What if Don Corleone accepted Sollozzo's offer? | The Godfather Explained
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It’s always interesting with The Godfather to ponder on what could have potentially happened had characters made alternative decisions. What if Sonny hadn’t lost his temper and gone after Carlo in a rage after he beat his sister? What if Done Corleone didn’t sent Luca Brasi to the Turk to make him think Luca wanted out of the family, when he was known for his loyalty to Vito? What if Sonny hadn’t spoken out of turn at the meeting with Sollozzo? And what if Don Corleone actually accepted Sollozzo’s offer? - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
*Was the actor who played Clemenza fired from The Godfather Part II?*
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Richard S Castellano. He was the nephew of Paul 'Big Paullie' Castellano, who was a senior Capo of the Gambino's in 1972
before taking over from his brother-in-law, Carlo Gambino, as boss in 1976.
No he refused to play the traitor so they made tesio
@@rubytuesday5446 Tessio was the traitor when Mario Puzo first wrote the book, years before any actors had been cast for the film.
Richard S Castellano who played the part was supposedly the highest paid actor in terms of direct salary in the original Godfather (Brando made more in total through profit-sharing). When it came time for the second Godfather movie, his demands both in terms of money and creative input became impossible. Among other things, he wanted to write all his lines. He wasn't fired. They just declined to hire him based on the terms he set down.
His wife later claimed that the dispute was over Castellano betraying Michael in the second film and the expected weight Castellano was supposed to be at for the movie. Both stories are consistent in that they both have him making serious demands for creative input into the script and story.
@@Jim-Tuner Coppola's version of the events is dubious. Castellano had contended in his last interview, that the contract was settled. Did he want to write his own dialogue? That's another claim by Coppola, although Castellano did improv some of his lines in the original (the spaghetti recipe and "take the cannoli" for example). Castellano was also to play Clemenza in the DeNiro scenes as well as the 1950s scenes. Coppola wanted him to lose 50 pounds for the younger version. He was only 36 when Part II was filmed, so it would have worked. Whatever, the issue, Part II is a lesser movie without Castellano. Michael V. Gazzo was good, but Castellano in that role would have almost stole the picture. His character's arc would have been as large as Michael's.
Sonny made a mistake opening his mouth. Sollozo made a fatal mistake thinking sonny and micheal would put buisness over family.
"What guarantee can I give? I am the hunted one! You think too much of me, kid. I'm not that clever."
Vito knew it was a setup, there was never any deal. It was written all over Sollozzo's face when Vito asked him about the deal and the other family's involvement and he had no answers. The Don was just very careless at that time not having more security and sending Luca to spy which was not what Luca was meant for. Barzini knew he was being careless by allowing a photographer to roam around his daughter's wedding. The other families thought that was the best time to take out Vito there by the Carleones would lose half their strength and Sonny would be forced to sue for peace.
True, but Michael took care of them all. They underestimated the Corleone name. And what they were capable of.
The photographer would have been someone well known and trusted by Don Vito Corleone, probably someone who was personally helped by the Don with immigration papers?
@@maratonlegendelenemirei3352 if that was the case the photographer would have known better then to take random pictures of guests at a mafia wedding
@@No-One-of-Consequence I agree with you. Inasmuch as the beautifully crafted GF was, this Luca Brasi's assignment seemed out of context...
Vito wasn't careless. Barzini made him an offer he couldn't accept even if he did. It was explained in the movie that if Vito accepted drugs all the families gained more money, including Corleones. But while more money seems fantastic short-term, in the long run the Corleones would lose the political and legal connections they had before the drugs and thus lose the key structure of their No 1 position in the crime world. By sending Luca (a man who had no fear of death) Vito knew it was a dangerous situation and he didn't want to risk losing anyone who's smarter than Luca but also didn't want to make anyone a double-agent who would switch sides for more money. When Solozzo killed Luca, the inevitable war started.
To answer the hypothetical about Michael: had Don Vito made the unwise decision to sanction the drug trade, the family would not have faced the immediate crisis of Vito's assassination (unless Barzini found another pretext) and would have been drawn inexorably into the quagmire of the narcotics trade, destroying any facade of honorable business that might appeal to Michael. The novel emphasizes how alienated Michael was from the family before the attempt on Vito's life; had Vito gone in with the Turk, that gulf would have widened, and Michael would have ridden his education and war record to success in a more bourgeois vein.
"destroying any facade of honorable business that might appeal to Michael" --> you think Michael did not trade in narcotics after he took the power?
@@vitoanania6042 Michael participated as little as he could in the drug business. His main rackets were gambling, brothels, smuggling to some extent and investing in corporate dictatorships. Michael's hatred of the drug trade would have been a big plot point in the cancelled fourth movie where his successor doesn't abide by the same ideology and instead dives head on into the drug trade.
