Algebraic Approach to this one

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  • I wanted to try this one with this algebraic approach. It was fun to go through.

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  • @yxr1356
    @yxr1356 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2271

    how exciting

    • @AyushRawani_
      @AyushRawani_ 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      tbh that's the first thing that came to my mind after looking at the thumbnail

    • @thegreatdanet
      @thegreatdanet 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Yeah, I think Andy may have conditioned us, like Pavlov's puppies

    • @matematikgokseldir
      @matematikgokseldir 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      it's really disturbing

    • @egnazia
      @egnazia 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂😂

    • @UTU49
      @UTU49 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Well this kind of calculation is pretty easy using integration (Calculus), but it would be pretty satisfying to find an elegant geometric solution.
      I wonder if there is more than one elegant geometric solution.

  • @johnsanko4136
    @johnsanko4136 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1104

    Using the geometric shapes as placeholders for the numbers in the equation is a really great way to help people visualize what the numbers mean.

    • @HenrikMyrhaug
      @HenrikMyrhaug 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      He makes it look much worse than it actually is. Simply draw a few straight lines, and you see the blue area is equal to a much simpler shape. The lines needed are:
      1. A diagonal line down the middle of the lens shape
      2. A vertical line down from the top right corner of the lens.
      3. a diagonal line between the top left and bottom right corners of the big quarter- circle.
      With these three lines drawn on top of the figure, you can see the small lens-shaped part of the blue area is equal to two small half lenses. You can also see the long, thin part of the blue area is equal to a big half lens minus two small half lenses.
      This means the sum of the blue area is a big half lens minus two small half lenses plus two small half lenses, which is simply equal to a big half lens.
      You should also be able to see a big half lens is equal to the big quarter circle minus a big triangle.
      Since the quarter circle is πr^2/4 with r=4, we get a big quarter circle is 4π. Since the big triangle has a base and height both being the radius, we get the area of a big triangle is 4*4/2=8.
      The area of a the big half lens, which is equal to the area of the blue shape, is therefore equal to 4π-8.

    • @lotsaspaghetticodejr.6488
      @lotsaspaghetticodejr.6488 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I'm 35 years old and mad that math wasn't taught this way when I was in school

    • @TurdBoi666
      @TurdBoi666 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@HenrikMyrhaug womp womp

    • @Rest-bt8cy
      @Rest-bt8cy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is this possible using integration

  • @janda1258
    @janda1258 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +383

    Another method could be to ”move” the x-areas into the ”citcular hole” in the z-area. Doing this on both x-areas creates a non-shaded triangle of b=h=4 which means an area of 4x4/2=8. The area of the quarter circle is 4pi meaning the shaded area is 4pi - 8

    • @barbamonsalvegonzalo5898
      @barbamonsalvegonzalo5898 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      How exciting

    • @frankstrawnation
      @frankstrawnation 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Very clever

    • @battle00333
      @battle00333 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      This is really elegant.

    • @dashingrapscallion
      @dashingrapscallion 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      I came here to comment the same thing but saw that you beat me to it hahaha

    • @michalneubauer4325
      @michalneubauer4325 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      This is what I expected from the video, I wonder why he did not show this much simpler solution

  • @NEDinACTION
    @NEDinACTION 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +131

    nothing has ever blown my mind harder than the sentence "we can subtract triangle from both sides"! I absolutely love the way you think about these problems and these videos always make me smile.

  • @concrete401
    @concrete401 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +474

    First time I ever canceled a triangle

    • @drmodestoesq
      @drmodestoesq 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      It's the next phase of woke culture.

    • @er3n_genes1s21
      @er3n_genes1s21 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Lol ​@@drmodestoesq

    • @rohanofelvenpower5566
      @rohanofelvenpower5566 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It his weird way of doing maths. You move the triangle to the ither side of the equal sign you dont cancel both sides by the variable, triangle in this instance. Thats retardes.

    • @reuben8140
      @reuben8140 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Triangle’s remarks must be understood within the social context of his time

    • @xavi_6767
      @xavi_6767 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You beat me to it, ​@@drmodestoesq

  • @thibault9741
    @thibault9741 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +487

    Not as straight forward as I thought it will be but still exciting

    • @kuil123
      @kuil123 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      It's a bit confusing given that you have to make a bunch of assumptions, eg. the circles being perfect.
      I think that it makes the problem look much more difficult than it actually is. the picture should have listed the dimensions of the smaller shapes that are not meant to be derived through calculations but are essential to actually solving the problem.

    • @FirstPersonLife
      @FirstPersonLife 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      its pretty simple. i tried to figure it out for myself before watching, but i got stuck on the two x’s up until he used a right triangle, then it all came together for me

    • @HellecticMojo
      @HellecticMojo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@kuil123bruh, that's just coping.
      "What if the circle wasn't a circle" my ass

    • @kuil123
      @kuil123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HellecticMojo Coping? Dawg hop off the internet lmao.
      I literally said all it does it make it look more difficult, not that I couldn't solve it lol. You probably never studied past pre algebra so I totally understand your inability to understand my point.

