I'm coming back here two years later. This review helped me decide to purchase an SA300 in May of 2020. I am happy to report that two years later, I'm still very satisfied. I am driving a pair of older Phase Technology 2.5t speakers with it. It's my bedroom amp and the sound is fantastic.
*I forgot to mention that you cannot dim the screen like on the AD18. Buy the SMSL SA300 on Amazon: bit.ly/SMSL-SA300 Buy the SMSL AD18 on Amazon: bit.ly/SMSLAD18 Disclaimer: The Amazon Affiliate links above earn me a commission if you purchase using those links. This is at no additional cost to you. SMSL sent this product to me free for review.
Good review.... my $ .02....the AD18 is still the better option....Lower Noise Floor, THD and "filter-less" design of the SA300 are minor improvements but if you intend on using it as a sound bar replacement, desktop, or budget small room Hi-Fi....will you really hear the difference? I'd get the AD18s for the input flexibility..... and paired with Micca MB42Xs and a Dayton Audio 10" powered Sub, you can get a very decent sounding 2.1 system from AMZ for around $350.... At that price point, it blows away any dedicated computer speaker or Sound bar options for flexibility, fidelity and fun.
@@CAPepin Can't say with real authority but I believe the dedicated coax-out for the sub passes both left and right to the sub equally....at the lowest frequencies distinct Left/Right separation (especially in a small room) is indestinguishable anyway.
Every time I turn it on I'm impressed. Going through a lot of music. For a small to medium size room it's great . using s803 Jamo and Amazon cables Amazon prime music. Still experimenting with toe in, grills on or off. Vocals are good. Upper and lower great. Mid range average. Looking for better midrange speakers to compare one day. Really don't need a subwoofer. Use everything for casual listening. Thank you so much for the review. Coming back again. Thanks for responding
Great review/comparison. Thanks! 'The subwoofer out no longer shares with optical' is a very positive way to put the fact that you're missing 2 optical inputs though :P
Yes that's true. 😂 I was also referring to how using a sub out was a bit odd on the AD18 because you'd have to use a 3.5mm to RCA adapter and you would also lose an optical in. I get you though.
seeing as SMSL make a range of headphone amps, and DACs, a nice little component system could be built around the SA300. My brother is a musician who loves the speed of the AD18 - he plays his guitar through the AD18 and when he first did that he was blown away. The SA300 should be even better doing that. I have enjoyed my AD18 for about 2 years and I am very interested in the SA300. IN the end, it is the sound quality that matters. If smsl had to delete things to keep the price within a target range, so be it if the sound is better. I like smsl stuff, and so Im tolerant, and maybe biased. I would be interested to hear musicians' views of the SA300 as a practice amp for in home use. great review. thanks
Got both. The AD18 is more versatile for desktop use. The headphone output does not suck. In fact it works great with my Hiby R3Pro's LO to the AD18's aux input. On the other hand, the AS300 has a better sound quality but not by large margin. And not quite perfect for desktop use.
Joe..... Thank you for your great review. The production is very well done!! I recently purchased the SMSL AD-18 based on your reviews comparing the 300 to the AD18. I will say that this little Class D is a killer on the desk.... Sending Qobuz from my imac to the AD-18 via usb which then drive my B&W dm600 Series 3 Bookshelf speakers. This little powerhouse is to say the least "Stunning"!!! Great advice and review..... ABX.......
I love this review because it literally talks about the combo I am looking to get. An RB42 and the SA300. Now, this would be my first desk setup. Maybe quite the high step to start at, but it was odd hearing you that its "only" able to push the RB42 so loud. I mean sure, at my desk, it really doesnt need to be that loud, but I like my stuff loud occasionally. You may have just sold me on the 300. I was already sold on the Miccas. Now to somehow get them in europe >.
Sometimes performance is a matter of taste. For instance, if you want a powerful theater look no further than Klipsch and Yamaha aventage. I totally love the power of that system. Vocals from the rp504c can be felt rumbling your room and throat. Talk about passionate and exhilarating! The theater has taken over your living room, forget the cinema. The rp280f deal bass that is fast and that slams thanks impart with Yamaha's RFS technology to keep the bass clean, smooth but still powerful. The highs are dynamic, lively with good body and weight. The entire Klipsch system is beefy and weighty. It does sound just the way I want it to: it's large and in-charge, the party speakers that are the life of the party. I look forward to building my dual Dayton 12" reference subs. I expect chest-pounding bass, not that the system doesn't already impress. I'm sure this system can beat some people's taste over some $20k systems in the category it is intended for. Not for the most natural critical detail listener but for the fan of big theatrical sound from not huge speakers. Just saying. You don't have to spend a fortune to get something that pleases you. Plus, you may not realize what it is you want until you hear it. I wouldn't have thought the Klipsch would be what I was looking for, but I have to say this is what I was looking for. I expected to want the most life-like, accurate, detailed sound. I thought I wanted to hear the faintest nuance in every song, the strum of the guitar, the brush up against the mic, the singer's breath and breathing but I'm not sure anymore. I thought that was what brought speakers to life? Maybe I need a speaker that could do that but I wouldn't give these up for it. I quite like the overly dramatic animalistic power and enjoyment I get from the big horns. I think I'm an audiophile and I don't consider these audiophile speakers but dam are they amazing, much better imo than natural sound. Natural sound is nice but it might be boring, these Klipsch are never boring. They are bigger than life; the Klipsch nature is brute force and strength. Think supercar type verocity from your speakers and you're getting what the Klipsch is. I can definitely understand why these were Guttenberg's speaker of the year 2018. Don't forget to pair these with Yamaha aventage receiver. This system kills it with the Klipsch speakers, fantastic!
I agree. The RP series by Klipsch has a "cinematic" sound. The only negative to it is the potential fatigue when using it for music. It's a bit forward sounding for my taste music wise.
