The moment he is cornered, he will shift stand and change the question. Had been the hall mark of all NDTV anchors. These will nevere change. Only goal is to question the government if it is not Congress.
The real question to ask is,” What tests the Airforce carries out o a fighter plane before concluding to select a particular fighter jet?” What tests were carried out by our Airforce with Rafale jet weaponries and what were conclusions drawn? During his visit Mr Trappier told that “combat ready aircraft which is Rafale was selected by IAF over others and thanked them. What did that mean ? When Mr Modi and Mr Hollande signed a joint statement, what did they mean of “ same specifications and weaponries already tested by IAF of Rafale jets” shall be supplied with GtoG agreement. Now when this govt says previous agreement was for “bare born jets without any weapon and India specific equipments and cost arrived and now the jets added with all these at three times the cost.” Did all previous purchases of fighter jets were done by the same process? These are my questions.
Great .. Congress took ten years to study an aircraft and its avionics, matching their costs, and finally after spending millions, never placed an order (as the commission was not to the desired level). BJP took a decision in one year, in the interest of the nation, without any middleman, dealing directly with French Govt, and that is being criticized. One fool is arguing that we can even manage with 32 squadrons; then who took the decision to have 42 squadrons? ... But for BJP Govt, LCA Tejas, a product of three decades of indecision, and probably AMCA ( the fifth generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft with stealth features) would also have been dumped. For the Congress, buying is always lucrative, not making in India. Nearly 100 advanced Tejas MK II are going to be inducted into Army and Air force. Prototype of AMCA will be ready by 2019 end. BJP Govt believed in our ISRO scientists and they are delivering ... Now it is the turn of DRDO, to design and deliver the best of war machines.
y the previous govt slept over for years by not finalizing the deal when the our Airforce needs it badly to defend the country...? Just because they cud not extract the commission they wanted..?
Why add-on like missiles, avionics etc are bundled in NDA deal? Have we ever done so in past?Has airfoce done comparative/comprehensive evaluation/recommendation of these add-ons in past after floating inquiry/bids of same? Is there any separate deal pending for approval for them?j
Modi innovated to make money in offset contract to Anil Ambani. The money made is in reducing no. Of fighter planes from 108 to 36. They are taking shield in govt to govt contract but what about offset contract in which money was to be routed and spent in India.
These 36 planes comes with flyaway conditions. Offset contract is not for these planes. Offset partner selection is with OEM i.e. Dessault here. How to complete job along with reqd quality is with offset partners is OEM's responsibility and not Indian Govt. Also Reliance is one of the offset partner who will manufacturers small part of Aircraft and decision on reliance was under UPA Govt
Mr Vikram Chandra the MC is arrogant and interfering with the discussion not moderating the reason Raffele was selected is it can be liaised with Bramos by upgrading the pilons or undercarriage it took 15 yrs of selection process . Make in India can bring in investment into India also it creates a ripple effect in manufacturing especially bringing in the Pvt sector .Otherwise a govt to govt deal to avoid obselence .Too. Many political parties in this discussion and the Anchor was a wrong choice. The Armedforces are the end users. Modi has perfected the procedure and getting things done without kick backs like before That is one of his achievements. Nathan Sekhar Sydney Australia.
Lets Suppose Pakistan's Population is X, then India is 10X. And 2X is without electricity and X is Below Poverty line. On the other side the 100th JF-17 has been rolled out. so the MIG-21's (380 lost, 100 Pilots Killed) are already strained. Yes next war for Hindustan will be a Two Front affair or sort. By Buying this Drainage pipe they are to double the number or homeless and Child Labor. Mame Defense Minister I respect you but all Tamil girls from 10 to 40 would have to be Prostitutes. Every Black/Dark Skinned Man would have to serve as Military Mughal/colonial-era Slave/Sahayak system for the Fair or white Skin Officer class.
Colonel Ajay Shukla was commissioned into the Indian Army in 1976 and retired in 2001 after commanding an Armoured Regiment , served the nation and the Indian Army for 25 years. What do you mean?
it is a good option only if we have the full technology transfer as quoted with 18 fly by planes and 108 planes which are going to be assembeled in HAL.with that our technology towards fighters is going te be improved.but rather investing in more than those 120+aircrafts as per present scenario they should invest the rest in development of HAL by which we can develop aircrafts indigenously there cutting out prices and refits upgrade costs...
