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- What can we make of a design that shows up over and over in disparate cultures throughout history? Theorist Terry Moore explores "Penrose tiling" -- two shapes that fit together in infinite combinations without ever repeating -- and ponders what it might mean.
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The man delivered a wholesome lecture in 6 minutes with such articulateness. His delivery and pace made me watch it again.
Couldn't keep up eh?
@@MatthewC137 Not at all. Too complex for complex.
That’s what I like about Ted Talk. I even bought books about making a Ted Talk.✅
Here's a universal pattern worth considering: the human need to find order in chaos and to make huge claims without supporting evidence..
@@MatthewC137 I agree but I can't keep up either. Some things make my head hurt.
Pretty shapes make brain happy
Happy brains create fascinating patterns.
@@laoamao Happy brains on happy substances create even more fascinating patterns.
@@LordDragox412
The patterns were always there, and the substances only helped amplify their obvious existence. That or my HPPD never quits. 🤣
@@Paraselene_Tao Don't worry, the shapes are always there, and so is your imaginary friend. Silently standing there, watching your every move.
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That’s really all you got from this presentation?
Whilst in a psychedelic trip I was astounded to realize that everything I looked at was made up of fractal sacred geometry. It was so beautiful it reduced me to tears and am beginning to realize that there must me something far deeper and less understood about these beautiful designs. My quest for the truth continues.
Read the Fractal Geometry of Nature by Benoit Mandelbrot & the Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life by Drunvalo Melchizedek or watch the Fractal Holographic Universe lecture by Billy Carson
Read the Bible and ask God to open your understanding so you may comprehend the majesty of all He has done. No psychedelics required.
@@carolroberts8930hopefully you've tried psychedelics so your statement comes from a balanced perspective 🍄
@@carolroberts8930 lmao no
Yeah, same here, The patterns and the wonder I felt at seeing reality in another way, was quite a profound and even spiritual experience.
the first internet discussion I've seen in years where everyone is delighted and kind to each other... because of a wonderful lecture
I love how humans are naturally attuned to this "implicate order" through aesthetic beauty rather than explicit knowledge. It's crazy that every culture turns to math and geometry because everyone feels the hidden truth it can convey.
Excellently said. 🤙🏽
Because crazy people have yet to find a way to argue against geometry.
There it is. Just look at it.
That's such a beautiful way to put it
Explicit knowledge is much harder to parse out than beauty. Imagine trying to operate a computer via 1s and 0s rather than through a destop interface. All of your lived experience is in the service of identifying patterns, the evolutionary purpose of consciousness.
There are things you cannot see, smell,touch,or feel. So how do you or anyone even know the joke story. Scientists act like the universe revolves around us and it’s laughable. Oh geometry, tge fundamental building blocks to all life in the universe because it rules all laws on this planet, 👏 bravo!!
The Penrose pattern is an illustration of some of the fundamentals of Chaos theory. The gist is that there are things around us that seem disordered or chaotic, but if one could get to the origin of the phenomenon, they would discover a very simple, orderly set of seemingly fundamental or even universal rules which set it in motion and can reproduce the phenomenon. In this case, while the pattern may never repeat itself, it must start with those two initial shapes.
Procedural generation in games.
I compare this to the ideal gas law.
At the molecular level, gaseous molecules are moving in very random directions, all over the place.
Back out to where you have one liter of air, and their actions as a group are so predictable you can tell the exact pressure and temperature, repeatedly, and accurately.
Greek kháos (χάος) means 'emptiness, vast void, chasm, abyss', related to the verbs kháskō (χάσκω) and khaínō (χαίνω) 'gape, be wide open',
The English word chaos is borrowed from the Greek word that means "abyss." In ancient Greece, Chaos was originally thought of as the abyss or emptiness that existed before things came into being, and then the word chaos was used to refer to a specific abyss: the abyss of Tartarus, the underworld.
Implications of both are as, or more, wide ranging than game theory.
It is interesting to think that when one is under the influence of psychedelics, parts of the brain that never have anything to do with each other connect or “unify”. And the hallucinations under the eyelids can be some of the most intricate, complex, and beautiful patterning experienced.
That is true. It's a cautious tale to enter the psychedelic state whenever you have developed sober illusions & disconnections but in a way as long as you are on the plane of existence where you are most comfortable being (meditation, music, art) it can be life-changing since time feels much slower
This is true about shrooms too.