@@jcjc1842 if you haven't already I definitely suggest a Yamaha rxa880 or higher to go with it. I know the 880 handles them beautifully. I don't get fatigue listening to them with music but I did when I used Denon x3500h. The Yamaha cleans up the bass nodes well also worth mentioning. Thanks for reading.
"2×80W peak output power (26V PVDD, RL = 4Ω, 10% THD+N level)"Yea, it''ll do 80w x2 into 4 ohms but that's at 10% THD! That's taken from the MA12070 web page. It just says "0.004% THD+N at high output levels" We have no idea where that's at, and you can guarantee that would be a 1khz only test, not 20hz to 20khz. So we are left with very vague power specs. This is why I'm always so skeptical about these little class D amps. Unless it's a Class D from NAD or something else reputable, it's hard to know what you're getting.
Yeah, I would imagine that it isn't 80wpc full range at low distortion. It's just too small. It would need a bigger power supply and some heatsinks. That's why I always say..."they claim".
Here's the problem. They took out the optical and the 3.5mm. No optical means no use with TV for the people this might help the most. So moving it to the desk might make sense, but that's where I use my headphones. No 3.5mm? No headphones at desk. So maybe they have a better sounding amp, but fewer people will notice because fewer people will buy it.
I'm guessing they were thinking that they offer dedicated headphone amp/DAC combos so this might be a solution for someone who has a dedicated headphone amp. Idk really. Just guessing.
@@jingjingzhang4280 That's true but how many TV's allow audio to be passed through that USB port? Many are just used for 5V 1A power for stuff like Amazon Fire Sticks and Roku devices.
@@joentell I have a headphone DAC connected to my PC that I switch to an old class AB AVR to power some speakers/sub. The heat from that AVR is crazy and I'm interested in the SA300 if it will cool down my room. Kind of wish I could find an all in one solution that won't break the bank.
I have a FiiO D3 (D03K) DAC around somewhere. I want to use this with my TV optical out. I keep wondering if the FiiO DAC is good enough to pair with the SA300, or if I should just get the AD18. On a side note, where did you find the info for the AD18 that says it can do 8 Ohms at 40W? I can only find that spec in the SA300.
Why the hell would you use headphones for music only? I respect my neighbours so I don't use speakers late in the night especially when I know they might hear them even on low volume. Walls in flats spread sound very eaisly. Have some empathy for other people mate.
Seen on a french video, the power consumption has been tested and the 0.5W value at standby is a lie. It's actually closer to 4-5W, which is a lot for standby.
Class D amps typically use filters to remove high frequency switching noise. Pulse width modulation tracks the incoming signal and switches the output power supply accordingly. The circuit to do that filtering raises the output impedance. So that is why they removed the filtering. That means the high frequency noise is dealt with in a different way. But I don't design these stuff. It is all speculation based on what I have read and heard in the past. And I followed car audio amps in the past and slew rate mattered. What happened? My interpretation of it is 'how fast is the amp able to handle dynamics in audio.'
Now this is the kind of Class-D that we should see a lot more of. It'd work wonders for the sound in the previous active speakers you've reviewed. Such low noise and THD numbers put it right up there. 80W for this amp is plenty enough to power some good room-filling efficient speakers, too. As long as you're not driving planars it should be plenty loud enough for most people.
"Joe and Tell , derp . LOL . I get it . Cool ! " .......... I bet you get that a lot . My first time to listen , Nice content , I'll sub to this . Great voice , easy to listen to and not so full of yourself . Thanks for the direct content .
Try SMSL SU8 DAC specific with XTZ Edge Class D power amplifier together with XTZ 99.25 bookshelf speaker or 99.36 floorstand speaker, you will get an unexpected good sound at such price level setup, with good quality DSD file source will enhance even further. Then change the DAC to SMSL flagship D1 model, the setup will blow you away.
Hello. I am asking you to tell me if the amplifier ad18 goes into stand-by if it no longer has an audio signal, or if it receives an audio signal, the amplifier starts. Thank you.
Hey Joe, I just got this after seeing your review and some others praising it. My one problem with it right out of the box is that the power supply has an oscillating squeal/hiss that is audible in a quiet room from 15+ feet away. Is this normal? Thanks!
I like smsl but for towers I did not enjoy small class D chip amp like these. They have noticeable amount of distortion a high power.I prefer high power Class D amps like the Hypex Ncore, Icepower Class D amps, and Cad Audio DK class D pwm for Elac towers.
Thanks for this. I'm in Australia and was curious if you have any information about the SMSL AO300 released Sept. 2023? Has both USB and HDMI with front headphone jacks. There is no information about it on TH-cam.
After a month still rockin the sa300 with s803 jamo. Still amazed about the quality of the sound. Thanks so much for the review. Using Amazon banana plugs 6ft. Remote is quick. The Blutooth connection is quick. Keeping my eyes open for more.. Might try some speakers with a tad better midrange. I leave the grills on. My wife likes everthing too. Happy ending.
I’m thinking of this exact same setup in my living room for tv and some music. I see some comments about distortion at high levels. Have you experienced that?
With any amp, you'll hit distortion limits...it just depends on when. How load are people playing their music? It depends on the room and the person. Type of music matters too.
What amp to get if I already have a topping d30 dac, and jds atom amp with pre outs? Or just get one of these independent of my setup? I like the treble and bass controls. Sub out is optional.
Hey everyone, just bought this amp with a pair of kali LP6 v2's and I'm having some issues setting it up. I have them hooked up with RCA cables with the rca power toggle on and I'm still getting no sound. I only can hear sound coming out of the speakers when the amp is turned off which ends up sounding very distorted and scratchy. I have it hooked up to my PC via USB. Does this sound like a bad amp?
