The ATACMs sent were past their use by date. There has even been a relatively high failure rate with these missiles. If these missiles were not given to Ukraine it would have cost millions to decommission these missile. Giving these missiles to Ukraine should be listed as a cost savings not a cost.
Exactly. Same in the uk people where annoyed we gave old storm shadows even tho them ones where set to get decommissioned early 2025. Better to use them instead of letting them become useless
@@Ganderbin And your point is? We bought and paied for them. US didnt build them General Dynamics did, but still irellevant as they are ours, and we gave them to Ukraine.
the US needs all its older jets for a pacific conflict, unironically because its big profits in F35 but limited numbers. If the US loses the Island in asia and its chips its all over, no superpower advantage
@@gandalf1124 The European F-16's weren't even built by General Dynamics. They were built by the Dutch company Fokker in Schiphol-Oost, The Netherlands; and by the Belgian company SABCA in Gosselies, Beligum. The European F-16s are just licensed designs, but funded, built, and maintained in Europe by Europeans.
The intro showed F-16s as the voice over says the US sent "air support" which suggests that the US sent them, but NO! The F-16s were sent by European countries.
@@FinUgShiet The bottom line is that this video is really MAGA propaganda intended to push their misguided narrative which is indirectly dictated from Putin. They hide their true intentions behind names that seem neutral, but are anything but.
Munitions have a shelf life. 20 years for heavy equipment (missiles, artillery) usually, 10 to 15 for most infantry-based munitions (manpads, anti tank rockets etc). Weapons are "use it or lose it". When munitions in the US army reach end of life, they are expended in training exercises anyway. Over 70% of the munitions sent to Ukraine is 10 to 20 years old already and was near end of life and would've been fired off in training exercises anyway. Also, the manufacture of fresh munitions / weapons is a DIRECT investment in the US economy as it employes countless thousands of AMERICANS. That money is NOT LEAVING the US, it is going directly back into it.
@@rickycoverrubias6176 That is 100% FALSE. Munitions do NOT last indefinitely. The US' Minute Man nuclear warheads for example only last 30 years before the chemical components degrade and are rendered useless, most are in fact expiring within the next few years and is why the US is trying to budget for replacement nukes. Patriot missiles only last 18 years before going inert and needing replacement. Only small arms munitions (7.62, 5.56, 9mm etc) are generally considered to have indefinite lfiespans if stored properly. But artillery, rockets, missiles, etc, ALL of those will and do expire.
Hey Business Insider, you need to do a video about how the accounting behind this works. The U.S. has been valuing systems like M113s (1950s era APCs that we retired in the 80s) at more than $500,000 apiece. When they're sold for scrap they're sold for about $200 apiece (still running). A lot of the ammo we have sent was near the end of its shelf life and it would have cost us more to dispose of than it cost us to send to Ukraine. So $175billion is a hugely inflated number.
@@TomatoFettuccini Only $107 billion of that $175 figure goes directly to Ukraine. ($69.8 in weaponry, 34.2 in budgetary aid and 2.9 in Humanitarian aid). Most of the rest of the funds went to other US activities that support the Ukrainians.
Russia is a huge country, infact a continent----have you any idea what it would take to defend it. There are 13,000 T64s , 5,500+ T-80s, 25,000 T-72s , 4,000+ T-9os around the globe; guess how many are in Russian strategic storage's and reserves...
They're probably using the cost of the equipment when new and the cost of replacing old munitions with new production. So we'd have spend most of this money anyway, but the equipment is being sent to Ukraine to be used rather than a scrapper to be recycled.
@@pk3778 A lot, but we haven't built any new ones from scratch for probably 20 years. Instead when we want to upgrade we take older ones out of storage, disassemble them and rebuild them with upgrades. The upgraded version goes into service and the older ones go into storage until it's their turn to be upgraded. Unlike Russian tanks, it's so hard to kill an Abrams that very few of them have been destroyed beyond repair in the last 30 years that we don't really need to make completely new ones any more.
Couple clarifications, the US has not promised one single aircraft to Ukraine, we gave permission for others to donate US made aircraft. Second clarification, with all kinds of things from Bradley IFV's to artillery shells the Pentagon typically ships them old 15-20 year old items or older from mothball storage but it does not charge the aid package the cost of that item twenty years ago or the depreciated cost either, it charges the aid package to Ukraine the FULL cost of a brand NEW Bradley (using the Bradley as an example) the Pentagon then ships Ukraine the twenty year old mothballed Bradley and uses the money from the aid package to buy a brand new Bradley for US forces. A lot of people do not know this and assume we are just giving them stuff like many other countries but the US is using the Ukraine aid package for a significant US military buildup or rather modernization replacing old with new.
Pretty much EVERYBODY already knows this. But do you seriously believe that the EU countries are not rotating their stock as well? And do you seriously believe that replenishing stock for items sent to Ukraine are not counted by the EU countries as well? And do you seriously believe that the other countries are not using this to buildup or modernize their military as well?
I’m pretty sure that was what Poland and Romania did as well. Poland gave Ukraine all of their old tanks, while they purchased new tanks from the USA, South Korea and Germany. Romania had a bunch of old artillery guns from the 1960s, that were given to Ukraine “for free” since they no longer had any use of such obsolete guns.
@@bigdog8008 Pretty much those who listen to fox news and conservatives do not know this. They are being told lies that we are handing mountains of money and weapons to Ukraine and that its all being stolen by the Ukraine government. There is so much disinformation in our country. The republicans lie all the time and have convinced half the country this is what is happening. Sadly republican voters are praising putin and pushing our government to leave ukraine to die. We have so many traitors in our country it is incredible. Thankfully democrats realize russia is one of the biggest threats to the entire world, and continue to uphold our agreements with our allies. Russia will not win as long as we can keep trump out of office. trump will bend over backwards for his master putin.
All the countries are also sending Surplus stuff/older stuff ,nobody is sending band new anything to Ukraine. Nobody wants to Disarm themselves or weaken themselves for Ukraine.
Yeah provide your cheap virtue, ever took 2 minutes to understand how could a country have Money to spend to eradicate poverty while they are being bombarded with missiles and artillery?
Had more arms been given initially it wouldn't have come to the drone warfare evolution stage. A lot of care has been taken to not hit Russia so hard they withdraws from the conflict, but continues to burn down its stockpile of weapons.
When you hear them saying that they "gave" Ukraine billions of $, no they didn't. That money went straight back into the military sector in the USA and then the weapons and ammo from that was delivered to Ukraine.
Not completely true: because of total mobilization Ukraine can't sustain itself so the US and allies have to give Ukraine something or its economy will just collapse.
If I give you a used car worth 10K, I just gave you 10k worth of aid. Whether I turn around and buy myself a new car or not, that doesn't change the fact that I gave you that amount of value.
The Ukrainian 155mm Bohdana howitzer may take half a year to produce an individual unit, but have you ever seen an arms factory were they were working on just one tank at a time? Ukraine produces 6 Bohdana per month and they have a range of 30-40km depending on the round (no-frills $300 round or $3000 ERBB). The US provided 200 M777 which was very generous, sadly since they're stationary (no shoot-and-scoot) and the US removed the FCS which was too valuable to fall into Russian hands, the range was reduced to 24km with standard rounds and most M777 (and worse: their US trained crews) have been destroyed at this point. Though they provided Ukraine with some massive jolt in firepower at a critical point in the conflict. Two points I'd like to make: - I'd divide the donated weapons in 3 groups: 1.High-tech weapons produced specifically for Ukraine: HIMARS, MIM-104 Patriot, Javelins, M30/31 and ATACMS missiles, GLSDB, JDAM and the significant costs incurred by keeping AWACS and MALE surveillance drones in the air day and night, and analyzing that intel - upside for the US: if you look at this like it was a fire drill for a direct conflict with a near-peer adversary, it's identified some weakpoints that would not have been adressed otherwise. Like: insufficient stockpiles combined with lackluster production capabilities for certain systems in case of a protracted conflict - and the dire need to finally decide on a new long-range (80km) self-propeller howitzer. Another upside, primarily during the first year of the war, is that the army did actually save money by sending ammunition nearing the end of it's shelf life to Ukraine, saving on disposal costs. As for the cost of 10,000 Javelins - "over $200,000" per system is what foreign customers might pay. The US Army pays less than $100,000 if I'm not mistaken. And all those costs not only get injected directly into the US economy, there have been numerous anouncements from the defense sector that they will increase monthly production of X, meaning either extra shifts and/or extra production lines and/or new plants, all of which means extra manufacturing and R&D jobs in the defense sector - with a Democrat in the White House. Besides, not only has the US provided less Patriots than Germany, European countries are literally standing in line to buy MIM-104 Patriot batteries, F-35, HIMARS, Apaches, stockpiles of weapons for the F35, PAC-2/PAC-3 for the Patriots. The first thing the Bundeswehr ordered once the €100 billion check cleared was 60 of the CH-47F Chinooks and shortly thereafter 35 F-35A to stay in the NATO nuclear sharing program. The 3 MIM-104 Patriot batteries donated to Ukraine were matched by an order for 4 brand-new batteries from the US. 2. Mothballed weapon systems like the M2 Bradley. Surprisingly the Bradley has outperformed all other foreign IFVs and MBTs, at least that's my perception. Some of them you could argue are strategic stockpiles for a protracted conflict as well, but so far merely 62 Abrams and 400 something Bradleys have been sent. And it's not like the others were being sold off like hotcakes, they were just gathering dust in the Arizona desert - so what cost was incurred to the American taxpayer? Some of the other stuff makes me think: "My, they really could have thrown in an LCS or two with those 1,000 (!) MaxxPro". Upside: As with the MaxxPro, some systems mostly built for Afghanistan to quickly fix one specific issue might not be too painfull to get rid of - and if they're coming from active stock (presidential draw-down) the units that were robbed of their majestic MaxxPros get the chance to procure more versatile, modern systems. 3. Completely outdated weapon systems: included in those $175 billion are such treasures as the M113 - or 1980s soviet transport helicopters meant originally for the (very) short-lived Afghan goverment post-withdrawal of Coalition Forces. Finally: Europe has paid a heck of a lot more. Germany alone had to shoulder costs of $200 billion to get through the first winter without Russian gas, having to buy whatever was available at spot prices inflated up to 400% - convenient for gas producers like the US. Then there's also the detail that the EU is paying each year for over 5 million refugees. Depending on the benefits granted, that can incur significant costs as well. Germany alone provides shelter to ~1.x million Ukrainian refugees at a cost of over $12,000 per person per annum. So this used to be $12 billion year in, year out. TL;DR: US military aid to Ukraine is crucial. I don't mind if the US don't send a nickel in cash, but Europe unfortunately didn't build stockpiles of weapons to send to Ukraine. We'll pay their soldiers, their firemen, police and other public servants. We'll help with pensions and basic training. But when it comes to sending weapons, like NOW, nobody can replace America.
