Sven and Capello would've won something with that England squad. FA have finally made a good appointment but people are mad because he's German. Ignoring the fact he's a champions league winner and league winner.
Bloody hell Gary and Alan really sounding dinosaurs here imo. You can’t possibly think Carsley is the better appointment just because he’s English. With Tuchel in the dug out, for the first time in my life, I have genuine belief in the national team.
I don't think anybody is saying that an English manager would necessarily be "better" than a foreign one. They are talking more about the spirit of international football. Being the best one country has to offer vs the best that another has to offer.
CAPELLO ,GORAN ERIKSSON. now Tuchel...Capello is Italian and Eriksson was Swedish..THE PROBLEM WITH Tuchel is that He is GERMAN.. The English nd Germans are best friends, how is it a problem 😅
I think this might just be the most sensible appointment I've ever seen the FA make in my 40+ years of watching England. Who's going to care what nationality he is when he's holding silverware? It also maybe shows that they're brave enough to admit that the whole St George's park set-up hasn't had enough time to work yet. Instead of blindly pushing forward with the whole "Only English Pathway"
@jonminson5770 Agreed. Job comes too soon for Carsley and the timing's wrong to get Howe because it would cost a bomb to get him out of Newcastle and he's still not as experienced/successful as Tuchel. Hopefully having an elite manager will also level up the St George's Park setup in terms of the tactical thinking and experience he can share with the rest of the coaching staff. It could be the case that this helps accelerate that development rather than hamper it.......although given Tuchel's history there's also a good chance it all ends in a meltdown 😝
He’s not been hired to rescue and rebuild the national team, that work has already been done. He’s been hired to navigate 8 games and win the World Cup. Tuchel is a coach who can get you over the line and that’s where England are at, timing is everything and The FA couldn’t risk a weak appointment while the opportunity to win something is possible.
In addition, other top-level teams will not be at their best for the World Cup, as Argentina will no longer have Messi, France is in a state of uncertainty, Spain has not yet reached its full potential, Germany is rebuilding, but the more time passes, the less chance there will be for England to win anything.
a world cup is incredibly hard to win. not only the coach has to function, the players also, luck has to be there in the right moment ( because "the moment" where you need it will most likely come in such a long tournament). id practise penalties a lot ( a tip from a german xD). also, as a german, i would never expect a world cup. just let it go and it will come.
@@homerp.hendelbergenheinzel6649Absolutely spot on about not thinking about a world cup! It adds to much psychological pressure imo and it was imo something Gareth Southgate at the start of his term I feel did really well a in instilling into his players..
We've hired someone that is Known for falling out with players over trivial things and causing unrest within the squads he's managed, has a big ego, failed at Bayern and that's a tough one to manage on itself, I hope I'm wrong but not filled with confidence at all tbh
I think they won't be able to contain themselves even now.....i think a few will always be on his back so they can look back if it doesn't work out and have the ability to claim they have been saying it all along.
If the FA appointment Guardiola, no one would be crying out saying "The England manager should be english". But because Tuchel isn't as successful as Guardiola and German , most people are up in arms. Pathetic really
@@affalaffaaThey were not bad coaches far from it and as recently come out it was actually the players under them that were the problem with their club rivalries.
Thats simply because Pep is a way better and more successful manager than Tuchel, nothing to do with being German. Id have rather had Klopp and hes German.
the gerrard at villa revisionism is absolutely horrific here. he did not have "1 bad spell and then was out" he had one good spell (aka his new manager bounce) and was either wholly underwhelming or completely fucking inept despite getting pretty heavily backed in the transfer market and having had a lot of confidence behind him. he was a tactical disaster once beale left and sacking him for unai is one of the best decisions a prem team has made in the past decade
The fact Unai immediately drags them from the relegation zone and qualifies for Europe should say enough. TBH Alan is the only one who seems like he's actually watched the Villa play for 90 minutes
Unfortunately, Gerrard, Lampard, and Shearer all said the same thing as managers: "The players need to work harder." If that's the peak of their problem-solving ability it's no wonder their careers have tanked.
Tuchel is the best manager currently available for the job. I find the English mentality of serial mediocrity so bizarre, people would rather an English manager who has no chance of winning us any silverware but he 'gives it a go' rather than have a foreign manager with a proven track record. Tuchel is one of if not the best tournament manager in the world, it's a fantastic appointment
We've hired someone that is Known for falling out with players over trivial things and causing unrest within the squads he's managed, has a big ego, failed at Bayern and that's a tough one to manage on itself, I hope I'm wrong but not filled with confidence at all tbh, not as fantastic as you're making it out to be although I applaud your sense of optimism 🙌🏻
Genuinely disgusting that after 60 years of being trophyless, generations of people supporting their nation with pride and without silverware, we still have a media toxic and misshapen enough to try and smear and smudge a world class, champions league winning manager arriving to the dugout. Where do we get this ego? Have faith and support him as he arrives, his passport doesn’t matter in the slightest. It didn’t with Sven, it didn’t with Fabio. We’ve gone and got the best man for the job and that’s a damn sight better than Roy Hodgson who we’ve seen in the past! CMON ENGLAND 🏴
Funnily enough, Germans dont need a passport. Just an ID card. You know, free travel and all.. Ok that was an absoluetly unnecessary jab for an actually well argued comment, I apologise :D
A German coach, Sepp Piontek, changed Danish football from being only amateur level to professional back in 1979 until 1990. His changes and vision was definitely behind us winning the Euros in 92. And even if we Danes never really liked the Germans (too many lost wars 😂), we ended up loving Sepp, who still lives in Denmark this day. Tuchel’s hardest challenge coming in will be making all these great individuals working together as a united team. And maybe it will be good to have a manager without an obvious connection to his hometown club like any English manager would have.
I learned today that it costs £15,000 to do all your licenses up to Pro level. It’s not even 10% that cost to do them in other major European countries. We need to talk about that, because essentially the FA are severely restricting the amount of people coming into coaching
Did you know that Tuchel started coaching (Mainz youth, Augsburg II) WITHOUT a UEFA license? What is stopping English managers going to Germany to do the hard work in lower leagues? ETH was learning at BAyern under Pep. Mourinho hustled his way up the ladder in a foreign country (barca). What's this nonsense about having to follow the magical st george's pathway? Since when are top managers created in an institution? If anything, top managers will have the right skillset to seek out a challenge and commit to it. It's a mix between personality and experience on the pitch, nothing that can be bottled in a system. If anything, it will produce managers with the wrong skillset. Tuchel got hired by Dortmund after 10 hard years making mistakes and learning on the job. He used to check the grass conditions before away games, etc. He is obsessed and a perfectionist with 20+ years experience as a coach AND trophies. Look at Arteta, didn't go to a Spanish institution. LEarnt from the best, like pEp did from Cruyff, like ETH did from Pep, like nagelsmann did from Tuchel. None of them moaning about English UEFA fees or a crisis at st George's park. They just took their chances in foreign lands, Like Alonso at Leverkusen. The whole st George manager school idea is ill conceived.
@@jimbinho175 English coaches do go abroad to be fair. Potter was in Scandinavia don't forget. The issue is they can't get into the premier. Or only a fraction do.
Finally, the FA have made an exciting appointment. Whether it works out or not, I am just happy to be looking forward to England games and big tournaments rather than dreading it. Let's give him our support and see what happens
Not true at all. There was a massive drop off from 2010 through to 2018 where England fans and media rightly acknowledged that our team was well below par. We only really started to show faith again in the quality of the team in the 2020 Euros.
As a German, who has gone through a period of mediocre if not bad football I dont think you should aim for a trophy. Aim for a football that is exciting and a team which has a great chemistry. This was what gave the German team its success in the past and it is what reignited the passion for the team prior to the European Cup. You need a manager who puts the team above everything else. And a good bit of ambition will definitely help with that. So not saying shooting for the WC is a bad idea, just that it should be a secondary goal.