Very nice reviews on both the SMSL amplifiers. I'm going with the 300 since I dont use a computer or headphones. I'm simply going to run either my JBL studio 530s or my Jamo 93-11s With a fluance/walnut record player. That's it for me. Except I'm going to run a home made subwoofer with the tang band 51/4 inch woofer. In a custom T-Line enclosure I made that I had fun experimenting with different spacing on the T-Line inside spacing. It should sound very nice. Thanks Joe. Nice job. Oh, I also have a TP-60 / Topping Amplifier. But I dont have a pre-amp for it yet. I'm thinking on maybe the Nobsound tube Pre-amp.
Hey, nice review. I've found this one looking for a simple solution to improve audio quality from my MacBook Pro, in a desktop setup. I have a couple of old Aiwa passive speakers, so DAC+AMP is what I'm looking for, and this seems to be about right. You know if there's any way to control the crossover in case at some point I use the SW output? Also, without an SW, do this AMP output full freq range to the speakers? Thanks!
Thanks for the review Joe. Do review more powerful (and feature rich) class D amps. Specifically looking for a proper Subwoofer xover amp. Cheers! Edit: the Brooklyn amp as an example comes to mind!
I can. I find amp reviews tough to do. It's hard to "show you" guys the sound differences, which is what I like to try to do, but it's much harder than with speakers.
Is there any natural successor or upgrade option to the AD18? From what I can see this amp is majorly flawed with no optical inputs. Waiting on something to upgrade to from the AD18 but happy right now with it's performance.
I have a lg cx 65 inch and want to buy one of these. Does it matter? I thought maybe the sa300 would be better quality if i can connect it to my tv. I should be able without any problems right?
Hey everyone, So I'm looking to power some outdoor speakers on a seperate amp to my living room. (Its too hard to wire them to my rooftop terrace) . Im wondering how loud these things can make a speaker go. I know that's subjective to the speaker, but would it ever power speakers loud enough to party outside with? (and I mean party not hold a club concert - but also need to be loud enough when having a few drinks to get people beating... )
Yay!! I've been waiting for this comparison!! I always appreciate your perspective on these things. Do you know of any other desktop DAC/amps at around this price range that do have hi-pass crossover adjustment with a sub out? I would like to be able to filter out some low end in my bookshelves when I do eventually add a sub to the mix. It seems like a lot of these products leave out just one or two features that would make them perfect.
I couldn't find any info that says the AD18 can do 8 Ohms at 40W. Where did you get this info because I think that is what I need. It is on the manual for the SA300 though. I couldn't find how to change this setting though. Does the SA300 do this automatically?
There is no setting that you need to change. It will adjust based on your speakers. All amps do. Some used have a switch for 4 ohms, but you can read up on why that's not really what they make it seem it is. Some amps are not 4 ohm capable, but most made in the last 20 years are.
take a peak at the Klipsch Powergate @ $170. Slightly bigger (but more features) and still way smaller than a receiver it exceeds its advertised 100w RMS instead of falling 30w short :)
Hi, I'm left with a pair of Bose jewel cube, going to purchase this Sa300 and a Edifier T5. I'm not an audiophile but do you think this setup works? Going to place them in a 50sq room, I know they look cool but do they sound cool? Thanks
@@joentell ya, the problem is that i don't have the bass module. Intend to purchase the Edifier t5 to replace that. Read quite a number of good review about the woofer but don't know if the SA 300, the Jewel cube and the T5 will work well together.. I'm not good at reading all their spec and number therefore need some advice.. thanks for replying!
I listen to all my audio through my laptop and wanted to get a new amp such as this. Which would provide better sound quality from the computer, headphone out, or usb(3) to this built in dac?
Dear friend, when speaking one should address the listeners. Most of the time this means looking them in the eyes, at least for us, humans. The strange feeling having someone not talking to me when I expect it its truly the single complaint I have with your review. Keep on the good work!
Hello Joe. Ive been enjoying bmy Fluence ai40 that you recommended me. Now I want to buy the JBLs Studio 530 which class D Amp would you suggest? Will a small class d amp handle this speakers?
I like the SMSL AD18. You may want to step up to a better integrated amp eventually. I like the Yamaha A-S501. Check out my review of that. th-cam.com/video/-cEh5heb6F4/w-d-xo.html They also make an A-S301.
Thanks for the video Am i right, you can plug this to your computer and disable your computer's trash sound card and use this one as sound card + amplifier?
Seems to be a recent trend. AppleTV dropped it, my Audioengine speakers also don't have it. I'm using USB to connect my computer, but I wonder how you could connect a TV, for example.
What I disappointed about SA300 or other models after AD18 is, they still don't support aptX HD or LDAC even with BT5.0. What is different between BT5.0 and BT4.2 if they don't support aptX HD or LDAC? I think higher BT version is useless without higher BT codec. I hope any next models could have aptX HD+LDAC+SPDIF input altogether and that is way more important than Sub-woofer output or RCA input. (I'm AD18 user.) *SMSL do need these, - aptX HD + LDAC (doesn't matter BT4.2 or 5.0) - SPDIF input (TOSLINK + Coaxial) - Latest DAC chip such as ES9038Q2M - Passive speaker output - RCA output + 3.5mm output + 3.5mm input *SMSL doesn't need these, - Sub-woofer output - RCA input - HRA certify - NFC (If anyone wants wireless, BT is the last answer.)
Unless the TV has native Bluetooth (maybe some smart tv's have that now? I'm not too sure myself), you would need some form of bluetooth controller plugged into the tv in order to add the amp as a connection, but it should be possible (in theory, I've not researched it myself)
Nice production quality. The scripting was good but I think u should have a mix of scripted and unscripted videos. I think shirt scripted videos are good but not long ones. This was probably close to the max length that I would like scripted.
I actually just made bullet points. I don't like to read word for word. This is not really my style. Scripted takes way more time because it requires having more footage.