You are mostly right except for the last statement. Western allies' financial aid is strictly forbidden to be spent for defense purposes, so no soldiers were paid with your help. But we are grateful for all other aid like school teachers' salaries and some (most of?) other social spending.
The ending of the video, where they say that the USA has given Ukraine one Patriot battery, that on the defence summit it was promised to send four more and that Ukraine has said that they need seven. As they leave out any mention of the support other countries have provided this implies that Ukraine only has one Patriot battery.
One big hangup is permission. US controls those US made Patriot batteries by "Negation." They can only be transferred by the countries that use them when the U.S. approves it. That makes reporting numbers a little tricky unless you explain the whole backstory. All the Patriot batteries in Ukraine are there with U.S. permission.
One, for pricing must remember that the U.S. Air Force spent $10,000 on each new toilet seat cover for the C-17 cargo plane. Two, when munitions in the U.S. Army reach the end of their service life, it's often more cost-effective to give them away rather than dispose of them.
C-17 seat covers when in production were closer to $2000, which is similar to most airlines. They need to build tooling again to produce a very short run. 250,000 in tooling for 50 seats. Makes perfect sense to anyone who knows production. Your second point stands.
You don't understand the inflated prices covers the huge multi hundred billion intelligence agencies black budgets. Nobody know what cia or Dia or nsa gets per year....
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as other commenters have pointed out, another factor worth noting when estimating the price of aid is the fact that items in it are counted by their procurement cost (aka the price it would cost to buy a new one). This means that even if the piece was payed for decades ago it will be counted as if the DOD bought a new one and then sent it to Ukraine.
Without the best intel directly from Ukraine the US will have no idea about the new ways of warfare, the details on how drones are used to change the battlefield. If the support to Ukraine is the price, it is very cheap. After all 100 BN dollars over 3 years compared to the 2800 BN dollars of the US military budget in the same period shows how cheap this absolutely decisive intel comes to the US.
It is not big deal to us becuse they have some one to buy weapons and takes tax and support Ukraine and country who printed billions of dollars with out punishment
Hey America, remember about Poland: 80x PT91 Twardy tank, 300 (all used in Poland) T-72 tanks, 10 x MIG29, Piorun manpads, Warmate drones, 155mm KRAB howitzers, 120 mm RAK mortars, 14x Leopard tank, 10x Mi-24. Dont forget about supply from Great Britain.
@@Jakubescu The storm shadow designed and built in Europe certainly got destroyed when it accidentally flew into the Seym Bridge. The bridge appears not to have come out well.
31 old M1A1 Abrams were delivered to Ukraine. Western allies have provided more than 120 tanks alone. The U.S. Army has some 3,450 M1A1 and M1A2 in storage.
@@himalayansaltlamp9370 The Abrams tanks Ukraine got are so subpar that they are putting on Russian Kontakt-1 reactive armor for them to have a chance in combat.
Major mistake at 8:39, the Abrams that Ukraine received does not use the 105mm M68, the 105mm are only available on very early Abrams in the 80s, it uses the new 120mm M256, can't believe a big outlet like Insider would make this mistake.
I've read that America is sending Ukraine a stripped down version of the Abrams in case it's captured by the Russians. This is to guard their latest tech.
This has been money well spent. It's important to note it's been a re-outfitting of US forces with top of the line equipment with their hand-me-down (yet still excellent) equipment going to Ukraine
@8:12 a lot of people don't realize that the money we're spending is going into building infrastructure here in U.S. that will benefit the U.S. in the future. These items are priced at high dollar, but we're producing them for a fraction of that. So, while it seems like we're sending over $175 billion, it's actually much less than that, with a large percentage of the money being invested into factories and equipment here at home. We're literally sending our old stockpiles and then replacing them with new ones. This not only replenishes our ammunitions but it provides jobs for people in the U.S. as well.
It is truly shameful at how little the US has increased its capacity. Doubling the peacetime production volume over 2+ years?!?!? As a tiny token effort, they should have increased capacity ten-fold. The need for shells increased by 300-fold over peacetime requirements and we did next to nothing to meet their need. Completely embarrassing.
Well when you put in a 0.003% GDP per year you are not even giving close to a 1% effort. The US has not even dipped a fraction of a fraction of s toe in this conflict.
This was a really informative episode and I learned a lot! It is important to mention the amount of time that we’ve been sitting on these weapons and vehicles waiting for politicians to stop dragging feet though.
This content would likely be part of a broader discussion or series examining the intersection of business, geopolitics, and defense in the context of the Ukraine conflict, highlighting the critical role that U.S. weapons manufacturing plays in global security dynamics.
@@BarryMcCockiner-em5sv This is not good, the US is one of the countries that has taken on security guarantees for Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine giving russia its nuclear weapons and their carriers.
We sent that money in the form of value in weapons. We sent them old weapons that will be replaced with the 2024 edition. We are selling/giving our old stock to be used in Ukraine so that if we do need to use our own, it will be the most up to date version. We are also sending that value in the form of training and intelligence. This also allows our economy to start transitioning to a more "wartime economy" gradually instead of all at once. ALSO we get to see how our tech stacks up against our adversaries tech and make adjustments to our new equipment. The titles makes it seem like we wrote a check for $175B. True we did give financial aid, but most of the aid came in the form of outdated arms. (most likely our old stock from 2000-2020 wars).
Incorrect The US is literally sending Cash to Ukraine. The US is paying for the entire Ukranian government and all its 1.7 Million employees that include the military. According to US Senator Tuberville the US has given Ukraine around 360 Billion dollars
@@spartacusreview And there is no way a US senator would ever lie, right? Back in reality what's actually happening is the US is dumping mostly old military stock and the accountants are using the original sticker prices to pad the numbers for their politician bosses. Yes the US is also sending cash (though not nearly as much as the EU), with it's still nowhere near 360 billion. And even then, destroying Russia through this proxy war, preventing a second Cold War and interference when dealing with China, is the most 'bang-for-a-buck' efficient the Pentagon has ever been in its entire history. So quit your whining, spending money to police the world is the inevitable cost for reaping the insane benefits for being the world's unchallenged superpower.
@@spartacusreview Western allies' financial aid is strictly forbidden to be spent for defense purposes. Indeed, school teachers' salaries and social things like that were covered by Western financial aid.
Dont forget to mention one important detail. These weapon systems we are sending over are already PAID FOR years and years ago when they were manufactured.
Well since we are depleting our stocks we better hope we dont get into a scuffle with china any time soon. Bc who is gonna send USA support or weapons.. Europe is already saying if we stop supporting Ukraine and russia takes Ukraine it's our fault. Like I said in another comment we must be stupid to think a whole continent of wealthy countries that claim Russia will keep going past Ukraine so in theory they could be at risk, but still cant manage to supply what they demand we supply.. and one other thing, I dont think it's really the fact that we are sending aid to Ukraine, because its not like if they were sending money it wouldn't get spent on what we think it should be spent on anyways.. the issue is this government seems to only care about helping other countries or other countries people, like all the illegals that are here getting help but hell no Americans must not deserve it.... that's the problem and idk how that could be argued against. It's a fact its happening and anyone that cares would say it's wrong
16:24 I just can't get over how Business Insider keeps framing costs. A switchblade is just under twice the price of a 155mm artillery round but can achieve the same effects with less expended munitions compared to a fire mission with a 155mm round. Literally every single cost metric shown in videos like this are intended to leave the viewer with a negative opinion based on cost alone.