"Gerrard's first bad patch and he is out" - his bad patch was the best part of 12 months, he had Villa in a relegation fight, made a vanity signing in Coutinho, Emery with the same players has Villa in Europe. Gerrard's European campaign would have been getting Villa playing away at Swansea
England signing a German manager is only a big 'thing' for English people. In fact, England vs Germany isn't even a big rivalry in Germany - their big rivalry is with the Dutch
@@godfreemorals the Dutch, the Italians and the French are far bigger rivals than England. However, all of these are purely based on duels of the past in football rather than historical ones. The only reason Germans want England to loose is because of the english ignorance and arrogance towards other nations (espacially towards Germany). Not having won anything apart the WC 66 and still acting like it's your god-given right to win any cup is just so weird in many eyes (I don't want to talk for all of us but probably the majority). Also it feels like time stood still the last 70 years on the British Isles as there is no other banter than WW2 against us...like come on, it's so easy to make fun of us in any shape or form, but repeating the same thing over and over just gets bland over time. I'm getting excited for any duel against our neighbours or rivals apart from England just because I already know that nothing funny will occur with the english Fans as there will be nothing but drunk people who want to get into fights, calling us Nazis and singing the 10 German Bombers song.
Greece appointed a German coach and went on to win the 2004 Euros. Scolari, a Brazilian, managed Portugal to a Euro final and World cup Semi. Hiddink managed South Korea to a World cup semi. Sven getting England to beat Germany 1:5 will forever be remembered. So a foreign manager can certainly work and I wish Tuchel well.
CAPELLO ,GORAN ERIKSSON. now Tuchel...Capello is Italian and Eriksson was Swedish..THE PROBLEM WITH Tuchel is that He is GERMAN.. The English nd Germans are best friends, how is it a problem 😅
In fairness, the German coach of Greece was Rehagel. Arguably, and I know this will come as a shock for English football fans, the best manager that the game has ever seen. I mean he won the Euros with fuckin Greece!
@@joggle0Southgate achieved lucky draws with one of the greatest generations of english talents ever. Against proper opposition get got schooled every time
@@IFCGaming fair point too. This England side should be better than Greece. If Greece or Nigerian hire a foreign manager, I think it’s more understandable
No English managers are good enough for the job as England manager, and none of them have a proven winning track record. It is not hard to work out why the FA went for Tuchel.
@@SimonFlynn-un1urbro beat 1 top nation in knockouts in 8 years, we has the easiest draws every tournament and the first top nation we face we lose… southgate was tactically pretty awful and it showed when we would play against a top coach
I reckon Brazil, Argentina, France and Italy supporters would care if they appointed a foreign manager. I don't have an issue with it but it's a sad reflection of English football.
I remember Vialli in his book said he noticed something about English football that not many people mention. He said in English football there wasn’t the class diversity that was in Italy or in other European countries. In Italy there were players from upper classes, middle classes and working class because football was very lucrative in Italy. In England wages were kept very low until the Premier League due to the maximum wage and the TV money being shared between all 4 divisions until 1992. This made football unattractive to working class people with a good formal question, middle class people and upper class people as they had the education to find more lucrative careers in other fields. So for 100 years only the least educated English people were in football. This created an anti-academic anti-intellectual culture in English football, where you call another player gay for reading a broadsheet newspaper and you have generation of generation of players who become coaches with out academic or formal good education to be a manager in the most sophisticated data analysis coaching today. Guardiola was working with a nuclear physicist from Harvard to better coach the movement of players. How is a former English pro-with 2 GCSEs going to compete with that? It is changing because as the wages caught up with the top clubs in Europe, you are now seeing more middle class players in the English game like Bamford, Ward-Prowse, Tyrone Mings and Eric Dier and more highly educated working class players like Saka, Lookman, Hudson-odoi and Danny Welbeck, but it takes more than few generations to change 100 year culture of anti-intellectualism in English football.
Same changes in management. The younger English coaches do degrees, even post graduate degrees when they start their careers. Things are changing. Still very strong anti middle class bias in English football though.
@@HB2K-h8m Interesting to note that there's still a noticeable class divide between football and rugby, both in schools and in some towns and cities. I wonder if that's the case in other countries where football is the most popular sport?
@@scoggers1628 Well in England at the start of of 20th you had sport divided into class. The amateur sports like Rugby Union, Cricket and athletics were predominantly upper and middle class and the paid professional sports of football, rugby league, boxing were working class. Other countries didn’t have that divide, especially in football in Europe , where they had no maximum wage like England, keeping footballer salaries very low. That meant salaries footballers in Europe were higher and attractive to highly educated working class, middle class and upper class and you have more education people in football in Europe, you create a more intellectual and academic approach to football and tactics and that history has created an environment where better coaches can be produced. If wages were not much higher for footballers than the average man, there was no incentive for educated working class, middle classes and upper classes to play football and use their education in another field. This creates a dumbed down football culture were an academic and intellectual approach to football was distrusted and even mocked and this has produced English coaches without the academic skills to coach in this modern era of football to a high level.
@@scoggers1628 As someone who attended an English private school during the mid-90s I can confirm that sports like football, basketball and boxing were very much looked down upon in favour of sports such as rugby, hockey and cricket.
Possibly a mark of the man was when Chelsea was put up for sale, He was a class act dealing with the media and keeping the football side on an even keel. Not ideal another foreign manager but he’ll give it his best shot
@@romanoonamor7690 but the media hailed her and the squad. Seen loads about how good she’s been etc. end of the day we haven’t produced anywhere near good enough coaches in this country for the calibre of the job and squad at hand
@Jaxxx365 because the media are the ones falsely elevating women's football. It shows you they don't truly care about it that they won't hold it to the same standard. Just the ESG
@@ELCNUmorFnaMehT if u cant understand why there is divided opinion then you are simple. Id prefer to watch the last 45 mins of a light bulbs life rhan a half of Womens footballs,, it is terrible!!!🤣🤣
Tuchel is the best appointment out of all the candidates. Why limit ourselves to English coaches? Nobody is going to care who the manager is if he wins something.
What is with always wanting an English manager? It hasn't worked for England since Sir Alf Ramsey in 1966! Eddie Howe is a good manager, no international experience and hasn't won any real trophies, Graham Potter, hasn't won anything, Sean Dyche, Rob Edwards, Gary O'Neill, Michael Carrick etc.. Having someone like Tuchel who has won a champions league with Chelsea, won the league with PSG and Bayern Munich and won the German Cup with Dortmund, that is better pedigree. Yes it isn't Pep but its significantly better than Southgate.
As a villa fan Gerrard was absolutely terrible for us and getting rid of him was the best thing the clib did. Unai basically came in and showed him up immediately. Gerrard was so good he is now in Saudi Arabia btw
Teams like Germany and Spain, as well as Argentina etc., are still there so there is no guarantee whatsoever that Tuchel will win anything. Remember also that managing a country is very different to managing a club. It would not suite some managers and maybe that would include Klopp and Pep. Hopefully, Tuchel will be suited to managing England and I would certainly expect a big improvement.
7:35 - 9:40 thats the sound of the hammer hitting the nail on the head. Totally agree with Gary - being stuck in the old English way of playing/coaching has cost you dearly in terms of coaching development. Even look at club - all your successful managers at club level are foreigners. Failure to adapt your playing style to something more modern whilst other countries mainly go with domestic names and have developed unique yet modern styles. Its finally caught up with England.
Our only options were Eddie Howe or Graham Potter. They didn't want to pay the compensation for Howe and he doesn't seem interested in taking it. Potter has had one good season at Brighton, hardly an outstanding resume (Howe's isn't amazing either). So where else were they going to go?
Very happy with the appointment - Mikah was right here (2:38) when he said we don't have an English manager good enough, so this idea that we're somehow doing ourselves a disservice by hiring a more impressive foreign candidate is absolute nonsense. To choose an English manager over Tuchel would be to spite your nose to save your face.
