us at the time had 5+ years working in infantry line units from Joe's to squad leaders, he truly believed in this "theroy" because they claimed the Israelis were using it. He sent me videos etc of doing this same peekaboo shit with handguns but solo. He now works as a contractor for Garda, hope he doesn't use this wherever he is.
He won't ever, it's a boring job. I was going to work for this company in my area and nothing has ever happened. They didn't even have to tell me in the introduciton to give up the money if it ever did happened, the gun was just to defend your own life.
@Jiggy B I personally didn't serve and talking to people in the introduction don't feel that way back then when I've met them. One of them served in the army and said they rather work in that transport position vs being posted at along side the base where she's witnessed people lauching explosives at them.
@Jiggy B Sorry I can't explain this simpler for you or you just don't understand any of it.
This peekaboo looks like they once heard about pieing off a room but didn't catch the part about using your gun to do it.
Even if you don't get shot on the peek, you just gave away your exact position and head height to the guy inside who's absolutely going to dome you when you try to enter.
Lmao garda tried to hire me because of my military background. I thought it was a terrorist group trying to have a good time with me.
The tactical stand in the fatal funnel tactics
About peekaboo, I’ve seen German KSK do peekaboo with muzzle up behind doorway concealment at 90 degrees , and it holds up during force on force with penetrable walls, but this is different
99% of airsofters do better CQB than this 🤣
Not me though, I do CQB exactly like this.
I have a perfect method of CQB: RUN AWAY!!!!!!!
Speedsofters would have filled day with these clowns, I'm a speed-mil who if possible will on occasion shoot like a terrorist when the ref isn't looking 🤣
Oh I was just waiting for some kid to bring up airsoft… 🤦♂️
@@Ac22768 whats wrong with airsoft😂😂😂
@@iramosin8724 this
That weapon flip looks like they're checking the chamber for malfunctions before moving on, like they watched an old Magpul training video on mute in a store one time and didn't understand the context.
Im no expert but the part that made me go: "something is not right". Is when they were both squeezed together in the door frame shooting at something
Legend has it they are still trapped in the training centre trying to get out.
ive only done a few cqb classes. Im a gunsmith and while going through the program, i met a fellow student who was actually an old OIF and OEF vet and he ran a small training school based on his experience in the military and as a swat officer in Colorado, and hes a cool dude, but hes hilarious and gave anyone in the program a 2 day breacher course for free so that we could better understand our clients because some of us were wanting to work with the government and military as contract gunsmiths, and we all wanted to better understand what these guys were facing and things that would better aid them, not to mention whenever they described a problem to us, we would have an understanding what they were experiencing. I am not an operator, and as fun as it was to run around practice breaching rooms in this abandoned building they had scheduled for demo, I know my place is at the work bench and not in the field. BUT, even I saw a lot of problems. i didnt catch the peek a boo, but them just daintaly kicking the door and then just sitting in it? Fatal funnel all day, move through it because if youre not moving youre dying
The whole time I was imagining a side by side of this vid and the GBRS cqb vids y'all did and just what efficiency looks like. Then my Army brain kicked in and went straight to Mike, DJ and Cole doing a parody of these tactics lol. Keep up the great lessons Mike. People always need to learn and grow
I kept hearing DJ say "don't rush to your death"
i was picturing the same thing
I need to watch this now. It’s gotta be funny.
I can feel my Cadre holding back from tearing my phone from my hands and tossing it in the air like a clay pigeon.
Gotta love the high-low in the doorway. It looks like someone watched the Bollywood version of John Wick and made a duo's CQB class.
I huge thank you for what you share online here Mike, I am far from a expert, and regretably there are tons of "experts" on online media, and the average guy doesn't know how to tell the difference between the psuedo expert and the real expert, that would include me. Your breakdowns are gold, never apologize or feel like breaking down bad technique is calling out anyone, you are quite literally equiping people with knowledge that could save their lives via reprogramming and rewriting bad techniques acquired,
I was taught a long time ago, if youre going to peekaboo to take a zone, youre giving up space youve already taken just to take it again
same as sweeping blind corner if you don't swing your body with the gun you're fighting for space you're already in
The way they come through that door , even in a video game that would get you killed
I couldn't help it and went to their youtube channel, their latest video is an attack in a restaurant drill, they literally push the client over and both got up to run at the attackers, leaving the client on his own with no protection. So awesome to watch, and of course in a restaurant everyone sits on the same side as the table lol. On their webpage they have the windows open on the contact side and they are shooting at the bad guys out the windows!?!