This made it sound like the U.S. is “supplying” F-16s. After the U.S. finally granted permission, other countries are supplying the eighty five F-16s. The U.S. has been helping with training though and hopefully it will supply ammunition for the F16s.
If EU and USA had supplied Ukraine properly from the start instead of being so slow and drip feeding supplies then Russia would not have had time to regroup and adapt - and the war may have been over by now. The Ukraine war has shattered my trust in NATO and the EU as 'defence' organisations
you're an absolute dumbo if you think for a split second that Russia would have ever been "defeated" without a full scale nuclear assault. And we shouldn't have been funding anything in the first place; the reason Russia invaded was because NATO was stockpiling weapons and testing them on russia's border, which is a direct violation of multiple treaties. the west is absolutely the aggressor here, and the whole point was to drag the west into another endless war that they can use to their advantage.
@@tb7771 if you refuse jobs you don't deserve unemployment. Ukraine is hiring. ... And so is russia, if you're one of those commie loving conservative traitors.
0:09 The first four years in Afghanistan, there were hardly any troops there. Bush et al. were amassing more than 100,000 troops along the Iraqi border with Kuwait when there was less than 10,000 in Afghanistan. Probably a big reason Afghanistan was lost. The end totals on those two wars was measured in trillions of $$$, not billions.
@@Willy_Tepes 7,377 Lancaster heavy bombers were built. 20,341 Spitfires were built and 14,483 Hurricanes aircraft in WW2 and then there was the USA The B-24 Liberator was a powerful symbol of US industrial might, with more than 18,000 produced by the war's end etc etc
@@AuroraColoradoUSA Like in WW2 we fought Hitler and today we are helping Ukraine to fight another 21st century Hitler - Putin who attacked another country just as Hitler did 85 years ago
Reporter: "The tank remains the apex predator" The Ukraine War: Literally disproving the value of heavy armour every single week. In fact, the only major armoured assault the Ukrainians made got wrecked by artillery and mines. The Russia armoured advance got picked apart by drones and MANPADS. The one thing this war has definitively proven - the tank is no longer top dog. Hell - this is even a war that doesn't have major air power activity - imagine if it did! Tanks would be blasted the moment they hit the road.
One thing I’ve learned from watching the Ukraine war is that I think tanks are becoming obsolete in the 21st century. I could be proven wrong, but watching cheaper drones take out tanks like they are nothing made me believe I don’t want to be in a tank. Air forces have always been more powerful than ground forces, and as those air forces become more advanced, the ground forces will become more obsolete.
no, the combined arms principle are still valid and if you lack one of the components you´ll suffer for it. Though one could argue that in the combined arms - lets call it a pie chart of usefulness - each old component got less important with the introduction ( or rather first actual implementation ) of drone technologies and top-attack missile systems like javelin. An obsolete tank is obsolete because it can´t deal with the modern battlefield and gets too easily destroyed, its not that tanks ( with their massive line of sight firepower ) are obsolete as system, it just has shown that the bulk of the current tank forces of the world are still in the 90ties of the last century. But thats nothing new, most wars have been fought with the - updated or not - technology of the last war and the longer the war is going on the harder the lessons are to be learned.
Ground forces are less than air power? If you have nowhere to take off or land, you're SOL. Also, the US has been bombing the crap out of like 14 nations for the last decade. They haven't surrendered yet...
Air forces are also vulnerable--neither Russia nor Ukraine can overfly the others' territory safely. They only do so with unmanned aircraft which are disposable so if you lose half of them it's an acceptable loss.
Do you know the failure rate of this old stuff? Would you like to go to war and find that the equipment you rely on doesn't work and if it does is ineffective.
I think the switchblade drones are more terrifying then the ones that drop a frag grenades or whatever they attach to it. Drone literally cruises in the air for 20 mins until it spots an enemy and immediately turns into a suicide bomb
@@apollo9261 Lol. What proof do you need? USA sends production of Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrup Grumman, L3Harris and a lot of other companies. It's new working places, salaries, taxes
Did Biden tell you that one? 😂 America has sent over 120 billion to Ukraine since 2014. I really doubt any of that money "came back" to the U.S. Zelenskyy is quietly buying plenty of homes all over Europe, so there's that.
imagine that just like Russia is fighting Ukraine on the battlefield, Russia is also waging an online disinformation battle against clean energy like wind and solar, and giving tacit support to politics (like republicans) that are anti-environmental protections and pro-fossil fuel, because Russia's economy is dominated by oil and they do not have the silicon technical capabilities or capacity to provide solar PV products or EV cars. They are inextricably tied together. Support Trump, and he will both undermine the ukraine warfront and simultaneously pull everything thread of progress in our clean energy economy.
As it said in the Bible, there will always be wars and rumors of wars, man will always have issues with other nationalities of man. However, there is no 'fighting' so-called 'climate change', which is a made up name for a money pit for the guv'met. This earth is a huge planet that has it's own system that repairs itself constantly, albeit in time that seems to be to slow for activists. Look at Nature's one highly powerful destroyers, the volcano, which when erupts in a very large explosion. After several years the evidence of it is all but gone to a few indicators, like, where is the big ash cloud that covered miles of the land downwind of it now? Wind movements dispersed them just as it disperses 'pollution' that is so hyped up. In all my 78 years in Oklahoma, I have never seen the pollution that activists keep harping about in my area. We have more evidence left over from tornadoes than any kind of pollution from cars, it's just more guv'met control and funds given to them from the 'rules and regs' set up from it to meet their demands.
So assuming that we could even change the climate of a planet that has been here billions and billions of years before us, you'd want to risk doing something that's not reversable in case it doesn't work out and keep in mind you are talking about only one continent on the planet out of many? I agree that these efforts are dumb but the U.S isn't the only land mass on the planet for us to try to do something about climate change.
US weapons have performed extremely poorly when factoring in the expense of production. Why are we overspending on these weapons that go toe-in-toe with cheap rivals?
Left out a lot of gotchas in regards to artillery ammunition production. First the shells are filled with IMX (insensitive munitions explosive), not TNT. The USA no longer has an operational TNT factory. The USA plans to increase production of 155mm ammunition to 100,000 shells per month in 2025. This would require approximately 46 million pounds of IMX production per year. IMX was produced at a rate of 5 million pounds/year at the start of the war. The delayed "aid to Ukraine" also delayed increasing production of IMX (plant expansion) to 13 million pounds per year. To make up the shortfall (46 - 13 = 33 million pounds) the same aid also will restart TNT production at the rate of 5 million pounds/year. The other 28 million pounds is being sourced from Poland, India, and others (not publicly available). Next up, the propellant to actually fire the filled shells is no longer manufactured in the USA. Honestly, we need more spending to increase production IN THE USA. We don't need politicians delaying the funding.
So many factual errors in this video. The prices are completely overblown. No F16 were sent. America has committed significantly less than 175 billion USD as sown by the Kiel Institute Arms support tracker.
The F-16s are literally in Ukraine for over a week now my man, we have seen lots of pics with Ukrainian insignias. They made lots of small mistakes (like saying the M1A1 sen to Ukraine uses a 105mm gun) and those representatives were spewing pure propaganda. But overall this wasn't that bad of an article for what the current standards are for press.
@@morgus9892 Yes Ukraine has received F16. But not from the USA. They received them from Denmark and the Netherlands, and they purchased them from the USA many years ago. So they are also quite old F16 models, not financed by US taxpayers.
Unused and discontinued inventory has what value? $100 Billion over 2.5 years is what percentage of an GDP of $60 Trillion over 2.5 years? .0016%? Your point?
Exactly, it has e.g. in cases of very old stuff ... M113 comes to mind ... only scrap value if you don´t manage to sell it to someone as an - barely usable - APC. So to be honest the scap values and the negative value/cost to get rid of a weapon or ammo near or beyond its shelf life should be used in many cases instead of a fantasy "second hand" value ... but the numbers look more fancy if they don´t ( sad thing is most people don´t understand that and think "mah tax mony uhsed" ). No dudes it was spent a long time ago for a world war III that (thankfully) didn´t come. Also ofc there are actually somewhat modern weapons which have to be produced like HIMARS ammo, GLSDB kits and Excalibur rounds etc. because they don´t have a large stockpile ... its a mix.
I honestly don't understand the valuation the US military uses for their equipment. When Finland and Estonia sent a bunch of their 80's made Pasi APC's, they were valued at practically nothing by our defence forces.
Poland delivered the most and fastest in the European Union. As the war began it sent modernized its t-72 tanks. Such machines had already been used by the Ukrainians so they got new ones, they did not have to train. They also got a lot of PT-91 tanks - one could say such a t-72 on steroids. Plus KRAB cannon howitzers - some of the most modern in Europe, along with Fly Eye jammer-proof drones. Plus a lot of infantry vehicles. Lots of GROT rifles, bullets, etc. And Germany at the beginning of the war showed the middle finger to its ally the US because it only wanted to send 5000 helmets.
Not enough people are talking about Germany's role in this invasion. Germany has for many years been the biggest contributor to all the problems in Ukraine by making Russia rich and not spending adequately on defense. Shame on you Germany.