    • @tizianoonaizit2994
      @tizianoonaizit2994 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​​@@FirstPersonLife before watching I thought the 2 Xs, added to the Zs, would have completed the "long side" of a square triangle with two sides of 4.
      So the Blue area would be:
      A quarter area of a circle with radius 4 - the area of a square triangle with sides of 4 (which is 4*4/2).
      I think it works

  • @ratzou2
    @ratzou2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

    both white areas can be cut and moved around to create simple 2x2 squares.. so the white area is 8 sq units, and the whole quarter circle is 4pi.
    There you have it, the blue area is 4pi-8.

    • @zmitter4844
      @zmitter4844 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      wait thats so smart

    • @unlimitedftw
      @unlimitedftw 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Damn that's smart

    • @BenDRobinson
      @BenDRobinson 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      exactly - I spotted that in about 20 seconds and thought "gee I hope doing it with the algebra is just a precursor to showing how much easier it is if you do a simple bit of geometry first" ... but I checked the whole video and no he never mentioned the much easier method - disappointing as I don't mind most of this guy's work.

    • @Zkflames
      @Zkflames 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      he literally says in the title "an algebraic approach"

    • @yoshi27661
      @yoshi27661 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      how do you cut it?

  • @eu4um
    @eu4um 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Since both 2x + y and x + y + z were equal to 2pi it was probably easier to just determine that x and z were equal to begin with, and that 2x + 2z can be renamed to 4x equals the area.
    Then once getting that pi - 2 is x, you can just multiply out to get 4pi - 8 is the area.

    • @arunkumarkadaganchi157
      @arunkumarkadaganchi157 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He's stupid

    • @goshagachechiladze4931
      @goshagachechiladze4931 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Exactly, i watched it twice cuz i thought i somehow missed the reason this solution wasn't viable. But it is. So i suppose the guy just did an extra 3 min of impressive graphics and basic geometry moves for no reason. Still very interesting choice of solution by him...

    • @TurdBoi666
      @TurdBoi666 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Womp womp

  • @doesnotexist6524
    @doesnotexist6524 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It's faster to recognize that the two x regions can be moved to mate with the z regions, creating a single circular segment of radius 4 and angle 90. Then it's just the area of the full quarter circle minus the area of the right equilateral triangle.

  • @Anonymous2-pt5ue
    @Anonymous2-pt5ue 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Lame Question: At 1:31, how do we know that the blue areas, x and z exactly meet at the centre? Isn't that an assumption critical to make y equals 2?

    • @SkyBreaker321
      @SkyBreaker321 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The two semi circles are identical, and the quadrant has a 90° angle. I don't know how to explain this, but i feel like these two facts can prove that x=2

  • @zaidq82
    @zaidq82 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I never visualized the equation like this ever in my life. This way of teaching makes it so simple and interesting.

  • @theduckthatsees225
    @theduckthatsees225 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I did this one a bit differently. Rather than focusing on the blue area, I found it by working out the white area and subtracting it from the area of the total shape.
    If we break it down, the white area is made up of two quarter circles plus an extra bit that we will get to later. To find the area of the quarter circles, each one has a radius of 2. Since the area of a quarter circle is πr²/4, we substitute in 2 to get:
    2²π/4 = 4π/4 = π
    Due to there being two of these quarter circles their total area would be 2π.
    If we drew a square of radius 2 around the pointed oval type shape in the bottom left, it becomes apparent that the white area within that square is equal to two of the remainding area when you draw a quarter circle of radius 2 within the square. Using the same formula, πr²/4, we can work out:
    2 * (4 - 2²π/4) = 2 * (4 - 4π/4) = 2 * (4 - π) = 8 - 2π
    Thus, the total white area is equal to:
    2π + 8 - 2π = 8
    Using πr²/4 once again, we can work out that the area of the total shape, as it has a radius of 4, is equal to:
    4²π/4 = 16π/4 = 4π
    Therefore, as it is equal to the total area minus the white area, the blue area is equal to 4π - 8 square units.

    • @Anira612
      @Anira612 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I also did it like this and got the same result as you 👍

  • @YardyHardy-z4h
    @YardyHardy-z4h 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love how you don't waste anytime over explaining things. Subscribed

  • @CuriousCyclist
    @CuriousCyclist 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    These problems are indeed fun and your enthusiasm is infectious. ❤

  • @bregenoranthoran1820
    @bregenoranthoran1820 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I was so excited around 1:40 when I saw Z and X were the same. I was like "I KNEW IT!"

  • @Oricorio-Pom-Pom
    @Oricorio-Pom-Pom 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I did it as the following: label the top blue part “A”, the bottom blue part “B”; take the 2x2 square around B. Area of B is the overlap between the two white parts in that square, since there is no empty parts, its just the combined area of the white parts in the square, mod the area of the square. A_whiteareas is just pi x d^2/8 = 2pi. Now we have area of B as 2pi mod 4 or 2pi-4. Now for the area of A. This is the area of the whole quarter circle, - the areas of the white + back the overlap. A_qcircle is pi x r^2 /4 = 4pi. Substituting with all the values we have gives 4pi - 4pi + 2pi - 4, canceling out the 4pi’s, we have area A as 2pi-4. Adding this with the other one gives us the final area of the blue as 4pi-8 u^2. Quite lengthy but thats just what came to mind when i saw it.