They knew where the targets were, and focused on that.
And apparently they both had to engage each target. Like a match, where speed over tactics is emphasized.
But... They clearly did teamwork though, so wtf? Lol
@@dravenocklost4253 that's not teamwork, its a dance with guns. That kind of "speedrunning" will get you killed in a real scenario
I swear you're one of the old school guys. Even with react/commentary you're straight to the point and articulate things to where it's impossible not to understand it. Wish I was surrounded by NCOs like you.
There's always been shtty NCOs. Learn from it so one day you'll be less shtty and troops will want to emulate your example.
@@misc6969 I got out for that exact reason. Was tired of shit rising and the good guys getting passed over. But that's how it is, how it was for me, how it was for my dad and my grandpa (though in my grandpa's day you could go from e-2 to e-6 in about a week, depending on how poor your leadership was.)
@@misc6969 I did exactly that. Mirrored the qualities I loved and trashed the qualities I didn't. Unless there's valor awards involved or you've done some amazing shit that's gone public, there's not so groovy gatekeepers that could care less about your advancement.
Wow, I have nothing else. Just wow!
The funniest part is they both enter the room at same time and get stuck 😆
Loved how at one point the guy in green gestures for the guy to move forward and the guy runs in the opposite direction and kicks the door in behind them instead.
I’m completely clueless on any of this… and even I was like “Dang… someone’s gonna die doing this or taking this class”
As soon as it started, I thought, "Israelis."
Was at a poker table the other night and was talking with another vet about our service. Some Israeli guy tells us we suck and Israeli services are best and that he was in Israeli recon. I could have asked 100 questions that he couldn't have answered that any Israeli recon services guy could have answered, but I didn't. I thought about challenging him because of his hands. Instead, I said something about his hands.
"Sir, any service person who works his way to a top-tier force, shows proof of the undertaking in his hands. You though, have hands like a little girl's."
He replied, "We have special gloves in the Israeli military."
The ingenuity of these stolen valor guys is comical.
If he truly was an Israeli then excepting medical disqualification, they have universal conscription and he very well could’ve been. I do hard oilfield work and have for 10 plus years and I’m just starting to get rough hands 😂 it’s possible if you wear gloves.
Damn, I know there's different ways to do room clearing but I've never seen anything like this. Whatever happened to slow is smooth and smooth as fast? And since when do you engage targets from the Fatal funnel?
The scariest part is in this run more than once there could have easily been friendly fire.
After being with my unit and doing BD6 for what felt like months I have one word: silhouette. I always appreciate your videos, you're doing a service for your serviceman.
Mike, I love the series. I think it would be awesome if you showed the video, explained what they did wrong, and then cut to you at a range with a mock set up of the situation and show the correct movement/tactic’s.
Aside from the "cut to you at a range" part he did tell you what they were doing wrong and why.
I think they teach the ability to know were the targets will be...as others here already pointed out it the sort of "clearing" you do when you know were all the targets are beforehand
The way I was trained breech man goes in last, also, these guys never looked up, even once to clear the ceiling, which sounds strange, but in a environment you can’t assume there’s not a hole in the ceiling with some dude trying to kill you from upstairs
"OK we're gonna clog up each doorway as we come to it. Sound good?"
"Yeah, that way nobody can get past us!"
"Dude we're the $hit!"
*high-fives each other*
If they're going to peekaboo, the better way would be to pie around the threshold to do an initial clear before breaking the threshold. This would be a much better idea if concerned about barricaded shooters or traps. Your gun is up and you're in position to break the shot first, while mitigating risk by visually clearing a good portion of the room.
he was trying to bait the AWP XD
@@zwenkwiel816 I would have kick the green shirt guy in first. Let him draw all the enemy fire and expose all their positions.
Ey brother thanks for the quite funny scary vid to react to hehe
Btw what's your suggestion in replacement of their
Peekaboo method?
That technique seems to work for Mike Tyson back in his prime
Hehe
Cheers 🍻
LMAO the aggression on that first door opening with them all literally stacked up in a line directly in front of the door 🤣🤣 I shouldn’t have laughed. Wtf is this
I talked to an Australian 1 commando buddy and he said when he was in the Ghan his guys would walk past the entrance to a room pie the room with his gun first. This way he could see the contents of the room first, present his body armour towards the threat instead of side on, if he gets shot at then its easier to duck out of line of sight or if hit then be dragged out of the way. By doing that they see the majority of the room and only have to clear blind spots. If a bad guy is in the room then they chuck in grenades and stick a Machine gun around the corner and spray the room.