Agreed. Eventually the Don would have died and Sonny would have taken over. He would have been assassinated due to his impulsive actions. Michael would never had been Don and would have ascending to be attorney General and fight organized crime. Tom Hagen would have been Don after sonny and he would have kept the peace with the other families
@@davidmullineaux6157 Hagen is not a Sicilian. He will never ever become a Don. Nice try though with your scriptwriting.
@@sf4656 what do they do if the Don's heirs are deceased? U think Michael would still have been the new Don? Or Fredo?
Actually asked myself this very question many times. That was when I came to the realization that eventually, Barzini would've attempted taking down Don Corleone in a different fashion. And understanding that the participants would be in the middle of a drug war, as Tom Hagen would put it: _"Even the old man's political protection would run for cover!"_
Mhm. I like this idea. It feels legitimate.
Yep. The deal was let us run the operation in your territory for a cut. And you handle protection.
When you scrutinize every move of the Corleone family in the godfather you see that almost all the mistakes are made by Vito's family, not him. Don Corleone, like his son Michael is simply smarter than everyone else, including Solozzo and Barzini. It is true as it states in this video that by Vito turning down Solozzo he weakened the OTHER families as well. With all the illegal drug revenue Barzini and Tattaglia would have earned how many other inroads could they have made into the Corleone domains? As intelligent as Solozzo and Barzini obviously were, they did a poor job concealing their deceit. Their intentions were out in the open and therefore more easily dealt with. Don Corleone and Michael wanted to make it look as if their family was in ruin and easy pickings for the wolf Barzini. Attacking from a perceived weakness is far greater than attacking from a perceived strength!Barzini underestimated Vito and Michael and it cost him his empire and his life.
The families that wanted Vito gone used the turk, they tried to dump taking Vito out all in his lap. Vito didn't discover it was the other heads of the families until he was bringing Michael home in the truce sit down.
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I disagree. The biggest mistake was the Don replacing Genco with Tom as his consigliere who didn't adequately vet the Turk's deal, never uncovered Barzini's involvement and then proved not to be war-time council.
Don Schmidt yes Vito is very intelligent and experienced in matters to do with the street/mafia. One of his main strengths is he can read people, work them out pretty quickly and put himself in there shoes to try and work out if they can be trusted or not. At the meeting with the turk, he offers the Don this brilliant deal and Vito replies with what have I done to deserve this generosity? In other words the deal is too good to be true. There must be a catch. If the Don realises one day that the family is under threat because they are not in the drugs business and every other family is and they are raking it in which could lead to the Corleone foot soldiers and captains ect wanting to join rival families, then I think Vito would make his own arrangements to who supplies the family drugs not someone like the turk.
Completely disagree..he neutered himself by not at least giving the appearance of being interested.. shortsighted and frankly dumb..also he should have forseen Tom being ill equipped to be a consigliere..long term and legitimate, yes..but he left his main enforcer vulnerable and didn't anticipate a murder.. should have never let him gone completely alone, although obviously Luca Brasi could handle it..but not 3 against 1...Vito was not very smart
Interesting!🤔
Vito turned Sollozo down because after the meeting… he summoned Luca Brasi : and said :” I’m a little nervous about this Sollozo Fellow… I want you to find out what he’s got under his fingernails… go to the Tattaligias and make them think your not to happy with our family and find out what you can ….” Implying that Vito never trusted Sollozo and saw through his offer as nothing but a lie…
*YOU'RE not TOO happy
Vito knew the turk would never come to him on his own. That's why he wanted to see who was supporting him. Remember he tried to reason w/Michael probably because Vito didn't die & the ones who were backing him wanted to distance themselves from him.
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You send Luca to torture to kill not to investigate. For all the greatness we heap on Vito- that was a bum move.
If Don Vito didn’t trust Sollozo it was all the more reason to accept the deal and keep him close while he figures out what to do
There would have been an assassination attempt on Vito later even if he initially accepted the deal. Once the political protection was set up for narcotic rackets, Barzani would have set up a move on Vito in order to consolidate power.
It's the one element that sets them apart from the other families.
This imo adds to our respect for their "story."
"You think too much of me kid, I'm not that clever"
I wish we would’ve seen sonny as the war time don more. I know it’s not necessarily as important to the story long term, but still would’ve been cool to see. He was a hot head but one of my favorite characters
That's the only flaw of the movie
He's my favorite for sure! Sonny's one of the main reasons I lean towards One.
@@dr3dg352 what is One?
I recently read a 1970 Mario Puzo first draft of the script without Francis Ford Coppola...it opens with a Michael/Kay love scene.....and in the meeting between Vito and the Five Families, Vito admits to making a mistake in not embracing the drug biz when offered to him.....the draft was from August 1970
on my dvd copy Mario Puzo admitted to having the whole script in his head for a fourth Godfather movie, about the great war 10years before the first movie.
unfortunately the studio wasnt interested and puzo never wrote it as a book
Exactly what you said. Had Vito taken the deal he would have been weakened in the long run.