    • @Mydadwillnevercomeback
      @Mydadwillnevercomeback 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      omg i thought the exact same solution while taking a poop

  • @erengunaydn7602
    @erengunaydn7602 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The semicircles are the same because their diameters are the same. When you divide the large quadrant in half, the right and left are divided equally in half. Imagine bringing the two x's formed to the point where y and z intersect with a little imagination. The question is now like this: (quarter circle with radius 4) - (isosceles triangle with side 4) = (4π) - (8)

  • @Masfugo
    @Masfugo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    I think the most important think to solve this kind of question is knowing how to breakdown the shape into more workable form
    how exciting

  • @Falcon1203
    @Falcon1203 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    How exciting! I did it slightly differently, I took the bottom left part to be a square with sides 2. With that area being 4 square units, if I took away 1/4 of the circle with radius 2 from the 4 I would have a variable I called x. I saw that if you had a square of area 4 and you took away 2 of those x’s you’d be left with the blue value between the smaller circles. If you then took the whole quarter circle, took away 2 quarter circles of radius 2, the square of 4 and added back on the value found earlier you’d arrive at the same conclusion.

  • @missengsme77
    @missengsme77 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Umm... The diagonal helped, but after that, I did it this way.
    1) Draw the diagonal (like he did).
    2) Due to all the shapes being circles (and the way the lenses connect 90 degree radii), when the biconvex (the thinner blue section) is cut in half, you can "shift" those pieces to fit into the larger blue area's concave sections
    3) You now have one white right triangle and one blue plano-convex lens area. Simply subtract the area of the triangle from the area of the area of the quarter section of the larger circle.
    Alternatively, if you think of the smaller circles as rotate-able, you will see how I got the blue sections together more clearly. Also, his cutting of the sections at 1:36 will help see the triangles (and a leftover square) that you will have to subtract from the larger circle to get the remaining blue area.

  • @icarus-wings
    @icarus-wings 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What’s most fascinating about this is that z and x are the same area, despite not looking anywhere near the same area visually!

  • @VideoFusco
    @VideoFusco 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If you rotate the two blue circular segments until they are adjacent to the two uppermost blue pieces, the white and blue areas retain the values of their areas but with this maneuver the white area becomes an isosceles right triangle with legs equal to 4 (therefore area 8) and the blue area is a circular segment that has an area equal to the difference between the area of the quarter circle you calculated at the beginning (4pi) and the area of the white triangle (8). So the final area is 4pi-8.

  • @ElShaddollConstruct
    @ElShaddollConstruct 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I believe the way I calculated, is a little easier if you like thinking in shapes.
    Seeing that 1/4 * Pi4^2 = Pi2^2 ( a quarter big circle = 2 half small circle = small circle) you can see the both blue areas are the same size ( Since the overlapping 2 small circles form a blue "leaf", but that leaf should've filled the rest of the big quarter circle ).
    Now you just try to find out what that size of the leaf is. If you imagine 4 half circles in a 4x4 box you can see it forms 4 identical leafs. Meaning 4 half circles minus 4^2 (the box the half circles are in) equals 4 leafs. ( 2Pi2^2 -4^2) .
    Now just divide that by 4 and you get the area of a leaf. Double that and you get the whole blue area.
    It sounds complicated written out like this but once you imagine it, it's so much easier.
    Hf

    • @amirkb7206
      @amirkb7206 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Did it the same way, searched '4x4' in the comments and found your response xD

  • @vishalmishra3046
    @vishalmishra3046 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    *More simply* just draw a diagonal line from top-left to bottom-right. By symmetry the 2 half white lens are equal to the 1 full blue lens.
    So, the blue area answer = Area of the large quarter circle - Area of the large isosceles right triangle = pi / 4 (4 x 4) - (1/2 x 4 x 4) = 4 (pi - 2)
    More generally, the blue area = (pi/4 - 1/2) R^2 = *Area of the large quarter circle - Area of the large isosceles right triangle* .

  • @Ent229
    @Ent229 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I also like the geometry approach to this one. The quarter of the larger circle - both semi circles = 2z-2x. However the quarter of the larger circle (x2 radius = x4 area) is the same area as the smaller circle. So smaller circle - smaller circle = 0 = 2z-2x. Then you calculate 4x as the smaller circle - the square inscribed in the smaller circle. All together circle - circle +(circle - inscribed square) = circle - inscribed square = 2z-2x + 4x = 2x+2z.
    Beyond the joy of adding and subtracting the same circle, I like how it reveals 2x=2z.

  • @sawyerwest3990
    @sawyerwest3990 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I solved this by finding the areas of x and the semicircles so I could use subtraction to find the area of y and then z, but I like the methodology you used better because it is generalizable.
    1. Label the areas with N unknowns
    2. Find N linearly independent equations
    3. Row reduce the system of equations
    Thanks for sharing!