@@FlavioJuarez first time I've ever experienced depression and PTSD. but also the most life-changing once I got out of it. goddamn. ego-death.
fractals are everywhere when you've taken dmt. my whole room and all the things in it breathed a sigh of relief as they knew 'i was now in on it too'.
cures deep depression if you truly let it in
@@mowvu5380wouldn’t it be great if the whole world could do DMT
I have Asperger’s and adhd, excellent and concise talk. Very clear and information dense. Most live talks bore me to sleep. Thanks.
Don’t say no to DMT if it ever finds you 🥹❤️ it gave me new eyes for life
@@alwaysyouramandait is scientifically proven to cure adhd and Asperger’s
@@alwaysyouramandait is scientifically proven to cure Asperger’s and adhd
very rarely do i hear someone speak not only so articulately but with such profundity behind each statement. this speech was fantastic; a genuine treat to listen to. thank you very much terry.
he was totally speaking 100% pure bullshit.... but yes, he was very articulate about it.
He hasn't said " I was like" once, so far.😂
@@orion7741he is as articulate as articulated lorry. 😂
I love TED for many reasons, but one of the main reasons is that it allows me to explore the world. On a trip to Uzbekistan, I was able to observe that beautiful pattern at a madrasa that I had never seen before. I was in awe of the intricate detail and was inspired by the craftsmanship that went into creating it, but now TED tells me what it was and what it mean.
Visit any mosque..u'll find them esp at tombs of Sufis
What's even sadder is how Islam is tearing down the ancient statues and artifacts.
@@ryshellso526 Islamic world has been bombarded for ages...while children had been teared apart n is still going on in Palestine, Kashmir etc...the saddest part is that ppl only care for statues n artifacts...what a shame!
@@reversegear1440 The islamic world has been fighting amongst themselves for ages. Already since the start of Islam.
This presentation is of another level! What a great way to start your day by listening to this lecture! The morning is great
Mathematics is such a beautiful harmony throughout the universe. Its a beautiful universal language that being shy of communication through telepathy, is the most efficient method of communication with other intelligence through our existence. Imagine how much more beautiful and complex the new mathematics we have to invent once we become a type 3 or 4 civilization.
As a proud Uzbekistani 🇺🇿, I watched this Ted talk with a great fascination about my ancestors …
The most pleasing thing about such patterns is exactly the hint of underlying (overarching?) depth and order. I think most people can sense it. Even if they can't put in words, nor even consciously recognize that their brains are being tickled by something just below the surface.
Yet it doesn't seem to take away our free will, simply amazing.
It is amazing
Yes, that's called class consciousness.
As above, so below
@@dragonsamuslive Correct. I was talking to my friend several years ago about this. He flipped open his Bible to look something up, and he saw where he had already written in the margins, "God's foreknowledge does not violate my free will."
As a landscaper this fascinated me, cheers for the upload 👍
As an artist, and teacher, I started drawing lessons by pointing out that everything you want to draw boils down to just two types of lines-straight and curved. Absolutely every shape, object, pattern, etc-is just a combination and repetition of these two lines. It gets complex when these two lines get thickened, broken, colored….but you get the idea. Fun.
That's not even a novel concept.
@@oxymoron02 Like Penrose's tiling. It is nonetheless true.
This talk attracted me immediately because of my profile photo, which I've been using for a long time. I took it in Spain while visiting some famous attraction whose name I no longer recall, but the beauty and craftsmanship of this floor spoke to me, as it undoubtedly spoke to others back then and still does to this day.
Reminds me of Qbert 😂
@@bigelectrickat I had to Google that because I didn't know what it is. Yes, sure looks similar!
What a remarkable coincidence. Thanks for sharing.
@@bigelectrickat That's definitely a Qbert.
Qbert, Tetris, and Chess/Checkers are all based on geometric patterns.
Chinese Checkers too.
This is also an old quilt block pattern, I am blanking on the name. Tumbling Blocks ?
For the same reason I think that if/when we discover and interact with alien civilizations, we will also find out that they play Tetris too. Simple yet elegant rules that lead to emergent beauty apply to both these patterns and to Tetris.
Well the only physical world in existence is Earth and Aliens dont come from other world, they have always been here and yes they follow the same rules.
@@HOLLASOUNDS If they have been here all along, they wouldn’t be aliens.
@@infinitejest441boom, killshot
@@infinitejest441 Exactly however We are being brainwashed by mainstream media and government to belive that these entities are from outer space but they are not, they are pre human. I dont want to get all Biblical here but the most common Alien described sounds alot like what the Bible calls Fallen angels, the way they apear.
