This was one of my early memories. My father at the time was part of the RAF Mountain Rescue, and was called out to attend in a support role. I remember him showing me a diagram of the cave in the newspaper.
I only learned of the tragedy after I had started caving. Having done the trip to Moss Chamber and seen the scene of the incident I can only say that the rescuers have my great respect.
No way, no way, no way. You could offer me a billion dollars and I wouldn't step more than two feet into that cave. Can you imagine being one of the first to explore it, and not knowing if you'd get stuck?!
Watching the progress of the team, i cant help but try to imagine how it was for the team trying to rescue Neil Moss dragging all sorts of equipment through those tight passageways. RIP Neil.
Good luck to those that do it but stories like this are why you'd never get me caving. The though of squeezing through tight passages , arms at my side just waiting for the moment I get stuck, unable to breathe makes me feel queasy just thinking about it
As someone who used to cave regularly. Getting stuck is quite hard to do and takes either effort or in the case of the guy who got trapped here a fall from height down a shaft combined with very bad luck. I once took a guy who claimed to be claustrophobic on a caving trip. I choose a place called Great Douk which is an easy active stream passage with no tight squeezes climbs sumps or other serious obstacles but still had some nice formations. He had a good time and has a nice selection of photographs to show his friends.
i dont know why you dont have more subscribers! the sound engineering and the music are incredible. by far! you are making the most intuitive and beautiful cave vidies!
In 2009 over 50 years later another caver John Jones lost his life in a cave called "The Nutty Putty Cave" in Utah US. The cave (entire cave) is sealed off and is his final resting place. May they both continue to R.I.P.
I just watch that, so sad. He was soon to be a dad and it was looking good like hopes he will come out but after so many attempts, unfortunately he was left to stay there. Extremely sad way to perish 😢🙏🏼
I was a very active caver for many years. This video re-enforces all the reasons I 'retired'--- for one thing, I like my knees and shins and muddy crawl ways burned me out. "There are Bold Cavers... There are Old Cavers... But there are no Old Bold Cavers......" .
I've experienced fear while rock climbing, mountaineering and skydiving many times, but nothing like the level of fear that I'd experience if I attempted this trip to the Moss Chamber. It's a huge NOPE from me!
Thank you. Have been trying to find an account of it. Followed it when it was happening - he was hallucinating at the end as I recall. Horrifying position to be in. Wonder what he’s doing now? Regards.
Only two that I know of that are in the exact spot they got stuck as their final resting place. Neil Moss and John Jones. Both caves still hold their remains to date
@@CaverKeith There is a tiny house actually built INTO the entrance of Peak Cavern... took me by surprise; I've been there many, many times - and never saw it b4... just the rope making equipment; so, was it just built as a little "extra" for the visitors? Beautiful part of the country, though - village of Castleton and Peveril of the Peak at the top of the (well, I call it) mountain. Wouldn't catch me in THAT??? part of the cavern though... NOT FOR A MILLION QUID!!!!
I hadn't appreciated how difficult it must've been for all the rescuers just having to get to where Neil was. Great video, & very professional lighting /camera work! I kind've like hearing the cave sounds more than the music tho', if that's not too ungrateful a thing to say! 😉
IKS Production (Real History) Thanks IKS. I was quite pleased with the scene in Moss Chamber where the caver comes through the pool and then the camera pans up to the flowstone formation. Sometimes things work out OK.
The shaft was not covered with cement.They put loose rocks down it. Unless I'm seeing something you can literally see the small hole at the end of the video where Neil entered the shaft.
Thanks. I do know this now, after reading Graham Proudlove's excellent book, 'A series of short passages'. Yes, the two cavers at the end are looking down the shaft. I do hope that my schoolboy error didn't spoil your enjoyment of the film. Keith
I have always been told that Neil was trapped in the Suicide cave further up the road. It turns out it was this cave. Why is the Suicide cave called this?
Dang, looking at that crevasse moss went down sure does make ya wonder why anyone in their right mind would go down that, but I guess that's the nature of spelunking. Never know till you go down!
Keith Edwards - He asked "then how can you look down it?" This was the main flaw in the video. We weren't expecting a 1 second shot of a tunnel that was supposedly sealed with a plaque. Where was the plaque in the video?
@@AllenMacCannell the shaft is deeper and curve, you cant see Neils Remains from the position they are looking from, cause it was sealed with rocks and cement after that curve. There is no plaque, just a misspelt scratch on the rock with the boy's name.