Why is it only Villa fans that can see how bad it truly got under Gerrard? The football we played was some of the worst I’ve ever seen. Gerrard turned every foundation that Dean Smith set in place completely toxic, then with basically the same players, Emery sends us from a relegation threat to Europe. Gerrard was dreadful at Villa, it wasn’t just ‘one bad spell and he’s gone.’
TT at Chelsea was loved by the fans and we had full length height banners in our stadium. It was his personality and passion. His tactics and formations were creative and it was only the end with the new owners and TT wanted to change all the players that he left but even then many of our fans wanted to keep him. So England is a great and bold decision. He will connect with the young players and finally he will employ at 3241 which i have been saying forever about Southgate and TT is his formation there, certainly forwards. He will organise Bellingham with Rice as double pivot and Bellingham will be the more forward passing link to the 5 forwards. He will use two 10’s slightly the the left and right with Foden and Palmer and Saka on the right and Grealish or Gordon on the left with Kane at front. I feel we are finally getting somewhere with the national team!
I just feel now that our new manager will be a strength for us going into the big games - rather than a weakness - and that’s going to be a great feeling. I really hope it works out!
Will be interesting to see whether Tuchels appointment gives the players a bit more confidence as well. Also put a good kinda pressure on players to preform because as a player looking over at the dugout I know who id be more scared of letting down and it wouldn’t be a manager like Southgate who doesn’t have any real presence about him
At Chelsea he played three at the back because that is what they were suited for and Frank just refused to play it. An old Thiago Silva and Azi were made for a 3. Reece and Ben were the prototype wingbacks at that time, they had 3 midfielders that could play the pivot at a plus level and they had three young energetic forward players. Tuchel will find what suits this England squad, whether it be a 3 or not
CAPELLO ,GORAN ERIKSSON. now Tuchel...Capello is Italian and Eriksson was Swedish..THE PROBLEM WITH Tuchel is that He is GERMAN.. The English nd Germans are best friends, how is it a problem 😅
I think Tuchel is a clever choice. He's a modern manager with a bit more tactical nous than Southgate and a track record of winning trophies. Who cares where he's from?? That's always our problem and why we haven't been successful imo!
You mention English managers like Gerrard and Lampard but they both shot themselves in the foot by rushing to the Premier League too soon. It's not a division for young managers. We need English coaches to go abroad and learn their trades but too few of them do. Look how many Italians, Spanish and Portuguese coaches are scattered around the globe vs English
Good point. Look at Mourinho at Barca, ETH who went to BAyern youth. Tuchel spent best part of a decade doing hard work at Mainz youth and Augsburg 2 and was successful there to turn the head of Dortmund bosses and the rest is history. He became a top manager in that environment that Ex england players have just skipped based on their name. (look at arteta under pep, Nagelsman under tuchel. They all did the hard work in lower leagues or as assistant first).
If it was guardiola or klopp no one would be saying anything negative - I think all players, managers and staff should be from the country they represent
i wonder if he will have plans for greenwood? look whether he did or didn't do what he was accused of, we will never know it never went to trial. however his ON field ability and his performance makes him by far the best English player currently playing anywhere in the world, and the prospect of him going to Jamaica to win nothing is crazy it will be a waste of natural talent.
The first problem Tuchel will have with the media is his 3-4-3 system with the width coming from the wingbacks which were Chillwell and James at Chelsea. It means wingers like Saka, Grealish, Gordon, Noni etc will miss out unless he plays them as wing backs. Also another attacker will miss out because of the extra defender at the back. It will probably be Kane up front with Foden and Palmer behind as the front 3. Saka or Gordon might move to left wingback since we don’t have a good fit one regularly.
21:52 This is how I know people haven't watched Tuchel other than when he was at Chelsea. His Dortmund and PSG teams were VERY attacking. He only played more pragmatically at Chelsea because he didn't have the attackers to play attacking football.
Youre doing it wrong Lineker. You need to shout as loud as you can when you say hello and blow our eardrums out like Goldbridge, or we just wont listen 😂
why on earth would they bother talking to Eddie Howe? On a fat contract, at a super rich club with an eye to a long-term plan. Even if it was offered to him i can’t imagine he’d say yes.
At the end of the day it's the lads on the field that produce the goods. The manager is the person to get the best out of what is available to him and organise the tactics to beat the successive opposition. I wish him all the best. If we win the next world cup, years later it will be the lads on the pitch that will be revered and yes Tuchel will get a mention of course but the 2nd star on the shirt will dismiss all the canter of questions regarding being a German, he will be our German :)
@@UsuallyTrolling Maybe not, but winning a cup competition just isn't as difficult. Liverpool won the Champions League in 05 with a much worse squad than that Chelsea team.
@@steel.oneill True, but the teams involved aren't concurrently competing in any leagues. I'd say that the split focus at club level is arguably what makes cup competitions easier to win.
The nerve of some English fans not wanting a manager who has won trophies all over Europe. Humble yourselves. England haven't won anything since the TV was in black and white.
Get the best man for the job. 90% of people do not care where theyre from. We were so close under Southgate. Lets get the best man available to finish the job. Weigman won Euros for Womens National team and no one complained where she was from.
Baffles me how people think Potter or Howe would be good for the job. What top tournament experience do they have exactly? Not to mention Potter's dire stint at Chelsea
Guys. Please stop re-writing Gerrard's time at Villa. He had a brief good spell right when he joined, and the rest was dreadful. Was he supposed to relegate us? The fact Unai comes in and immediately qualifies for Europe...
Gary missed the Elephant in the room here... "great sides always have managers of the same nation when they win trophies". Yes Gary this is true. What if you have no proven managers available to you? What then? We've just had an English manager that had ZERO history of winning anything and look what happened. Fuck all trophies. Everyone forgets the guy before that, Big Sam. Zero Trophy potential. Yes having a coach of the same nationality is splendid. But only if the manager themself is good...
Can someone explain to me why Howe is the outstanding English candidate? At no point has he proved he's capable of winning anything. Took Newcastle to 4th, great. If thats the sum of amibition then England will continue to flop in finals.
@@zirbto5749no he’s not he couldn’t even beat a shit United team in the Micky mouse cup ffs and then last season he fell of a cliff and not that great this season
I don’t think too many people care about his nationality tbh, it’s not like he’s the first foreign coach we’ve had and there’s no outstanding English candidate for the job right now!
The obsession with the England manager being English really pisses me off. Yes it’s nice to be patriotic but that on its own won’t win tournaments for England. Cracking manager with a proven track record of silverware at most clubs he’s been at. Fantastic appointment by the FA. Plays a decent style of attacking football too. As long as he wins games and delivers in a major tournament, what England fan is going to complain? 100% behind him. Probably the smartest appointment of the national manager I’ve seen in my lifetime. If we’re going to take that final step to become tournament winners we need a man who’s been there and done it at the highest level. Tuchel is that man. Aside from Pep, who was completely unrealistic anyway it’s the best possible outcome. Carsley would never have cut the mustard. I’m usually underwhelmed by England managerial appointments but I’m genuinely excited by this one. Good things are coming. I can feel it. Welcome Thomas! 🇩🇪🏴🦁
@@ashajeer2383 never understood it. Go out and get the best candidate for the job and he’s right up there. The women’s side took Weigman and she’s won the Euros and almost won the World Cup. The strategy works. With the array of talent we have, why wouldn’t he want to have a crack at it? Good luck to him
Have to disagree. It's not about being patriotic necessarily; for me the whole point of national teams existing as opposed to club teams, is that they are supposed to represent that given nation. If we accept being able to recruit foreign managers, what is the distinction in principle that should stop countries being able to recruit foreign players?