The BJP are paying 1611 crores when congress had agreed on 629 crore way is Modi paying 982 Crore more, way is Modi paying lot more Money ? how many French and Indian packets is that money going to fill. make in India ? lol Modi out
When congress was in power anyone who against their voices are called opposition and when BJP rule comes anyone who against their voices are called anti-india or anti government I hate it..
Rafale is our best option! I have done my research work. F35s suck ass. Eurofighter and saab are our two options. Maybe even Sukhois are fine but Rafale is our best op[tion in everyday possible.
saab gripen ? seriously ? when we have lca tejas why do we need the gripen ? both have very similar capabilities . and also keep in mind that gripen costs about 60 mil + per jet and tejas is half that price.
a f_cking gunner not exactly :)...Gripen's got double the combat radius, with excellent radar and avionics..its a class apart from tejas..we need tejas but Gripen's better..
yea i get ur point . but then dont you think we can work on the lca to bring it up to standard . i dont see the point in operating 2 light weight fighters . in my humble opinion, we should induct one light weight fighter in large numbers and invest the rest of the funds in the fgfa or the amca .
a f_cking gunner, there are many aspects into the entire story..... LCA was supposed to cover up 30% of the Mig fleets which were to be retired and the 70% was to be covered by Rafael. Now Rafael is a medium weight fighter while Tejas is a light aircraft. bridging the gap between the phased out Migs and heavy fighters like Su-30mki is not possible with LCA alone. There are certain limitations to LCA. INDIA opted for Rafael to stop the fall of fighter squadrons for a very limited time. In the meantime, Gripen comes as a new age fighter. We still have the option of procuring more Rafael with the French. We were provided with 2 options for more fighter jets. 1st was the F-16 latest variant and the 2nd was Gripen. Pak already has F-16 and know the aircraft better than we do. Gripen comes as more useful since the US will phase out these aircrafts (f-16) in 2 decades or so. Striking the deal for F-16 will take at least 3 years, and then the entire delivery would be completed in another 5 years. so using the jet for just 10-12 (almost half of its service life) years isn't a good idea. Gripen is a newer generation fighter and they are ready to set an assembly line in INDIA as well.
Tender this.Tender that.Keep giving tenders.Put the sale of the nation's defense forces,engineering research establishments on a tender.Sell them to the highest bidder and convert them in to cycle repair stores.Then we will progress.Or we can keep farming.Don't we love farming? "Are bhai par kisan ka kya hoga?"
Why somebody would transfer the latest version of it’s R&D...to begin with transfer of tech is not a straight process ,,,they are generation ahead in dev. of fighter aircrafts !! Are we insane, this is not possible !! Lockheed is doing as F 16 is 80 .s tech !! We can cope with this species !..
please mdiea hlepd opend defans bank ac evry indian banks open army defens ac. tv chanel help permot so sand mony to defans ac and cenves peple take care of defens evry indian responsibilities god bless my braved worrier and indian
Instead of spending money on military hardware if u have no money then China India pakistan should talk with each other and solve their disputes and divert this money to peoples
sambit patra no matter how indecent and foul mouth,but cant stand against the fearless truth ,that is Rabish kumar..cowards boycotting him becz of that
Bigg Boss LMAO :D :D Sambit patra got his ass burned by the congress spokesperson. But this deal was very much needed because of our poor quality of Air Force. Happy that we will have Rafale. And yeah as stated by someone in the debate 36 Rafale will be delivered in more than 2 years.
Pranjal Sharma What ass burned. The joke is on congress now for their inability to put the deal on fast-track. The govt gave the ultimate death-knell to the mother of defense deals.
Shreyas Kittur Congress could have finalized such Rafale Deal to buy 'Make in France' fighters long ago. They were Only striving for Technology Transfer, which would have enabled development of India's Next generation fighter after LCA. But Now thanks to BJP for ruining this deal and also 'Make in India' fighter plane development. ...and Welcome Back to the MIG era as MIG 35 would be India Only resort or otherwise feku can continue his shopping in Local 'Mandi', 36 Rafale de-do, 22 Eurofighter De-do, 25 Griphen Baand-do, Do Kilo Pyaj Aur Char kilo Aaloo Tol-do...