@@vapormissile Boom Not at all lol.
As much as I like this concept, I think it’s possible that each designer throughout history was just playing with mechanical drawing tools like a compass and or a square, just like I did in elementary school.
There are only so many ways to mechanically divide basic shapes using those tools
you make a good point, but with it being a religious building in an islamic country i definetily don't think it's a far stretch. Mathematics and islam are deeply connected and holy islamic buildings are very often decorated with these kind of geometric patterns, instead of visualisations of important figures and such from the Quran (which is forbidden)
I agree. Perhaps we are just playing within the limitations of our universe, and we are seeing those limitations....
@@naanbread4523What you said doesn't contradict or addresses OP's point.
An elegant delivery about the entropic design of the universe and how it is represented in our cherished historical monuments!
This guy really has a knack with language, and objectively provokes quite a bit of unifying ideology in just a few minutes. Bravo, man!
Agree
Ah, yes, yes, precisely.. I concur 🤓
But sadly doesn't provide any argument or proof of his hypothesis
I agree, he speaks clearly and he’s well informed and his words matched the images in his presentation. The thing is, I used to have my own business managing conventions and there are additional things to do during a presentation to keep and audience interested and sell them your message. One is being animated. You need to move around the stage, pace back and forth, move your hands. If the audience is following you by default in their brain you’re in charge so what you say is important and they pay more attention. Going through your speech to emphasize the adjectives and other words that have emotional impact or otherwise drive your message home is important. Not an extreme vocal change because your delivery should be naturally flowing up and down instead of of a monotone, but there are keywords you want to emphasize in your flow. Learning is a physiological process where people absorb information through their five senses all at the same time. If you bore them or ignore one or more of their senses your message won’t have the same impact as the next person! Communication has five parts to it: what someone says, what someone hears, what someone understands, what someone cares about, and the truth. You can speak the truth but if you don’t get them to hear, understand or care about what you’re saying, it won’t matter, and that’s not just for a speech! That’s for a job interview, a brainstorming session, a business meeting about 3rd quarter budgets, anything! If you own a business you could have the best products and services on the planet but unless you get your message across you won’t make any sales.
@rwfrench66GenX Funny you'd bring all this up - I just recently retired as an international speaker (horticultural hybridizer). It took years to implement literally everything you mentioned, as it was all TRULY important! When Covid hit, demand for Zoom talks went through the roof - which blindsided me completely because the years I'd spent "reading" my audience was useless in such presentations. Many intellectuals have serious problems with all things "social" as well, which may be a problem here?
The substance of his talk was great - a real swipe at the culture of modern narcissism that seems ubiquitous these days.
Plato, Spinoza and Whitehead are referring to the initial formation of our current universe with that terminology. I note to the Middle Eastern pattern also aligns with Chaldean and Eastern interpretations of the seven planes of matter and existence. Very interesting, hadn't realized its usage in architecture. The past has much to teach us, no wonder it was so ruthlessly scrubbed.
Ah this comment made something click in my mind.
The universe is like a Penrose tile where a few building blocks give way to an unpredictable pattern, but beneath that pattern there’s an underlying ‘form’ that underpins the chaos, and that form is ‘god’.
The Penrose tiling is a representation of the universe and life itself. As above, so below kind of thing 🤯
The Cabbalistic tree of life.
Not so scientific-more ritual magic.
glad to see acknowledgement of ancient wisdom in the the mainstream, don't get to see it often enough
I really enjoyed this video! thank you so much for sharing such rare knowledge. that was tough room but you did great!
These patterns are truly mathematical, aesthetic, anthropological and manufacturing marvels. It's not surprising humans lean towards such geometries. The fact this is surprising to some of our 'smartest' minds shows how the siloing of academia hinder progress and insights. It also, however, shows how limited our perceptions are and how we do genuinely and beautifully filter nature through those limiatations (to great results, and terrible ones). No matter how geometrically complicated we get, nature is ever more complex and dynamic. It is humbling, to me.
you write the last part like humans aren’t part of nature. We are in fact animals and no better than the trees and the rocks.
yeah I mean, this is definitely thought provoking and all, but I fail to see the surprise that different cultures would find patterns with similar properties, especially when they have "simple" constructions which lead to complex results. The idea you'd need a modern day mathematician to come up with them is just out of touch.