By the way Gary and Alan, having a good coach development programme doesn't exclude tbose English coaches from having ambitions in Europe or further afield but that doesn't mean they are the right fit for this particular vacancy and surely thats better than having a less well travelled coach feom Manchester or whatever who knows England and English but zero about the opposition and their ways of playing
It's clear the FA want a proven record of winning trophies, in the hope that the coach can translate that. No English coach has that. The last English manager to win a 'big' competition was Harry 'I set up bank accounts for my pets' Redknapp. The FA had tried approaching from within and while the environment has transformed, crossing the all important, coveted line has eluded the team. Who out there has shown flexibility in terms of tactics to the same level that Tuchel has? I don't particularly care what nationality the coach is. I care about seeing the team playing positive attacking football that is cohesive throughout the pitch. That's the big challenge, given the lack of time a national coach has these days with his group of players. What I don't want to see, ever again, is the team playing like they did in the last tournament.
The players are coached by their clubs. England needs a Manager who can manage the tactics that maximises the players ability according to how they are coached at their clubs. If they want them to play differently, they have less than a week at a time to coach them to it
It’s also down to the clubs. They need to take chances on the English coaches. That’s is the only way to gain experience…. The clubs do not want to take risks. As it comes down to money.
We have no outstanding English managers because the big teams all hire the best man for their job as they should. Are they supposed to hire Sol Campbell, Rooney, Southgate, Lampard, Gerrard instead of their current managers? Maybe there should be a rule in the premier league that all assistant managers should be English to learn under these great foreign managers
The fact is that England has no quality players in the premiership or any managers to take control of the English team. The premiership is made up of foreign players.
I think it's kinda cool to see a foreign manager in charge! Maybe Tuchel can bring some fresh ideas that work for England. His style might just fit the big stage vibes we need. 🤔⚽
To get the top coaching badges, it costs ten times more in England than in Germany. I think that may have something to do with the lack of top English managers.
The obvious question is where were all the English candidates? The last English manager to win the league was Howard Wilkinson with Leeds in 1992. The last English manager to even finish second was Kevin Keegan with Newcastle in 1996. The last English manager to win a European trophy was Bobby Robson with Barcelona in 1997. The last English manager to win any trophy (in England) was Harry Redknapp’s FA Cup win with Portsmouth in 2008. The last English manager to win any major title was Steven Gerrard with Rangers in 2021 - and he’s in Saudi Arabia now.😄 I think the increased prestige of the Champions League has had a knock-on effect with the so-called “Big Clubs” in England, who seem reluctant to hire English managers. Man Utd haven’t had an English manager since 1986. Liverpool have had 2 English managers in the PL era; Roy Evans was ousted for Gerard Houllier in 1998 after one League Cup win and a couple of top 4 finishes; Roy Hodgson didn’t last the season when he was hired in 2010. Arsenal have not had an English manager since 1986. Chelsea, to give them some credit, have hired 2 in recent years; however, one could also argue that those appointments ultimately torpedoed their careers after relatively short, unsuccessful spells in charge. Hopefully, Newcastle will continue to build with Eddie Howe and they’ll win something. It would be nice to see Graham Potter get a similar project somewhere else too (Everton perhaps, after a takeover and the move to the new stadium). As for Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney, they have some rebuilding to do, though they’re all still very young.
It doesn't matter where the coach is from so long as they give the team an identity so everyone knows what they're supposed to do. Because yes, our players are technically better than ever before but they still don't have the tactical understanding or game management ability to compete with the very best teams from Europe and South America. So often our players look clueless on the ball, regardless of how good they are for their clubs. So we need a manager to give them that identity and to give them the tactical guidance (in training and from the touchline) that England will need if they want to win something.
Garry referring to the foreign managers “neither won us the trophies”. Neither did any of the English ones since 1966.
Whole different method of qualifying for tournaments and progressing at tournaments.
I haven't watched the video completely yet, however does he mention the nationality of the womens team who has won things?
@@stevescourou8006pretty irrelevant to be honest
Seriously, English managers had decades to get it done.
Sven and Capello would've won something with that England squad. FA have finally made a good appointment but people are mad because he's German. Ignoring the fact he's a champions league winner and league winner.
Bloody hell Gary and Alan really sounding dinosaurs here imo. You can’t possibly think Carsley is the better appointment just because he’s English. With Tuchel in the dug out, for the first time in my life, I have genuine belief in the national team.
Best thing is, Carsley isn’t even English, he’s Irish so we’d still be hiring a foreign manager
But would you have been excited for Capello, who won even more than Tuchel?
I don't think anybody is saying that an English manager would necessarily be "better" than a foreign one.
They are talking more about the spirit of international football. Being the best one country has to offer vs the best that another has to offer.
Carsley;,Hes won a world cup…!!! World class?
CAPELLO ,GORAN ERIKSSON. now Tuchel...Capello is Italian and Eriksson was Swedish..THE PROBLEM WITH Tuchel is that He is GERMAN.. The English nd Germans are best friends, how is it a problem 😅
Carsley is a genius. Puts all of the number 10s in to show Tuchel that they cant all play in the same team. Genius.
It's so bad it's good
Saka will be LB and palmer RW, and phoden coming off the bench and bellingham in the 10
Full of Number 10 s not really the problem if there is somebody or more to assist to.
4D chess
FODEN SHOULD BE THE 10. Bellingham the 8 Or 6@@abdulrahmanalsultan2871
I think this might just be the most sensible appointment I've ever seen the FA make in my 40+ years of watching England. Who's going to care what nationality he is when he's holding silverware? It also maybe shows that they're brave enough to admit that the whole St George's park set-up hasn't had enough time to work yet. Instead of blindly pushing forward with the whole "Only English Pathway"
@jonminson5770 Agreed. Job comes too soon for Carsley and the timing's wrong to get Howe because it would cost a bomb to get him out of Newcastle and he's still not as experienced/successful as Tuchel.
Hopefully having an elite manager will also level up the St George's Park setup in terms of the tactical thinking and experience he can share with the rest of the coaching staff. It could be the case that this helps accelerate that development rather than hamper it.......although given Tuchel's history there's also a good chance it all ends in a meltdown 😝
100%. It’s a fantastic appointment, I don’t see the relevancy of nationality of the manager.
Capello? A world class manager who was out of a job coming to take over england? That wasn't 40+ years ago
Nah England manager should be English
The guy is bad coach what are u on
He’s not been hired to rescue and rebuild the national team, that work has already been done. He’s been hired to navigate 8 games and win the World Cup. Tuchel is a coach who can get you over the line and that’s where England are at, timing is everything and The FA couldn’t risk a weak appointment while the opportunity to win something is possible.
In addition, other top-level teams will not be at their best for the World Cup, as Argentina will no longer have Messi, France is in a state of uncertainty, Spain has not yet reached its full potential, Germany is rebuilding, but the more time passes, the less chance there will be for England to win anything.
a world cup is incredibly hard to win. not only the coach has to function, the players also, luck has to be there in the right moment ( because "the moment" where you need it will most likely come in such a long tournament). id practise penalties a lot ( a tip from a german xD). also, as a german, i would never expect a world cup. just let it go and it will come.
@@homerp.hendelbergenheinzel6649Absolutely spot on about not thinking about a world cup! It adds to much psychological pressure imo and it was imo something Gareth Southgate at the start of his term I feel did really well a in instilling into his players..
We've hired someone that is Known for falling out with players over trivial things and causing unrest within the squads he's managed, has a big ego, failed at Bayern and that's a tough one to manage on itself, I hope I'm wrong but not filled with confidence at all tbh
That's spot on mate.
The British rag papers won’t be able to contain themselves if this goes wrong.
You can imagine the silly puns and daft World War 2 references and pictures!!
They pander to as many ppl as possible so it won't say much about the English fans if they go down the xenophobic route.
under which possible circumstances would the ever anyway?
Do they still sell those?
I think they won't be able to contain themselves even now.....i think a few will always be on his back so they can look back if it doesn't work out and have the ability to claim they have been saying it all along.
Having the crop of players England has right now should not be ruined by mediocre English managers.
This crop of players need a trophy.
Problem is that they've never had anybody who can reliably boss the midfield and control the rhythm of the game. And they still don't.
Should that be crap of players not crop.