@@FrankStein-y1r plenty of people tell you, there are academics, journalists and politicians working to produce quality information for you, you don't consume it because you choose not to.
The amount of lies, propaganda and missinformation coming out of the Western MSM controlled by Washington is mindboggling. Even by its poor standards. And of course, any other media not parroting the official line has been banned by the freedom lovers. Still, no amount of propaganda or NAFO trolls can hide the reality on the ground any longer.
Grinding those grooves into those barrels can only be done by hand? Yeah, not buying that at all. Pop it into a CNC machine and save yourself the labor.
Noticed a few misinformation moments, the barrel grooves were turned on a lathe, person is using a small handheld angle grinder for deburring,, whether by accident or design many of these videos are quite questionable as to accuracy
@@edzimdahl1158 It makes sense and it happens all the time in these documentaries. It's a bunch of journalists going to a factory to film, interview and take notes during a tour. They aren't technical people and once they have to write a whole script and edit a documentary based on their notes and what they filmed, it's easy for a mistake or two to slip in. I have a friend who is a journalist and the articles he has to write based on his qualifications are rather shocking. He had to write an article on why Ukrainian air defences held up and managed to deny the airspace to Russians, but he had no concept of SEAD, didn't know anti-radiation missiles were a thing and much more. I was there to help but I'm just a bit of a hobbyist, and he isn't given the time to go dig for some military expect and get a full interview either. Since then I've been a bit more lenient on journalistic mistakes, it's not that easy.
@@davidglenn2739 America is the country of We Americans from sea to shining sea. The United States is the rogue nation occupying and oppressing America; And much of the rest of the world.
To the rest of the world outside the US, "America" and "The United States" mean the same thing. We use "The Americas" (plural) to refer to the parts beyond the US.
@@Berkeloid0 Yes, I know. And I understand why. However, I try where I can to differentiate the two. America really is under occupation. Don’t feel sorry for, but do try to understand.
@@k.chriscaldwell4141 Then why aren't you calling Mexico "United Mexican States". Why aren't you calling France the "French republic" or "République Française"? Why aren't you calling Germany "The Federal Republic of Germany" or "Bundesrepublik Deutschland"? Same applies to many other countries. Or do you just have a problem with America?
They should learn to live healthy and not require expensive hospitals and medication. Their problems are self-inflicted. I'm 60 and have never spent a night in a hospital, have average blood pressure and maintain my weight with diet and exercise. Everyone can do what I do and be in good health.
@@dontchaseanyone Arrogant for suggesting people should quit eating at Chick fil a 3X a week, or gorging themselves on Pizza and McDonalds and wonder why they have bad hearts or Diabetes? Yea, I don't feel sorry for them or the drug addicts on the street living homeless. It's their fault.. Not mine, not yours, not the US Government.
watching this made me miss the show 'How Its Made'
It reminded me of the who planned it books, Henry Ford funded.
As soon as I saw Sam Fellman, I knew this vid was a crock of shit
@@squidwardo7074 Hey what a coincidence as that's exactly what I thought about your comment after reading your name
IIRC there was an episode about how artillery shells are made.
rick & morty
The ATACMs sent were past their use by date. There has even been a relatively high failure rate with these missiles. If these missiles were not given to Ukraine it would have cost millions to decommission these missile. Giving these missiles to Ukraine should be listed as a cost savings not a cost.
Exactly. Same in the uk people where annoyed we gave old storm shadows even tho them ones where set to get decommissioned early 2025. Better to use them instead of letting them become useless
@@HaydenS2024 Yea give me a break on that. Degrading your stockpile is a cost no matter how you count it.
@@muhcharona Of missiles that were likely to fail due to their age or were about to be decommissioned and destroyed anyways due to their age.
@@muhcharona what about the hundreds of decomissioned F-16s, F-15s, and A-10s in the Arizona dessert that have sat untouched for years?
@@muhcharonabit random but according to the 3rd principle of economics nor you nor anyone with your way of thinking is a rational person.
US didn't give a single jet. Denmark, Norway and Netherlands did.
I seem to remember f16s just being delivered by the US. Read a book
@@Ganderbin And your point is? We bought and paied for them. US didnt build them General Dynamics did, but still irellevant as they are ours, and we gave them to Ukraine.
the US needs all its older jets for a pacific conflict, unironically because its big profits in F35 but limited numbers. If the US loses the Island in asia and its chips its all over, no superpower advantage
@@gandalf1124 The European F-16's weren't even built by General Dynamics. They were built by the Dutch company Fokker in Schiphol-Oost, The Netherlands; and by the Belgian company SABCA in Gosselies, Beligum. The European F-16s are just licensed designs, but funded, built, and maintained in Europe by Europeans.
@@gandalf1124 general dynamics is an American company.
Title of the videos should be "How to fuel Military Industrial Complex"
YES!
The intro showed F-16s as the voice over says the US sent "air support" which suggests that the US sent them, but NO! The F-16s were sent by European countries.
Yeah the US only gave 10x all the combined aid from every other country. such lazy cowards. US should be ashamed
Also they showed FPVs when they said USA donated drones. The Drones they donated aren't kamikaze fpv's but more like the reaper, switchblade etc.
@@FinUgShiet switchblades ARE exactly that but they are still relatively cheap to produce and pretty effective
@@FinUgShiet The bottom line is that this video is really MAGA propaganda intended to push their misguided narrative which is indirectly dictated from Putin. They hide their true intentions behind names that seem neutral, but are anything but.
With American approval, yes. And I suspect with more upgrades than announced.
Munitions have a shelf life. 20 years for heavy equipment (missiles, artillery) usually, 10 to 15 for most infantry-based munitions (manpads, anti tank rockets etc). Weapons are "use it or lose it". When munitions in the US army reach end of life, they are expended in training exercises anyway. Over 70% of the munitions sent to Ukraine is 10 to 20 years old already and was near end of life and would've been fired off in training exercises anyway. Also, the manufacture of fresh munitions / weapons is a DIRECT investment in the US economy as it employes countless thousands of AMERICANS. That money is NOT LEAVING the US, it is going directly back into it.
Plus they're selling it right?
Not for free
Thats if they're not stored properly they can last indefinitely if stored properly
@@rickycoverrubias6176 Nope, too risky. Use-by dates protect your warfighters' lives. Faulty munitions are as bad as 'friendly fire'.
@@rickycoverrubias6176 That is 100% FALSE. Munitions do NOT last indefinitely. The US' Minute Man nuclear warheads for example only last 30 years before the chemical components degrade and are rendered useless, most are in fact expiring within the next few years and is why the US is trying to budget for replacement nukes. Patriot missiles only last 18 years before going inert and needing replacement. Only small arms munitions (7.62, 5.56, 9mm etc) are generally considered to have indefinite lfiespans if stored properly. But artillery, rockets, missiles, etc, ALL of those will and do expire.
One problem with that argument .. half of the munitions we have been sending are not "end of life"... The javelin for example?
Hey Business Insider, you need to do a video about how the accounting behind this works. The U.S. has been valuing systems like M113s (1950s era APCs that we retired in the 80s) at more than $500,000 apiece. When they're sold for scrap they're sold for about $200 apiece (still running). A lot of the ammo we have sent was near the end of its shelf life and it would have cost us more to dispose of than it cost us to send to Ukraine. So $175billion is a hugely inflated number.
@@TomatoFettuccini Only $107 billion of that $175 figure goes directly to Ukraine. ($69.8 in weaponry, 34.2 in budgetary aid and 2.9 in Humanitarian aid). Most of the rest of the funds went to other US activities that support the Ukrainians.
Russia is a huge country, infact a continent----have you any idea what it would take to defend it. There are 13,000 T64s , 5,500+ T-80s, 25,000 T-72s , 4,000+ T-9os around the globe; guess how many are in Russian strategic storage's and reserves...
They're probably using the cost of the equipment when new and the cost of replacing old munitions with new production. So we'd have spend most of this money anyway, but the equipment is being sent to Ukraine to be used rather than a scrapper to be recycled.
@@willythemailboy2 How many man hours are needed to build an Abrams from scratch...??!
@@pk3778 A lot, but we haven't built any new ones from scratch for probably 20 years. Instead when we want to upgrade we take older ones out of storage, disassemble them and rebuild them with upgrades. The upgraded version goes into service and the older ones go into storage until it's their turn to be upgraded. Unlike Russian tanks, it's so hard to kill an Abrams that very few of them have been destroyed beyond repair in the last 30 years that we don't really need to make completely new ones any more.
Hehe, that 🇩🇪 Leopard 2 was actually a 🇩🇪 Leopard 1 😂
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Couple clarifications, the US has not promised one single aircraft to Ukraine, we gave permission for others to donate US made aircraft. Second clarification, with all kinds of things from Bradley IFV's to artillery shells the Pentagon typically ships them old 15-20 year old items or older from mothball storage but it does not charge the aid package the cost of that item twenty years ago or the depreciated cost either, it charges the aid package to Ukraine the FULL cost of a brand NEW Bradley (using the Bradley as an example) the Pentagon then ships Ukraine the twenty year old mothballed Bradley and uses the money from the aid package to buy a brand new Bradley for US forces. A lot of people do not know this and assume we are just giving them stuff like many other countries but the US is using the Ukraine aid package for a significant US military buildup or rather modernization replacing old with new.