("simple" as in, the construction process can be boiled down to a few direct rules)
@@Softlol I meant that no matter how complicated man made construction is, it pales in comparison. Man-made vs Nature, not man vs Nature. I would never purposefully label us distinct
@@user-sl6gn1ss8p agreed...
@@Softlol plus we can never perceive all of nature (and ourselves) so we will never rrwch that point. Hence the point about our limited perceptions.
Fascinating. It's like mankind talking to itself in an alien language.
Or rather its mankind speaking in the true universal language that is mathematics by way of art.
Or man speaking to himself in a language that he once knew well but has "educated" himself out of familiarity with and now it seems alien to him... until someone like Mr. Moore comes along and tells him it's not.
Or.. God speaking to humans by mathematics expressed through the medium of art
Or its a load of old nonsense
I like your statement. Man gets to be his own alien. We may not be able to hear our own voice, perhaps ever. But in context of aperiodicity and pseudo-randomness, aren't the stories which keep getting told in every language quite Christ
curioser?
This happens in so many ways when you are in the zone with your craft or just what you love doing the flow happens, beautiful to see the connections as we all vibrate upwards :)
We need a rebirth of culture and by extension, architecture particularly in the modern city- the same bland buildings really do say a lot about society today and what we value.
Imagine there is something as transformative as electricity that hasn't been discovered yet.
there is something that just lies deep within you that is the most transformative we/you could witness in this life. It’s inside all of us, you just need to stop thinking and breathe.
Melanin
@@Softlol I wish others could understand it that easily, it would change the world, but it's true
@@Ezeplays it took me until 27 to learn this. It totally changed my life from a judgmental self loathing atheist to a self loving spiritualist. One of my first thoughts was that the would be no wars, no death only love if everyone could see that we are the same.
At some point everyone will be on the same page, when all speak the same language and all is the same country❤️
I wonder what happens then!
@@Softlol Same goes here . A believer in (so called) God to an Atheist and now a Spiritualist . I don't know I'm there yet , but there is more and more than what I think . truly falling in love with myself .
your comment made me so happy . kudos bro . I'm not afraid of death anymore
💚
The writing at minute 2:33 says:
Say: He is Allah, the ONE.
It's from Quranic passage called Al-Ikhlas. That's the underlying unity of all of the world design, I think. That's the "Singular Substance" that Spinoza thought about, idk.
Sufism. Basically islamic kalam monist schools.
Far too short for such a fascinating topic and an excellent speaker. This is the kind of presentation you hope to see on TED Talks.
Great presentation! I’ve always thought that Plato’s concept of “anamnesis” related to this too - the idea that there are things we are born knowing, forget as children, then educate ourselves to remember. From Bohm’s implicate order to sacred geometry and the Kabbalistic Tree of Life we see briefly in this video, there is a breadth of ideas we humans seem to keep re-discovering through the ages. And Schrödinger, of course, was a lifelong student and active promoter of Eastern mysticism and the Vedanta, seeing connections to the quantum world he was helping to reveal.
Re: "And Schrödinger, of course, was a lifelong student and active promoter of Eastern mysticism and the Vedanta, seeing connections to the quantum world he was helping to reveal."
This caught my attention. I am curious to know more.
"Wholeness and the implicate order" by David Bohem is an amazing book. Glad he mentions him.
It is a great book, but half the people who read this comment and decided to read subsequently will probably have no idea what they're reading.
The discussions between Bohm and Krishnamurti are amazing.
Beautiful. Wonderful. Touching. Thank you!
I am intrigued by the idea that the design of the Achulean hand axe was unchanged for over a million years. It also embodies the ratio phi in two ways, as it’s length to width and as the location of its widest axis to length.
Never thought I’d see this pattern in a Ted talk. This pattern literally changed my life
how
> here is a Penrose tiling.
nice!
> here is islamic art resembling a Penrose tiling.
cool!
> here is some completely unrelated geometric art from other cultures.
…okay? it seems not toi bother you that there is no evident commonality (or "underlying unity") there?
> we could call this god, blah blah blah.
sure you can, and with the right connection you even get a TED talk for it, i guess…
Amazingly empty TED talk....
"you know what this is? This is life".... From this jump I knew it'll be bad, but man I was surprised to find out it was worse
I was surprised he didn't mention the ZELLIJ!
The Moroccan zellij is the most obvious and most magnificent example of the patterns he talked about throughout his whole speech.