His refusal shows what a great mind he had.
He has weaknesses too. The book shows how his old fashioned views hold the family back in some respects. Him refusing to deal with Carlo's abuse cost Sonny his life and drugs were the next big thing and as Tom said the other families can use that money to buy off the politicians and other contacts that he values so much.
@@lindefann8311I agree but with Vito he believed in family.
I think the book points out no one should get involved in someone marriage.
What cost Sonny his life was his temper.
I do see your point and it's a good one.
It's Vito's old fashioned attitude that no one should interfere with a marriage but I think that's wrong under the circumstances which is that Connie is being abused by Carlo and I do think the Don should have intervened. A word or two from him would have been enough. I think what happened with Sonny was somewhat predictable and could have been avoided by The Don taking action and perhaps including Carlo a little more in the family. I do agree though that Sonny's temper was also the cause and if this situation had been avoided his temper would probably have cost him his life regardless, just a little later. Thanks for listening. I enjoyed reading your thoughts on the subject.
Excellent analysis. Powerful, intelligent and ambitious leaders always examine the permutations of a plan and never assume only one possible outcome. Barzini grossly underestimated Michael which was arrogant and his plan to eliminate Michael was not as well conceived or detailed due to his assumptions about Michael. The price of carelessness is high as Vito told Michael.
Barzini didn't really underestimate anything. Both Vito's surviving his shooting and Michael the car bombing was pure luck.
I've always wondered if Don Corleone's 'influence' over police and politicians might have been overexaggerated. Sollozzo went to him asking for 'protection' from cops and judges and yet Sollozzo had the police chief as his personal bodyguard?
Makes you think.
Judges and politicians.
Also, having one New York police captain in your pocket is nothing massive. There are many police captains in New York as it is a massive city with dozens of police precincts.
Police chief is local to a district or city. Don Corleone’s influence is far reaching and can protect the dirty trade during transport not just at the point of sale.
*Captain.
McClusky was middle management.
Edit: google says that there are currently 450 officers with the rank of captain in the NYPD.
It was a police captain, not a police chief. As a captain in the police, he was able to be an untouchable bodyguard for Sollozzo because of his rank within the police. He was also able to do some favors like arresting the bodyguards at the hospital. But controlling one police captain would not give someone vast influence over the whole of the police in the city.
"Gangsters who get high off their own drugs become reckless and dangerous" CHRISTOFUUUUUUH!
He did-dent
Damn bro u got a reply
Tony Montana
What are you supposed to do, sell your drugs to only buy them from someone else for more money?
The image that came to my mind at this statement was Henry Hill.
Great analysis of a fictional scenario, making the story more realistic and multi-layered than what Puzo had probably originally thought up.
Clemenza hated "those G-D Barzinis." It was Barzini all along.
I always thought it was very stupid for Vito to send Brasi to spy.
Vito did that for other reasons not for what it looks like. A hidden agenda
Vito knew that it was a set-up as he was against drugs and never would have taken Sollzzo offer.
Had he really been against drugs:
1) He would have opted not to meet Solozzo at all
2) At the peace negotiations with other bosses he would not have permitted the drug trade on his turf. In case it was unavoidable - he would have retired and let the new boss handle it.
@@VersusARCH it was not purely about being against drugs. Vito knew it was a set up and wanted to find out who was really behind it so he met Solozzo to draw out as much info as he could.
I do believe that even though Vito didn't want to go into the drug business he still accepted money that came from selling drugs. Bosses made it clear "you deal you die" but all that really meant was don't get caught.
I agree. It’s a bit like George Jung’s key mistake in the movie Blow: by introducing Diego to his West Coast distributor, Derek. After that, Diego no longer had any reason to keep George around and just cut him out. It wouldn’t happen at first, but eventually the other families would map out Vito’s connections and then get rid of The Godfather as expensive overhead.
I always thought that was the weakest plot point in the story. Really? It's hard to sell coke in Hollywood?
Very interesting to examine other angles. I once in a while wonder myself but do not have the bandwidth to go into such detail. Thank you Cine Ranter.
Question: When Vito met with the heads of the other families he ultimately agreed to the drug deal and in return he wanted no repercussions against Michael. Did the drug importation and distribution get off the ground without Sulozzo or was this a ruse as Vito had no intention of honoring the drug deal because in the back of his mind he was going to assassinate all of them anyway?
That’s a great and completely overlooked question. If I’m not mistaken it still took another year after the meeting with the 5 families to get Michael home.
So they had to have been involved with the drug trade for at least a year but the movie and the book never mentioned how this went.
Definitely something that was skipped over and somewhat of a plot hole.
Not a plot hole. It was a way of buying enough time with the other Dons so he could come up with a plan to get the heat off of Michael and get him home; then put the next act of the play into effect.