Pretty much EVERYBODY already knows this. But do you seriously believe that the EU countries are not rotating their stock as well? And do you seriously believe that replenishing stock for items sent to Ukraine are not counted by the EU countries as well? And do you seriously believe that the other countries are not using this to buildup or modernize their military as well?
I’m pretty sure that was what Poland and Romania did as well.
Poland gave Ukraine all of their old tanks, while they purchased new tanks from the USA, South Korea and Germany.
Romania had a bunch of old artillery guns from the 1960s, that were given to Ukraine “for free” since they no longer had any use of such obsolete guns.
@@bigdog8008 Pretty much those who listen to fox news and conservatives do not know this. They are being told lies that we are handing mountains of money and weapons to Ukraine and that its all being stolen by the Ukraine government. There is so much disinformation in our country. The republicans lie all the time and have convinced half the country this is what is happening. Sadly republican voters are praising putin and pushing our government to leave ukraine to die. We have so many traitors in our country it is incredible. Thankfully democrats realize russia is one of the biggest threats to the entire world, and continue to uphold our agreements with our allies. Russia will not win as long as we can keep trump out of office. trump will bend over backwards for his master putin.
All the countries are also sending Surplus stuff/older stuff ,nobody is sending band new anything to Ukraine. Nobody wants to Disarm themselves or weaken themselves for Ukraine.
Like everything Bidet gave to Afghanistan?
When it comes to war, countries have unlimited money. But when it comes to eradicating hunger and poverty, countries have no money.
Facts
To exist, a country must be able to resist enemies, its not a choice. If you give more money to the poor, it will only increase prices.
Yeah provide your cheap virtue, ever took 2 minutes to understand how could a country have Money to spend to eradicate poverty while they are being bombarded with missiles and artillery?
Tell that to Putin
War is a business money invested gets u increase in employment
In addition, warfare is evolving. We’re not paying with American lives to see this kind of warfare evolve into drone warfare.
So insensitive this are lives of Human being shed and you think is just an experiment.
You're paying with homelessness
@@mainasaradanfuloti9162 go tell that to Putin friend. The world is making the most they can out of and opportunity, an opportunity caused by him.
@@mainasaradanfuloti9162 muricans made this all their lives, two world wars, vietnam, iraq, afeganistan, balkan wars, etc...
Had more arms been given initially it wouldn't have come to the drone warfare evolution stage. A lot of care has been taken to not hit Russia so hard they withdraws from the conflict, but continues to burn down its stockpile of weapons.
And still cannot defeat Russia.
I think they can given the green light
@@SteveDelacruz-t6o Literally impossible.
@optiontotryit nothing is impossible
if you decide to show the french Cesar cannon multiple times, at least give its name and his origin, don't pretend it's a US made weapon !
That was from the 155 segment. Interoperability from the munitions. No big deal.
French stole it from america
French flag: 🏳️
French Ceasar Canon, Best in the World, can shoot and scoot further than any other art that can shoot and scoot
@@samdumaquis2033 What about the German SPG? Isn't that considered the best?
When you hear them saying that they "gave" Ukraine billions of $, no they didn't. That money went straight back into the military sector in the USA and then the weapons and ammo from that was delivered to Ukraine.
Not completely true: because of total mobilization Ukraine can't sustain itself so the US and allies have to give Ukraine something or its economy will just collapse.
@@АлександрМолния2 Yes, but Europ, Germany, paid for it. And the money went to the US! So the US is just their military industry. Business as usual!
Yes they did, US is funding the operational costs of Ukraine such as paying public employees and other state-related functions.
If I give you a used car worth 10K, I just gave you 10k worth of aid. Whether I turn around and buy myself a new car or not, that doesn't change the fact that I gave you that amount of value.
How dumb are you?
The Ukrainian 155mm Bohdana howitzer may take half a year to produce an individual unit, but have you ever seen an arms factory were they were working on just one tank at a time? Ukraine produces 6 Bohdana per month and they have a range of 30-40km depending on the round (no-frills $300 round or $3000 ERBB). The US provided 200 M777 which was very generous, sadly since they're stationary (no shoot-and-scoot) and the US removed the FCS which was too valuable to fall into Russian hands, the range was reduced to 24km with standard rounds and most M777 (and worse: their US trained crews) have been destroyed at this point. Though they provided Ukraine with some massive jolt in firepower at a critical point in the conflict.
Two points I'd like to make:
- I'd divide the donated weapons in 3 groups:
1.High-tech weapons produced specifically for Ukraine: HIMARS, MIM-104 Patriot, Javelins, M30/31 and ATACMS missiles, GLSDB, JDAM and the significant costs incurred by keeping AWACS and MALE surveillance drones in the air day and night, and analyzing that intel - upside for the US: if you look at this like it was a fire drill for a direct conflict with a near-peer adversary, it's identified some weakpoints that would not have been adressed otherwise. Like: insufficient stockpiles combined with lackluster production capabilities for certain systems in case of a protracted conflict - and the dire need to finally decide on a new long-range (80km) self-propeller howitzer. Another upside, primarily during the first year of the war, is that the army did actually save money by sending ammunition nearing the end of it's shelf life to Ukraine, saving on disposal costs. As for the cost of 10,000 Javelins - "over $200,000" per system is what foreign customers might pay. The US Army pays less than $100,000 if I'm not mistaken. And all those costs not only get injected directly into the US economy, there have been numerous anouncements from the defense sector that they will increase monthly production of X, meaning either extra shifts and/or extra production lines and/or new plants, all of which means extra manufacturing and R&D jobs in the defense sector - with a Democrat in the White House. Besides, not only has the US provided less Patriots than Germany, European countries are literally standing in line to buy MIM-104 Patriot batteries, F-35, HIMARS, Apaches, stockpiles of weapons for the F35, PAC-2/PAC-3 for the Patriots. The first thing the Bundeswehr ordered once the €100 billion check cleared was 60 of the CH-47F Chinooks and shortly thereafter 35 F-35A to stay in the NATO nuclear sharing program. The 3 MIM-104 Patriot batteries donated to Ukraine were matched by an order for 4 brand-new batteries from the US.
2. Mothballed weapon systems like the M2 Bradley. Surprisingly the Bradley has outperformed all other foreign IFVs and MBTs, at least that's my perception. Some of them you could argue are strategic stockpiles for a protracted conflict as well, but so far merely 62 Abrams and 400 something Bradleys have been sent. And it's not like the others were being sold off like hotcakes, they were just gathering dust in the Arizona desert - so what cost was incurred to the American taxpayer? Some of the other stuff makes me think: "My, they really could have thrown in an LCS or two with those 1,000 (!) MaxxPro". Upside: As with the MaxxPro, some systems mostly built for Afghanistan to quickly fix one specific issue might not be too painfull to get rid of - and if they're coming from active stock (presidential draw-down) the units that were robbed of their majestic MaxxPros get the chance to procure more versatile, modern systems.
3. Completely outdated weapon systems: included in those $175 billion are such treasures as the M113 - or 1980s soviet transport helicopters meant originally for the (very) short-lived Afghan goverment post-withdrawal of Coalition Forces.
Finally: Europe has paid a heck of a lot more. Germany alone had to shoulder costs of $200 billion to get through the first winter without Russian gas, having to buy whatever was available at spot prices inflated up to 400% - convenient for gas producers like the US. Then there's also the detail that the EU is paying each year for over 5 million refugees. Depending on the benefits granted, that can incur significant costs as well. Germany alone provides shelter to ~1.x million Ukrainian refugees at a cost of over $12,000 per person per annum. So this used to be $12 billion year in, year out.
TL;DR: US military aid to Ukraine is crucial. I don't mind if the US don't send a nickel in cash, but Europe unfortunately didn't build stockpiles of weapons to send to Ukraine. We'll pay their soldiers, their firemen, police and other public servants. We'll help with pensions and basic training. But when it comes to sending weapons, like NOW, nobody can replace America.
dayum
Bla bla bla bla and the Russians are still advancing. And Ukraine will NEVER get its lost territory back
You are mostly right except for the last statement. Western allies' financial aid is strictly forbidden to be spent for defense purposes, so no soldiers were paid with your help. But we are grateful for all other aid like school teachers' salaries and some (most of?) other social spending.
Absolutely agree! Your analysis is way better than of these "journalists"
Excellent analysis!
i knew you guys didn intend ill intent, but at this point saying that ukraine recived 175 billions, with how much people are stupid, is negligence.
well it's republican thinking, it's sad and untrue
@@jackjacky8105Yes that is an issue in my party. That is why I appreciate the speaker of the house Mike Johnson. He seems like an honest man.
Billions spent on other countries while America is over 100 trillion in debt.
@@logbuzz nice one einstein.
@@RaHorakthi33Dude is such an idiot😭
The ending of the video, where they say that the USA has given Ukraine one Patriot battery, that on the defence summit it was promised to send four more and that Ukraine has said that they need seven. As they leave out any mention of the support other countries have provided this implies that Ukraine only has one Patriot battery.