Start pieng the room again and if they see that the threat is neutralised then they storm the room or chuck more grenades and machine gun fire if he is still there. If the enemy guy cannot be dislodged they might evac the building and call an airstrike down or bring up a vehicle to pump rounds into the building. They only assault a room if its perceived to be clear.
Is this peekaboo created by israeli
this sounds reminiscent of "shake and bake" room clearing
The best way is to do a two or more man clear. The person who usually gets shot isn’t the first through, but actually the second guy, but with two people, not only do you have double to firepower, but the enemy will give a very slight delay on target priority, which can be enough for one or both of you to take them down.
As for me, I’d rather not get shot in the first place. Mobility is the key to winning firefights. Makes you hard to hit and gets you to better places.
@@jesusofbullets how do you clear a room if everyone is already pointing at your direction.
@@jmgonzales7701 welcome to the basic conundrum of cqb: how do you shoot someone prepared without getting shot first?
consensus since mogadishu is overwhelming force and violence instead of methodical and careful for a multiplicity of reasons. a main one is human psychology: most importantly how an attacker's decision making works and how a defender reacts to stress. there's too much to write in a single comment but to give you an idea of what is done to make cqb happen with minimal casualties here are examples of both complex and simple shit like the above pragmatic australians developed:
- creating your own entry points from unexpected directions (that includes from below and above)
- considering the psychological state of your enemy, what motivates them, what will pressure them and what they will not tolerate
- having an utterly ridiculous stock of shock-, frag- and distraction grenades and applying them so liberally you're giving guys across town tinnitus
- being good enough to gauge barrier penetration to shoot through walls and know when you can fire into a room and not kill adjacent guys
- understanding that shock and pouring a bunch of men through a building like a tidal wave is as dangerous as it gets and utterly scary for the attacker but ultimately better for your survival and mission than pussyfooting around carefully
- embracing the fact that you are doing something suicidal
- thus further, being prepared to act with no hesitation, no thoughts, no pauses to consider the best course of action, at a moment's notice without warning being able to beat a frightened teenager to death with his own helmet after he walked right into you in a dark hallway. only kill, only kill.
i trained a shitload for this specifically and learnt from guys who did the above for real, all it did was make me happy i never had to do my job.
Mike, give these guys a break….they’re from the Salvation Army National Guard
Not to mention these are their best......Ultra Delta Special Forces S.E.A.L Commando SAS SASR Tier 1 Division Unit Section!
Lol
That's offensive to both the Salvation Army and the National Guard!
Don't forget about the british special forces SBS
I've only used strong wall in basic training, everything after that has been opposing corners, points of domination.
Verbal communication is only to paint the room for the team and the follow on movement
When you finish Dale Browns defense course and immediately fly to Ukraine to “Get Some”…
"to Get Some" ...😂
Great video mike, I’m amazed neither of them got shot. Good to learn the faults in their tactics and movement
Only because no one was shooting back, only God's intervention could have saved them...
Oh I definitely learned a lot from them 😅
“Everything Not to do in CQB”
I'm not trained and never served but all I could think was like FATAL FUNNEL!!
I used to paintball for years as a teen and I swear we had better corner awareness and teamwork than this sheeeeesh.
I was just thinking about my paintball days as a teen when I Seen these girls talking about their air soft tactics.☺️😜
I was big into outdoor paintball for about 15yrs, over that time we played with a lot of ex military, current military & cops, most of them were the first ones hit... They were also the biggest cheaters, I can't count the times they tried to wipe off the paint or after being hit, shoot you like 10 times & claim they were first. After a bunch of temper tantrums, drama, cheating & some fist fights we stopped inviting them all together.
Thats cause you didnt want to get hit! These guys don't have people shooting back at them like you all did. Even if it was just "paintball"
I think the rotating the gun is the first half of the "magpul flip"; checking the bolt to see if it's seated or held-open before flicking the mag out. I'm sure they will explain it as checking for malfunctions before moving to the next engagement.
Correct. Pretty much an Israeli IDF SOP.
This one kinda hurt my brain. I'm guessing there was a lot of edits in your video since my first reaction was "what the actual .... ".
Way to keep it professional and direct.
Lol One of them almost tipped over while trying to get in the door.😂😂😂❤❤
Love that line.."I'm assuming this is a demonstration of their skills", hahahaha. Mike, I know you know what happens when you assume something .