  • @Brett_G_Barnes
    @Brett_G_Barnes 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you draw a radius from each of the 2 semi-circles (one horizontal, one verticle), the lower left blue area can be seen as the overlap area of 2 small quarter circles contained within a square.
    The lower left blue area can be calculated by summing the areas of the 2 overlapping quarter circles (𝝅2²/4 + 𝝅2²/4) and subtracting the area of the shape formed by the perimeter of their outer (non-overlapping) edges which is the square that they are contained within (2²).
    The 2 radii drawn to create the square also form small quarter circles at the top left and bottom right.
    The upper right blue area can be calculated from the difference between the area of the large quarter circle (𝝅4²/4) and the sum of 3 areas: the 2 small quarter circles (top left and bottom right) and the area of the square (𝝅2²/4 + 𝝅2²/4 + 2²).

  • @drakkondarkspell
    @drakkondarkspell 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A little geometry makes this so much easier.
    Bisecting the quarter circle leaves you with the 2 x sections, which fit exactly into the scalloped section from the 2 z areas, which leaves the quarter circle with a redistributed shaded area in the curve, and an unshaded half square internally. This can be done because the two semicircles that make up the scalloped portions are exactly proportional to the larger circle. Bisecting the larger circle through the two smaller semi-circles leaves us with a tangent that is exactly half the length of the secant connecting the two points forming a hypotenuse with the radii making the right triangle.
    The area of the entire quarter circle is (pi*r^2)/4 with a radius of 4. This becomes (pi*4*4)/4, with a four cancelling above and below, leaving us with 4pi.
    The half square has an area of lw/2, which equals 4*4/2=8.
    The shaded area is therefore 4pi-8 sq unites.

  • @Formatsli
    @Formatsli 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Andy your the greatest teacher at math in youtube, please teach us how to make it simpler because alot of people are having a hard time, only few can do this like you.

  • @ArchitectDrone
    @ArchitectDrone 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another fun solution is drawing a rectangle around the white area, size 2x4. Cut it in half, size 2x2. The “positive space” in one is equal to the negative space in the other, which means you can put the two half’s together and get one whole square of area 4

  • @TheJaguar1983
    @TheJaguar1983 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like this solution. I did mine a slightly different way:
    Got the full area as 4π and the smaller semi-circles as 2π.
    I then split the semi-circles in half and subtracted that from the area (4π - 2π = 2π)
    I then took the total area of the overlap of the semi circles (2²=4) and subtracted half of a semi circle (4-π) giving me the remaining non-blue area in the second half of one of the semi-circles
    Finally, I subtracted twice the second calculation from the first one and got my answer (2π - 2(4-π)=2π - 8 + 2π=4π - 8)
    Hope that makes sense,

  • @bobbsurname3140
    @bobbsurname3140 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I used the square corner and its two quarter circles to get the shape area of 4+2pi.
    Then the area of the two semicircles is 4pi, and the area of the large quarter circle is also 4pi.
    The blue eye is obtained by subtracting the main shape from the semicircles, and the blue spectre is obtained by subtracting the main shape from the large quarter.
    They both result in 2pi-4. Added together its 4pi-8.

  • @the_verTigO
    @the_verTigO 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My approach was this:
    To calculate the area of the eye shape (your 2 x'es) simply do 2 quarter circles with radius 2 minus 1 square with an edge length of 2, so:
    2 * (π * 2² /4) - 2² = 2π - 4 => the "eye" shape
    Then calculate the area of the large quarter circle like you did and subtract 2 half circles with radius 2, then add 2 "eyes", so:
    π * 4² / 4 - 2 * (π * 2² / 2) + 2 * (2π - 4) = 4π - 4π + 4π - 8 = 4π - 8
    This also means, that the white area is exactly 8.

  • @bastianrevazov7425
    @bastianrevazov7425 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    please solve more stuff with algebra
    i get so excited when algebra is in play

  • @EJBWraithlin
    @EJBWraithlin 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Split the quadrant into an octant along the symmetey axis and note that the blue area (x) matches rhe convext component of y.
    Swap those two areas to show that the octant contains a white triangle and a blue convex element.
    Reverse the symmetry of the octant to reform the quandrant as a white triangle with a blue convext element.
    Total area = 4pi.
    Triangle = 0.5 x 4 x4 = 8
    Blue area = 4pi-8

  • @timferguson2795
    @timferguson2795 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting, the comments have all found in many different ways.
    Mine was:
    If you make your small 2 x 2 square as you did surround the x sections. You can solve for the white of a single side and add it to half semi circle to get one of your Y area's in the video. Then can multiply be 2 to get all area of white and minus from blue quarter circle to get answer.
    Area of small white section in small square
    =( 2*2- ((π(2^2))/4) = 4-π
    Area of white quarter circle
    =(π(2)^2)/4 = π
    Total area white sections ( your Y multiply by 2)
    =2*(4-π+π) = 8
    Blue quarter circle minus white
    = (π(4)^2)/4 - 8 = 4π -8

  • @Jacobiano_
    @Jacobiano_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2(x+z) makes a segment of the whole quarter circle, so you can take the area of the quarter circle 4π and substract the area of the right triangle formed by both radii, which is 4x4/2, obtaining the same solution in like 5 seconds

  • @tobyanderson5360
    @tobyanderson5360 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great way to do for the sake of completeness and understanding. You can find out that z and x are equal from the start if you just consider the sum of the areas of the two semicircles being equal to the sector itself. From that you can just call both shaded parts X. From there I just drew 2 lines as you did creating a box and solved for X.