If the FA appointment Guardiola, no one would be crying out saying "The England manager should be english". But because Tuchel isn't as successful as Guardiola and German , most people are up in arms. Pathetic really
Same was said about Sven and Cappello by some people. Nothing is ever going to make everyone happy. Such is life.
@@affalaffaaThey were not bad coaches far from it and as recently come out it was actually the players under them that were the problem with their club rivalries.
@@Theemptythroneistaken Yeah I know.
The english arrogance.... why on earth should pep do this shitty job?
Thats simply because Pep is a way better and more successful manager than Tuchel, nothing to do with being German. Id have rather had Klopp and hes German.
the gerrard at villa revisionism is absolutely horrific here. he did not have "1 bad spell and then was out" he had one good spell (aka his new manager bounce) and was either wholly underwhelming or completely fucking inept despite getting pretty heavily backed in the transfer market and having had a lot of confidence behind him. he was a tactical disaster once beale left and sacking him for unai is one of the best decisions a prem team has made in the past decade
Terrible manager. Did nothing after Villa.
The fact Unai immediately drags them from the relegation zone and qualifies for Europe should say enough. TBH Alan is the only one who seems like he's actually watched the Villa play for 90 minutes
Unfortunately, Gerrard, Lampard, and Shearer all said the same thing as managers: "The players need to work harder." If that's the peak of their problem-solving ability it's no wonder their careers have tanked.
Gerrard also sacked Mings, the players player, as captain. The football Villa played was turgid and uninspiring.
Just made a similar point now. Gerrard is so good he is now managing in Saudi
Tuchel is the best manager currently available for the job. I find the English mentality of serial mediocrity so bizarre, people would rather an English manager who has no chance of winning us any silverware but he 'gives it a go' rather than have a foreign manager with a proven track record. Tuchel is one of if not the best tournament manager in the world, it's a fantastic appointment
We've hired someone that is Known for falling out with players over trivial things and causing unrest within the squads he's managed, has a big ego, failed at Bayern and that's a tough one to manage on itself, I hope I'm wrong but not filled with confidence at all tbh, not as fantastic as you're making it out to be although I applaud your sense of optimism 🙌🏻
It was hardly mediocre under Southgate. If tuchel doesn't win the WC he should be sacked on the spot
Southgate had a chance. Tuchel won nothing in his last season at Bayern.
Genuinely disgusting that after 60 years of being trophyless, generations of people supporting their nation with pride and without silverware, we still have a media toxic and misshapen enough to try and smear and smudge a world class, champions league winning manager arriving to the dugout. Where do we get this ego? Have faith and support him as he arrives, his passport doesn’t matter in the slightest. It didn’t with Sven, it didn’t with Fabio. We’ve gone and got the best man for the job and that’s a damn sight better than Roy Hodgson who we’ve seen in the past! CMON ENGLAND 🏴
No manager has ever won the World Cup when not from their teams nation. I think history is against us here.
(Same for Euros excl. Greece)
Funnily enough, Germans dont need a passport. Just an ID card.
You know, free travel and all..
Ok that was an absoluetly unnecessary jab for an actually well argued comment, I apologise :D
Yeah sven and capello tell me again what they did for the England team ?
@@joggle0 and that one time the coach was German, sooo 👀
@@joggle0 Greece won with a german manager
A German coach, Sepp Piontek, changed Danish football from being only amateur level to professional back in 1979 until 1990. His changes and vision was definitely behind us winning the Euros in 92. And even if we Danes never really liked the Germans (too many lost wars 😂), we ended up loving Sepp, who still lives in Denmark this day.
Tuchel’s hardest challenge coming in will be making all these great individuals working together as a united team. And maybe it will be good to have a manager without an obvious connection to his hometown club like any English manager would have.
same goes for derwall
I learned today that it costs £15,000 to do all your licenses up to Pro level. It’s not even 10% that cost to do them in other major European countries. We need to talk about that, because essentially the FA are severely restricting the amount of people coming into coaching
Only learned that today. Couldn't believe it 😮
pretty much exclusive to ex EPL players at that price.
Did you know that Tuchel started coaching (Mainz youth, Augsburg II) WITHOUT a UEFA license? What is stopping English managers going to Germany to do the hard work in lower leagues? ETH was learning at BAyern under Pep. Mourinho hustled his way up the ladder in a foreign country (barca). What's this nonsense about having to follow the magical st george's pathway? Since when are top managers created in an institution? If anything, top managers will have the right skillset to seek out a challenge and commit to it. It's a mix between personality and experience on the pitch, nothing that can be bottled in a system. If anything, it will produce managers with the wrong skillset. Tuchel got hired by Dortmund after 10 hard years making mistakes and learning on the job. He used to check the grass conditions before away games, etc. He is obsessed and a perfectionist with 20+ years experience as a coach AND trophies. Look at Arteta, didn't go to a Spanish institution. LEarnt from the best, like pEp did from Cruyff, like ETH did from Pep, like nagelsmann did from Tuchel. None of them moaning about English UEFA fees or a crisis at st George's park. They just took their chances in foreign lands, Like Alonso at Leverkusen. The whole st George manager school idea is ill conceived.
in germany it costs up to 40k € (all licenses combined)
@@jimbinho175 English coaches do go abroad to be fair. Potter was in Scandinavia don't forget. The issue is they can't get into the premier. Or only a fraction do.
Finally, the FA have made an exciting appointment. Whether it works out or not, I am just happy to be looking forward to England games and big tournaments rather than dreading it.
Let's give him our support and see what happens
"England's most talented group of players." -- Every England fan, every single year, since the mid-1980's.
It's always a golden generation!
Not in 1992, I can assure you.
@@bonglesnodkins329 yep
Not true at all. There was a massive drop off from 2010 through to 2018 where England fans and media rightly acknowledged that our team was well below par. We only really started to show faith again in the quality of the team in the 2020 Euros.
@@slipperywinston4076 Indeed, many were predicting a group stage exit in 2018.
As a German, who has gone through a period of mediocre if not bad football I dont think you should aim for a trophy. Aim for a football that is exciting and a team which has a great chemistry. This was what gave the German team its success in the past and it is what reignited the passion for the team prior to the European Cup. You need a manager who puts the team above everything else. And a good bit of ambition will definitely help with that. So not saying shooting for the WC is a bad idea, just that it should be a secondary goal.
Der erste Satz ist on point!
"Gerrard's first bad patch and he is out" - his bad patch was the best part of 12 months, he had Villa in a relegation fight, made a vanity signing in Coutinho, Emery with the same players has Villa in Europe. Gerrard's European campaign would have been getting Villa playing away at Swansea
England signing a German manager is only a big 'thing' for English people. In fact, England vs Germany isn't even a big rivalry in Germany - their big rivalry is with the Dutch
@@EdwardD-q5p Really? I was going to say France, but to be honest England have a rivalry with most countries...
That's easy to say when Germany has always had a German coach.
@@godfreemorals the Dutch, the Italians and the French are far bigger rivals than England. However, all of these are purely based on duels of the past in football rather than historical ones. The only reason Germans want England to loose is because of the english ignorance and arrogance towards other nations (espacially towards Germany). Not having won anything apart the WC 66 and still acting like it's your god-given right to win any cup is just so weird in many eyes (I don't want to talk for all of us but probably the majority). Also it feels like time stood still the last 70 years on the British Isles as there is no other banter than WW2 against us...like come on, it's so easy to make fun of us in any shape or form, but repeating the same thing over and over just gets bland over time. I'm getting excited for any duel against our neighbours or rivals apart from England just because I already know that nothing funny will occur with the english Fans as there will be nothing but drunk people who want to get into fights, calling us Nazis and singing the 10 German Bombers song.
Greece appointed a German coach and went on to win the 2004 Euros. Scolari, a Brazilian, managed Portugal to a Euro final and World cup Semi. Hiddink managed South Korea to a World cup semi. Sven getting England to beat Germany 1:5 will forever be remembered. So a foreign manager can certainly work and I wish Tuchel well.