***** GandhuMal...No body transferred technology to Russia-France-USA because they have Skills for Innovation and Funds for research. How do you know that Su-30 is Zero when they are India's frontline strike-fighter. All you need is to read definition of TOT, "the process of transferring skills, knowledge, technologies, methods of manufacturing, samples of manufacturing and facilities among governments or universities and other institutions to ensure that scientific and technological developments are accessible to a wider range of users who can then further develop and exploit the technology into new products, processes, applications, materials or services". After this, all those countries can do is to Feed you straight in the mouth.
Thank god ..I am not NDTV admirer... So the channel so the viewer. It's fashion for so called English speaking. People who have earned with all illegal means speaking against govt to show I am different...
Of course we need defence /security but the way things are done or given highlights is questionable. We need to protect our country and more importantly our people. In which area/sector/ or because of what more lives are lost at present??? When big people make blunder/ commit crimes...(they made a big mistake) we justify, we try to protect, try to understand...but when ordinary people make small mistakes...it becomes a huge mistake...we become angry, we question 100 times, stand for justice...and they (ordinary people) are punished, beaten, fined, their life is ruined... unfortunately our pm himself and many political leaders in some way or the other are overlooking our democracy...our great Constitution...
Ajay sukla pretended to be smart but actually not, just as dumb as rahul G. let us see the history, Kargil was was key here. The requirement was placed after kargil war. In fact, IAF wanted something similar to mirage 2000. it was observed that mirage was very effective in kargil. as per Arun Jaitly, we could free up kargil in 2 days if we had fighter like rafale. Now, as per ajay sukla since we dont have money we sud let our soldier die. we should not spent money to buy weapon and let our soldier die. we saw the same policy during 1962, how our soldier died in the hand of chinese army. he wanted to repeate the same. how stupid. IN OTHER WORDS, GANDA FAMILY WANTS OUR SOLDIER DIE IF THEY DONT GET ANY CUT MONEY.
The moment he is cornered, he will shift stand and change the question. Had been the hall mark of all NDTV anchors. These will nevere change. Only goal is to question the government if it is not Congress.
Poorly held debate. The questions are not in a logical flow to arrive at the final conclusion. Experts not allowed to explain.
The real question to ask is,” What tests the Airforce carries out o a fighter plane before concluding to select a particular fighter jet?”
What tests were carried out by our Airforce with Rafale jet weaponries and what were conclusions drawn?
During his visit Mr Trappier told that “combat ready aircraft which is Rafale was selected by IAF over others and thanked them. What did that mean ?
When Mr Modi and Mr Hollande signed a joint statement, what did they mean of “ same specifications and weaponries already tested by IAF of Rafale jets” shall be supplied with GtoG agreement.
Now when this govt says previous agreement was for “bare born jets without any weapon and India specific equipments and cost arrived and now the jets added with all these at three times the cost.”
Did all previous purchases of fighter jets were done by the same process?
These are my questions.
This is the standard of debate in our country. One'll always be left dry and irritated.
Typical NDTV.
Great .. Congress took ten years to study an aircraft and its avionics, matching their costs, and finally after spending millions, never placed an order (as the commission was not to the desired level). BJP took a decision in one year, in the interest of the nation, without any middleman, dealing directly with French Govt, and that is being criticized. One fool is arguing that we can even manage with 32 squadrons; then who took the decision to have 42 squadrons? ... But for BJP Govt, LCA Tejas, a product of three decades of indecision, and probably AMCA ( the fifth generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft with stealth features) would also have been dumped. For the Congress, buying is always lucrative, not making in India. Nearly 100 advanced Tejas MK II are going to be inducted into Army and Air force. Prototype of AMCA will be ready by 2019 end. BJP Govt believed in our ISRO scientists and they are delivering ... Now it is the turn of DRDO, to design and deliver the best of war machines.
After Chain attacked India We can see that
Ajay Shukla is a jocker from Congress.
buying of rafale fighters is not the questions of discussion it is for our nation security and it is urgent for IAF
Bharat Mata ki jai
No one is asking about the qualifications of the raffel fighters but 0nly about the price and ambni link
A Das
y the previous govt slept over for years by not finalizing the deal when the our Airforce needs it badly to defend the country...? Just because they cud not extract the commission they wanted..?