One big hangup is permission. US controls those US made Patriot batteries by "Negation." They can only be transferred by the countries that use them when the U.S. approves it. That makes reporting numbers a little tricky unless you explain the whole backstory. All the Patriot batteries in Ukraine are there with U.S. permission.
@@donaldg.freeman2804 but owned and paid for by somebody else.
@@treborsirrah7916 With American approval. So, the counting is tricky. They will get what they need eventually.
@@treborsirrah7916 same for romania
They have 2 full batteries now and 1 more on the way. The US sent 1 and is sending another while Germany also sent one and is readying another to send
One, for pricing must remember that the U.S. Air Force spent $10,000 on each new toilet seat cover for the C-17 cargo plane. Two, when munitions in the U.S. Army reach the end of their service life, it's often more cost-effective to give them away rather than dispose of them.
C-17 seat covers when in production were closer to $2000, which is similar to most airlines. They need to build tooling again to produce a very short run. 250,000 in tooling for 50 seats. Makes perfect sense to anyone who knows production.
Your second point stands.
@@Sojourner-Life Thank you! I'm pretty tired of people saying stuff like "Bruh, they billed 40000 for a hammer!'.
You don't understand the inflated prices covers the huge multi hundred billion intelligence agencies black budgets. Nobody know what cia or Dia or nsa gets per year....
So all you left in afganistan was good planning right ? xDDD what a joke..
@@Sojourner-Life
How about they just put the tooling on the shelf rather than build new
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as other commenters have pointed out, another factor worth noting when estimating the price of aid is the fact that items in it are counted by their procurement cost (aka the price it would cost to buy a new one). This means that even if the piece was payed for decades ago it will be counted as if the DOD bought a new one and then sent it to Ukraine.
Well, they would NOT BE BUYING a new F-16 They have stopped making them replacing them with F-35. F-16 started production 1972, 4600 were built
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Without the best intel directly from Ukraine the US will have no idea about the new ways of warfare, the details on how drones are used to change the battlefield. If the support to Ukraine is the price, it is very cheap. After all 100 BN dollars over 3 years compared to the 2800 BN dollars of the US military budget in the same period shows how cheap this absolutely decisive intel comes to the US.
It is not big deal to us becuse they have some one to buy weapons and takes tax and support Ukraine and country who printed billions of dollars with out punishment
Hey America, remember about Poland:
80x PT91 Twardy tank, 300 (all used in Poland) T-72 tanks, 10 x MIG29, Piorun manpads, Warmate drones, 155mm KRAB howitzers, 120 mm RAK mortars, 14x Leopard tank, 10x Mi-24. Dont forget about supply from Great Britain.
Это повод для гордости ?
this media is not american one... u can realise that after reading comment above
all this and more just to still lose lol
and they all got destroyed in Ukraine
@@Jakubescu The storm shadow designed and built in Europe certainly got destroyed when it accidentally flew into the Seym Bridge. The bridge appears not to have come out well.
Military men are not cowards
31 old M1A1 Abrams were delivered to Ukraine.
Western allies have provided more than 120 tanks alone.
The U.S. Army has some 3,450 M1A1 and M1A2 in storage.
keyword: old m1a1 abrams
i dont think sending state of the art (i am not saying theyre better than anything else) to your enemy is a good idea
@@himalayansaltlamp9370 indeed. this "news agency" operates from austria
@@himalayansaltlamp9370 The Abrams tanks Ukraine got are so subpar that they are putting on Russian Kontakt-1 reactive armor for them to have a chance in combat.
@@himalayansaltlamp9370 Both new and old Abrams burn equally well from a cheap FPV drone.
Major mistake at 8:39, the Abrams that Ukraine received does not use the 105mm M68, the 105mm are only available on very early Abrams in the 80s, it uses the new 120mm M256, can't believe a big outlet like Insider would make this mistake.
I've read that America is sending Ukraine a stripped down version of the Abrams in case it's captured by the Russians. This is to guard their latest tech.
I can. This is Western media after all, they are allergic to facts.
Good job changing the title after realizing from the comments that the $100B was misleading
As long as Dow Chemical👍🏼 company stock is up don't worry about it... 🌎💘💰
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No war no profit.
4:00 they bend the barrel? That blew my mind.
Why? They make it straight! You do that with anything metal you need to straighten!
@@KulKlas Agreed, Ya but that's some severe bending.
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This has been money well spent. It's important to note it's been a re-outfitting of US forces with top of the line equipment with their hand-me-down (yet still excellent) equipment going to Ukraine
What a time to be a defensive contractor
Excellent information 😊 Slava Ukraine.
Money for the war, no money for the homeless and unemployed citizens.
What have you done for the homeless
And you do realize that we didn't give Ukraine a check! We gave them weapons that costed that much. Wow!!!
One more thing! You say unemployed Americans. Question? Did those Americans in the video making weapons look unemployed?
Einstein , this is less than 5 % of the Pentagon budget.
what an idiotic take...
I cant believe he actually memed and called it cope cage 😂
That is what they are actually called though
War is a waste of resources. The most important one being human lives.
MAKE ME KING OF AMERICA.
@8:12 a lot of people don't realize that the money we're spending is going into building infrastructure here in U.S. that will benefit the U.S. in the future. These items are priced at high dollar, but we're producing them for a fraction of that. So, while it seems like we're sending over $175 billion, it's actually much less than that, with a large percentage of the money being invested into factories and equipment here at home. We're literally sending our old stockpiles and then replacing them with new ones. This not only replenishes our ammunitions but it provides jobs for people in the U.S. as well.
It is truly shameful at how little the US has increased its capacity. Doubling the peacetime production volume over 2+ years?!?!? As a tiny token effort, they should have increased capacity ten-fold. The need for shells increased by 300-fold over peacetime requirements and we did next to nothing to meet their need. Completely embarrassing.
Well when you put in a 0.003% GDP per year you are not even giving close to a 1% effort. The US has not even dipped a fraction of a fraction of s toe in this conflict.
It's going to hit 100k a month by end of 25. Still slow but at least it's in the pipeline
Not easy to increase.
Shells was not USA strength.
However the total of western shell production will match russian in 2025.
Shameful ? Our Medical Monster is shameful it rips off customers , our military industry make profits in the billions every year .
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This was a really informative episode and I learned a lot!
It is important to mention the amount of time that we’ve been sitting on these weapons and vehicles waiting for politicians to stop dragging feet though.
This content would likely be part of a broader discussion or series examining the intersection of business, geopolitics, and defense in the context of the Ukraine conflict, highlighting the critical role that U.S. weapons manufacturing plays in global security dynamics.
America never sent F-16s
Good.
We have the countries f-16s
So which country sent them?
@@isaac-vb1ng Denmark & Netherlands - combined they have less inhabitants than Texas
@@BarryMcCockiner-em5sv This is not good, the US is one of the countries that has taken on security guarantees for Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine giving russia its nuclear weapons and their carriers.
Title is misleading. Video is in parts wrong.
ukraine propaganda always goes like that
We sent that money in the form of value in weapons.
We sent them old weapons that will be replaced with the 2024 edition.
We are selling/giving our old stock to be used in Ukraine so that if we do need to use our own, it will be the most up to date version.
We are also sending that value in the form of training and intelligence.
This also allows our economy to start transitioning to a more "wartime economy" gradually instead of all at once.
ALSO we get to see how our tech stacks up against our adversaries tech and make adjustments to our new equipment. The titles makes it seem like we wrote a check for $175B. True we did give financial aid, but most of the aid came in the form of outdated arms. (most likely our old stock from 2000-2020 wars).
Incorrect
The US is literally sending Cash to Ukraine. The US is paying for the entire Ukranian government and all its 1.7 Million employees that include the military.
According to US Senator Tuberville the US has given Ukraine around 360 Billion dollars
@@spartacusreview And there is no way a US senator would ever lie, right? Back in reality what's actually happening is the US is dumping mostly old military stock and the accountants are using the original sticker prices to pad the numbers for their politician bosses. Yes the US is also sending cash (though not nearly as much as the EU), with it's still nowhere near 360 billion. And even then, destroying Russia through this proxy war, preventing a second Cold War and interference when dealing with China, is the most 'bang-for-a-buck' efficient the Pentagon has ever been in its entire history. So quit your whining, spending money to police the world is the inevitable cost for reaping the insane benefits for being the world's unchallenged superpower.
@@spartacusreview Western allies' financial aid is strictly forbidden to be spent for defense purposes. Indeed, school teachers' salaries and social things like that were covered by Western financial aid.
Dont forget to mention one important detail. These weapon systems we are sending over are already PAID FOR years and years ago when they were manufactured.
Well since we are depleting our stocks we better hope we dont get into a scuffle with china any time soon. Bc who is gonna send USA support or weapons.. Europe is already saying if we stop supporting Ukraine and russia takes Ukraine it's our fault. Like I said in another comment we must be stupid to think a whole continent of wealthy countries that claim Russia will keep going past Ukraine so in theory they could be at risk, but still cant manage to supply what they demand we supply.. and one other thing, I dont think it's really the fact that we are sending aid to Ukraine, because its not like if they were sending money it wouldn't get spent on what we think it should be spent on anyways.. the issue is this government seems to only care about helping other countries or other countries people, like all the illegals that are here getting help but hell no Americans must not deserve it.... that's the problem and idk how that could be argued against. It's a fact its happening and anyone that cares would say it's wrong
16:24 I just can't get over how Business Insider keeps framing costs. A switchblade is just under twice the price of a 155mm artillery round but can achieve the same effects with less expended munitions compared to a fire mission with a 155mm round. Literally every single cost metric shown in videos like this are intended to leave the viewer with a negative opinion based on cost alone.
