Music, sweet music! It transports you to another place. Music takes you on a sensory and psychological journey that leads literally to a completely different realm. You can't touch it, yet you can feel it. You can't see it, but it conjures up vivid images in your mind as you listen. Music can make you dance like no one is watching, or bring you to tears with memories of heartbreak or grief. Music is universal, it translates across all languages and cultures. And music is ancient, older than the listeners who crudely attempt to re-create it. And when music connects with the listener, I mean when you can really hear it and feel it, it becomes a living thing and takes on a life of it's own. Music too, is like alcohol; and you must understand that it's a type of addictive poison when you indulge in it. Music can be as addictive as drugs are. It gets down deep inside you, and moves you in magical and unexplainable ways. To the truly experienced listener, music can be a very dangerous thing indeed. Even the well trained ear can scarcely resist the allure of it. Art is Important.
As a musician and composer with synesthesia, the idea of music creating a world that is different than that of other arts, makes sense to me. It’s more “dream-like”, in the sense that the mental images that come to mind when listening or playing, are often associations that don’t take place in “waking life”. On the topic of words, I think of the language of an instrument or music (without words), to be the articulation of feelings, emotions - the whirlwind of complex guttural sensations - that spoken words have no place attempting to express. It’s the difference between telling someone how they hurt you, and weeping because they did.
First of all, each human mind (or at least the “agent” therein) is not only in possession of infinite creative potential, but is also the owner and controller of an infinitely malleable (holographic-like) substance that is capable of being formed into absolutely anything imaginable. Secondly, all matter throughout the universe seems to be constructed from what is basically a higher and more ordered version of that very same inner substance. Now, with that being said, it is obvious that the mind’s agent will oftentimes form its own inner substance into fantastically strange, or wonderfully beautiful manifestations of reality that simply do not exist outwardly in the universe, and that no other agent has ever seen before. In which case, I suggest that art... _(in the form of idealistic paintings, or sculptures, or music, or literature, or [especially] CGI movies, comics, and anime, etc.)_ ...is simply the end product of the effort taken by the mind’s agent to grasp the infinitely malleable fabric of the universe and shape it into that which resembles what the agent has created inwardly so that other agents can experience (by proxy representation) something uniquely strange (or beautiful, or horrifying, etc.) that only exists within the mind of the particular agent. _______
@@rayfletcher8759 Yes. However, I'm thinking more of a Berkeleyan form of "Panentheism" which suggests that the universe is the mind of a higher consciousness. Thus, its three-dimensional forms and features are created from the living mental fabric of said Being's mind. And that would be in the same way that your own thoughts and dreams are created from the living mental fabric of your own mind.
@@rayfletcher8759 No. It simply means that what we call *"reality"* (as in three-dimensional phenomena suspended in a spatial dimension) is created from *"mind stuff."* Indeed, even quantum physics is implying such a thing, for it suggests that matter is created from an informationally-based (again, "holographic-like") substance that is capable of becoming absolutely anything *"IMAGINABLE"* - just like the substance that forms our thoughts and dreams.
The Ultimate Seeds. First of all, what is mind and what is an agent thereof?. Mind is merely an idea and not an entity other than that. An idea cannot have an agent. It is certainly not true that every mind has infinite possible creativity. Every human brain has from very limited to extremely extensive possibilities for creativity.
Art is a representation of an idea in a human mind in another form. We have cave paintings going back thousands of years depicting animals, people, other familiar objects. Art is the product of the mind, how it sees the world, the skill of the artist, and the thoughts he or she wants to convey. For example impressionist art creates a surreal dreamy depiction of life somewhere between sleep and awake while representational art represents a fully awake state. Modern art is the product of a chaotic mind that is incoherent. Art critics who praise this type of art are either liars pandering to a pretentious elites who tell the same lies or if they make sense of it have equally chaotic incoherent minds. Gordon Graham is incorrect about musical notation which was invented by the genius of Johann Sebastian Bach. When the notes go up so does the frequency of the tone they represent and when they go down the frequency of the tone goes down. Specific instructions are indicated for tempo and loudness. They also indicate their connection in time legato or separation in time staccato. The late Dr. Oliver Sacks, a neurologist wrote a book called Musicophilia in which he describes both the psychological effects and physiological effects music has on the human body. The connection is clear and he claims that no civilization known for the last 50,000 years was without some form of music. One example is the well known if somewhat controversial Mozart Effect that Mozart music has on Turret's syndrome and other brain malfunction disorders. Neurologists have studied the structure of this music to find out what makes it unique in these circumstances. Music like all forms of art including written works, fiction, movies, paintings sculptures, has the power to trigger human emotions. Realizing this and that it can be used to manipulate me, I have trained my mind to shut that connection off. That does not mean I can't enjoy it as much as anyone else but I simply won't allow it to trigger my emotions to prompt me to actions. For example, a patriotic song cannot trigger me to go join the military to fight a war. A great mass will not in any way impact my atheistic view of existence. A statue of Stonewall Jackson won't prompt me to commit vandalism by destroying it. My first realization came in the mid 1980s when I realized half an hour into a movie Gorilla's in the Mist that I was being emotionally manipulated. I got up, walked out, and vowed to myself to never let anything like that happen to me again. Only those things that affect me personally have the power to elicit an emotional response in my mind.