The craftmen in Morocco even talk explicitly about the spiritual charge and the symbolic/semiotic dimensions of their works. It's almost esoteric.
Thankfully, they preserved this millenium art and they still make it to this day with the traditional and authentic methods. You can even go onsite and watch them realizing it in front of you. Such a gracious experience ❤.
I was blessed to witness that, and believe me, the patterns and even the whole process where they take an "ugly" dull clay all the way to shape such marvelous masterpieces is just so captivating. It will definitely shake your spirit while also challenging your intellect 👌🏻👌🏻.
It's an experience I HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY encourage people go for, especially if you visit the Imperial Cities of Fes or Marrakech in the Kingdom of Morocco.
The "Flower of Life" is part of Sacred Geometry and spans many cultures, all going back to the ancient Indo-Europeans who disseminated civilization and agriculture at the end of the last Ice Age.
@@AustinKoleCarlisle I know that already. I highly recommend the book of Iva Kenaz: Sacred Gemoetry and Magical Symbols 👌🏻
In the Moroccan art if zellij, you can see a predominant appearance of Hexagrams and double squares, which are also linked to the eight gates of heaven, the eight legs of Sleipnir, Odin's horse in Norse mythology as well as the eight realms of the Tree of Life...
thanks, beautiful designs
When you visit Marrakesh by air, look up as you leave the airport at the complex and beautiful pattern of the portico above the doors. It’s a city full of wonderful designs.
These type of patterns do send a message about structure and it's strengths and weaknesses . The structure @4:00 is a repeating pattern and can be made from a single line using duplicates at different angles . Many patterns of this nature can be formed without to much trouble . It is the interpretation that runs into some problems when filtered through most minds . :O)
What an absolutely amazing talk! Amazing!
More like a mysterious designING than A mysterious design. It's not a single design, but the impulse TO design "along certain lines" is apparently universal. Oh, and the term 'implicate order' is as lovely as they come.
I agree 😊 thank you for pointing that out. We don't give ourselves enough credit as a species, it seems natural for us to hand over the credit to some kind of God or something. I think it's because we're taught that pride is evil. It's great to have confidence. It's when we get lost in it and let it blind us that it becomes destructive
Made me immediately remember how I was amazed by the beauty of the patterns on the ceilings in Alhambra Palace❤
Thank you for this!! I have long believed there is no such thing as random. But there are patterns we cannot yet see.
This brings to mind Carl Jung's Collective Unconscious theory. I half-expected him to mention it, but he didn't.
A common core of humanity, I think. As a graphic designer my self, I found it fascinating.
Welcoming Mysterious Majesty of Nature Power! Thank you, Mr. Terry Moore. It was a curious and engaging moment!
The underlying geometry is there through time to be discovered, forgotten and discovered again. I wonder if Penrose consulted with anthropologists, artists, craftspeople and others who deal with culture and patterns to confirm how unique his tiling pattern was?
There are a lot of things that people will take for granted when all they need to do to disprove it is talk to an anthropologist. Economists have thought for ages that prior to capitalism, people lived in a barter economy, all because John Locke thought it sounded good and wrote it down, while anthropologists have known for ages that a society relying on a barter economy has never existed whatsoever
Penrose and m.c. escher corresponded about the topic of this video. You can see penrose's mind in some of escher's art
If he's anything like any of the other researches I've ever met, then no - he will have read every paper that was ever written on the subject, but has probably never even thought of the world outside of his lab.
Nobody cares about that stuff unfortunately, so no
"..stay hidden. Until the universe births human-beings worthy of your splendor.." - last words of Hermes Trismegistus
didnt expect this 6 min lecture to add something big and new to my worldview!
Interestingly, we study some of the same mathematical concepts in Sacred Geometry and we still use this same design in magical practice today. It is still connected with life and divination. I wad fascinated to see the this sidhe explain the same ideas while approaching the subject from an entirely different direction. Experiencing familiar knowledge from unfamiliar perspectives has got to be one of the most intriguing and enlightening gifts.
Thanks. Very insightful to me from both excellence of content and amazing composure in delivery.
My philosophy teacher would throw us out of the room if we ever said anything "was a metaphor for life."
Honestly a really good lecture. The most important part is probably at 4:28. That RPG skill tree design could honestly revolutionize the industry.
What’s RPG?
@@theubercaste R- Radioactivity
P-Packed
G-Galvanometers
That's not a RPG skill tree, that's a visualization of Tree of Life
@@lifeofapotato4595 Oh yeah bingo! That's a great name for the skill tree! Nice one.