Thank you America for helping Europe in the fight against the infamous dictator Putin, and supporting the Ukrainians. Greetings from Switzerland.
White Christian Russia fighting against white Christian Ukraine USA EU.
And the brown Islam muslims are laughing😂
This made it sound like the U.S. is “supplying” F-16s. After the U.S. finally granted permission, other countries are supplying the eighty five F-16s.
The U.S. has been helping with training though and hopefully it will supply ammunition for the F16s.
Actually, he did not make it sound like the US is supplying them. He very specifically stated that EU countries were providing them.
If EU and USA had supplied Ukraine properly from the start instead of being so slow and drip feeding supplies then Russia would not have had time to regroup and adapt - and the war may have been over by now. The Ukraine war has shattered my trust in NATO and the EU as 'defence' organisations
you're an absolute dumbo if you think for a split second that Russia would have ever been "defeated" without a full scale nuclear assault. And we shouldn't have been funding anything in the first place; the reason Russia invaded was because NATO was stockpiling weapons and testing them on russia's border, which is a direct violation of multiple treaties. the west is absolutely the aggressor here, and the whole point was to drag the west into another endless war that they can use to their advantage.
They fight for freedom and independence god bless US for support for Ukraine.
Yet I, a veteran who was recently laid off am fighting to get my unemployment.
Ukraine is looking for people with military training.
@@buddy1155 Rofl, I'll pass
@@tb7771 if you refuse jobs you don't deserve unemployment. Ukraine is hiring.
... And so is russia, if you're one of those commie loving conservative traitors.
Mostly second hand arms ,most of the money went to the arms industry in America to restock
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0:09 The first four years in Afghanistan, there were hardly any troops there. Bush et al. were amassing more than 100,000 troops along the Iraqi border with Kuwait when there was less than 10,000 in Afghanistan. Probably a big reason Afghanistan was lost. The end totals on those two wars was measured in trillions of $$$, not billions.
Afghanistan had 100k soldiers in it but later in the war.
The force that us could use is immense
The side in a war that can produce the most weapons will always WIN.
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Makes you question WWII, don't it?
@@Willy_Tepes 7,377 Lancaster heavy bombers were built. 20,341 Spitfires were built and 14,483 Hurricanes aircraft in WW2 and then there was the USA The B-24 Liberator was a powerful symbol of US industrial might, with more than 18,000 produced by the war's end etc etc
No that is not correct, not given modern weapons. The Uke thing is insanity.
@@AuroraColoradoUSA Like in WW2 we fought Hitler and today we are helping Ukraine to fight another 21st century Hitler - Putin who attacked another country just as Hitler did 85 years ago
31 Abrams tanks?! What a fricking joke.
forreal it’s same as giving 2 tanks impact wise
Reporter: "The tank remains the apex predator"
The Ukraine War: Literally disproving the value of heavy armour every single week. In fact, the only major armoured assault the Ukrainians made got wrecked by artillery and mines. The Russia armoured advance got picked apart by drones and MANPADS. The one thing this war has definitively proven - the tank is no longer top dog.
Hell - this is even a war that doesn't have major air power activity - imagine if it did! Tanks would be blasted the moment they hit the road.
Agree, the US has 15,000 older Abrams in storage. US could easily give those to Ukraine.
@@TalleyrandsPuppet Cite a source or you are just full of sh*t.
And more than half have been destroyed.
and M1 abrams you say a 105mm rifled gun? geeeeez, do you get you intel from the early 80's?
Great job
When you think Vietnam cost America 1.4 TRILLION.
In 1960s dollars.
2 wars in Iraq and the longest war in US history in Afghanistan cost plenty more trillions
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And those weren’t real wars.
@@cmdmd yes they were
@@baconatoromg6062
Not at all. Costly operations. I but a war is FAR more costly in money, materiel and manpower.
One thing I’ve learned from watching the Ukraine war is that I think tanks are becoming obsolete in the 21st century. I could be proven wrong, but watching cheaper drones take out tanks like they are nothing made me believe I don’t want to be in a tank. Air forces have always been more powerful than ground forces, and as those air forces become more advanced, the ground forces will become more obsolete.
no, the combined arms principle are still valid and if you lack one of the components you´ll suffer for it. Though one could argue that in the combined arms - lets call it a pie chart of usefulness - each old component got less important with the introduction ( or rather first actual implementation ) of drone technologies and top-attack missile systems like javelin. An obsolete tank is obsolete because it can´t deal with the modern battlefield and gets too easily destroyed, its not that tanks ( with their massive line of sight firepower ) are obsolete as system, it just has shown that the bulk of the current tank forces of the world are still in the 90ties of the last century. But thats nothing new, most wars have been fought with the - updated or not - technology of the last war and the longer the war is going on the harder the lessons are to be learned.
Ground forces are less than air power? If you have nowhere to take off or land, you're SOL. Also, the US has been bombing the crap out of like 14 nations for the last decade. They haven't surrendered yet...
Air forces are also vulnerable--neither Russia nor Ukraine can overfly the others' territory safely. They only do so with unmanned aircraft which are disposable so if you lose half of them it's an acceptable loss.
I agree, switching to cheaper and lighter tanks seems to be the move.
They thout tanks were obsolete since ww1 to now and again and again its proven that isnt the case tanks are importent to concur land and keep it
Y’all know 20 years ago was 2000, not 1980. Old weapons are still modern weapons. We still drive the same Hummvs from 20 years ago
Do you know the failure rate of this old stuff? Would you like to go to war and find that the equipment you rely on doesn't work and if it does is ineffective.
@@grantadamson3478 that’s exactly what happens in the army right now 😭
@@grantadamson3478still much better than none
a very good video
Those drones are terrifying
I think the switchblade drones are more terrifying then the ones that drop a frag grenades or whatever they attach to it. Drone literally cruises in the air for 20 mins until it spots an enemy and immediately turns into a suicide bomb
These drone operators are the Eagles of the air & the rusks are the hares ! ! !
Its just the good old American military industrial complex, nothing surprising here
Great reporting
80% of money returned to USA as taxes and investments
Proof?
@@apollo9261 Lol. What proof do you need? USA sends production of Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrup Grumman, L3Harris and a lot of other companies. It's new working places, salaries, taxes
More like Arms manufacturing companies are collecting the cash. Certainly not Americans
Did Biden tell you that one? 😂 America has sent over 120 billion to Ukraine since 2014. I really doubt any of that money "came back" to the U.S. Zelenskyy is quietly buying plenty of homes all over Europe, so there's that.
Imagine we would fight climate change the way we are fighting ourselves as mankind…
imagine that just like Russia is fighting Ukraine on the battlefield, Russia is also waging an online disinformation battle against clean energy like wind and solar, and giving tacit support to politics (like republicans) that are anti-environmental protections and pro-fossil fuel, because Russia's economy is dominated by oil and they do not have the silicon technical capabilities or capacity to provide solar PV products or EV cars. They are inextricably tied together. Support Trump, and he will both undermine the ukraine warfront and simultaneously pull everything thread of progress in our clean energy economy.
As it said in the Bible, there will always be wars and rumors of wars, man will always have issues with other nationalities of man. However, there is no 'fighting' so-called 'climate change', which is a made up name for a money pit for the guv'met. This earth is a huge planet that has it's own system that repairs itself constantly, albeit in time that seems to be to slow for activists. Look at Nature's one highly powerful destroyers, the volcano, which when erupts in a very large explosion. After several years the evidence of it is all but gone to a few indicators, like, where is the big ash cloud that covered miles of the land downwind of it now? Wind movements dispersed them just as it disperses 'pollution' that is so hyped up. In all my 78 years in Oklahoma, I have never seen the pollution that activists keep harping about in my area. We have more evidence left over from tornadoes than any kind of pollution from cars, it's just more guv'met control and funds given to them from the 'rules and regs' set up from it to meet their demands.
So assuming that we could even change the climate of a planet that has been here billions and billions of years before us, you'd want to risk doing something that's not reversable in case it doesn't work out and keep in mind you are talking about only one continent on the planet out of many? I agree that these efforts are dumb but the U.S isn't the only land mass on the planet for us to try to do something about climate change.
REMINDER: Lives of Ukrainians and Russians are the capital invested in this boost of production, employment and well-being of all stakeholders.
@tubebreguet Stop being so edgy and go outside sometime. I promise, sunlight is good for you!
@@demaciasolos Your most recent revelation? Congrats!
Of course they do, this is why the US started this conflict and are prolonging it.
Good thing we all love increasing shareholder value
endless debt for the public
massive profits for the elites
US: The tank is perfectly manufactured and tested before use.
Russia: Dimitri, remind me where we put the T34s?