  • @michaelbuckers
    @michaelbuckers 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The area of the big quarter-circle is the same as the area of two small half-circles, subtract and get 0, carry the blue bean because it's subtracted twice. The area of the blue bean is 2x area of small quarter-circle minus half area of square (cut diagonally), so 1/4π2² - 2²/2 = π - 2, times two. Carry the blue bean, the answer is 4π - 8.

  • @howardhavlicsek5031
    @howardhavlicsek5031 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Simple visual solution: Draw the line from (0,4) to (4,0), the triangle formed has an area of (BH/2) = 4x4/2 = 8. Note that the area "x" can be rotated outside the triangle to fill the space between the diagonal and the area "z". This means that the area of the quarter circle minus the area of the triangle is the area in blue. The area of the quarter circle is easily calculated as 4pi so the difference in areas (blue area) is 4pi-8.

  • @ctsquad501st3
    @ctsquad501st3 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a Calc student who just learned how to find area so I would find x using the top and bottom bounds. Add the semi circles together and subtract x and then subtract what's left from the quarter circle to get z

  • @nageshodedra5367
    @nageshodedra5367 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If we take one x and rotate it by 90 degree taking center of semicircle to put it close to near z. Similarly do it for second x for second semicircle we will get triangle of 4×4 because lines of will be connected to become straight line.
    Then blue area will be= area of quadrant with radius 4 minus area of triangle of both base 4.
    1/4 circle of 4 - square triangle of 4
    = 1/4 π 4×4 - 1/2 ×4×4
    = 4(π-2)

  • @MarcoPolo-xu9te
    @MarcoPolo-xu9te 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Amazing, great question and an elegant solution!

  • @ericlingg7329
    @ericlingg7329 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I used a much simpler solution. First I found the area of the large quarter circle 4pi. I drew two lines going from the center point of the intersection to create 2 quarter circles which have a radius of 2 and an area of pi. Instead of finding x, you can easily find the white area inbetween the midpoint and the weird curve that bounds x. Just use the square which has an area of 4 then subtract the area of the semi circle now its an area of 4 - pi. Subtract 2pi, for each quarter circle, and 4 - pi, for each weird curve region, from 4pi. You get 4pi - 8.

  • @FloydRinehart
    @FloydRinehart 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I saw 2x + y = 2π and x + y + z = 2π, and from that got x = z. Wouldn’t save you all that much work, but it would mean you could work in two variables from then on.

  • @GijsvanDam
    @GijsvanDam 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you see that the area of the large quarter circle with radius 4 is equal to the area of the two half circles (with radius 2) combined, you know that the the area where the two half circles overlap is (the eye shaped blue area) equal to the area where neither of them overlap with the large quarter circle (the "weird" shaped blue area). Another way of thinking about that is that, since you need both half circles to cover the entirety of the bigger quarter circle, every piece that is covered twice by those half circles will by definition remain uncovered someplace else.
    When I saw that, I calculated x from Andy's explanation and multiplied it by 4 to get the answer.

  • @stephencurry1609
    @stephencurry1609 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    quick question, how do u prove that intersection between x areas and z areas is located exactly half of the two semi sphere, making 90 degree angle, which ultimately leads to a conclusion that height of the triangle is 2?

    • @purplepotatoes9255
      @purplepotatoes9255 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Assuming the two half circles are proper half circles, their "centers" if they were whole circles would be exactly in the middle of the lines they're on, labeled 4 units long.
      Radius from that point going directly up and from the other half circle going directly to the right would get you the coordinate point (2,2), if you imagine the bottom right being the origin. So the triangles would be 2 units high. 🤙

    • @varunmadhavan3227
      @varunmadhavan3227 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You need to prove that before going on to use it. You can't just use intuition. Not how math works

    • @rya1701
      @rya1701 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Draw a line between the center of both semi circles. Because the two semi circles have the same radius, and the bottom left corner is a right angle, it has to be a 45-45-90 triangle. Both semi circles intersect st the corner of that triangle, and by symmetry, both semi circle has to intersect at the same point again opposite to the line. Combining these two triangles create a square with side length 2 with corners at the intersections and the centers of both circles.

  • @eatencheetos3937
    @eatencheetos3937 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just wanted to say I really like your channel! Keeping math fun!

  • @logx-ow1us
    @logx-ow1us 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This was on my math homework(7th grade advanced) and it was a fun problem. It was satisfying once everything lined up.

  • @careernerd2135
    @careernerd2135 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I did it a bit differently but got the same answer.
    I drew a 2x2 square and subtracted a quarter-circle with radius 2 to get the section of the white part of y that would be inside of said square and outside said arc (a). Then I doubled it noting that the same deduction is made on the other side of the arc (b). I subtracted that number from the 2x2 square which returned 2Pi-4.
    I then noted that everything outside of z within the 4 radius quarter-circle can be described by a 2x2 square plus 2 quarter-circles. In other words, Z could be described by subtracting the r=4 quarter-circle with a 2x2 square and 2 r=2 quarter-circles. So, z could therefore be described as Z= ((4x4xPi)/4) - 2(2x2xPi)/4 - 4. This came out to 2Pi-4. Add Z and X together and you get 4Pi-8.