Of course Rafale is a great machine. That does not dilute the modus operandi.
Bharat ka vikaas ke lieje , sebhi radio aur tv discusion ko band karna chahijee. Je behas khatam karna chahijee.
This former Air Marshall is talking as if there is no other aircraft in the world except Rafale which was rejected in the first trial. How stupid?
Why add-on like missiles, avionics etc are bundled in NDA deal? Have we ever done so in past?Has airfoce done comparative/comprehensive evaluation/recommendation of these add-ons in past after floating inquiry/bids of same? Is there any separate deal pending for approval for them?j
Modi innovated to make money in offset contract to Anil Ambani. The money made is in reducing no. Of fighter planes from 108 to 36. They are taking shield in govt to govt contract but what about offset contract in which money was to be routed and spent in India.
These 36 planes comes with flyaway conditions. Offset contract is not for these planes. Offset partner selection is with OEM i.e. Dessault here. How to complete job along with reqd quality is with offset partners is OEM's responsibility and not Indian Govt. Also Reliance is one of the offset partner who will manufacturers small part of Aircraft and decision on reliance was under UPA Govt
Mr Vikram Chandra the MC is arrogant and interfering with the discussion not moderating the reason Raffele was selected is it can be liaised with Bramos by upgrading the pilons or undercarriage it took 15 yrs of selection process . Make in India can bring in investment into India also it creates a ripple effect in manufacturing especially bringing in the Pvt sector .Otherwise a govt to govt deal to avoid obselence .Too. Many political parties in this discussion and the Anchor was a wrong choice. The Armedforces are the end users. Modi has perfected the procedure and getting things done without kick backs like before That is one of his achievements. Nathan Sekhar Sydney Australia.
🦉patra polluted debate
Now i believe we dont need enemies but NDTV is more than enough
I don't know way Modi brought 36 Rafale when the urgent need is a single Engine air Craft.
Congress spokesman is talking nuisance
Lets Suppose Pakistan's Population is X, then India is 10X. And 2X is without electricity and X is Below Poverty line. On the other side the 100th JF-17 has been rolled out. so the MIG-21's (380 lost, 100 Pilots Killed) are already strained. Yes next war for Hindustan will be a Two Front affair or sort. By Buying this Drainage pipe they are to double the number or homeless and Child Labor. Mame Defense Minister I respect you but all Tamil girls from 10 to 40 would have to be Prostitutes. Every Black/Dark Skinned Man would have to serve as Military Mughal/colonial-era Slave/Sahayak system for the Fair or white Skin Officer class.
Utkarsh Jangid It is big scam of Rafael
Congress spokes person have always talked non sense ..
whats the conclusion of this debate ????? nothing
shukla will fight with pakistan and china . Anchor has given more chance to speak for shukla then the actual person who have served in the army .
Colonel Ajay Shukla was commissioned into the Indian Army in 1976 and retired in 2001 after commanding an Armoured Regiment , served the nation and the Indian Army for 25 years. What do you mean?
9:25 not even single aircraft yet, it's been 3 years
National security : 1660 crore for 1 Rafel
in case if we are in mid of war...dos apposion going to play pilots ????
it is a good option only if we have the full technology transfer as quoted with 18 fly by planes and 108 planes which are going to be assembeled in HAL.with that our technology towards fighters is going te be improved.but rather investing in more than those 120+aircrafts as per present scenario they should invest the rest in development of HAL by which we can develop aircrafts indigenously there cutting out prices and refits upgrade costs...
The BJP are paying 1611 crores when congress had agreed on 629 crore way is Modi paying 982 Crore more, way is Modi paying lot more Money ? how many French and Indian packets is that money going to fill. make in India ? lol Modi out
When congress was in power anyone who against their voices are called opposition and when BJP rule comes anyone who against their voices are called anti-india or anti government I hate it..
Rafale is our best option! I have done my research work. F35s suck ass. Eurofighter and saab are our two options. Maybe even Sukhois are fine but Rafale is our best op[tion in everyday possible.