CAPELLO ,GORAN ERIKSSON. now Tuchel...Capello is Italian and Eriksson was Swedish..THE PROBLEM WITH Tuchel is that He is GERMAN.. The English nd Germans are best friends, how is it a problem 😅
I would argue they all underachieved. Southgate took England further than the achievements you referenced above
In fairness, the German coach of Greece was Rehagel. Arguably, and I know this will come as a shock for English football fans, the best manager that the game has ever seen.
I mean he won the Euros with fuckin Greece!
@@joggle0Southgate achieved lucky draws with one of the greatest generations of english talents ever. Against proper opposition get got schooled every time
@@IFCGaming fair point too. This England side should be better than Greece.
If Greece or Nigerian hire a foreign manager, I think it’s more understandable
No English managers are good enough for the job as England manager, and none of them have a proven winning track record. It is not hard to work out why the FA went for Tuchel.
Southgate came within a whisker of winning and every said he was useless
@@SimonFlynn-un1urbro beat 1 top nation in knockouts in 8 years, we has the easiest draws every tournament and the first top nation we face we lose… southgate was tactically pretty awful and it showed when we would play against a top coach
Tuchel best option out there, who cares if he’s German if he wins us the World Cup
Tuchel won't care either. Germans care about the 🇳🇱 rivalry, not one with England
He’ll have fallen out with everyone long before he makes it to any World Cup!
He really is the best available guy right now
@@olivertrewavas5465exactly they care about their neighbours and Italy
I reckon Brazil, Argentina, France and Italy supporters would care if they appointed a foreign manager. I don't have an issue with it but it's a sad reflection of English football.
I remember Vialli in his book said he noticed something about English football that not many people mention. He said in English football there wasn’t the class diversity that was in Italy or in other European countries. In Italy there were players from upper classes, middle classes and working class because football was very lucrative in Italy. In England wages were kept very low until the Premier League due to the maximum wage and the TV money being shared between all 4 divisions until 1992. This made football unattractive to working class people with a good formal question, middle class people and upper class people as they had the education to find more lucrative careers in other fields. So for 100 years only the least educated English people were in football. This created an anti-academic anti-intellectual culture in English football, where you call another player gay for reading a broadsheet newspaper and you have generation of generation of players who become coaches with out academic or formal good education to be a manager in the most sophisticated data analysis coaching today. Guardiola was working with a nuclear physicist from Harvard to better coach the movement of players. How is a former English pro-with 2 GCSEs going to compete with that?
It is changing because as the wages caught up with the top clubs in Europe, you are now seeing more middle class players in the English game like Bamford, Ward-Prowse, Tyrone Mings and Eric Dier and more highly educated working class players like Saka, Lookman, Hudson-odoi and Danny Welbeck, but it takes more than few generations to change 100 year culture of anti-intellectualism in English football.
Same changes in management. The younger English coaches do degrees, even post graduate degrees when they start their careers. Things are changing. Still very strong anti middle class bias in English football though.
@@HB2K-h8m Interesting to note that there's still a noticeable class divide between football and rugby, both in schools and in some towns and cities. I wonder if that's the case in other countries where football is the most popular sport?
@@scoggers1628 Well in England at the start of of 20th you had sport divided into class. The amateur sports like Rugby Union, Cricket and athletics were predominantly upper and middle class and the paid professional sports of football, rugby league, boxing were working class. Other countries didn’t have that divide, especially in football in Europe , where they had no maximum wage like England, keeping footballer salaries very low. That meant salaries footballers in Europe were higher and attractive to highly educated working class, middle class and upper class and you have more education people in football in Europe, you create a more intellectual and academic approach to football and tactics and that history has created an environment where better coaches can be produced.
If wages were not much higher for footballers than the average man, there was no incentive for educated working class, middle classes and upper classes to play football and use their education in another field. This creates a dumbed down football culture were an academic and intellectual approach to football was distrusted and even mocked and this has produced English coaches without the academic skills to coach in this modern era of football to a high level.
@@scoggers1628 As someone who attended an English private school during the mid-90s I can confirm that sports like football, basketball and boxing were very much looked down upon in favour of sports such as rugby, hockey and cricket.
Footballs were banned at my private school. So we played with tennis balls instead.
Possibly a mark of the man was when Chelsea was put up for sale, He was a class act dealing with the media and keeping the football side on an even keel. Not ideal another foreign manager but he’ll give it his best shot
Why with the men’s team is it such a problem in the media but the women’s coach who won isn’t English and is hailed? Makes zero sense
Because nobody cares about women's football
@@romanoonamor7690 but the media hailed her and the squad. Seen loads about how good she’s been etc. end of the day we haven’t produced anywhere near good enough coaches in this country for the calibre of the job and squad at hand
Cus no one cares
The men’s team means something. Nobody is invested in the women’s team so the media just pat them on the head.
@Jaxxx365 because the media are the ones falsely elevating women's football. It shows you they don't truly care about it that they won't hold it to the same standard. Just the ESG
Let's remember that the Lioness' won the Euros before us with a Dutch manager but we weren't complaining then 😭
Dutch are not our arch rivals, we didnt have 2 WWs v the Dutch, & noone cares about womens football
Exactly! The crying from the media that the men's team didn't get an English manager is pathetic
I can't remember that
Because the level of interest is completely different so silly comparison
@@ELCNUmorFnaMehT if u cant understand why there is divided opinion then you are simple. Id prefer to watch the last 45 mins of a light bulbs life rhan a half of Womens footballs,, it is terrible!!!🤣🤣
At least Tuchel won't be scared to drop Foden out as he WILL NOT pander to the English pundits & fanboys for a single second! 👏
Tuchel is the best appointment out of all the candidates. Why limit ourselves to English coaches? Nobody is going to care who the manager is if he wins something.
You have to be a lunatic to manage England so tuchel fits the bill😂😂
@@michaelpower4372 not wrong 🤣
Alan is not reliably informed. They spoke to Eddie Howe and he didn't want it. He must be the smart one.
Good luck to Thomas. I hope he is a success.
What is with always wanting an English manager? It hasn't worked for England since Sir Alf Ramsey in 1966! Eddie Howe is a good manager, no international experience and hasn't won any real trophies, Graham Potter, hasn't won anything, Sean Dyche, Rob Edwards, Gary O'Neill, Michael Carrick etc.. Having someone like Tuchel who has won a champions league with Chelsea, won the league with PSG and Bayern Munich and won the German Cup with Dortmund, that is better pedigree. Yes it isn't Pep but its significantly better than Southgate.
Even southgate and Tuchel in the same sentence is pretty insulting
Signed his contract last Tuesday, Carsley comments make complete sense now
Yep - he knew.
'I didn't even want the job *cry face*'
He'd make a terrible liar though 😂
Tuchel's greatest strength is he'll have the stones to leave a star player out if he believes the collective will be better.
I hope so, I guess the last England manager like that, was Glenn Hoddle, but he was also a bit crazy.
As a villa fan Gerrard was absolutely terrible for us and getting rid of him was the best thing the clib did. Unai basically came in and showed him up immediately. Gerrard was so good he is now in Saudi Arabia btw
Gents, no English manager in the last 30 years has won -
UCL
Premier League
La Liga
Serie A
Bundesliga
Ligue 1
Thomas Tuchel has won a champions league, Southgate managed Middlesborough.
Enough said
Teams like Germany and Spain, as well as Argentina etc., are still there so there is no guarantee whatsoever that Tuchel will win anything. Remember also that managing a country is very different to managing a club. It would not suite some managers and maybe that would include Klopp and Pep. Hopefully, Tuchel will be suited to managing England and I would certainly expect a big improvement.
Thats always the case in international football isn’t
It?