Good video, going to subscribe and you are extremely brave for doing this, don't think I would, but the only thing I didn't like was the dramatic music throughout your climb, would have been better to maybe here your thoughts at this time either in cave or afterwards when editing, but great content apart from that.
@keith edwards. Watching this, how did they do it back then, they did this in pitch darkness maybe a torch 🔦 per person? I don’t understand how you can go through those tight gaps and so far from the cave opening? I caught covid 3 years ago in the first wave and watching this gave me the panic when I was finding it hard to breathe. The logistics of a rescue so far into a cave, so hard to understand it. Amazing humans can do some real amazing things, but I’d prefer to stay Mr Average lol. 😂
Thanks for watching. Early cave explorers used candles. When I started we used old miner's lamps. Modern LED lighting is much brighter. We also always take backup lights. Statistically caving is very safe with very few accidents each year. However, you are correct that the logistics of cave rescue are complex. It is cavers who rescue fellow cavers and in a large rescue call-out in South Wales in 2021 over 250 unpaid volunteers turned up to assist in a successful rescue that took over 50 hours.
Ah, you just learn to negotiate terrain better. I don't think I have to do those consistent long term crawls but I do love to see the videos. Unreal respect for people that where trail blazers in this field.
Movies like The Descent think they need to add creepy creatures into these caves, when in fact the caves narrow and dangerous passages (and what they can do to you) are much more frightening to me, than stupid unrealistic, mutated naked humans.
I like to think that my caving videos show caves as they really are - nothing exaggerated. Like you I'm not a fan of films like The Descent. Mind you - stupid unrealistic, mutated naked humans, sounds a lot like my caving chums! 😀
No-one else went down that passage, other than the rescuers trying to help Neil 60+ years ago, if you watch the video the cavers are going past that area, not 'down' it. It's a very large cave btw, people used to live in the entrance where the show-cave tours start & it's been explored for hundreds of years.
This channel helps me catch a glimpses of places I would never dare to go
Thanks for watching.
Keith
This was one of my early memories. My father at the time was part of the RAF Mountain Rescue, and was called out to attend in a support role. I remember him showing me a diagram of the cave in the newspaper.
I only learned of the tragedy after I had started caving. Having done the trip to Moss Chamber and seen the scene of the incident I can only say that the rescuers have my great respect.
Poor guy 😔 so much bravery for those who endured all that to help him. R.I.P Neil.
No way, no way, no way. You could offer me a billion dollars and I wouldn't step more than two feet into that cave. Can you imagine being one of the first to explore it, and not knowing if you'd get stuck?!
lol !
WhiteN0iz I went down there today a short way on the tour and I have no idea how those people could do this for fun let alone for work!
Nobody every really knows if they’ll get stuck. Body types are all different.
Well Isn’t That Kind of What Gets These People Off!?!?
@WhiteNOiz I think for a billion dollars I'd step two feet into one. Once they see I'm in I come out and collect
Watching the progress of the team, i cant help but try to imagine how it was for the team trying to rescue Neil Moss dragging all sorts of equipment through those tight passageways. RIP Neil.
No, no, a thousand times no. I could NEVER go into a cave like that! Absolutely terrifying! Gives me claustrophobia just watching.
Me too
My stomach has never done such contortions, big respect to these people.
love the vid and i love how you put a map of the cave in the video. you should a map of the cave in more videos.
Good luck to those that do it but stories like this are why you'd never get me caving. The though of squeezing through tight passages , arms at my side just waiting for the moment I get stuck, unable to breathe makes me feel queasy just thinking about it
As someone who used to cave regularly. Getting stuck is quite hard to do and takes either effort or in the case of the guy who got trapped here a fall from height down a shaft combined with very bad luck. I once took a guy who claimed to be claustrophobic on a caving trip. I choose a place called Great Douk which is an easy active stream passage with no tight squeezes climbs sumps or other serious obstacles but still had some nice formations. He had a good time and has a nice selection of photographs to show his friends.
Rest in peace Neil.
i dont know why you dont have more subscribers! the sound engineering and the music are incredible. by far! you are making the most intuitive and beautiful cave vidies!
+fbabdiver Wow. Thanks for this great comment. Pleased you like the videos.
Probably your best video and it has a great story and a reminder of the dangers
Thanks. Fortunately incidents like this are extremely rare.
Is there a mc Donald’s half way down ?
In 2009 over 50 years later another caver John Jones lost his life in a cave called "The Nutty Putty Cave" in Utah US. The cave (entire cave) is sealed off and is his final resting place. May they both continue to R.I.P.
