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Phase Connect has a favorability problem as well, the more successful you are the more Sakana bullies you.
Aww, but you leave out, popularity in Phase is reflective of how much talents bully Sakana.
Our favorite talent doesn't stream 😢
That's not right. Sakana should take accountability and give equal measure bullying to all phase tubers.
@@jessepeterson6694 Everybody in Phase needs bullying, except Muumi of course
@@MrNorker77 Nasa and Da Michi are also off limits.
The CEO himself is like..I don't know how to say this but he is something. Like these people I believe can thrive but under this company? To be fully frank I don't see it happening.
Its gonna be a toxic environment
Reminds me of when Crunchyroll claimed to donate to Japanese animators. But like Pippa said, it’s very easy to lie about that stuff on the regular. At the time of that stream, I pointed out how the agency is debuting the same about of talents that Phase currently has 3 years after Phase’s inception. That’s not a good sign at all, and I really don’t see this going very far.
Why would CR donate to Japanese animators? Shouldn't they just be paying them through their licenses anyway? Donations can be tracked, but corpo donations rarely have a long lasting impact. If you want to support a cause, donate directly instead of giving some middleman a tax write off.
It's a shame cause I found a nexas talent streaming on YT and she seems super nice. She even said that she hasn't collabed with any of her co-workers and doesn't have plans to atm.
Shephield? I've watched her a few times.
They're going to form cliques and the circles will tighten. You either find "genmates" or run the solo act as hard as you can. It's a weird meta.
@matthewb5364 Yeah, she said one of her co-workers were doing a collab with other members of nexus but, she missed it. I don't recall the explanation she gave for missing it but, she doesn't have any plans for collabs atm. Maybe due to her being introverted or shy, I'm not 100% sure.
@@rujo4 That sounds so sad! Collabs with other talents in your agency seem very important/a great way to grow together. I hope she gets a chance to do something that suits her.
@@matthewb5364 Why would you grow together in an agency who'll only support the top dogs?
In that kind of place you either rise yourself or kick others down. Either way you gotta be at the tops
It really does sound like a dog eat dog world at Nexas
Man pippa's business sense is fucking amazing
That's our founder of Flavr!
amazing for someone who never had a job
She is just concerned and wants better treatment for nexas talents
Also, imagine how backstabby and toxic it would be. Anything you would say or do would be used against you by your co-workers just so they can get better standings
On the bright side Pippa's breedability is nothing to be concerned about.
I feel like I’ve seen you say this before…?
@@HEYDUDEITSTONY The turtle is everywhere,and he is very consistent.
@@HEYDUDEITSTONY this is his agenda, he always said it
@@notusneo makes sense!
Vtubing is not "big brother" the television show. A vtuber company treating it like one, is just going to lead to what happened with niji en. Over and over and over again. Yes, vtubers in an agency are co-workers, but they should not be pitted against each other over KPI's like it was a bloody call center.
Exactly, it just breeds negativity and could probably make a bullying culture like people have speculated about in Niji EN. Your talents need to actually like one another and work together. Every time you buy someone's merch in Phase you help them and the company overall. Ideally it should be all the talents, owner, and managers working to make the company grow and help the talents achieve some of the things they want from entertaining so many people.
@@Th3Kingism It really depends. For Pippa's 3.33 merch sale, there was the item that included her genmates and her genmates got a cut of that one. Basically, if their image is on it, they get a direct cut. If not, it goes to the general company coffer and their wage. It does sound like they get a base pay on top of merch and superchat cuts. Shiina managed to negotiate an extra $50 a month to pay for everyone's gym membership.
It's even worse! Because at least it isn't Niji's GOAL, It's a consequence of mismanagement.
Nexas... Now, that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time.
Nexas is just the hunger games of vtubing
Fuck the whole damn company
Edit: Remember to tell your regular indie vtubers "thank you." It can mean a lot.
Did Pips update her model recently? Her mouth tracking looks a lot sharper
@ikari1374 I do think she mentioned getting her model's rigging improved, but it could be the way she's seated. This is from a Hand Cam stream and she made a box she films in. It sounds like she rests her head on the top of the box their her phone, so she might be a lot closer to the phone when doing these.
Из того что говорит Пиппа я прихожу к выводу, что подобных компаний в витуберской сфере значительное большинство. Следовательно, для начинающих талантов очень велик шанс попасть в компанию, где её будут задрачивать за каждый просмотр. Пришло время для создания витуберского профсоюза? Аниме девочки всех стран, объединяйтесь?