7:35 - 9:40 thats the sound of the hammer hitting the nail on the head. Totally agree with Gary - being stuck in the old English way of playing/coaching has cost you dearly in terms of coaching development. Even look at club - all your successful managers at club level are foreigners. Failure to adapt your playing style to something more modern whilst other countries mainly go with domestic names and have developed unique yet modern styles. Its finally caught up with England.
Our only options were Eddie Howe or Graham Potter. They didn't want to pay the compensation for Howe and he doesn't seem interested in taking it. Potter has had one good season at Brighton, hardly an outstanding resume (Howe's isn't amazing either). So where else were they going to go?
At least they aren't German after all they've done over the years it's a disgrace. No doubt this is a ploy by the Germans.
Southgate had done nothing special before England.
@@flaggerify If they were going to go down the Southgate road they could have just given it to Carsely, I would have been fine with that.
Very happy with the appointment - Mikah was right here (2:38) when he said we don't have an English manager good enough, so this idea that we're somehow doing ourselves a disservice by hiring a more impressive foreign candidate is absolute nonsense. To choose an English manager over Tuchel would be to spite your nose to save your face.
You can coach up all the English managers you want, but if they can't step up to the plate and walk through the door then it's no fault of the FA
Why is it only Villa fans that can see how bad it truly got under Gerrard? The football we played was some of the worst I’ve ever seen. Gerrard turned every foundation that Dean Smith set in place completely toxic, then with basically the same players, Emery sends us from a relegation threat to Europe. Gerrard was dreadful at Villa, it wasn’t just ‘one bad spell and he’s gone.’
Think most neutral/rivals fans can see it too, seems to be just the English pundits wanting to be gracious to him.
Everyone knows this it's just ex players protecting their mates as always.
TT at Chelsea was loved by the fans and we had full length height banners in our stadium. It was his personality and passion. His tactics and formations were creative and it was only the end with the new owners and TT wanted to change all the players that he left but even then many of our fans wanted to keep him. So England is a great and bold decision. He will connect with the young players and finally he will employ at 3241 which i have been saying forever about Southgate and TT is his formation there, certainly forwards. He will organise Bellingham with Rice as double pivot and Bellingham will be the more forward passing link to the 5 forwards. He will use two 10’s slightly the the left and right with Foden and Palmer and Saka on the right and Grealish or Gordon on the left with Kane at front. I feel we are finally getting somewhere with the national team!
I just feel now that our new manager will be a strength for us going into the big games - rather than a weakness - and that’s going to be a great feeling. I really hope it works out!
Will be interesting to see whether Tuchels appointment gives the players a bit more confidence as well. Also put a good kinda pressure on players to preform because as a player looking over at the dugout I know who id be more scared of letting down and it wouldn’t be a manager like Southgate who doesn’t have any real presence about him
What is Micah Richards on about? The Bundesliga is known notoriously for their high lines and he’s saying they play low blocks…
Was tempted to stop listening when he said that. Has he watched a Bundesliga game in the last decade? They all do nothing but ultra high line.
Tuchel is a great manager, he could actually win a trophy for us, great job by FA.
Tucel had signed a contract last week, everyone not knowing every single thing doesn’t mean it happened quickly
At Chelsea he played three at the back because that is what they were suited for and Frank just refused to play it. An old Thiago Silva and Azi were made for a 3. Reece and Ben were the prototype wingbacks at that time, they had 3 midfielders that could play the pivot at a plus level and they had three young energetic forward players. Tuchel will find what suits this England squad, whether it be a 3 or not
We are not producing top managers at the moment, so why not Tuchel
Hardly surprising given 14 managers in the EPL are foreign
CAPELLO ,GORAN ERIKSSON. now Tuchel...Capello is Italian and Eriksson was Swedish..THE PROBLEM WITH Tuchel is that He is GERMAN.. The English nd Germans are best friends, how is it a problem 😅
@@AndrewMcgill-j5c Never said it was surprising, I just said we are not producing them
I think Tuchel is a clever choice. He's a modern manager with a bit more tactical nous than Southgate and a track record of winning trophies. Who cares where he's from?? That's always our problem and why we haven't been successful imo!
Best appointment possible in current context.
‘You cant get tthe english job without knowing what youre doing’ ahh yes, exactly how the championship level manager southgate got hired right?
You mention English managers like Gerrard and Lampard but they both shot themselves in the foot by rushing to the Premier League too soon. It's not a division for young managers. We need English coaches to go abroad and learn their trades but too few of them do. Look how many Italians, Spanish and Portuguese coaches are scattered around the globe vs English
Good point. Look at Mourinho at Barca, ETH who went to BAyern youth. Tuchel spent best part of a decade doing hard work at Mainz youth and Augsburg 2 and was successful there to turn the head of Dortmund bosses and the rest is history. He became a top manager in that environment that Ex england players have just skipped based on their name. (look at arteta under pep, Nagelsman under tuchel. They all did the hard work in lower leagues or as assistant first).
If it was guardiola or klopp no one would be saying anything negative - I think all players, managers and staff should be from the country they represent
Tuchel replacing Southgate is the biggest upgrade in football history!
i wonder if he will have plans for greenwood? look whether he did or didn't do what he was accused of, we will never know it never went to trial. however his ON field ability and his performance makes him by far the best English player currently playing anywhere in the world, and the prospect of him going to Jamaica to win nothing is crazy it will be a waste of natural talent.
The first problem Tuchel will have with the media is his 3-4-3 system with the width coming from the wingbacks which were Chillwell and James at Chelsea. It means wingers like Saka, Grealish, Gordon, Noni etc will miss out unless he plays them as wing backs. Also another attacker will miss out because of the extra defender at the back. It will probably be Kane up front with Foden and Palmer behind as the front 3. Saka or Gordon might move to left wingback since we don’t have a good fit one regularly.
Or he will change his system to suit the players he has to choose from
21:52 This is how I know people haven't watched Tuchel other than when he was at Chelsea. His Dortmund and PSG teams were VERY attacking. He only played more pragmatically at Chelsea because he didn't have the attackers to play attacking football.
16:59 I've never heard Gary sound so posh before
Youre doing it wrong Lineker. You need to shout as loud as you can when you say hello and blow our eardrums out like Goldbridge, or we just wont listen 😂
A German boss … Gary is hating this and I love it
why on earth would they bother talking to Eddie Howe? On a fat contract, at a super rich club with an eye to a long-term plan. Even if it was offered to him i can’t imagine he’d say yes.
Eddie Howie isn’t ready. He’s an up and coming manager, he’s got a job to finish at Newcastle.
When you're ready you're ready. Look at Arteta.
@@flaggerify Arsenal is not England
@@frozenembrioable Football is football.
At the end of the day it's the lads on the field that produce the goods. The manager is the person to get the best out of what is available to him and organise the tactics to beat the successive opposition. I wish him all the best. If we win the next world cup, years later it will be the lads on the pitch that will be revered and yes Tuchel will get a mention of course but the 2nd star on the shirt will dismiss all the canter of questions regarding being a German, he will be our German :)
The first time in over 10 years we've got a manager who's won a major trophy, good.
He's never won a title anywhere that wasn't a one-team league.
@@omgblastbeatslol Wokegate wouldnt win a Champions League
@@UsuallyTrolling Maybe not, but winning a cup competition just isn't as difficult. Liverpool won the Champions League in 05 with a much worse squad than that Chelsea team.
@@omgblastbeatslol the World Cup is a cup competition
@@steel.oneill True, but the teams involved aren't concurrently competing in any leagues. I'd say that the split focus at club level is arguably what makes cup competitions easier to win.
I actually just checked, all World champions have had a National coach, so this would be a first foreigner coach world champion if they make it
The nerve of some English fans not wanting a manager who has won trophies all over Europe. Humble yourselves. England haven't won anything since the TV was in black and white.
Thomas Tuchel once said he has unfinished business in England....... Now he will be very happy with this current talented English squad !
Get the best man for the job.
90% of people do not care where theyre from. We were so close under Southgate. Lets get the best man available to finish the job.
Weigman won Euros for Womens National team and no one complained where she was from.