Have the smsl sa300. S803 jamo. Everything hooked up to blutooth. No sound. Polarities correct. Everything brand new. Tripled check connections. Using lg g6 phone with Amazon Prime. No sound. Help please.
can i use this amp with the klipsch r51m? No matter if the power is lower than the speakers? maybe the harmonic distortion damages the amp or the speakers
These amps can push most speakers loud enough to cause discomfort without reaching distortion. Especially more efficient speakers like the Klipsch. I think high power really becomes noticeable when you're pushing big full range speakers. Most people aren't using those nowadays. They're more than enough for most bookshelf speakers at reasonable volumes...aka not damaging your ears.
Joe, like the Miccas in the "budget region"; I wish You would have tried both SMSL amps with the affordable 'Dayton 442 T' transmission line / floor standing towers - Which is surely a more complicated Load ... just sayin'. ;-)
@@neilaltschuler6064 Thanks bro,how many years do you work with it? I am afraid it can't deal working on a high usage as the volume high.can it hurt the speakers?
$200 if were to use micca w/smsl amp or $400 with 2 Sonos One speakers I’m on the edge of returning the Sonos speaker which option has the better sound
Right....let's put the AVR output in watts VS a Hi Fi Amps output in Watts to bed. They are not the same thing. If you have a 150 w/channel AV amp, with 7+1 channels, you have to understand how it is measured...because you CLEARLY do not have 1200w of output at your fingertips. They put ONE high load (normally 4 or 6ohm) speaker on ONE channel to do the measurement....this lets the amp purely drive that SINGLE speaker channel as hard as it can into 4ohm, in this case it uses 150w Now, IF you put an 8 ohm speaker there it would read at 100w(ish) So, they can now claim 150 watts per channel....and they are not (quite) lying So, what happens when you attach 8 speakers at 8 ohm to it? Approximately 20 watts per COMBINED channel is what happens.....it's a long way from 120w per channel isn't it? This differs from hi fi amps that measure with BOTH channels attached to more typical 8 ohm speakers....and it comes out at a less flattering, but also less bullshit, figure. And this, dear sir,, is why that little SMSL runs as loud as your AV amp. If you want to know what your AV amp produces, divide the figure by the amount of speakers, and then take off at least 30% if you are running 8ohm speakers
I must use the AD18 for gaming. Have to have my headphones for communication and for intimate listening. I can't understand how you'd be a PC enthusiasts and not use headphones. That said I think the SA300 has a better interface and a bit less distortion, but the AD18 has better EQs and better bass sounds + the headphone jack.
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I'm coming back here two years later. This review helped me decide to purchase an SA300 in May of 2020.
I am happy to report that two years later, I'm still very satisfied. I am driving a pair of older Phase Technology 2.5t speakers with it. It's my bedroom amp and the sound is fantastic.
now i know where the sound came from, its the sound that hardly will go wrong after spending much money
*I forgot to mention that you cannot dim the screen like on the AD18.
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Great Review Bro!
you did mention that.. 1:38
Good review.... my $ .02....the AD18 is still the better option....Lower Noise Floor, THD and "filter-less" design of the SA300 are minor improvements but if you intend on using it as a sound bar replacement, desktop, or budget small room Hi-Fi....will you really hear the difference? I'd get the AD18s for the input flexibility..... and paired with Micca MB42Xs and a Dayton Audio 10" powered Sub, you can get a very decent sounding 2.1 system from AMZ for around $350.... At that price point, it blows away any dedicated computer speaker or Sound bar options for flexibility, fidelity and fun.
For that particular use case, I would have to agree.
I’m thinking about buying an AD18. Does the 3.5mm subwoofer output in the back of the AD18 do full range mono or stereo?
@@CAPepin Can't say with real authority but I believe the dedicated coax-out for the sub passes both left and right to the sub equally....at the lowest frequencies distinct Left/Right separation (especially in a small room) is indestinguishable anyway.
Goobfilm cast Thanks. I was only asking because I wanted to hook up my powered bookshelves.
Every time I turn it on I'm impressed. Going through a lot of music. For a small to medium size room it's great . using s803 Jamo and Amazon cables
Amazon prime music. Still experimenting with toe in, grills on or off. Vocals are good. Upper and lower great. Mid range average. Looking for better midrange speakers to compare one day. Really don't need a subwoofer. Use everything for casual listening. Thank you so much for the review. Coming back again. Thanks for responding
Is it all about S300?
@@_b_u_d_d_y_l_u_c_k around $325.00
I mean model S 300, not price...)
..or you are have S.M.S.L. AD 18?
@@_b_u_d_d_y_l_u_c_k no 300
Great review/comparison.
Thanks!
'The subwoofer out no longer shares with optical' is a very positive way to put the fact that you're missing 2 optical inputs though :P
Yes that's true. 😂 I was also referring to how using a sub out was a bit odd on the AD18 because you'd have to use a 3.5mm to RCA adapter and you would also lose an optical in. I get you though.
Sa300 solid build. Quality. Very impressed. Move the screen to the remote and it would be killer
What about comparing the Sa300 to the Loxjie A30.
seeing as SMSL make a range of headphone amps, and DACs, a nice little component system could be built around the SA300. My brother is a musician who loves the speed of the AD18 - he plays his guitar through the AD18 and when he first did that he was blown away. The SA300 should be even better doing that. I have enjoyed my AD18 for about 2 years and I am very interested in the SA300. IN the end, it is the sound quality that matters. If smsl had to delete things to keep the price within a target range, so be it if the sound is better. I like smsl stuff, and so Im tolerant, and maybe biased. I would be interested to hear musicians' views of the SA300 as a practice amp for in home use. great review. thanks
Got both. The AD18 is more versatile for desktop use. The headphone output does not suck. In fact it works great with my Hiby R3Pro's LO to the AD18's aux input. On the other hand, the AS300 has a better sound quality but not by large margin. And not quite perfect for desktop use.