Interesting discussion. Please mind my comment as an effort to engage with a channel as incredible as yours. Art being a communicator of human experience is hard to convincingly be argued as a seperate experience within a single domain. All art is temporal in viewing. For Gordon, consider expanding the expectation of experience and any art could be viewed as music is described here as being special for. For instance a painting can be viewed with a journey of the eyes, to the sections brought to immediate attention. Then followed by layers of more subtle understanding, a minds journey, as with the arrangement of the music. This is where great ‘composers’ of any art form, from music to other arts, can be compared without need for hesitancy in the comparison. And for a more lighthearted point, I think the argument for music lifting experience is a weaker argument for filmmaking, animation or video gaming-esc worlds. It would be interesting to hear the same conversation with someone who perhaps aims to convey similar or greater experiences through these more recent arms of the art family tree. As always great content :)
It may be possible that a very loud music, that seemed like a heavenly orchestra, can be heard when God created the Physical Universe due to the vibrating spirit particles. Here is why : The Physical Universe was not created out of explosion, inflation, or big bang. The Physical Universe was created out of FUSION when "GOD the Holy Spirit" fused a tiny portion of His vast infinite Spiritual World that has no beginning and no end. In the beginning is the "WORD" which is not through man's vocal chords but through the vibration of spirits from God's Spiritual World that fused the Physical Universe. Can you imagine how loud and humongous the sound that these vibrating spirits had produced ?! This explains why there is sound and music to everything we experience, or aware of, heard or unheard...
what he says about music being its own ontological world makes sense....however, the rest of the discussion can be applied only to western European music,. it seems like a fundamental error to speak about "art" and "music" in any kind of universal or philosophic concext without some experience and insight into cultures of the world. Most of the people interviewed in this part of the series seem to have littile or no knowledge of "art" outside of the Western cannon.
When I play guitar, I can let muscle memory take over and I don't even have to pay attention. So no intent to play music and I may be in another world but perhaps it is still music - like the tree falling in the woods.
bone heads: musik is expired with the body ... talking about birds and halal but not realising that there is a sound of a lawnmower in the background ... start to experience what's really happened . not staying in the world of formalismen
X-Files Unlike earthling poets, artists, musicians, mystics, human beings and creators of joy...the capitalist counting corpses that rule US can't create harmony (real intelligence) because vampires (greed) are ignorant (dead). Alien Mission 1) Exterminate or make into slaves all earthling poets, artists, musicians, mystics, human beings and creators of joy. Then replace them with the colorless counting corpses. 2) Devour this paradise planet lifeboat and the miraculous works of fine art called "life" that inhabit it in order to colonize desolate lunar and martian landscapes. Like bats that fly around in the darkness of caves...vampires (greed) are blind and cannot see the ignorance of transforming heaven (peace) into hell (war). The capitalist counting corpses are also blind and cannot see the ignorance of destroying the planet. Vampires (greed) who suck the joy out of life have joined the zombies who eat the futures of their children. Zombie Apocalypse is here and happening now.
Without the perceptive - senses - matter symbol and sound of A, together with an English alphabet institution* and the assumption that reality is idealism** and materialism, the proposition 'A is the letter A' could not be scientifically^ corroborated, even though A can be deployed artistically, but the law of non-contradiction : nothing is both x and not-x, as an intellectual rule, cannot be evaluated in the same way. * The rules and conventions guiding behaviour. ** There are no non-idea things. ^ Our perception and reason faculties are used to evaluate a statement.