It's the tree of life, when i saw the thumbnail, that's what came to mind first..
The colorful circles are of course the Sefirot, so majestic to me.
One could almost say this geometry rides the line of chaos and order, where life thrives. Potentially why its been universally appealing
being a jewelry designer, I hear you. I feel this way when I create designs and it is why I love doing it.
It's called Zellij. It is still made and produced manually even nowadays in Morocco.
Yeah I was surprised he didn't mention it!
The Moroccan zellij is the most obvious and most magnificent example of the patterns he talked about throughout his whole speech.
The "Flower of Life" is part of Sacred Geometry and spans many cultures, all going back to the ancient Indo-Europeans who disseminated civilization and agriculture at the end of the last Ice Age.
@@AustinKoleCarlisle everything is part of many cultures over time, eventually... The point here is that the only nomenclature and the single country that is still producing this is not even mentioned.... quite an oversight...
You do not need to go to any "obscure" spot in Morocco to see that, as soon as you land you'll see that all over.
@@confuzler6985 I'm saying that these supposedly separate cultures all trace their lineage back to the ancient Indo Europeans. Just for example, the Berbers in Morrocco are the last remaining people there who resemble the ancient peoples who originally settled that area. The same can be said of India, the Middle East, and even Peru, etc. This is all verified by genetics.
I hope one day he travel to India and have shock run through him seeing how this was all there waiting just to be discovered from a very ancient civilization that almost had science behind nuclear energy, planes, advance medicine and superior astronomy all entangled into spiritual and daily routine. India and parts around India has so many such things from ancient Indus civilization that it sometimes feels too good to be true.
I was a child when I kept drawing this design over and over again. I did not know what it was. As an adult I assumed it was a cut diamond!
If you did this naturally, if people can do it naturally, there is a lot to be said here.
nah, as a lifelong artist and designer I can tell you we do things mainly because they look appealing to the eye, and symmetry and patterns just happen to be the most appealing. If you breakdown everything into basic shapes, you will see similarities everywhere regardless of time period. That's why there are thousands of memes with the golden ratio slapped on top, it just fits everywhere. I do appreciate people trying to delve deeper into things but sometimes we are simple creatures. "Ooooo that looks pretty!" is basically the answer to most art.
Reminds me of that time when the Sumerians plagiarised Pythagoras' theorem (3:4:5) centuries before he was born or when the Chinese stole the arch from the Romans and sent it back in time,again by centuries.
Maybe I’m lost, but Penrose pattern is non-repeating forever. Why then does he show multiple repeating patterns as examples? Did I miss something? Wouldn’t an underlying pattern defeat the entire premise of Penrose tiles?
He was demonstrating that the aesthetic pattern was not repeated, but the construction pattern was repeated. Basically, the thing that causes the pattern to be nonrepetitive, is actually repeating itself to create that effect. It's the difference between looking at a holographic image with both eyes and how crossing your eyes produces an underlying effect. At least, that is my interpretation.
Something like 'implicate order', multi-directional stretch and tensile strength in certain handspun and woven textiles, has been noted by fiber artist Jillian Eve.
These mysterious designs are not just a statement - they are sounds. ALL sounds have a shape + form, all form has a sound. Basic + fundamental to our universe in archetypal patterns. The study of Cymatics have proved this. When I see these tile patterns on building, my thoughts are, wow - they must make an awesome collective sound!
Don't you love numerologists.
they can find whatever pattern and meaning they want to find.
Humans are pattern finding machines at a deep level. Their ability to accept patterns when there ISNT one is what makes magic tricks and most cons possible.
@JamesDecker7 I have always been fascinated by our natural pattern recognition abilities. Faces found through pareidolia are one of my favourite things to stumble upon.
if only he bothered to search for an underlying pattern instead of just "all geometric art looks the same to me"…
People throughout millennia have always found these meanings. These meanings remind us of a deeper truth within ourselves that has existed since the dawn of time. You strike me as someone that doesn’t find meaning in anything.
Maybe if you search for these meanings, you will come to know yourself. And find deeper meaning within yourself.
Chills. An excellent and apolitical summary of some wonderful things that we have in common.
Extrapolate this into 3 dimensions. We know you can fill 3D space with equal-sized cubes, as in a Cartesian XYZ coordinate system, but are there other ways to fill all of 3D space using volumes other than just cubes? Can you fill space completely using just 2 different shapes, repeated however many times? What would be the 3D equivalent word for 2-dimensional 'tiling'?