  • @mn1729
    @mn1729 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks!

    • @isaacqian-e3d
      @isaacqian-e3d 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wow

    • @AndyMath
      @AndyMath  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wow, thank you so much for the Super Thanks! Your support means a lot to me!

  • @ikcikor3670
    @ikcikor3670 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You could also just subtract the semi-circle from the entire shape twice (PI*4^2/4-PI*2), then since we subtracted the 2*x blue zone twice we calculate x same as in the video, add it 4 times to the shape and boom we got the result

  • @anomanderrake440
    @anomanderrake440 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This channel is great. Love it all

  • @rahulbanerjee6933
    @rahulbanerjee6933 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Area of quater circle- (π4²/4)
    Area of trangle - (½ * 4*4)
    Now substract the trangle area from the quater circle area.
    (π4²/4)-(½ * 4*4)= 4(π-2)

  • @knotwilg3596
    @knotwilg3596 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Call the radius of the big circle as R (4 in the example)
    The radius of the small circle is then R/2
    The blue area consists of two parts: the overlap between the small circles, X, and the outer part Z.
    First we show that X=Z
    Area big circle = pi R² => area of the quarter shown = pi R²/4
    Area small circle = pi (R/2)² => sum of areas of the two half circles shown = pi R²/4
    Compared to each other, the big quarter has Z in excess, the sum of the two half circles has X in excess. Their area being equal, X=Z
    Next we concentrate on the overlap X and look at the square with side R/2 which has total area R²/4
    It consists of the X and two equal leftover pieces Y. So X+2Y = (R/2)²
    In the quarter of the small circle: X + Y = pi (R/2)²/4 or 2X + 2Y = pi (R/2)²/2
    subtracting one of the other gives X = (pi/2 - 1) (R/2)²
    The blue part being X+Z it is 2X = (pi - 2) (R/2)².
    Fill in R=4 to get the result 4pi-8

  • @GeorgeD1
    @GeorgeD1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Since we quite early on established that the big quarter circle's area is 4π, and later established that y = 4, we could have stopped there, after a single substraction. The blue area is 4π - 2y; or 4π - 8.

  • @ChickenGeorgeClooney
    @ChickenGeorgeClooney 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The way I did it started with finding the area of the quarter circle (4 pi) and trying to break that down until we isolated the blue area. The two semicircles have areas of 2 pi, meaning that they can be divided into two quarter circles of area pi each. Each semicircle has a half that is wholly in the white area, meaning we know that there is 2pi not in the blue area, meaning that the remaining sections, the blue area that is outside of the semicircles and the area where the semicircles overlap, is equal to 2pi as well.
    You can then cut out a section where the other half of the semicircles are, making a square equal to area 4, meaning that the upper blue area is equal to 2pi - 4. If we call the lower blue section X, we also know that each of those white sections have an area of Pi (the area of the small quarter circle) minus X (the area of overlap), meaning that that total square is 2(pi - x) + x = 4. When you solve for X, it simplifies to x = 2pi - 4.
    So, the two areas of blue both equal to 2pi - 4, meaning combined they are 4pi - 8 :)
    So rare for me to be able to find the solution for one of these!

  • @imagod4796
    @imagod4796 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I used a different approach, where i calculated the area of the overlapping small half circles and of the big quarter circle separately.
    I first treated the half circle as a full circle and constructed a square inside it. Then took half of (the volume of the circle minus the volume of the square) to get the overlapping area.
    Then, I took the volume of the big quarter circle minus the volume of the 2 small half circles {which is just the area of a small full circle) plus the already calculated overlapping area.
    I got the same result.

  • @kevinkohut5096
    @kevinkohut5096 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This problem assumes the shapes to be a quarter circle and two semi circles. Either state those assumptions or properly label the diagram.

    • @fjordojustice
      @fjordojustice 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That really threw me off as well - I'd assumed going in that would be one of the main challenges of the problem. One can easily imagine a shape that to the naked eye looks nearly identical to this one, but that has a slightly more concave/convex arc and therefore a different area.
      I wonder if there is some reason this assumption could safely be made? I don't know enough about geometry to say, though that doesn't sound right to me. Even if that is the case, I wish he'd mentioned how he knew that everything was perfectly circlular.

  • @williamroe8905
    @williamroe8905 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    If you cut the white shapes along what would be their radius perpendicular to their base (e.g. into 2x2 squares), you'll get two pieces. If you put the two curved parts of the pieces together, you get a 2x2 square. Thus, [A] = 4^2*pi/4-2*(2*2)=4pi-8.