Music, sweet music! It transports you to another place. Music takes you on a sensory and psychological journey that leads literally to a completely different realm. You can't touch it, yet you can feel it. You can't see it, but it conjures up vivid images in your mind as you listen. Music can make you dance like no one is watching, or bring you to tears with memories of heartbreak or grief. Music is universal, it translates across all languages and cultures. And music is ancient, older than the listeners who crudely attempt to re-create it. And when music connects with the listener, I mean when you can really hear it and feel it, it becomes a living thing and takes on a life of it's own. Music too, is like alcohol; and you must understand that it's a type of addictive poison when you indulge in it. Music can be as addictive as drugs are. It gets down deep inside you, and moves you in magical and unexplainable ways. To the truly experienced listener, music can be a very dangerous thing indeed. Even the well trained ear can scarcely resist the allure of it.
Art is Important.
As a musician and composer with synesthesia, the idea of music creating a world that is different than that of other arts, makes sense to me. It’s more “dream-like”, in the sense that the mental images that come to mind when listening or playing, are often associations that don’t take place in “waking life”. On the topic of words, I think of the language of an instrument or music (without words), to be the articulation of feelings, emotions - the whirlwind of complex guttural sensations - that spoken words have no place attempting to express. It’s the difference between telling someone how they hurt you, and weeping because they did.
Oscar, have you published any of your compositions? Do you have a youtube link where I can experience your work!?
Aesthetically and intellectually pleasing
First of all, each human mind (or at least the “agent” therein) is not only in possession of infinite creative potential, but is also the owner and controller of an infinitely malleable (holographic-like) substance that is capable of being formed into absolutely anything imaginable.
Secondly, all matter throughout the universe seems to be constructed from what is basically a higher and more ordered version of that very same inner substance.
Now, with that being said, it is obvious that the mind’s agent will oftentimes form its own inner substance into fantastically strange, or wonderfully beautiful manifestations of reality that simply do not exist outwardly in the universe, and that no other agent has ever seen before.
In which case, I suggest that art...
_(in the form of idealistic paintings, or sculptures, or music, or literature, or [especially] CGI movies, comics, and anime, etc.)_
...is simply the end product of the effort taken by the mind’s agent to grasp the infinitely malleable fabric of the universe and shape it into that which resembles what the agent has created inwardly so that other agents can experience (by proxy representation) something uniquely strange (or beautiful, or horrifying, etc.) that only exists within the mind of the particular agent.
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Sounds like panpsychism.
@@rayfletcher8759 Yes. However, I'm thinking more of a Berkeleyan form of "Panentheism" which suggests that the universe is the mind of a higher consciousness. Thus, its three-dimensional forms and features are created from the living mental fabric of said Being's mind. And that would be in the same way that your own thoughts and dreams are created from the living mental fabric of your own mind.
@@TheUltimateSeeds In that view, we are being "dreamt".
@@rayfletcher8759 No. It simply means that what we call *"reality"* (as in three-dimensional phenomena suspended in a spatial dimension) is created from *"mind stuff."* Indeed, even quantum physics is implying such a thing, for it suggests that matter is created from an informationally-based (again, "holographic-like") substance that is capable of becoming absolutely anything *"IMAGINABLE"* - just like the substance that forms our thoughts and dreams.
The Ultimate Seeds. First of all, what is mind and what is an agent thereof?. Mind is merely an idea and not an entity other than that. An idea cannot have an agent. It is certainly not true that every mind has infinite possible creativity. Every human brain has from very limited to extremely extensive possibilities for creativity.
But why is a octave a octave?
I love that purple benches.
Music can add feeling and energy to experience and understanding?
Art is a representation of an idea in a human mind in another form. We have cave paintings going back thousands of years depicting animals, people, other familiar objects. Art is the product of the mind, how it sees the world, the skill of the artist, and the thoughts he or she wants to convey. For example impressionist art creates a surreal dreamy depiction of life somewhere between sleep and awake while representational art represents a fully awake state. Modern art is the product of a chaotic mind that is incoherent. Art critics who praise this type of art are either liars pandering to a pretentious elites who tell the same lies or if they make sense of it have equally chaotic incoherent minds.
Gordon Graham is incorrect about musical notation which was invented by the genius of Johann Sebastian Bach. When the notes go up so does the frequency of the tone they represent and when they go down the frequency of the tone goes down. Specific instructions are indicated for tempo and loudness. They also indicate their connection in time legato or separation in time staccato.
The late Dr. Oliver Sacks, a neurologist wrote a book called Musicophilia in which he describes both the psychological effects and physiological effects music has on the human body. The connection is clear and he claims that no civilization known for the last 50,000 years was without some form of music. One example is the well known if somewhat controversial Mozart Effect that Mozart music has on Turret's syndrome and other brain malfunction disorders. Neurologists have studied the structure of this music to find out what makes it unique in these circumstances.