Many old buildings in Tashkent capital of Uzbekistan as well as other places there have these patterns all over, never knew it was this important 😢
That was excellent. What a tremendous resource this channel is. Thank you for helping me everyday in everyway.
It is incredibly interesting that we are connected through millenia by the logical shapes of geometry and mathematical principles. Now, if we could just figure out how to connect on a human level, imagine what we could achieve ❤
More nonsense I’m afraid. We are not “connected through the millennia” by geometry and maths. Geometry and maths have been around since the dawn of time, unlike humanity. Maths is not a human concept. It is a fabric of the universe.
And I always thought that wallpaper was so boring; so good to hear an entire lecture confirming that we all like a nice bit of wallpaper now and again.
Bravo 👍 I love this TedTalk Terry ❤
It's simply aesthetic patterns that humans like to see. Nothing more deep than that. I guess you could go into why it's so satisfying to see but i'm not sure he really addressed that at all.
Yeah, I mostly agree. I think there's another layer which is the fact that simple rules, when repeated, can lead to this sort of complex/aperiodic behavior. In that sense I think it points to something a bit deeper (not as in religious, though), which, as a thinking aid, can probably be applied to other things, in more or less direct ways. But I really don't see any surprise that multiple civilizations would have picked up on this, just like they had language and knew to count.
These patterns represent truths more eternal than a human’s aesthetic preferences… these patterns are mathematical in nature, so to easily dismiss that they tell us something about our universe is a little shortsighted. To relegate such patterns to ‘humans simply like the way they look’ is, I think, not looking at this with a full perspective
@AshMoses The real question here is if mathematic itself is fundamental or invented. It's an unanswered question that haunts philosophers aswell as mathematicians since Plato. If math is not fundamental but just a manmade concept (like everything else) , these mathematically repeating patterns are not "truths more eternal", they would then be nothing more than a coincidence arising from the conceptual way our math works (Like you get life-mimicing patterns from a few invented rules in Conways game of life) . An asthetic pattern humans like to see, nothing more.
On the other hand, if math would be fundamental...
I definitely felt underwhelmed by this talk. I think for many though, it tickled their feelings of specialness. This is probably important in some sense for social groups to develop a shared sense of reality and motivation.
While there are things to learn from such discoveries, I find many people exploit such to boost their own cognitive biases / imagination.
I did like how the speaker recognized this in some fashion and politely referenced people calling such different things depending on the person's contextual interpretation.
Fascinating with my traumatic brain injury I can see very entailed patterns that interact differently from different patterns that are always there kind of like if you were looking at something from the movie contact with Jodie Foster
Oh this must be the design of string theory. The large shapes are stars and universes both - they have the same basic shapes, with the other lines being the basics of magnetic forces, and all the other forces combined. This gives a complete design of all the underlying structures of the universes. This a geometric, philosophical representation of the universe.
I have seen these patterns used in abundance in Indian worship. But then we use different shapes to arrive at similar structures with similar nexus points. Not to mention the chakras that are talked in the Yogic scriptures. May be it is just coincidence, or may be it’s seeing things where there’s none, but it sure is interesting
The ancients had texts about geometry. They were as intelligent as we are. I do not think coming up with this pattern would be hard.
Well, it took us 500 years to rediscover it, so it can't be that easy either.
I like both of these points. Humans man.
You should have come up with it if you think it wasn't hard😂
I thought this was about Kabbalah by the thumbnail. A bit disappointed that it wasn't. But still.. pretty cool patterns there. Old civilizations certainly left many puzzles for us to solve.
Me too.😢
It was all about Kabbalah
that's metatron's tree of life, yeah?
Yea, that thumbnail signified a claptrap
yeah, thats what caught my eye, the tree of life in the thumbnail'
The car manufacturer Opel started using these shapes in some design details in 1978 and still uses them today.
Great lecture by great lecturer
It's embarrassing that a scientist from our time thought he made a discovery. But then realizes that it is present all around us in artwork, and have been for ages, lol
I've always believed that throughout history there have been many Einstein's and brilliant humans of what we falsely believe was only found starting in the 20th century. From Roman cement to Vedic math to Arabic astrology, they have had their greatest minds just like us.
This information is so important in understanding our creation as this is what it signifies, we come from one Source and that Source is alive and kicking here right now on this beautiful planet.....Hi, sending you all love love love.