Volume adjustment. Everything is fine. Bass is heavy. Covers on. Impressed with all around quality. No complaints. Thank you
Joe..... Thank you for your great review. The production is very well done!!
I recently purchased the SMSL AD-18 based on your reviews comparing the 300 to the AD18.
I will say that this little Class D is a killer on the desk....
Sending Qobuz from my imac to the AD-18 via usb which then drive my B&W dm600 Series 3 Bookshelf speakers.
This little powerhouse is to say the least "Stunning"!!!
Great advice and review.....
ABX.......
Hey!!! Glad you like it!
I love this review because it literally talks about the combo I am looking to get. An RB42 and the SA300. Now, this would be my first desk setup. Maybe quite the high step to start at, but it was odd hearing you that its "only" able to push the RB42 so loud. I mean sure, at my desk, it really doesnt need to be that loud, but I like my stuff loud occasionally. You may have just sold me on the 300. I was already sold on the Miccas. Now to somehow get them in europe >.
You are going to have some fun. Make sure to get those foam blocks to lift the speaker off the desk. Kinda like these amzn.to/35UZvit (affiliate link)
It would be a better option the SMSL M500 + SA300 compared to a 500$ integrated amp or AVR?
Great review!
same question but would not SA300 reduce M500 quality of input stream?
Sometimes performance is a matter of taste. For instance, if you want a powerful theater look no further than Klipsch and Yamaha aventage. I totally love the power of that system.
Vocals from the rp504c can be felt rumbling your room and throat. Talk about passionate and exhilarating! The theater has taken over your living room, forget the cinema.
The rp280f deal bass that is fast and that slams thanks impart with Yamaha's RFS technology to keep the bass clean, smooth but still powerful.
The highs are dynamic, lively with good body and weight. The entire Klipsch system is beefy and weighty. It does sound just the way I want it to: it's large and in-charge, the party speakers that are the life of the party.
I look forward to building my dual Dayton 12" reference subs. I expect chest-pounding bass, not that the system doesn't already impress.
I'm sure this system can beat some people's taste over some $20k systems in the category it is intended for. Not for the most natural critical detail listener but for the fan of big theatrical sound from not huge speakers.
Just saying. You don't have to spend a fortune to get something that pleases you. Plus, you may not realize what it is you want until you hear it. I wouldn't have thought the Klipsch would be what I was looking for, but I have to say this is what I was looking for.
I expected to want the most life-like, accurate, detailed sound. I thought I wanted to hear the faintest nuance in every song, the strum of the guitar, the brush up against the mic, the singer's breath and breathing but I'm not sure anymore. I thought that was what brought speakers to life? Maybe I need a speaker that could do that but I wouldn't give these up for it. I quite like the overly dramatic animalistic power and enjoyment I get from the big horns.
I think I'm an audiophile and I don't consider these audiophile speakers but dam are they amazing, much better imo than natural sound. Natural sound is nice but it might be boring, these Klipsch are never boring. They are bigger than life; the Klipsch nature is brute force and strength. Think supercar type verocity from your speakers and you're getting what the Klipsch is. I can definitely understand why these were Guttenberg's speaker of the year 2018.
Don't forget to pair these with Yamaha aventage receiver. This system kills it with the Klipsch speakers, fantastic!
I agree. The RP series by Klipsch has a "cinematic" sound. The only negative to it is the potential fatigue when using it for music. It's a bit forward sounding for my taste music wise.
@@jcjc1842 if you haven't already I definitely suggest a Yamaha rxa880 or higher to go with it. I know the 880 handles them beautifully. I don't get fatigue listening to them with music but I did when I used Denon x3500h. The Yamaha cleans up the bass nodes well also worth mentioning. Thanks for reading.
"2×80W peak output power (26V PVDD, RL = 4Ω, 10% THD+N level)"Yea, it''ll do 80w x2 into 4 ohms but that's at 10% THD! That's taken from the MA12070 web page. It just says "0.004% THD+N at high output levels" We have no idea where that's at, and you can guarantee that would be a 1khz only test, not 20hz to 20khz. So we are left with very vague power specs. This is why I'm always so skeptical about these little class D amps. Unless it's a Class D from NAD or something else reputable, it's hard to know what you're getting.
Yeah, I would imagine that it isn't 80wpc full range at low distortion. It's just too small. It would need a bigger power supply and some heatsinks. That's why I always say..."they claim".
Here's the problem. They took out the optical and the 3.5mm. No optical means no use with TV for the people this might help the most. So moving it to the desk might make sense, but that's where I use my headphones. No 3.5mm? No headphones at desk. So maybe they have a better sounding amp, but fewer people will notice because fewer people will buy it.
I'm guessing they were thinking that they offer dedicated headphone amp/DAC combos so this might be a solution for someone who has a dedicated headphone amp. Idk really. Just guessing.
TV always has a USB connection now.
@@jingjingzhang4280 That's true but how many TV's allow audio to be passed through that USB port? Many are just used for 5V 1A power for stuff like Amazon Fire Sticks and Roku devices.
@@joentell I have a headphone DAC connected to my PC that I switch to an old class AB AVR to power some speakers/sub. The heat from that AVR is crazy and I'm interested in the SA300 if it will cool down my room. Kind of wish I could find an all in one solution that won't break the bank.
I have a FiiO D3 (D03K) DAC around somewhere. I want to use this with my TV optical out. I keep wondering if the FiiO DAC is good enough to pair with the SA300, or if I should just get the AD18. On a side note, where did you find the info for the AD18 that says it can do 8 Ohms at 40W? I can only find that spec in the SA300.
I live in a flat so I use headphones when I watch movies late in the night. So a hp output is a must have for me.
No
Only use it for music
Why the hell would you use headphones for music only? I respect my neighbours so I don't use speakers late in the night especially when I know they might hear them even on low volume. Walls in flats spread sound very eaisly. Have some empathy for other people mate.