  • @skorpid-tm4531
    @skorpid-tm4531 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    fastest approach is as follows
    Area of semicircle = 4pi
    area of right angled triangle = (1/2)*4*4
    Hence 4pi - 8

  • @lulairenoroub3869
    @lulairenoroub3869 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If the inner half circles are added together to make 1 circle, it's 4Pi, same area as the bigger circle.
    Because of that, you know x and z are equal without doing anything else, because z literally is the space that x doesn't take up, because of the overlap

  • @quasistarsupernova
    @quasistarsupernova 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like how you smile while teaching, keeps the problem upbeat and exciting! :D

  • @SplashNoodle
    @SplashNoodle 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In fact, if you only want to know the blue area, once you know the value of y you just need to do area of the quarter circle - 2y. You don't even have to bother calculating z since x and y are the only relevant values (you can't know y without using x)

  • @SuhininAlex
    @SuhininAlex 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just move x parts on top of y so you will have triangle. Then 4*4/2 = 8 is area of this triangle and the white part. So Pi*4^2/4= 4Pi is the area of 1/4 of the big circle.
    And the answer is 4Pi - 8.

  • @EvansEasyJapanese
    @EvansEasyJapanese 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have no idea why my brain loves these videos so much. I loved geometry in HS. Everyone else hated proofs

  • @devan3046
    @devan3046 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There is an easier way if you look at it you can easily prove that x fits into y creating a segment and then solve from there by getting area of sector (quarter circle) minus area of the triangle

  • @camolegoshark
    @camolegoshark 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Something really interesting about this example: the whole quarter circle's area is equal to 4pi and the two semi-circles are equal to 2pi. Since the two semi-circles add up to 4pi, that means that whatever area they are overlapping must be the same as the excess are of the quarter circle. So x+x=z+z, and therefore x=z

  • @sata700
    @sata700 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wouldve added 2 more sides to the shape to make it a 4x4 square, added 2 more semi circles inside the square, this will make it so there is 4 intersections of 2x (2x from video’s method), i will add all semicircles and substract by the square to get 8x, calculate the large quarter circle, then the answer is quarter- 2 semicircles + 4x

  • @damonfernandez5181
    @damonfernandez5181 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There's a little trick in there as well if no one has already mentioned it, being the the two smaller half circles both equal the area of the larger quarter circle. This means that the lens, is equal in area to the other blue area, and need only solve for one.

  • @RubyPiec
    @RubyPiec 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    beautiful solution!

    • @BenDRobinson
      @BenDRobinson 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hardly, when compared to the geometric solution (which someone else has already pointed out.) A simple rearrangement turns it into a really easy puzzle.

  • @Ironman-m9v
    @Ironman-m9v 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was thinking of eliminating the areas of each semicircle And hold onto whats common in them. Then Calculate the area of the Big Quarter and then subtract the area of both semi circles from it. Then add the value we held onto. nd that's our answer to the area of the blue circle. Thought I like your way as well. Appreciated

    • @Ironman-m9v
      @Ironman-m9v 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      blue area*

  • @mda99das
    @mda99das 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can make it a lot easier you have a triangle , move the 2 sectors you called X into Z you can see the triangle very easy. Its just the sector of the circle radius 4 minus a triangle (base and height are 4) = 0.25*pi*16 -(0.5*4*4) = 4pi-8

  • @rand0mati0n
    @rand0mati0n 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    If you draw in two more semi circles to turn the image into a square it’s easy to see visually that if you split the lower left blue area in two, and “slide” these mentally clockwise and anti clockwise, you’ll create a white right-angle triangle of area 2*2*0.5= 8, and a blue semi circle of unknown size, but whose size equals the initial two blue areas summed. So just subtract 8 from the area of the quarter circle (4pi).
    Also the two blue shapes have the same area; you can prove that by subtracting the area of the semi circles from the larger quarter circle. This gives you the area of the upper right blue shape minus the area of the lower left blue shape, which turns out to be 0 ie they have the same area.

  • @doyouknoworjustbelieve6694
    @doyouknoworjustbelieve6694 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The area of the large quarter circle is (pi . 4^2)/4 = 4 pi
    Solve for x the way you did in the video: x = pi -2
    Now the area of the semi circle is (pi . 2^2)/2 = 2 pi
    The are of one unshaded semi circle = 2 pi - 2 x
    = 2 pi - 2pi + 4 = 4
    The area of the two unshaded areas = 8
    Area of shaded areas = 4 pi - 8

  • @standarddeviation7963
    @standarddeviation7963 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Using a system of equations you can reach the conclusion that x = z and then just calculate x using the method shown in your video.
    x + y + z = 2pi
    2x + y = 2pi
    ----------------------------
    x + y + z = 2x + y
    z = x
    Answer = 4x.

  • @AM-tv2fs
    @AM-tv2fs 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why does he assume at 1:31 that the point that touches between x and y areas exactly lines up with the center of the red circle and splits the circle evenly?

  • @cakekookabura
    @cakekookabura 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cool, I did something similar and got the same answer! I found the 4π of the quarter circle with a radius of four, and then the area of the two semi-circles with radius of 2, which also comes out to 4π, so I knew the area where the two semi-circles overlap is equal to the other blue region. I then did the same thing you did to find x, then multiplied by four to get the answer

  • @rojusdabrukas5029
    @rojusdabrukas5029 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had this very question today on my math test and with ur video was able to solve it!