Иронично то, что Пипа не верит в пользу профсоюзов. Впрочем, если хоть немного знать ее Капипиталистические взгляды - это не удивительно, кек)
Энивей, пока не возникло ни одного состоятельного ютуберского профсоюза, так что нечего говорить о более нишевых категориях.
@@Sanuria11 справедливости ради, большинство ютуберов самозанятые, а большинство витуберов работают на корпы. Так что скорее профсоюз возникнет у анимешных девочек, чем у всех ютуберов в целом
@@turompouch4884 Витуберов больше корповских? Шта? Можно пруфы?
Инди - подавляющее большинство. Не стоит мерить вещи личным опытом. Хотя, в ру-коммунити (сорян, если зря записала) довольно туннельный фокус. О твиче вообще никто ничего не знает.
Просто полистай дебют-хештеги в твиттере и посмотри, как много инди.
Damn, that's some "Glengarry Glenn Ross" kinda shit right there. "Coffee is for closers!" Yeah, definitely bail on a company like that if you're a Vtuber....
I don't know if nexass is shady behind the scenes or not. But is there a place free of competition? Also that battle royal statement seems like marketing to me, not a good one but just marketing.
I dont know why people are surprised that this is a thing
The Vtubing industry heavily borrows conventions from Japans Idol scene
And these type of battle royale things have been there too with entire Idol groups being 1 big battle Royale , there is one that had poor people winning money
Who knows. Bad companies have a shorter and shorted life expectancy nowadays. Too many good vtubers have seen the horror stories and talk to each other behind the scenes at this point for shitty CEOs to get away with stringing along good talents for very long. My prediction is either Nuxus will dissolve within a year or they change their business model. They're gonna loose a lot of talents regardless. How many managers do they even have? If the managers are shared, are they tipping the scales to their favorites? Or are they managerless, but get a better cut?
Vtuber watchers is too used to Hololive that they use them as standard where everyone can grow fair play
@@vkarvanzer4243 I was talking more in general. I just don't think there is an industry where you are free of competition. If there is a company with an open position be it entertainment or just a common office job, if you got that position somebody else didn't ( or more likely a bunch of them didn't).
@@BeruleAdierant The thing is how the competition works. Sadly the "battle royale" on their situation is more than marketing. It's just.. Like that. Tho they do well stopping at "top dogs got goods" and not went to "lows got drops"
Admitting you will show favoritism is definitely bad, however I personally believe that hiding that fact is worse.
So would the meta for nexus to be out of company collabs? It doesn’t alienate coworkers and brings you a much more connected audience
2:30 idol corp?
What sense does it make for an agency to bury their clients for not drawing, isn't that just like being an indie but you get less of the revenue?
The biggest reasons for joining a small/new/bad corpo are 1. Your gemmates, some people want to find friends and other vtubers to grow alongside.
2. The revenue, if you're not doing good as an indie it may be worth joining even a low paying agency to have some type of income.
3. The marketing, if you're in an agency you're more likely to pull viewers and build a community simply for being in said agency, and they can pay for professional marketing and make you more visible than you were as an indie.
The marketing being the biggest reason if it's a bad agency. You can join for a year or two, and then bring a large chunk of your community back to your indie account once you do quit.
They probably don't actually care for the talents (which is a warning sign for me) and don't mind some of them failing as long as the few who get big, get really big. That may also be a part of why there's so many of them. Out of 27 people at least one should get reasonable numbers.
@@HyattHyatt3179 4. Sponsorship opportunities are easier to get.
5. Some people just need structure. Or it's not a "real job" without a boss.
Can someone explain where Nox Orphee streams? She showed up in chat during this stream. I found her Twitch and TH-cam channels, but there's nothing there.
Nexas Vtubers have to stream on AniLive, which is an app only on iOS. No Android, no desktop, no browser.
50% of the money you give to me will be used on gunpla and comics the other 50% is for therapy and food.
But that's real life sales
“Real life sales” strategies don’t always work for the entertainment industry. You have to encourage collaboration between talents for mutual growth, but Nexas’s business strategy does the opposite, as Pippa said.