Seen on a french video, the power consumption has been tested and the 0.5W value at standby is a lie. It's actually closer to 4-5W, which is a lot for standby.
Class D amps typically use filters to remove high frequency switching noise. Pulse width modulation tracks the incoming signal and switches the output power supply accordingly. The circuit to do that filtering raises the output impedance. So that is why they removed the filtering. That means the high frequency noise is dealt with in a different way. But I don't design these stuff. It is all speculation based on what I have read and heard in the past. And I followed car audio amps in the past and slew rate mattered. What happened? My interpretation of it is 'how fast is the amp able to handle dynamics in audio.'
Now this is the kind of Class-D that we should see a lot more of. It'd work wonders for the sound in the previous active speakers you've reviewed. Such low noise and THD numbers put it right up there. 80W for this amp is plenty enough to power some good room-filling efficient speakers, too. As long as you're not driving planars it should be plenty loud enough for most people.
You Sir are a door to door salesman's dream.
Hi, thanks for the review! Was just curious what AVR you were comparing it to and how big your living room is?
"Joe and Tell , derp . LOL . I get it . Cool ! " .......... I bet you get that a lot . My first time to listen , Nice content , I'll sub to this . Great voice , easy to listen to and not so full of yourself . Thanks for the direct content .
Thanks Big Dan!
Try SMSL SU8 DAC specific with XTZ Edge Class D power amplifier together with XTZ 99.25 bookshelf speaker or 99.36 floorstand speaker, you will get an unexpected good sound at such price level setup, with good quality DSD file source will enhance even further. Then change the DAC to SMSL flagship D1 model, the setup will blow you away.
Hello. I am asking you to tell me if the amplifier ad18 goes into stand-by if it no longer has an audio signal, or if it receives an audio signal, the amplifier starts. Thank you.
Hey Joe, I just got this after seeing your review and some others praising it. My one problem with it right out of the box is that the power supply has an oscillating squeal/hiss that is audible in a quiet room from 15+ feet away. Is this normal? Thanks!
I like smsl but for towers I did not enjoy small class D chip amp like these. They have noticeable amount of distortion a high power.I prefer high power Class D amps like the Hypex Ncore, Icepower Class D amps, and Cad Audio DK class D pwm for Elac towers.
That's understandable. You just wanted more clean power
Thanks for this. I'm in Australia and was curious if you have any information about the SMSL AO300 released Sept. 2023? Has both USB and HDMI with front headphone jacks. There is no information about it on TH-cam.
nice review, i like the scripted style. no optical? what were they thinking? ill still to my AD18
After a month still rockin the sa300 with s803 jamo. Still amazed about the quality of the sound. Thanks so much for the review. Using Amazon banana plugs 6ft. Remote is quick. The Blutooth connection is quick. Keeping my eyes open for more..
Might try some speakers with a tad better midrange. I leave the grills on. My wife likes everthing too. Happy ending.
I’m thinking of this exact same setup in my living room for tv and some music. I see some comments about distortion at high levels. Have you experienced that?
With any amp, you'll hit distortion limits...it just depends on when. How load are people playing their music? It depends on the room and the person. Type of music matters too.
@@joentell Thanks!
What amp to get if I already have a topping d30 dac, and jds atom amp with pre outs? Or just get one of these independent of my setup? I like the treble and bass controls. Sub out is optional.
Hey everyone, just bought this amp with a pair of kali LP6 v2's and I'm having some issues setting it up. I have them hooked up with RCA cables with the rca power toggle on and I'm still getting no sound. I only can hear sound coming out of the speakers when the amp is turned off which ends up sounding very distorted and scratchy. I have it hooked up to my PC via USB. Does this sound like a bad amp?
Very nice reviews on both the SMSL amplifiers. I'm going with the 300 since I dont use a computer or headphones.
I'm simply going to run either my JBL studio 530s or my Jamo 93-11s
With a fluance/walnut record player.
That's it for me. Except I'm going to run a home made subwoofer with the tang band 51/4 inch woofer.
In a custom T-Line enclosure I made that I had fun experimenting with different spacing on the T-Line inside spacing. It should sound very nice. Thanks Joe. Nice job.
Oh, I also have a TP-60 / Topping
Amplifier. But I dont have a pre-amp for it yet. I'm thinking on maybe the
Nobsound tube Pre-amp.
Hey, nice review. I've found this one looking for a simple solution to improve audio quality from my MacBook Pro, in a desktop setup. I have a couple of old Aiwa passive speakers, so DAC+AMP is what I'm looking for, and this seems to be about right. You know if there's any way to control the crossover in case at some point I use the SW output? Also, without an SW, do this AMP output full freq range to the speakers? Thanks!
Thanks for the review Joe. Do review more powerful (and feature rich) class D amps. Specifically looking for a proper Subwoofer xover amp. Cheers! Edit: the Brooklyn amp as an example comes to mind!
I can. I find amp reviews tough to do. It's hard to "show you" guys the sound differences, which is what I like to try to do, but it's much harder than with speakers.
Maybe crown 2502?
Can I use it with dedicated smsl M300 DAC without reducing input quality?
I just bought it, and paired it with Bose cube speakers, for ambient music, it’s great.
Glad you like it!
Is there any natural successor or upgrade option to the AD18? From what I can see this amp is majorly flawed with no optical inputs. Waiting on something to upgrade to from the AD18 but happy right now with it's performance.
Great work. Nice review. Your too modest and a wealth of knowledge!
SMSL SA300 or Loxjie A30 ? Pairing with bookshelf speakers Q-Acoustics 3020 on desktop, in very small room.
I have a lg cx 65 inch and want to buy one of these. Does it matter? I thought maybe the sa300 would be better quality if i can connect it to my tv. I should be able without any problems right?