Why channels used to call idiots like sambit patra 😂😂😂
Looks like BJP IT CELL is paid overtime to comment on this topic/
saab gripen ? seriously ? when we have lca tejas why do we need the gripen ? both have very similar capabilities . and also keep in mind that gripen costs about 60 mil + per jet and tejas is half that price.
a f_cking gunner not exactly :)...Gripen's got double the combat radius, with excellent radar and avionics..its a class apart from tejas..we need tejas but Gripen's better..
raptor2684 Exactly. The Gripen NG is miles ahead of Tejas but not better than the Rafale.
yea i get ur point . but then dont you think we can work on the lca to bring it up to standard . i dont see the point in operating 2 light weight fighters . in my humble opinion, we should induct one light weight fighter in large numbers and invest the rest of the funds in the fgfa or the amca .
a f_cking gunner, there are many aspects into the entire story.....
LCA was supposed to cover up 30% of the Mig fleets which were to be retired and the 70% was to be covered by Rafael. Now Rafael is a medium weight fighter while Tejas is a light aircraft. bridging the gap between the phased out Migs and heavy fighters like Su-30mki is not possible with LCA alone. There are certain limitations to LCA. INDIA opted for Rafael to stop the fall of fighter squadrons for a very limited time. In the meantime, Gripen comes as a new age fighter. We still have the option of procuring more Rafael with the French. We were provided with 2 options for more fighter jets. 1st was the F-16 latest variant and the 2nd was Gripen. Pak already has F-16 and know the aircraft better than we do. Gripen comes as more useful since the US will phase out these aircrafts (f-16) in 2 decades or so. Striking the deal for F-16 will take at least 3 years, and then the entire delivery would be completed in another 5 years. so using the jet for just 10-12 (almost half of its service life) years isn't a good idea. Gripen is a newer generation fighter and they are ready to set an assembly line in INDIA as well.
+Bob Desai Tarik fateh is indian agent .Lol
You see world had changed what is the use of war plane see koria
what is going on do you know all the planes of the world
This debate is full of speculative in nature. This anchor is asking the wrong panels. Ask the right people who were involved in the deal.
where is part 2?
This stupid channel only display half of debate. They force us to watch full debate on separate link.
what process mr cong last 10 yr u did not procurement
Tender this.Tender that.Keep giving tenders.Put the sale of the nation's defense forces,engineering research establishments on a tender.Sell them to the highest bidder and convert them in to cycle repair stores.Then we will progress.Or we can keep farming.Don't we love farming? "Are bhai par kisan ka kya hoga?"
Let them publish d corruption documents.
It is big scam of Rafael.
Ajai Shukla a Congress spokesperson.He is more interested in finding fault then talking about way forward.
isko bhej dete hai patra ko ...he knows pakistan me jao ...pakistan ...pakistan ...mandir yhi bnayedge moulana ji
Rafael is a good fighter jet and India needs to protect the borders from enemies. Good decision!!
Take modi out of the equation and bjp is zero ....
How fool is ajai Shukla ?
Just analyse the causes of death in our country and then find some solutions...that is also equally important.
shukla you r not buying chadi or baniyan from road side vendor
Lady sitting behind is very pretty,
Why somebody would transfer the latest version of it’s R&D...to begin with transfer of tech is not a straight process ,,,they are generation ahead in dev. of fighter aircrafts !!
Are we insane, this is not possible !!
Lockheed is doing as F 16 is 80 .s tech !! We can cope with this species !..
what kind of nonsense to include so many panelist in a 30mnt debate,its like arnab show...no conclusions
10 years Rs in poket....
All know congress is corrept on defence deal. Congress should shut up
Decision making is the basic thing.
NDTV IS KEEPING SILENCE ON RR''s disclosures on NPAs Why ?
purchase nuclear weapon of all that money used in rafale....
we will have more distructive power...then
congress dosent smells Pakistan courrept military ????
after watching this I think congress was the right government for the country
Khabis patra..bokto mitro..jumbla lelo Bhi jumbla lelo
First Rafael is coming in 2022
Very cunning said 🐷 patra he doesnt know any thing technical by did some research 🤣🤣🤣🤣
please mdiea hlepd opend defans bank ac evry indian banks open army defens ac. tv chanel help permot so sand mony to defans ac and cenves peple take care of defens evry indian responsibilities god bless my braved worrier and indian
in case nuclear attack dos air force going to defend with mig21??? all debate by papu is shameful...
aunty patra a real aunty
Instead of spending money on military hardware if u have no money then China India pakistan should talk with each other and solve their disputes and divert this money to peoples
Remember 1962
sambit patra no matter how indecent and foul mouth,but cant stand against the fearless truth ,that is Rabish kumar..cowards boycotting him becz of that
Very happy for vikram when this dog sambit is barking
ha ha ha
Modi ji we want u again ....