I just watch that, so sad. He was soon to be a dad and it was looking good like hopes he will come out but after so many attempts, unfortunately he was left to stay there. Extremely sad way to perish 😢🙏🏼
I was a very active caver for many years. This video re-enforces all the reasons I 'retired'--- for one thing, I like my knees and shins and muddy crawl ways burned me out.
"There are Bold Cavers...
There are Old Cavers...
But there are no Old Bold Cavers......"
.
I've been caving for well over thirty years which makes me an old caver but I'm not a bold caver.
Thanks for watching.
Poor Neil :( Thanks for sharing
This cave has its separate lore.
Even though I dont think I could handle such tiny spaces, seeing the Chamber at the end is amazing, its beyond words❗️👍🏼
It is pretty cool.
@@CaverKeith I think that has ti be an understatement ❗️I was like OMG its amazing ❗️
How would the first person to explore a cave have any idea if there is an exit? Or if they even have room to turn around if they get stuck?
Looks like an interesting explore, will have to add it to my list of caves to check out..
It is a great trip. I can recommend it.
Great channel, great video, thanks Nutters !
I've experienced fear while rock climbing, mountaineering and skydiving many times, but nothing like the level of fear that I'd experience if I attempted this trip to the Moss Chamber. It's a huge NOPE from me!
There was me thinking ‘this looks like fun’ and then they get to the eyehole at 5:22 and I’m like nope! That would make me panic.
I’m only 3:50 in and I’m terrified at the fact you’re saying there’s a worse part of this cave
Just got to there and I think I’ll take a one way ticket on the nope train to nopeville
Thank you. Have been trying to find an account of it. Followed it when it was happening - he was hallucinating at the end as I recall. Horrifying position to be in. Wonder what he’s doing now? Regards.
The eyehole part gave me a heartattack.
That eyehole squeeze. Holy hell. Would think more ppl die
Seeing them wriggle through like that, it would be surely impossible to recover a body or even someone unconscious to the surface.
it takes very special people to enjoy this type of hobbie
thx for video. Thats incredible.
You guys go ahead...
I'll stay here and watch the stuff.
For those who want to see the shaft where Neil Moss was trapped, it shows up at 9:20.
I thought there would be many deaths in caving but there's only been a surprising few over the last century and the bulk of those were drownings.
They're the most awful deaths when they do happen though
Mike Anderson huh? That was the dumbest comment I’ve seen yet lol
Only two that I know of that are in the exact spot they got stuck as their final resting place. Neil Moss and John Jones. Both caves still hold their remains to date
Did they seal over the shaft that is Neil Moss’s final resting place? It wasn’t clear at all from the video.
@@ronaldsteele6151
Mossdale Caverns too
Neil is still down there...
So I believe. 🙁
Once again a great video. We were in there a couple of weeks ago :)
One of the best trips and should be on everyone's to do list
***** I agree, it is one of the absolute classics.
@@CaverKeith There is a tiny house actually built INTO the entrance of Peak Cavern... took me by surprise; I've been there many, many times - and never saw it b4... just the rope making equipment; so, was it just built as a little "extra" for the visitors? Beautiful part of the country, though - village of Castleton and Peveril of the Peak at the top of the (well, I call it) mountain. Wouldn't catch me in THAT??? part of the cavern though... NOT FOR A MILLION QUID!!!!
No thanks!
Cool adventure...but I'll pass on the squeeze parts!
Rob Farrow The only tricky squeeze is the eyehole and it is a classic caving trip.
I hadn't appreciated how difficult it must've been for all the rescuers just having to get to where Neil was. Great video, & very professional lighting /camera work! I kind've like hearing the cave sounds more than the music tho', if that's not too ungrateful a thing to say! 😉
Thanks for watching. A lot of people agree with you regarding music.
Keith
Excellent video
IKS Production (Real History) Thanks IKS. I was quite pleased with the scene in Moss Chamber where the caver comes through the pool and then the camera pans up to the flowstone formation. Sometimes things work out OK.
The shaft was not covered with cement.They put loose rocks down it.
Unless I'm seeing something you can literally see the small hole at the end of the video where Neil entered the shaft.
Thanks. I do know this now, after reading Graham Proudlove's excellent book, 'A series of short passages'.
Yes, the two cavers at the end are looking down the shaft.
I do hope that my schoolboy error didn't spoil your enjoyment of the film.
Keith
That’s a whole lot of “nope” from me.
That's incredible
A very sad tale.