Hey everyone, So I'm looking to power some outdoor speakers on a seperate amp to my living room. (Its too hard to wire them to my rooftop terrace) . Im wondering how loud these things can make a speaker go. I know that's subjective to the speaker, but would it ever power speakers loud enough to party outside with? (and I mean party not hold a club concert - but also need to be loud enough when having a few drinks to get people beating... )
Is it possible to connect the SA 300 to multiple Bluetooth devices at the same time? Like Bose headphones
My TV has Bluetooth built into the sound settings. Can I connect this to my TV since it has Bluetooth?.
Sorry im new, nerd question. Can i use the subwoofer input to coaxial for my bluray player?
Yay!! I've been waiting for this comparison!! I always appreciate your perspective on these things. Do you know of any other desktop DAC/amps at around this price range that do have hi-pass crossover adjustment with a sub out? I would like to be able to filter out some low end in my bookshelves when I do eventually add a sub to the mix. It seems like a lot of these products leave out just one or two features that would make them perfect.
Tangent Ampster BT II
The best for you Is a300 or ad18? Tanks
Well done brother.
Good review.
Great objective commentary
🙏 I like your name.
@@joentell Thanks brother.... Just a fellow audiophile whos pursuit to explore and promote truth never ends.
I couldn't find any info that says the AD18 can do 8 Ohms at 40W. Where did you get this info because I think that is what I need. It is on the manual for the SA300 though. I couldn't find how to change this setting though. Does the SA300 do this automatically?
There is no setting that you need to change. It will adjust based on your speakers. All amps do. Some used have a switch for 4 ohms, but you can read up on why that's not really what they make it seem it is. Some amps are not 4 ohm capable, but most made in the last 20 years are.
Is the sub out in this amp mono or stereo?
take a peak at the Klipsch Powergate @ $170. Slightly bigger (but more features) and still way smaller than a receiver
it exceeds its advertised 100w RMS instead of falling 30w short :)
THANK YOU. How is this compared to vista audio spark?
Thanks for the video. Im planning on the Sa 300 just want to downsize the home theater amp ive been using for my pc to this but keep the powered sub.
How to connect SMSL SA300 computer (with USB ports and 3.5mm headphone jack) and speakers?
Computer->USB->SA300->Speakers
@@joentell Gracias
Hi Joe, can this SA300 match dali Spektor 2? this spearker is 84.5DB, not easy to play
i wanted to use these with the jamo s807s is this gonna be enough power?
Hello can you connect tv through the USb port to it
Hi, I'm left with a pair of Bose jewel cube, going to purchase this Sa300 and a Edifier T5. I'm not an audiophile but do you think this setup works? Going to place them in a 50sq room, I know they look cool but do they sound cool? Thanks
If you have the bass module, it will. I have it setup like that in my wife's office.
@@joentell ya, the problem is that i don't have the bass module. Intend to purchase the Edifier t5 to replace that. Read quite a number of good review about the woofer but don't know if the SA 300, the Jewel cube and the T5 will work well together.. I'm not good at reading all their spec and number therefore need some advice.. thanks for replying!
@@edwin_cho I think the Bose are meant to be used with the bass module specifically. There are crossovers inside them to protect the cubes.
Just found this channel and love the content and visuals great stuff and I'm subbing 👍
i would say that the lack of an optical input is a deal breaker for most of us.... i wouldnt buy it just for that
If you need that, it definitely is. There are optical to RCA converters for like $20, bit that's an added cost.
@@joentell Optical to RCA converter? Sounds like a DAC
Want to hook it up to jamo s803 via lgg6 phone for Amazon. Can I do it?
I listen to all my audio through my laptop and wanted to get a new amp such as this. Which would provide better sound quality from the computer, headphone out, or usb(3) to this built in dac?
USB
Dear friend, when speaking one should address the listeners. Most of the time this means looking them in the eyes, at least for us, humans. The strange feeling having someone not talking to me when I expect it its truly the single complaint I have with your review. Keep on the good work!
Try to get over that shit.
SMSL we need a 100+ watt per channel into 8 ohms amp with THX tech! They are the only company that I think can deliver this under $1000!
Hi, Joe! For backyard or terrace which one will be better: S.M.S.L. S300 or AD 18( for two 100 W passive speakers)?
Coin toss.
@@joentell and another: Edifier R2000DB vs s.m.s.l. SA300 + Warfedale D310(320)? ...for same purpose...
hi Joe,
did you leave the EQ mainly at 'direct' when testing out the amplifier?
Correct
Can I use my lg g6 phone to blutooth Amazon Prime?
Quality of all products is outstanding. Cannot hear a thing yet. Must be missing a step. Help
Hello Joe. Ive been enjoying bmy Fluence ai40 that you recommended me. Now I want to buy the JBLs Studio 530 which class D Amp would you suggest? Will a small class d amp handle this speakers?
I like the SMSL AD18. You may want to step up to a better integrated amp eventually. I like the Yamaha A-S501. Check out my review of that. th-cam.com/video/-cEh5heb6F4/w-d-xo.html They also make an A-S301.
@@joentell thank you so much!
Thanks for the video
Am i right, you can plug this to your computer and disable your computer's trash sound card and use this one as sound card + amplifier?
Haha, maybe designed on purpose. It has no optical or coaxial inputs. You must bypass digital output of most soundcards.
No optical? thats a huge let down...
Seems to be a recent trend. AppleTV dropped it, my Audioengine speakers also don't have it. I'm using USB to connect my computer, but I wonder how you could connect a TV, for example.
@@peetiegonzalez1845 most TV today have usb aswell ..
What I disappointed about SA300 or other models after AD18 is, they still don't support aptX HD or LDAC even with BT5.0.
What is different between BT5.0 and BT4.2 if they don't support aptX HD or LDAC?
I think higher BT version is useless without higher BT codec.