The GF was protecting Michael to make him Don. When he swore “I will not be the one to break the peace.” The GF had in mind that Michael would be the one carrying out the sentence against the heads of all the other families.
@@jrb2280 Really good question. But I think, as the other commentor said, it was kind of irrelevant because they used that little time, while proceeding with the deal, to design a plot to take out the other 5 families. So we can assume something was happening although it wasn't addressed in the movie
Love these Godfather videos.
Brings out many insightful points of the movie/story that flew over my head for years.
Solozzo is a classic Market Disrupter. He has the vision, the idea, and the goal, but he’s taking on the Monopoly (The Corleones). Monopolies are only interested in an idea if they have complete control. Cooperation and taking in what they see as an upstart is of no interest.
It’s only when the Market Disrupter shocks the Monopoly that the Monopoly takes notice and starts a market war. In this case, it’s a literal war, but in economic terms it’s a battle for a segment of the market share and a new customer base.
how tf is your name Christian Zafiroglu are you Turkish or Christian? That's like someone's name beinf Christian Mohammed what's up with that
@@anon_148 He's probably a mutt
Xcrysis lamao fr, or Mohammed jesus 😂
I have never understood why Don Vito sent Luca Brassi to go under cover when everyone knew that he was totally devoted to Don Vito
If you read the book it will explain everything why he sent Luca
The funny thing is. The notion of "Refusal is not the act of a friend" Barzini as well as "It's just business, nothing personal" were the exact same strategies used by Michael, very early, to take out Solazzo, and later Moe Green, specially, along with the Dons.
Michael made sure to give an offer Moe Green would refuse, hence repeating the fact that "Refusal is not the act of a friend"
He knew it was Bartini because there is an orange infront of Barzini.
Dude...the angles on this one is A1!! Good job!!
That was one hell of an analysis ! thank you for sharing
Intriguing to ponder about all the "What ifs". Had Don Corleone taken the deal, then likely Michael would have never entered the family business and consequently Sonny would have been placed in charge after Vito's death (natural or otherwise). While Sonny did prove to be a great war time Don, does he have the vision to lead the Corleone family? He was open to new ideas and if Tom Hagan was still Consigliere, he would hopefully temper Sonny's rashness with more a thoughtful and insightful decision making.
What confused me was why Vito allowed himself to be open to attack so easily after he knew something was shady about the Turks deal?
Surely 10 years prior he would have seen this possibly coming and doubled on his security as a defensive measure?
I always had the knowledge of this plan in the back of my mind while view, but it took this analysis to bring the more dynamic intricacies of Barzini's plan to be realized. Very nice.
Very insightful
Vito literally said Santino was a bad don.
CineRanter..you are breaking this down exactly how it has to be. My bro and I had this conversation some years back..lol. Barzini was all about being the top power here in the states, and to be the major conduit for his Sicilian drug partners in Italy, from where Sollozzo originally came. They were always going to go after Don Vito at some point. This was about here in America "Capo di tutti i Capi"..The first 5 families war Vito won and Barzini had to take a backseat so to speak..but in this new war, he planned to get Vito out all the way. Regardless of acceptance of the deal or not Vito was going as Barzini saw it.. Had Vito accepted the deal, that would have been a sign of weakness to Barzini as well. When Sollozzo showed up, that actually meant the war was on but Don Vito didn't see it clearly...and Hagen didn't see it at all as Consigiliere. Barzini had it all lined up before Sollozzo met with him..."The Turk" with his Sicilian affiliation and the other families supporting the enterprise here. For the don to stay alive he was either going to have to fight or let major parts of his family get absorbed into the Barzini family enterprise.
Exactly. Barzini was very smart, Don Vito was smart but had lost some sharpness over time and his war time consigliere died.Michael states in the movie that the key for there enemies is killing his father, that’s it, they were never going to stop trying to kill him. Barzini wanted to be the man, he wanted what Don Vito had, everything, period. If Don Vito had accepted the deal, all it would’ve done is buy time before Barzini would’ve killed him and because The Don was still very intelligent, Barzini would’ve tried quickly before he could figure him out and regroup. Michael was the wildcard because he was initially not in the family business and they didn’t know how smart, cunning and ruthless he actually was. When Don Vito died, they thought Michael was smart young college guy civilian punk l that couldn’t go toe-to-toe with Barzini, which is why Tessio made his deal with Barzini setting Michael up and Barzini openly disrespected Michael by taking congratulations at Don Vito’s funeral. It took balls to kill the police captain but the old timers like Barzini probably thought he was young and got lucky, not a war time boss who could really fight and outthink him or the other bosses.
A well thought out hypothesis. I agree with your conclusions right down the line.