  • @ayuh3526
    @ayuh3526 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    or....you could just find x first....and then removing the area of two semicircles from the bigger quarter circle excluding the 2x area as it would be a repeating area for both semicircles.....much simpler.....but i found this one interesting too.....tysm for yr content❤

  • @irresponsibledad
    @irresponsibledad 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How exciting! I calculated y (by calculating x and subtracting 2x from a semicircle of radius 2), then subtracted 2y from the total area of the shape, because the two white areas are equal and any area in the shape that isn't white must be blue

  • @savvyeditsYT
    @savvyeditsYT 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How do you know for sure that when you split the semi circle in half that the line you made connects with the edges of the blue section you marked as x?

    • @Dnallohes
      @Dnallohes 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you’ve already accepted that it IS a semicircle, the intersection being the midpoint is a given. But this particular image is missing measurement marks that indicate it’s a semicircle, that the larger arc is a quarter circle, and even that the corner is a right angle.
      On the other hand, the point of the video isn’t proper labeling technique, but how to approach complex shapes analysis.

  • @memestrous
    @memestrous 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The way I did it was a bit simpler. The area of the big sector is 4pi. The area of the white regions on the inside can be split into 2 parts. One small sector which is equal to pi and the rest of the white can be calculated by forming a square around the blue slice. That would mean the area of the reamining white would be equal to the area of the square - pi. This would mean the total area of the inner white section would be (4-pi + pi)×2 i.e. the total area of the blue section is 4pi - 8

  • @JC-gz9oy
    @JC-gz9oy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How did you know the interesection between to the two semi circles is exactly half way??

    • @IncogNito-vz9tm
      @IncogNito-vz9tm 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I thought that too. Someone else made the same comment that he should have elaborated on that crucial point. If it was assumed knowledge he should have said so

  • @wxstgd
    @wxstgd 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    🗣️🗣️🗣️We are getting excited to this one🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

  • @TheAmbiguousMice
    @TheAmbiguousMice 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How exciting! Makes total sense after all.

  • @terriffingtea
    @terriffingtea 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    2:25 wouldn't this equation result in the area of y+z?

    • @pixelhy
      @pixelhy 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He found 2x +y = 2π. He substituted x with (π-2).

  •  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maravilha. Obrigado pela partilha. Wonder. Thanks for sharing.

  • @gavinterrell9522
    @gavinterrell9522 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    God it felt so good that I could still do this in my head after being out of school of 5 years now

  • @alqater1608
    @alqater1608 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I got to the answer with a slightly different method, I first determined that x and z were equal by dividing the quarter circle in half (kinda like you did) and then dividing 4pi in half to find that the area of the new 8th circle was 2pi, which is also the area of the half circles, so if y + x = 2pi, and y+ z = 2pi, then z = x, then I found the value of x the same way you did. And bc x = z, I did 4(x-2) to find the answer. It’s interesting how there are many different ways of solving the same problem.

  • @speedstrengineer6822
    @speedstrengineer6822 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This makes me thankful for calculus

  • @VikasM258
    @VikasM258 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Since you have found the value of y you can simply subtract the 2y from the total area, which will give us the final answer.

  • @1ncredulous
    @1ncredulous 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Moving the two inside x. It’s a quarter circle minus a triangle base 4 height 4.

  • @AGENT_V-252
    @AGENT_V-252 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Here's my solution: Draw a rectangle covering a single semicircle. Now,
    Area of rectangle - area of semicircle = 8 - 2pi
    Area of single rectangle corner = 8 - 2pi / 2 = 4 - pi
    Draw square around area x+x. Now,
    Area of x+x = area of square - 2(4 - pi)
    = 4 - 8 + 2pi
    = -4 + 2pi
    Now,
    Area of z+z = pi4²/4 - ( 2*semicircle - extra area of x+x)
    = 4pi - ( 4pi - (-4 + 2pi))
    = -4 + 2pi
    Blue are = x+x + z+z
    = -8 + 4pi

  • @tasdrouille
    @tasdrouille 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I didn't split things in half, but to use your nomenclature I found 2x from a 2x2 square by doing 4-2·(4-pi). Then I was going to do 4pi-2·2pi+2x+2z so I realized right away z=x and I was done.

  • @GracodanaAlpha
    @GracodanaAlpha 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How do you know that when you divide the semi circle that where the x and z pieces meet is exactly the centre of the semi circle? Visually it looks avout right, but how is it proved?

  • @paediaterz
    @paediaterz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love your “how exciting” in the end

  • @LanceWilson_RYDER
    @LanceWilson_RYDER 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A easy way
    1. Find the area of circle/4
    = 16pi/4 = 4pi
    2. Then minus triangle's area
    = 4pi - 8

  • @Gambled
    @Gambled 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This channel is so wholesome

  • @PhilosophicalNonsense-wy9gy
    @PhilosophicalNonsense-wy9gy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you had to find the value of z then you can just see that 2x+y=2pi and also x+y+z=2pi so you see that 2x+y=x+y+z
    =>x+x+y=x+y+z
    =>x=z
    We know x=pi-2 so z will also be the same
    (*the blue area is 2x+2z but since z=x it becomes 4x)
    Then put the value of x inside it and u get 4pi-8
    [I HOPE THIS SUGGESTION HELPS]