I hope any next models could have aptX HD+LDAC+SPDIF input altogether and that is way more important than Sub-woofer output or RCA input.
(I'm AD18 user.)
*SMSL do need these,
- aptX HD + LDAC (doesn't matter BT4.2 or 5.0)
- SPDIF input (TOSLINK + Coaxial)
- Latest DAC chip such as ES9038Q2M
- Passive speaker output
- RCA output + 3.5mm output + 3.5mm input
*SMSL doesn't need these,
- Sub-woofer output
- RCA input
- HRA certify
- NFC (If anyone wants wireless, BT is the last answer.)
U think this amp will run good a pair of infinity rs3
First of all thank you for the explanation. I wanna know since it has Bluetooth why I can’t play TV audio signals via Bluetooth?
Unless the TV has native Bluetooth (maybe some smart tv's have that now? I'm not too sure myself), you would need some form of bluetooth controller plugged into the tv in order to add the amp as a connection, but it should be possible (in theory, I've not researched it myself)
Nice production quality. The scripting was good but I think u should have a mix of scripted and unscripted videos. I think shirt scripted videos are good but not long ones. This was probably close to the max length that I would like scripted.
I actually just made bullet points. I don't like to read word for word. This is not really my style. Scripted takes way more time because it requires having more footage.
What’s the best class-H amplifier?
I wonder how hard it would be to include a proper crossover for the speakers/subout.
Good question.
No optical in so a bit of a deal killer for a lot of people if you want to use it with your TV/multiple devices.
Nicely done video!
Have the smsl sa300. S803 jamo. Everything hooked up to blutooth. No sound. Polarities correct. Everything brand new. Tripled check connections. Using lg g6 phone with Amazon Prime. No sound. Help please.
I reset everything no good. Brand new cables .speakers . No sound
@@neilaltschuler6064 I just bought the same setup. Currently i am waiting for delivery. Pls, let me know if you'll be able to fix the problem.
Yes fixed the problem. Volume control wasn't turned up ob the amp. Sounds great. Very impressive. Bass heavy but you can use the eq. Enjoy
What about the SA100? Have you tried it?
Sorry, I haven't.
Do the SA300 ok for Elac b62?
Hi Joe! Can this SMSL SA300 Powers 3 of the Micca M-8C or Micca M-6C?
Only if you get 2 of these to get 4 channels of amplification. This can power 2 speakers.
This or the Dayton audio 2.1 bt?
can i use this amp with the klipsch r51m?
No matter if the power is lower than the speakers? maybe the harmonic distortion damages the amp or the speakers
im looking for that answer as well... did you already tried? or got an answer somewhere else?
These amps can push most speakers loud enough to cause discomfort without reaching distortion. Especially more efficient speakers like the Klipsch. I think high power really becomes noticeable when you're pushing big full range speakers. Most people aren't using those nowadays. They're more than enough for most bookshelf speakers at reasonable volumes...aka not damaging your ears.
@@joentell thanks
I liked that KZ ZS10 Pro IEM.
They not have Optical on the sa300 because you need get there dac that match it.
Joe, like the Miccas in the "budget region"; I wish You would have tried both SMSL amps with the affordable 'Dayton 442 T' transmission line / floor standing towers - Which is surely a more complicated Load ... just sayin'. ;-)
I have those MK442T's. I've reviewed them before. They're in storage at the moment.
lol no, think akg/ grado etc is the better options
Thanks
Very good review Hey Joe can I hook up a small preamplifier that would have more digital inputs
Yes. This only inputs on this are analog RCA, Bluetooth and via USB.
Song at 3:35?
The SMSL SA300 good to jamo s 803?
I use that combo. Great sound
@@neilaltschuler6064 Thanks bro,how many years do you work with it? I am afraid it can't deal working on a high usage as the volume high.can it hurt the speakers?
a smoll classe a\b amp ?
$200 if were to use micca w/smsl amp or $400 with 2 Sonos One speakers I’m on the edge of returning the Sonos speaker which option has the better sound
Right....let's put the AVR output in watts VS a Hi Fi Amps output in Watts to bed.
They are not the same thing.
If you have a 150 w/channel AV amp, with 7+1 channels, you have to understand how it is measured...because you CLEARLY do not have 1200w of output at your fingertips.
They put ONE high load (normally 4 or 6ohm) speaker on ONE channel to do the measurement....this lets the amp purely drive that SINGLE speaker channel as hard as it can into 4ohm, in this case it uses 150w
Now, IF you put an 8 ohm speaker there it would read at 100w(ish)
So, they can now claim 150 watts per channel....and they are not (quite) lying
So, what happens when you attach 8 speakers at 8 ohm to it?
Approximately 20 watts per COMBINED channel is what happens.....it's a long way from 120w per channel isn't it?
This differs from hi fi amps that measure with BOTH channels attached to more typical 8 ohm speakers....and it comes out at a less flattering, but also less bullshit, figure.
And this, dear sir,, is why that little SMSL runs as loud as your AV amp.
If you want to know what your AV amp produces, divide the figure by the amount of speakers, and then take off at least 30% if you are running 8ohm speakers
Why is there no optical input on the SA-300?! This would make a great sound bar killer. Dealbreaker!
Because you can connect your TV to sa300 through USB input. There are a lot of affordable TVs which uses Android Tv or Roku OS.
My TV has analog audio output. Which ones don't?
Can you review M-Audio HDH-50 ?
These most be real popular you can't find any for sale anywhere
Why, oh why, did SMSL get rid of headphone output?
🤷♂️
Thanks man
I must use the AD18 for gaming. Have to have my headphones for communication and for intimate listening. I can't understand how you'd be a PC enthusiasts and not use headphones.
That said I think the SA300 has a better interface and a bit less distortion, but the AD18 has better EQs and better bass sounds + the headphone jack.