The picture at 5:30 looks like an old school federal surveillance picture. Even includes someone unknowingly staring at the camera 😂
The more I think about it I think The Godfather is the greatest film ever made. What other film is analysed and as influential as much as this? Coppola is a genius
This was really good 👍 👏
I am so glad I tripped over your channel
Probably what was predicted. In reality, the actual mob did turn to narcotics dealing after Prohibition, and individuals like Vito Genovese were pursued. Drugs--bad; gambling--safe. The choice for the Corleones was easy, despite Sonny's foolishness. They move into gambling in Las Vegas, where it was legal, and welcomed as a huge moneymaker, and avoid narcotics. Genovese died in prison.
Its been a looong time since i read the book, but i seems to recall that even thought the corleone were offered the deal because of vitos conections, some of his connections would stop supporting him if they knew he entered the drug bussines. So probably barzini knew that if the corleone accepted the deal, they would be weaken for a little while, time were he cold make a move.
Sollozzo is a visionary. He was way ahead of his time
He was also good with a knife.
Sollozzo was really representing his Sicilian partners in Sicily. He had heroin processing plants in Sicily and in Turkey.
@@nagone11 and he did time in Turkey and Sicily.
Don Corleone : I admire you Sollozzo, you're a visionary, remember me when you get to the top....
Sollozzo: Ah DC you're Full of shit
Anyone recognise the dialogue 🤣
SOLLOZZO shipped heron hidden in meatballs mama mia that's a spicy meatball
The Don would’ve never taken that deal by Sollozano.
He knew the availability to all that $$$ from such a deal wasn’t worth losing his connections in the Political & Law Enforcement Sphere in the long run.
The Don was a Practical Man who saw the Big Picture & weighed the options as-to how they may affect his family 1st, & 2nd, what the ramifications of such an act may present itself in the long term.
This is why the Don’s SOP was always in essence, simplistic… listen & never let your opponent know what you’re thinking.
Good Advice, no matter who you are…
The Turk had a good head for business, until most of it ended up on the back wall of Louie's.
I'd say Sollozo was trying to make a deal with Michael to hit Vito.
Here’s a suggestion what if Vito sent Clemanza or Tessio instead of Luca
All this overlooks the biggest mistake of Don Corleone, his choice of consigliere Tom Hagen.
Not only did Hagen encourage the Don to enter the drug business but his networking with the other families was faulty as all he uncovered was the connection of the Tattaglia family with the Turk which was the ruse they wanted to play on them.
Then as events escalated due to his ineptness, Tom proved he wasn't a war-time consigliere.
Tom may have been a good attorney but he was no Genco and the Don should've chosen wiser because a good consigliere would've uncovered the plot by Berzini and advised the Don to take him out. Luca Brazi and Sonny's lives would've been spared.
Sonny spoke before his brain was put into gear.
I sincerely believe that if Don Vito accepted the Turk's offer, there would have been no The Godfather.
Nice analysis!
In the book, after the Don turns down Sollozzo's deal, and all that follows, there is later a meeting of all the Dons; at that meeting, Don Vito agrees to participate in the drug business. In other words, "Sollozzo's deal, without Sollozzo."
Ironically, Sollozzo hoped that killing Vito would lead to a deal with Sonny.
But it turned that killing Sonny led to a deal being made with Vito.
He agrees to the deal in the film too after Sonny is killed. He is going over the details of it with Tom in the back seat when he says it was Barzini all along.
Same in the movie. At the big sitdown, after Vito agreed to support the plan, Barzini declared the business in drugs would be "permitted, but controlled".
It was all part of the plan to misdirect his enemies.. he didn't really intend to participate. He knows he is perceived as a weak and failing leader by the other families and that they think his time is up. He knows that if he doesn't destroy his enemies then his family and legacy will be in danger. He just needed time to organise his plan to ultimately destroy his enemies and secure Michael's place. He can't let anyone know what he's really thinking and even lets his closest aids believe that the deal is possible. All he's bothered about is getting further revenge for Sonny and positioning Michael in the strongest way possible for after he is gone. This is why the book and film conclude in the way they do and why Vito is the greatest Don.
He did eventually accept the offer at the meeting that made the peace. Sollozzo was dead, but the deal still happened. What would have happened if he had taken the deal earlier is exactly what happened later in the film. Barzini would have put pressure on the family from all directions and taken the side of anyone (see Moe Green) who had a business conflict with them.
Accepting the offer would also have weakened the family's political connections. They would have been perceived as frontmen for drug dealers and would have taken all the public heat for the move of all the families into the drug business. And then one or the other, Barzini was going to assassinate whoever was the head of the family.
Even with the family greatly weakened and cooperating with him on drugs, he fully intended to kill Michael. If Don Vito had not retired, he would have probably killed him.
That drug deal didn't happen.. the deal at the meeting was Vito said he would not retaliate for Sunnys death and for his kids to be untouched that was the deal
@@jacobsladder6715 The deal absolutely happened all of the other families started selling drugs and Vito agreed to help with judges or politicians if asked. It's not clear whether Vito's family started selling drugs or not but everyone else did.