Very funny.
when your 200k rocket gets outcompeted by a $500 drone
You see how happy those people look in video. They love war for sure.
please can you include metric measurements always, it only need to be in text format.
Imagine if humans used their brains to be happy instead of destroying each other
Yeah... too bad Putin had to be this way.
@Fuzzybanerizer too bad fuzzy should obsess with others
@@outofturn331 I can't help it... I just naturally obsess with the guy who is actually causing all the problems.
Please continue helping Ucrania💯
US weapons have performed extremely poorly when factoring in the expense of production. Why are we overspending on these weapons that go toe-in-toe with cheap rivals?
And Russia's Black Sea Fleet performed so well...
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@@efeddwdw9782 EU or NA UA loving bot or a piggy bot
@@efeddwdw9782 no, I'm not. just a person using common sense.
@@sebastian-sec Want to expand on that then, and share your expansive knowledge of American weapons on the battlefields of Ukraine?
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦 from 🇦🇺 🙂
Left out a lot of gotchas in regards to artillery ammunition production. First the shells are filled with IMX (insensitive munitions explosive), not TNT. The USA no longer has an operational TNT factory. The USA plans to increase production of 155mm ammunition to 100,000 shells per month in 2025. This would require approximately 46 million pounds of IMX production per year. IMX was produced at a rate of 5 million pounds/year at the start of the war. The delayed "aid to Ukraine" also delayed increasing production of IMX (plant expansion) to 13 million pounds per year. To make up the shortfall (46 - 13 = 33 million pounds) the same aid also will restart TNT production at the rate of 5 million pounds/year. The other 28 million pounds is being sourced from Poland, India, and others (not publicly available). Next up, the propellant to actually fire the filled shells is no longer manufactured in the USA. Honestly, we need more spending to increase production IN THE USA. We don't need politicians delaying the funding.
*!!!!*
Germany produces 283,000 new cars in 1 month and the USA even 841,000
Why can't the US make at least that many artillery bullets?
Because cars are sold on the civilian market which is made up of millions of people. Shells are only sold to armed forces.
ukraine does not pay for the ammo
Hypocrit
So many factual errors in this video. The prices are completely overblown. No F16 were sent. America has committed significantly less than 175 billion USD as sown by the Kiel Institute Arms support tracker.
The F-16s are literally in Ukraine for over a week now my man, we have seen lots of pics with Ukrainian insignias.
They made lots of small mistakes (like saying the M1A1 sen to Ukraine uses a 105mm gun) and those representatives were spewing pure propaganda.
But overall this wasn't that bad of an article for what the current standards are for press.
@@morgus9892 Yes Ukraine has received F16. But not from the USA. They received them from Denmark and the Netherlands, and they purchased them from the USA many years ago. So they are also quite old F16 models, not financed by US taxpayers.
Nice work !! Great production value. Spot on narration.
Unused and discontinued inventory has what value?
$100 Billion over 2.5 years is what percentage of an GDP of $60 Trillion over 2.5 years?
.0016%?
Your point?
Exactly, it has e.g. in cases of very old stuff ... M113 comes to mind ... only scrap value if you don´t manage to sell it to someone as an - barely usable - APC. So to be honest the scap values and the negative value/cost to get rid of a weapon or ammo near or beyond its shelf life should be used in many cases instead of a fantasy "second hand" value ... but the numbers look more fancy if they don´t ( sad thing is most people don´t understand that and think "mah tax mony uhsed" ). No dudes it was spent a long time ago for a world war III that (thankfully) didn´t come. Also ofc there are actually somewhat modern weapons which have to be produced like HIMARS ammo, GLSDB kits and Excalibur rounds etc. because they don´t have a large stockpile ... its a mix.
I honestly don't understand the valuation the US military uses for their equipment. When Finland and Estonia sent a bunch of their 80's made Pasi APC's, they were valued at practically nothing by our defence forces.
Show how much is spent for Israel next please
Since Israel's founding in 1948, it has received a total of $158 billion in military aid from the United States.
@@NotExpatJoe It would be interesting to see those frequent "donations" adjusted for inflation.
@@_Thoughtful_Aquarius_ It's more work than I'd be willing to do for a TH-cam comment. It would be interesting though.
The last time I heard the word pledged, was from a reality tv show with captain jack sparrow
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"War is a racket"
Smedley D. Butler retired United States Marine Corps major general
Avarice
"Putin troll army."
Poland delivered the most and fastest in the European Union. As the war began it sent modernized its t-72 tanks. Such machines had already been used by the Ukrainians so they got new ones, they did not have to train. They also got a lot of PT-91 tanks - one could say such a t-72 on steroids. Plus KRAB cannon howitzers - some of the most modern in Europe, along with Fly Eye jammer-proof drones. Plus a lot of infantry vehicles. Lots of GROT rifles, bullets, etc.
And Germany at the beginning of the war showed the middle finger to its ally the US because it only wanted to send 5000 helmets.
Not enough people are talking about Germany's role in this invasion. Germany has for many years been the biggest contributor to all the problems in Ukraine by making Russia rich and not spending adequately on defense. Shame on you Germany.
Remember guys... the ukrain is "WINNING" like the news always says 😂😂
They are bot
How is it that it is Russia against Ukraine?
Ukraine will pay for these weapons for some decades, it's not about helping them.
Sure & nobody is telling us what's in the f.... Ukraine that should make us care about anything happening there ???
@@FrankStein-y1r plenty of people tell you, there are academics, journalists and politicians working to produce quality information for you, you don't consume it because you choose not to.
Ukraine won't pay a single cent - its economy is dead and may take a long time to rebuild... if there will be somebody left to rebuild
They will pay... with rubles
Haha he called a tank canon a pool noodle. Im stealing that. Bro we have 5,000 abrams in storage and active duty. We could've given 500 hundred.
nuh uh my abrams
Ive said the same
lol nobody calls this a stalemate. nobody that follows this closely.
The amount of lies, propaganda and missinformation coming out of the Western MSM controlled by Washington is mindboggling. Even by its poor standards. And of course, any other media not parroting the official line has been banned by the freedom lovers.
Still, no amount of propaganda or NAFO trolls can hide the reality on the ground any longer.
What is it then
Business as usual
Where's air support? We've been promising F-16 for 2 years, but never actually delivered any. Fake.
We've been promising but never actually agreed to send them. We only just agreed to let others send F16s.
They just got them. They were being trained on them that's why it took so long.
Grinding those grooves into those barrels can only be done by hand? Yeah, not buying that at all. Pop it into a CNC machine and save yourself the labor.
Noticed a few misinformation moments, the barrel grooves were turned on a lathe, person is using a small handheld angle grinder for deburring,, whether by accident or design many of these videos are quite questionable as to accuracy
@@edzimdahl1158 It makes sense and it happens all the time in these documentaries. It's a bunch of journalists going to a factory to film, interview and take notes during a tour. They aren't technical people and once they have to write a whole script and edit a documentary based on their notes and what they filmed, it's easy for a mistake or two to slip in.
I have a friend who is a journalist and the articles he has to write based on his qualifications are rather shocking. He had to write an article on why Ukrainian air defences held up and managed to deny the airspace to Russians, but he had no concept of SEAD, didn't know anti-radiation missiles were a thing and much more. I was there to help but I'm just a bit of a hobbyist, and he isn't given the time to go dig for some military expect and get a full interview either.
Since then I've been a bit more lenient on journalistic mistakes, it's not that easy.
The grooves are produced in a CNC Lathe. They're just manually deburring the ends of the threads.
@@Ataraxia_Atom And the lathe cannot deburr because???
“America” did not. The United States did.
What do you mean?
@@davidglenn2739 America is the country of We Americans from sea to shining sea. The United States is the rogue nation occupying and oppressing America; And much of the rest of the world.
To the rest of the world outside the US, "America" and "The United States" mean the same thing. We use "The Americas" (plural) to refer to the parts beyond the US.
@@Berkeloid0 Yes, I know. And I understand why. However, I try where I can to differentiate the two. America really is under occupation. Don’t feel sorry for, but do try to understand.
@@k.chriscaldwell4141 Then why aren't you calling Mexico "United Mexican States". Why aren't you calling France the "French republic" or "République Française"? Why aren't you calling Germany "The Federal Republic of Germany" or "Bundesrepublik Deutschland"? Same applies to many other countries. Or do you just have a problem with America?
6:59 "Efficiency is key to speed."
Meanwhile an American spend thousands of dollars for a single night in a hospital lmao
American hegemony doesn't come cheap 🙃
They should learn to live healthy and not require expensive hospitals and medication. Their problems are self-inflicted. I'm 60 and have never spent a night in a hospital, have average blood pressure and maintain my weight with diet and exercise. Everyone can do what I do and be in good health.
@@dontchaseanyone Arrogant for suggesting people should quit eating at Chick fil a 3X a week, or gorging themselves on Pizza and McDonalds and wonder why they have bad hearts or Diabetes? Yea, I don't feel sorry for them or the drug addicts on the street living homeless. It's their fault.. Not mine, not yours, not the US Government.
@@stevebusfield199 well there are people who have born without a health like yours....have you realized that?
Stalemate?😂😂😂
How global corporations make fat stacks on another meaningless war. 💰💰💸
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