Great speech ❤ For thousends of years Uzbekistan has been a core territoriy of Persian Dynasties (Achaemenids. Parthians and Sassanids and later during the Islamic accupation period up to. Seljuk dynasty. This part of the world a proudly looking back to a long long history of art, science and culture.
In an interview Penrose was asked whether there was any problem in physics that motivated his work on tiling.
Roger responded that he simply thought it was an interesting puzzle.
Not everything has to be driven by utilitarianism.
Interesting and fascinating.. your presentation was flawless and very captivating. Thank you for this TED talk mini lecture! Looking forward seeing you more!
That's very powerful!
Beautifully spoken, thank you.
Highly surprised he didn't mention "Flower of Life".
This information has been known for millennia as part of Sacred Geometry. Modern science is just now catching up...LOL
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I cant believe ive scrolled all the way down and you are the first being thats mentioning this 👍 no one seems to know that the thumbnail is the Tree of Life 😂 as a collective, we are so behind its unreal at this point x
That is in Zohar Kabbalah that pattern.
תודה רבה שלום
Thanks, he should have explained that more. It is similar to the 7 Chakras from the India done in yoga too.
What new shapes have we developed since then? They're pretty simple and connect easily. We love symmetry so it makes sense we'd create similar patterns with the same brains and on the same time line of growth.
Excellent talk
Does it show that if a designer/craftsperson plays long enough, they will reduce or extract a pattern as simple or beautiful as this?
yeah, like, these civilizations had multiple generations of craftspeople doing their thing and trying different patterns, tiling, etc. But yeah, I think if you spend some time trying stuff it's not too crazy that you might find something like these, since half the reason these are impressive is that the underlying logic of their construction is simple/elegant.
"It's truly remarkable to consider that the intricate architecture of the universe has been discerned in isolation over millennia."
Its like the fish realizing they are in water
I once heard this amazing quote "When everything around us is either destroyed, or gathering dust, it is the ARTS that will define us as a civilization."
Like many humans today, I have the attention span of a fish in a bowl. This gentleman is a genius. I even watched his video twice.
Very interesting. But to say aperiodic patterns revealed across cultures and time "is life" ... I'm still pondering. Perhaps a life force is involved in the pattern but not the pattern itself.
It reminds me of the Mandelbrot set. And those patterns appear over and over in design and in our imagination- especially linked to hallucinagenics.
Read the Fractal Geometry of Nature by Benoit Mandelbrot & the Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life by Drunvalo Melchizedek or watch the Fractal Holographic Universe lecture by Billy Carson
Awesome Ted Talk!!
I’m Buddhism it’s much about impermanence. When a Buddhist monk was asked how he would sum up Buddhism in a single statement, he replied: “Everything changes.”
blasted this video out the water from about 3.34
Sir Roger Penrose is an exceptional visionary. I am curious if he has spoken with Alfred North Whitehead. In addition to his legacy as a co-writer of Principia Mathematica, Whitehead's theory of "extensive abstraction" is considered foundational for the branch of ontology and computer science known as "mereotopology,"
I find Whitehead to be quite an interesting character as well. In keeping with the message of this talk, Whitehead started his career as a poster child for Materialist-reductionism, the mainstream view of the scientific institutions that hold we live in a random, essentially meaningless universe, that life and consciousness are mere epiphenomena of the playing out of chemical and physical processes. However, he along with a few other scientists tasked with creating an irrefutable argument for this worldview concluded the exact opposite, and he spent the later half of his career expressing beliefs in what can more or less be considered a form of Idealism, which would later be supported by findings in quantum physics.
But the materialist paradigm continues through the halls of academia regardless, for a multitude of reasons
@@LifeologyEducationProgram I think many things depend on one's perception. I tend to have a view which is reminiscent of Einstein or Spinoza. And I find it very strange that people will often claim Einstein and Spinoza were atheists. I have found Einstein and Spinoza's views to be spiritually invigorating. Where I depart from Einstein and Spinoza is the matter of 'childlike faith'. Based on what I have read, I do not think Einstein and Spinoza were ever able to achieve this childlike faith.
Northrop, not Whitehead coined "undifferentiated aesthetic continuum"
Is it coincidence that students at Wadham College, where Prof Penrose is or was based, describe him as a deeply good man
@@Anna-tj7mp As Einstein is reported to say, "Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous." I believe Sir Roger Penrose is a good man.
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