Barzinni wanted Vito dead end of story.... Sollozo told Michael in the restaurant in so many words that he wasn't behind it.
Suppose Vito said something like "I don't want to be in the drug business, but how can I help?" Does that smooth everything over and eliminate the war?
How did it go for Woltz when he told Hagan he'd grant Vito any other favor but didn't want to give Johnny Fontaine the part in his new film?
Don Corleone fratenized w all walks of life it seems. Corporate moguls & tycoons alongside struggling immigrants , what have you lol and I bet like the legacy and tradition of opium dens and possible negative drug traffic business associations....Don Vito may have been luckt & fortunate obtaining inside info about that industry, who knows...just thought of all that 🤔 🥰
To bad sollozzo didn't have the makings of a varsity athlete
Ok uncle junior 😆
There were no scraps in his scrap book
How man hours did Vito play catch with him?!!!
Solozzo never lettered in shit
He had the makings of a varsity cheerleader though
Why not send Clemenza? I mean, everybody suspected that he might've turned sides, if Vito sent him instead of Luca, i'm sure The Tattaglias would've bite the hook.
Tattaglia’s just a pimp, Barzini’s the one who would’ve had to “bite the hook”
@@warlordofbritannia He could've never outfought my Santino.
Clemenza? Are you kidding? Did you see how far Luca had to walk in those squeaky shoes to get to Tattaglia's restaurant? Woof.
@@kennethlatham3133 wut? I think I missed the meme xD
@@calangoraivoso9921 You said, "Why not send Clemenza?" And you're right, it makes more sense. I was just joking at Clemenza's expense that that long walk Luca Brasi takes to get to the meeting with Solozzo and Tattaglia, that walk would've worn out the morbidly obese Pete Clemenza.
If Don Vito accepts, the movie ends with Michael introducing the other bosses to his Little Friend.
The End.
*Directed by George Lucas*
I grew up in New Jersey, just across the Hudson from NYC. I actually knew some mobsters. Real life mobsters were not like the movie version. First off, they didn't have anywhere near the wealth and power of movie mobsters. Secondly, these were not honorable...or smart...men. It's true that the old time mobsters didn't want their underlings to deal in drugs, but their resistance to the drug trade had nothing to do with morality. The old time mafia was a vertically organized operation. Drug dealing would have given the street level associates too much access to large amounts of cash. It would have been too easy for the lower level associates to cheat and help themselves. This meant the higher ups would have a more difficult time controlling their underlings. That was the reason they didn't want to deal drugs.
Yes I've always wondered whether they where really that powerful. More like media government lies psyops to entertain retarded masses😂
Mabe the crew you knew were not that wealthy or did you actually know how much they made? Do you have to spend like you make 10 million a year? Crazy to say mobsters didn't have that kind of power and money there are all kinds of mob videos that prove other wise...Al capone at that time networth was 100 million.. have no idea what you mean
@@jacobsladder6715 I really doubt Al Capone had $100 million in the 1920s, adjusted for inflation that would be over a billion dollars today. If he had that much money why did he keep operating petty criminal operations when he could have invested that money and become a legit businessman? More than likely just a story cooked up to sell books and movie tickets. Yup, mobsters I knew in the 70s were just petty thugs, the kind of guys who would have pimped out their own grandmothers if they thought there was a nickel in it for them......psychos, morons and weirdos. The Sopranos TV show was loosely based on the DeCavalcante crime family. Go read the FBI report regarding the DeCavalcante crew, they were literally the mobsters that couldn't shoot straight. The lower level DeCavalcante associates were so poor they would come up with schemes like robbing parking meters. This is not a joke, those dumb bastards were literally stealing quarters. I could never understand why such a large percentage of the population romanticizes these thugs? The Godfather story is not a documentary, it's Hamlet re-crafted for a modern audience....it's entertaining fiction. Goodfellas was much closer to reality....petty scumbags who would kill anybody for a dollar, even each other.
@@MrSloika There was thugs and there was earners...Michael Franzese made 6-8 millions/week for the Colombo family and in the start of his career even Sammy Gravano robbed parking meters .
Also from what I understand things really turned in the 1980s when drug laws got tougher and dealing hard drugs brought much longer prison sentences. The bosses naturally feared that underlings getting caught were now more likely to rat when faced with 20-30 years in prison.
Comments are saying Vito got careless and should’ve increased his close protection if he knew solattzo was shady with unknown designs. Keep in mind, I thought Fredo was a ‘fill-in’ to be security for his dad because the regular security guy was sick? This means the regular guy would be on guard standing by and would’ve had his pistol out shooting.
The regular guy was part of the plan. Clemenza offered another bodyguard to vito but he declined.