@captainanon6849 Well, for this entertainment, a viewer only has a finite amount of time and purchasing power, and they are going to choose their favorites it's a competition for eyes and dollars it always has been and pippa has the privilege and honor at being at the top in her company but you better beileve the ones at the bottom of her company leaderboard know that fact
@@joshbetts7618 I’d argue that, among corpo VTubers, competition typically happens more between different companies than between individual streamers. An agency’s streamers establishing chemistry and playing off of it will draw people to that agency. That’s one reason corpos are often encouraged to collaborate with others within their agency rather than with indies or streamers from rival companies.
@@joshbetts7618 yes, but there more resourses exist in a company than simply view time and direct donations, that's what separates corpo from indie afteral.
True, we don't know how it works behind the scene, but in Phase from what we seen they have independent marketing budget, that goes all over the place, no matter the size of their channels (wasn't that Michi given Shibuya Vision add some time before JP gen?). Plus they have some project budget for music and stuff (Amber's vocal classes come from there too, I assume) that seem to be split in "first come - first served" type of way (Which led to Lumi and Rie taking most of it and being manuanly restricted by Sakana).
As a result... what's the point in being at the top? What is there to compete for inside of company? Outside competition is already more than enough, no need to make it even harder.
@@joshbetts7618 Do you really think Pippa would be happy if her success met her genmate's failure? You say she's at the top and you're right, but has she really taken advantage of that? She only has two outfits and a couple of novelty alt models. Tenma and Lumi have a lot more models. She doesn't really throw her weight around and the general workplace culture seems to be about group success. Dizzy has stated she favors JP clips for PhaseWeekly because she thinks they deserves more viewers. The company's job isn't to "trim fat", it's to find the audience for your talent's special skills. They could have picked any of the more "Idol-like" talents for AnimeExpo, but they're going with Uruka for a concert performance.
Also, a lot of people found Phase through a Pippa clip, but wouldn't have stuck around for her for very long. But many, many people found a different Phase member they like and stuck around for them. If Phase had the Nexus model, Pippa wouldn't be linking to her coworker's channels on her channel. I'm currently watching Lulu Lasso after she showed up in Pippa's chat last night and it's weird. There's no links to any other Nexus talent on her Twitch channel and only 13 of the 27 talents are on her yt page.
Pippa is right when she says she probably shouldn't be talking about this. Especially because this could be construed as a corpo v. corpo move. The Nexas talents are still small and relatively unknown. I only know the lasso and sheep girl. They probably don't have a lifeline like other ex-corpo vtubers do. At this point, hurting this corpo's rep is hurting their talents' growth. Some might even be planning to leave Nexas as soon as they get a stable viewership.
Mandated toxic work environment lol
Someone has learned from the Nijisanji playbook
Counterpoint: saying vtubers who do better get favoritism is kind of based.
The weak should be purged.
No. I like Nasa even though the language barrier and time zones make watching her hard. I appreciate that Sakana isn't ignoring her and the other smaller members, even getting her an updated outfit recently.
@@DuamerthraxNot very based and natural selectionpilled, my guy.
@@melvinmerkelhopper5752 Guys, I found Hex's alt account!
Very Amstrongpilled of you
Miko was unpopular and heavily considered quitting before she had her moment that she managed to capitalize into her current status. Many such stories in holo that shows what they all need is that spark. Maybe they needed time to develop their interaction with their audience or maybe they messed to figure out something about themselves that would be appealing.
The idea of survival of the fittest only works if they're all very similar to each other. The reality is that they all have different schedule, different personalities, different game preferences, different strength and weaknesses, etc. If you have multiple talents doing the exact Same thing with minor differences, they would cannibalize each other.
One of the biggest underrated lesson you can learn from holo is that it's a relay race, not survival of the fittest. Sora had to persevere before she got the Christmas miracle. Then fubuki start carrying the baton and adding gamers. Then pekora's gen came and grew the company massively. None of them are useless, they all just need their time. Just like how aki was stagnating for a long time before she got her chance with ark and gta online.
Did she just suggest communism
OUR vtuber corporation Comrade.
I don't think so, it's just common sense that you don't pit your employees (like your talents) against each other, to avoid self-sabotage. Since corporate leaders not always have common sense due to upward failing, they think internal competition will lead to great things.
While I haven't heard about any actual VTuber worker cooperative, I've heard about multiple people chipping in to the same manager and lawyer combinations (worked out well, save for the drama due to human reasons), and the "worker coop-like" groups (where sometimes some people gained too much power, then they started to erode the group).