Vikram unfair to interupt congress speaker and allowing those fools to speculate.
Bigg Boss LMAO :D :D Sambit patra got his ass burned by the congress spokesperson. But this deal was very much needed because of our poor quality of Air Force. Happy that we will have Rafale. And yeah as stated by someone in the debate 36 Rafale will be delivered in more than 2 years.
Pranjal Sharma What ass burned. The joke is on congress now for their inability to put the deal on fast-track. The govt gave the ultimate death-knell to the mother of defense deals.
Shreyas Kittur Congress could have finalized such Rafale Deal to buy 'Make in France' fighters long ago. They were Only striving for Technology Transfer, which would have enabled development of India's Next generation fighter after LCA. But Now thanks to BJP for ruining this deal and also 'Make in India' fighter plane development.
...and Welcome Back to the MIG era as MIG 35 would be India Only resort or otherwise feku can continue his shopping in Local 'Mandi',
36 Rafale de-do,
22 Eurofighter De-do,
25 Griphen Baand-do,
Do Kilo Pyaj Aur Char kilo Aaloo Tol-do...
***** GandhuMal...No body transferred technology to Russia-France-USA because they have Skills for Innovation and Funds for research. How do you know that Su-30 is Zero when they are India's frontline strike-fighter. All you need is to read definition of TOT,
"the process of transferring skills, knowledge, technologies, methods of manufacturing, samples of manufacturing and facilities among governments or universities and other institutions to ensure that scientific and technological developments are accessible to a wider range of users who can then further develop and exploit the technology into new products, processes, applications, materials or services".
After this, all those countries can do is to Feed you straight in the mouth.
Pranjal Sharma ..rafale is not Maruti swift which can be bought from showrooms....it will take more than 2 yrs
Gobar Patra Don't talk rubbish. Start JPC if BJP is innocent in Rafale deal. Don't play blame game. You'll have spoiled Indian foreign policy.
Every one was crying for Palastine in India,but no PM cared to visit them except Modi equally as Isreal
The girl sitting behind the news anchor is so pretty. Love to get to know her
Ajai Shukla, please do not promote corrupt Congressis... Remember u have a military background...
Thank god ..I am not NDTV admirer... So the channel so the viewer. It's fashion for so called English speaking. People who have earned with all illegal means speaking against govt to show I am different...
Of course we need defence /security but the way things are done or given highlights is questionable. We need to protect our country and more importantly our people. In which area/sector/ or because of what more lives are lost at present??? When big people make blunder/ commit crimes...(they made a big mistake) we justify, we try to protect, try to understand...but when ordinary people make small mistakes...it becomes a huge mistake...we become angry, we question 100 times, stand for justice...and they (ordinary people) are punished, beaten, fined, their life is ruined... unfortunately our pm himself and many political leaders in some way or the other are overlooking our democracy...our great Constitution...
Modi's happy days of 2019 are certain to come from the Rafale deal!
Like the Hindi proverb goes "DASON UNGLIYAAN GHEE MEIN AUR SAR KADAAHI MEIN!"
Congress looted for years,no problem
Id88o
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Oversmart and biased air marshal
Ajay sukla pretended to be smart but actually not, just as dumb as rahul G. let us see the history, Kargil was was key here. The requirement was placed after kargil war. In fact, IAF wanted something similar to mirage 2000. it was observed that mirage was very effective in kargil. as per Arun Jaitly, we could free up kargil in 2 days if we had fighter like rafale.
Now, as per ajay sukla since we dont have money we sud let our soldier die. we should not spent money to buy weapon and let our soldier die. we saw the same policy during 1962, how our soldier died in the hand of chinese army. he wanted to repeate the same. how stupid. IN OTHER WORDS, GANDA FAMILY WANTS OUR SOLDIER DIE IF THEY DONT GET ANY CUT MONEY.
Bjp amassed money...
Why channels used to call idiots like sambit patra 😂😂😂
Why channels used to call idiots like sambit patra 😂😂😂