LoL. I was to wonder that yesterday I've watched Mafia : Definitive Edition. And then, Your Videos The Godfather came out in the next :D
Sound argument and great analysis and explanation of the crisis surrounding the corleone family… only a single simple issue neglected? Corleone could not be permitted to be aware of the new sollozo venture and not at any degree not become a party to it … this neutrality would become like possessing weapons of mass destruction!! With one call he could have sollozo and any family that supported him subject to grave criminal charges… thus he , and the rest , had to be dragged into the new prohibition business.
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EXCELLENT! One of the best analyses I've seen of this topic.
If Vito had accepted the offer, he have thrown away his trump card by losing his legal and political connections. But also, his ambition was to legitimise the family business in time for Michael to be able to stay clean. Sadly, other events overtook his plans and the inevitable happened. As he said to Michael, “I never wanted this for you. There wasn’t enough time.”
As Tom said though he'd lose his connections regardless. With the money they earned from drugs the other families would just buy them off.
Barzini taking out Don Corleone makes totally sense because he knew his at the time his secessors weren’t good enough. Sonny was too Hotheaded Fredo was too dumb and naïve and Michael was to young and new.
I believe that once Barzini had gotten access to Vito's political connections his greed for the vast wealth in narcotics would have led to Vito's assassination on some other pretence.
The boss move would have been to never let the turk leave the office alive.
The Godfather book and movie explores an important question, if police don't enforce the law, how do strong men cope? At some point in life, a man may find that he must fight to survive. If a criminal intends to hurt your family, *what* are you going to do about it? "The Godfather" asserts that to be a real man, you must be more cunning than your enemies, and if necessary, kill them.
Would have been a much shorter film if Vito had taken the deal. The Corleones would have made a lot of money and lived happily ever after until they caught a double tap to the head.
Great take on this movie.
What I do not understand is that if the Don had died then Sonny would not have been able to use Vito's political and judicial connections as only The Don had personal relationships with them
There is a scene where Tom, Sonny & Don Corleone are discussing the Salazo deal & Tom states 'if we don't get involved now we risk everything we built, not now but 10 years from now. Near the end of the movie Don Corleone says to Michale 'I never wanted this for you. Senator Corleone, Governor Corleone' Don Corleone wanted to maintain the integrity of his political ties, not for 10 years down the road, but for 2 generations down the road' He may have been old school but his plan was who would be in power in 50 years, not in 10.
Solozzo... Dead, Tatagglia... Dead, Barzini... Dead. Next Video
You have to answer for Santino, Carlo.
This intro hits hard hearing Ray Leotto
If you scrutinize the reason why Don Corleone refused the deal, it was practical and as he said, the business is a dirty business and would have turned his allies against him for allowing such a business to be started by his approval. Tom Hagan was a businessman and saw the profit it would generate but didn’t consider the fallout such a business would cause heartache and pain for the consumers that took it. Don Corleone being the street smart man he was, saw the big mistake in taking the easy money as compared to the risk of losing everything he had built up over the years, he was a man of vision and practicality, his decision was correct and quite far reaching for his time. Bravo, Don Corleone. 😊👍😊
That's why Saluzo said, "you think too much of me kid." But we're talking about the lawmakers who print the money, it's gonna take more than a fatter envelope, and a "reach around", to steal them from Vito. Tom Hagen was right. Vito should've taken the deal and remained just as cautious as he was when he didn't. That would've given him more moves before his King got checked.
I think that's a great theory very plausible
Very good analysis. I may just add that even if Barzini had not anticipated Vito's refusal, Barzini knew that by accepting drugs as part of the business, all the families would be richer but the Corleones would loose the legal protection which was pivotal to Vito's and his family's power thus weakening them. By chosing the Tataglias who jumped on the drug deal because they needed money to gain power, Barzini remained relatively in the shadow to watch how Vito would react. Vito's refusal only accelerated Barzini's attempt to overthrow the Corleones.
Another point which was not mentioned is that Vito wanted to take the Corleones legitimate so he always acted as careful, calculated and long-term as possible. Maybe Barzini got the whiff of Vito's intentions and decided to interfere.
really enjoyed that - was never aware of the "big picture". would love to see a video about michael's decision to kill solozzo and the captain - i always felt like he would have rather made a deal - and actually made the decision to kill them after solozzo would not guarantee vito's safety ...
Oh No - Michael was the one member of the entire Corleone clan, sons, Hagen and the capos, who knew absolutely that Sollozo had to be taken out. One, he knew the Turk would continue causing problems and making attempts on his father's life, and Two, Michael was the only one (along with his father after he recovered) who was unwilling to accept the assassination attempt on Vito without a full retaliatory response. As Michael said in the book, "It's not just business, It's all personal, every bit of it." Once Michael made the decision to join his father, he was committed to eventual retribution for the perpetrators responsible. Neither Michael nor Vito was ever going to accept the demise of their family. The meeting of all the Dons from New York and around the country was simply a strategic retreat. Vito played the long game and created the eventual reckoning upon the Corleone enemies.