Music like all forms of art including written works, fiction, movies, paintings sculptures, has the power to trigger human emotions. Realizing this and that it can be used to manipulate me, I have trained my mind to shut that connection off. That does not mean I can't enjoy it as much as anyone else but I simply won't allow it to trigger my emotions to prompt me to actions. For example, a patriotic song cannot trigger me to go join the military to fight a war. A great mass will not in any way impact my atheistic view of existence. A statue of Stonewall Jackson won't prompt me to commit vandalism by destroying it. My first realization came in the mid 1980s when I realized half an hour into a movie Gorilla's in the Mist that I was being emotionally manipulated. I got up, walked out, and vowed to myself to never let anything like that happen to me again. Only those things that affect me personally have the power to elicit an emotional response in my mind.
Interesting that song writers most often create the melody first.
Interesting discussion. Please mind my comment as an effort to engage with a channel as incredible as yours.
Art being a communicator of human experience is hard to convincingly be argued as a seperate experience within a single domain. All art is temporal in viewing. For Gordon, consider expanding the expectation of experience and any art could be viewed as music is described here as being special for. For instance a painting can be viewed with a journey of the eyes, to the sections brought to immediate attention. Then followed by layers of more subtle understanding, a minds journey, as with the arrangement of the music.
This is where great ‘composers’ of any art form, from music to other arts, can be compared without need for hesitancy in the comparison.
And for a more lighthearted point, I think the argument for music lifting experience is a weaker argument for filmmaking, animation or video gaming-esc worlds. It would be interesting to hear the same conversation with someone who perhaps aims to convey similar or greater experiences through these more recent arms of the art family tree.
As always great content :)
Art is nothing if not a way to communicate something honestly, if something is not doing that then it isn't art
It may be possible that a very loud music, that seemed like a heavenly orchestra, can be heard when God created the Physical Universe due to the vibrating spirit particles. Here is why :
The Physical Universe was not created out of explosion, inflation, or big bang. The Physical Universe was created out of FUSION when "GOD the Holy Spirit" fused a tiny portion of His vast infinite Spiritual World that has no beginning and no end.
In the beginning is the "WORD" which is not through man's vocal chords but through the vibration of spirits from God's Spiritual World that fused the Physical Universe. Can you imagine how loud and humongous the sound that these vibrating spirits had produced ?!
This explains why there is sound and music to everything we experience, or aware of, heard or unheard...
what he says about music being its own ontological world makes sense....however, the rest of the discussion can be applied only to western European music,. it seems like a fundamental error to speak about "art" and "music" in any kind of universal or philosophic concext without some experience and insight into cultures of the world. Most of the people interviewed in this part of the series seem to have littile or no knowledge of "art" outside of the Western cannon.
Music is not, indeed cannot be “ ontologically distinct “.
When I play guitar, I can let muscle memory take over and I don't even have to pay attention. So no intent to play music and I may be in another world but perhaps it is still music - like the tree falling in the woods.
bone heads: musik is expired with the body ... talking about birds and halal but not realising that there is a sound of a lawnmower in the background ... start to experience what's really happened . not staying in the world of formalismen
X-Files
Unlike earthling poets, artists, musicians, mystics, human beings and creators of joy...the capitalist counting corpses that rule US can't create harmony (real intelligence) because vampires (greed) are ignorant (dead).
Alien Mission
1) Exterminate or make into slaves all earthling poets, artists, musicians, mystics, human beings and creators of joy. Then replace them with the colorless counting corpses.
2) Devour this paradise planet lifeboat and the miraculous works of fine art called "life" that inhabit it in order to colonize desolate lunar and martian landscapes.
Like bats that fly around in the darkness of caves...vampires (greed) are blind and cannot see the ignorance of transforming heaven (peace) into hell (war). The capitalist counting corpses are also blind and cannot see the ignorance of destroying the planet.
Vampires (greed) who suck the joy out of life have joined the zombies who eat the futures of their children.
Zombie Apocalypse is here and happening now.
He show up is not how figuret out music, print in brains. He minds is so rethoric. Baseless.
I think there is a lot of bad art and bad philosophy around and some terrible music.
Without the perceptive - senses - matter symbol and sound of A, together with an English alphabet institution* and the assumption that reality is idealism** and materialism, the proposition 'A is the letter A' could not be scientifically^ corroborated, even though A can be deployed artistically, but the law of non-contradiction : nothing is both x and not-x, as an intellectual rule, cannot be evaluated in the same way.
* The rules and conventions guiding behaviour.
** There are no non-idea things.
^ Our perception and reason faculties are used to evaluate a statement.