Tuchel won a Champions League title against Pep with a team that had less talent than Pep. First class manager.
Greece 2004 won with a german.
Baffles me how people think Potter or Howe would be good for the job. What top tournament experience do they have exactly? Not to mention Potter's dire stint at Chelsea
Guys. Please stop re-writing Gerrard's time at Villa. He had a brief good spell right when he joined, and the rest was dreadful. Was he supposed to relegate us? The fact Unai comes in and immediately qualifies for Europe...
Just a reminder that Carsley represented Ireland at international level
Gary missed the Elephant in the room here... "great sides always have managers of the same nation when they win trophies". Yes Gary this is true.
What if you have no proven managers available to you? What then? We've just had an English manager that had ZERO history of winning anything and look what happened. Fuck all trophies. Everyone forgets the guy before that, Big Sam. Zero Trophy potential.
Yes having a coach of the same nationality is splendid. But only if the manager themself is good...
Now you will win the World Cup 2026!, with so many fantastic offensive Players in the team. Thomas know that.Greetings from Germany
Can someone explain to me why Howe is the outstanding English candidate? At no point has he proved he's capable of winning anything. Took Newcastle to 4th, great. If thats the sum of amibition then England will continue to flop in finals.
Why cause he is better than any other english manager in the last years. The only one you could argue did better in terms of results is southgate
@@zirbto5749no he’s not he couldn’t even beat a shit United team in the Micky mouse cup ffs and then last season he fell of a cliff and not that great this season
We dont want a manager that the players trust. We need a manager that trusts the players
I don’t think too many people care about his nationality tbh, it’s not like he’s the first foreign coach we’ve had and there’s no outstanding English candidate for the job right now!
We don't have an English coach available and the FA are too tight to chase Eddie Howe and pay the compensation required
The obsession with the England manager being English really pisses me off. Yes it’s nice to be patriotic but that on its own won’t win tournaments for England. Cracking manager with a proven track record of silverware at most clubs he’s been at.
Fantastic appointment by the FA. Plays a decent style of attacking football too. As long as he wins games and delivers in a major tournament, what England fan is going to complain? 100% behind him. Probably the smartest appointment of the national manager I’ve seen in my lifetime. If we’re going to take that final step to become tournament winners we need a man who’s been there and done it at the highest level. Tuchel is that man. Aside from Pep, who was completely unrealistic anyway it’s the best possible outcome. Carsley would never have cut the mustard. I’m usually underwhelmed by England managerial appointments but I’m genuinely excited by this one. Good things are coming. I can feel it.
Welcome Thomas! 🇩🇪🏴🦁
100% agree. It's stupid
@@ashajeer2383 never understood it. Go out and get the best candidate for the job and he’s right up there. The women’s side took Weigman and she’s won the Euros and almost won the World Cup. The strategy works.
With the array of talent we have, why wouldn’t he want to have a crack at it? Good luck to him
Capello had won everything
Have to disagree. It's not about being patriotic necessarily; for me the whole point of national teams existing as opposed to club teams, is that they are supposed to represent that given nation. If we accept being able to recruit foreign managers, what is the distinction in principle that should stop countries being able to recruit foreign players?
@@alfexsinosystems9205 listen, if it goes tits up it goes tits up but fair play to the FA for bringing in one of the best possible candidates.
Happy to see all of you are hurt.
Yours truly,
A United fan.
Gary’s take on Gerrard is so far off the mark!
He was hopeless other than the usual new manager bounce.
Had no idea on tactics and got found out!
Alex Fergusson was like that, would've been sacked in the modern era. Hard to judge managers now, as they aren't given time to get out of a slump.
@@sharpvidtubeHad Gerrard managed a team to a European trophy, beating Madrid in the final? They’re not remotely comparable.
By the way Gary and Alan, having a good coach development programme doesn't exclude tbose English coaches from having ambitions in Europe or further afield but that doesn't mean they are the right fit for this particular vacancy and surely thats better than having a less well travelled coach feom Manchester or whatever who knows England and English but zero about the opposition and their ways of playing
It's clear the FA want a proven record of winning trophies, in the hope that the coach can translate that. No English coach has that. The last English manager to win a 'big' competition was Harry 'I set up bank accounts for my pets' Redknapp. The FA had tried approaching from within and while the environment has transformed, crossing the all important, coveted line has eluded the team. Who out there has shown flexibility in terms of tactics to the same level that Tuchel has?
I don't particularly care what nationality the coach is. I care about seeing the team playing positive attacking football that is cohesive throughout the pitch. That's the big challenge, given the lack of time a national coach has these days with his group of players. What I don't want to see, ever again, is the team playing like they did in the last tournament.
Thomas Tuchel is the best man for the job.
Once an Englishman has won a Premier League title, then talk.
I hope the press give him a chance
The players are coached by their clubs. England needs a Manager who can manage the tactics that maximises the players ability according to how they are coached at their clubs.
If they want them to play differently, they have less than a week at a time to coach them to it
Love these 3 but this is little England mentality.
Little England mentality. Wonder who invented the modern game.. Silly immature lefty term.
It’s also down to the clubs. They need to take chances on the English coaches. That’s is the only way to gain experience…. The clubs do not want to take risks. As it comes down to money.
We have no outstanding English managers because the big teams all hire the best man for their job as they should. Are they supposed to hire Sol Campbell, Rooney, Southgate, Lampard, Gerrard instead of their current managers? Maybe there should be a rule in the premier league that all assistant managers should be English to learn under these great foreign managers
The fact is that England has no quality players in the premiership or any managers to take control of the English team. The premiership is made up of foreign players.
Don't understand the point of same national coach, England women's team did win the euro with the new dutch coach, did they hate it?
I think it's kinda cool to see a foreign manager in charge! Maybe Tuchel can bring some fresh ideas that work for England. His style might just fit the big stage vibes we need. 🤔⚽
Capello number
Gerrard was unbelievably toxic at Villa - proved himself totally inept
To get the top coaching badges, it costs ten times more in England than in Germany. I think that may have something to do with the lack of top English managers.
Big Meeks and his comment about Dutch Steve 😂😂
The obvious question is where were all the English candidates?
The last English manager to win the league was Howard Wilkinson with Leeds in 1992.
The last English manager to even finish second was Kevin Keegan with Newcastle in 1996.
The last English manager to win a European trophy was Bobby Robson with Barcelona in 1997.
The last English manager to win any trophy (in England) was Harry Redknapp’s FA Cup win with Portsmouth in 2008.
The last English manager to win any major title was Steven Gerrard with Rangers in 2021 - and he’s in Saudi Arabia now.😄
I think the increased prestige of the Champions League has had a knock-on effect with the so-called “Big Clubs” in England, who seem reluctant to hire English managers.
Man Utd haven’t had an English manager since 1986.
Liverpool have had 2 English managers in the PL era; Roy Evans was ousted for Gerard Houllier in 1998 after one League Cup win and a couple of top 4 finishes; Roy Hodgson didn’t last the season when he was hired in 2010.
Arsenal have not had an English manager since 1986.
Chelsea, to give them some credit, have hired 2 in recent years; however, one could also argue that those appointments ultimately torpedoed their careers after relatively short, unsuccessful spells in charge.
Hopefully, Newcastle will continue to build with Eddie Howe and they’ll win something. It would be nice to see Graham Potter get a similar project somewhere else too (Everton perhaps, after a takeover and the move to the new stadium).
As for Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney, they have some rebuilding to do, though they’re all still very young.
Alan them photos on the wall not spaced right is driving me mad 😂
It doesn't matter where the coach is from so long as they give the team an identity so everyone knows what they're supposed to do. Because yes, our players are technically better than ever before but they still don't have the tactical understanding or game management ability to compete with the very best teams from Europe and South America. So often our players look clueless on the ball, regardless of how good they are for their clubs. So we need a manager to give them that identity and to give them the tactical guidance (in training and from the touchline) that England will need if they want to win something.