@@tennsmoothie Exactly! Sollozzo's refusal to guarantee simply confirms the necessity of the killings. Michael is shown to have a shrewd understanding in suggesting that they be killed immediately. Sollozzo was hell bent on eliminating Vito and Sonny.
A lot of money in that white powder.....
Had he done so, other New York mafia families would be getting richer than the Corleones on Corleones' turf ALONE. That is why Vito really refured it. The reasons he stated to Solozzo were just a smokescreen. "Never tell anyone outside of the family what you are thinking" as he later put it to Santino.
Good points. You would have made a great consiliare
So if Vito knew all of this then why was he out wandering around trying to get oranges? He had to at least know that Tattalgia had a reasonable justification for war.
Vito's greatest mistake was not to play along when Sonny made the mistake of being greedy. It was only when the others flinched at Sonny's remark that Sollozzo became aware of a split within the family. Vito should have changed his style, pretending to be interested in the deal, perhaps even more interested than Sonny. Then he should have said, he would need a couple of weeks to feel out the judges and politicians and to get the million dollars. Then use the time to kill Sollozzo, perhaps even blaming the other families.
In fact it was Vito who had let the person outside the family know what he was thinking (that his son was a spoiled child).
The idea of killing Vito in exchange for the cooperation of Sonny is totally ridiculous. How can a son work with his father's killer ?
That’s what I think too
Its all about business and if sonny didnt agree to it they would take him out and replace him with fredo or someone pragmatic like tessio.
I agree and specially someone as emotional as Sonny. They read him totally wrong. I think there are quite a few times when Sonny says that he doesn't mind the business suffering but he would have his revenge.
The thing is in the early days there was no long term prison now there is.
Vito flat out admits that the reason he has so many politicians and officials in his pocket is that they consider gambling to be harmless.
So it was easier for him to coax them into working for him.
If he got into the heroin business , it would become difficult to recruit and retain people and his network would start crumbling.
It wouldnt happen overnight, but it would happen.
Vito knew that once the Mafia got involved in heroin it was just a matter of time before the Feds came crushing down on them.
( Which is exactly what happened in real life )
I get the sense that Corleone was suspicious of the offer itself, given the seemingly favorable terms. Plus the Turk and the Tattaglia (spelling?) family are kind of small time to make such a big deal for that kind of return. Hence, it's a trap, he just isn't sure how the trap is supposed to work and who's behind it.
@ 3:16 he said that his clients and partners would overlook gambling and prostitution but drugs were a real problem they didnt like.
Imagine Michael as the father of the family, Sonny as number 2 and good ole Tom as the consiglier e.
Don Vito could’ve agreed and then set Luca Brasi on Sollozzo. But then we wouldn’t have a movie
If there an OC and said. . . "Let's assume we accept the offer what if . . . . . Another family decided to reveal this, what if they try to sink our operations. . . . .could you assure us that those things are covered?"
So many layers to this story. And there are numerous avenues for spinoff shows and/or movies like supporting character origins, etc. Also, since Godfather wasn’t exactly what we all wished it had been, and with Andy Garcia, and even Al Pacino as much older men nowadays, there is room for a final Godfather movie to show how things went after Michael Corleone passed the torch. It’s just a shame that this story was left in part III. There is still time and opportunity to redeem the franchise
The story was left in part II. Part 3 was an abomination. A money-grab. Horribly written, casted. directed and acted.
The entire film should've been left on the cutting room floor. Stomped on. And set on fire.
They would have made a power move once seeing the money and learning his conects
I always wondered why didn’t Don Tomasino warn Vito and the Carleone’s about Virgil Sollozzo? He was an international drug dealer more than likely being funded by the Italian mafia in Sicily. He must’ve known about his intentions in New York. He was talking to what is real plans were and what Vito could expect. It just seems odd that a boss in Sicily wouldn’t know anything about this guy or maybe why wouldn’t Vito think to ask him?
It’s possible that that’s probably where Tom got his notes but highly unlikely
This was never going to happen because as Vito said it wouldn't be far worst to lose his legitimate connections that to profit in the drug trade. So it was Vito not Bazzini who got to play " the long game. " And Bazzini never saw Michael coming. No one did not even his own family.
in reality the whole Turk meeting broke protocol. There should have been a meeting of the 5 families at the beginning to discuss the drug issue. Vito was a boss you dont whack them without consensus unless I'm mistaken.
By accepting the deal Don Vito would have frustrated his enemies temporarily and bought time to prepare for the war. As you said the offer was designed for Don Vito to refuse. By refusing Don Vito was playing right into the hands of his enemies.
The " Rats" would of sunk them all.Greed and fear have no parents