I have always been told that Neil was trapped in the Suicide cave further up the road. It turns out it was this cave. Why is the Suicide cave called this?
I don't really know but I suspect it is because it contains a lot of loose boulders so trips in it could be considered 'suicidal'.
An incredible video!
Thank you.
What would’ve also been cool was if they found the engraving in the rock saying RIP Neil Moss.
Hello! What is the name of the cave? where is it located? Is there topography? Greetings and good work!
The name of the cave is in the title of the video. The show cave has a website at peakcavern.co.uk and surveys can be found online.
Keith Edwards thank you very much 👍
Dang, looking at that crevasse moss went down sure does make ya wonder why anyone in their right mind would go down that, but I guess that's the nature of spelunking. Never know till you go down!
Spot on!
@Wassup-Doc Sweet dreams.
I'm about to have a panic attack watching them go thru the Eyehole lol. I could never do that
It is a little committing but it's really not that bad. No need to panic.
So have they sealed the part where he was stuck?
Yes.
Keith Edwards so how can they look down it ?
Keith Edwards - He asked "then how can you look down it?"
This was the main flaw in the video. We weren't expecting a 1 second shot of a tunnel that was supposedly sealed with a plaque.
Where was the plaque in the video?
@@AllenMacCannell the shaft is deeper and curve, you cant see Neils Remains from the position they are looking from, cause it was sealed with rocks and cement after that curve. There is no plaque, just a misspelt scratch on the rock with the boy's name.
Good video, going to subscribe and you are extremely brave for doing this, don't think I would, but the only thing I didn't like was the dramatic music throughout your climb, would have been better to maybe here your thoughts at this time either in cave or afterwards when editing, but great content apart from that.
Thank you.
Can you share video or photos as far as Neils tomb is visible? To this memorial sign?
Nah, there's not one photo of the alleged concrete grave and inscription on the Internet. Would be a million-dollar shot, I guess.
ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=21652.0
Scroll down on here to see pictures of his engraving
i mean have you watched the whole video?? its in 00:09:21
I don't see the fascination in getting stuck in a hole for bugger all
@keith edwards. Watching this, how did they do it back then, they did this in pitch darkness maybe a torch 🔦 per person? I don’t understand how you can go through those tight gaps and so far from the cave opening? I caught covid 3 years ago in the first wave and watching this gave me the panic when I was finding it hard to breathe. The logistics of a rescue so far into a cave, so hard to understand it. Amazing humans can do some real amazing things, but I’d prefer to stay Mr Average lol. 😂
Thanks for watching. Early cave explorers used candles. When I started we used old miner's lamps. Modern LED lighting is much brighter. We also always take backup lights.
Statistically caving is very safe with very few accidents each year. However, you are correct that the logistics of cave rescue are complex. It is cavers who rescue fellow cavers and in a large rescue call-out in South Wales in 2021 over 250 unpaid volunteers turned up to assist in a successful rescue that took over 50 hours.
@5:30 confirms my "NOPE" about going caving. Wet or dry.
Hi Peter. It was only a little bit cosy/snug.
The caves and cliffs is good
👍
R.I.P.
i can appreciate dedication to conservation but if people insist on caving then why not bring some tools to slightly widen the very narrow passages?
That would spoil the fun 🤩
How do you know you're going the right way?
1. By consulting the survey.
2. By going with experienced cavers who know the way.
SWEET!
How sore is the body after those kids of crawls?
Novice cavers tend to bruise a lot. Experienced cavers can usually negotiate Pickerings Passage without any harm.
Ah, you just learn to negotiate terrain better. I don't think I have to do those consistent long term crawls but I do love to see the videos. Unreal respect for people that where trail blazers in this field.
Keith Edwards - What happens if you do body building along with this sport?
My palms and feet are sweating jets 😅😅
😢
What boots are you using ?
Dunlop wellies.
Keith Edwards ok
Have you seen the movie, The Descent? god, all of this gives me the creeps
skovacs__ Hi, I have seen the movie and I can assure you that caving is absolutely nothing like it is depicted in the film.
so... no humaniod monsters that try to eat you if you venture too far?
skovacs__ The scariest things are the people I go caving with!
Have u seen the last decent?
@@ariesbaby647 yes I have and own the movie. Hard to watch at times
Wow that amazing
Oliver and me Thanks. It's a great caving trip.
Beautiful but deadly !
The eyehole gave me anxiety
Good
NO thanks!
Ok. We'll take you down there someday.
Cameraman is everywhere 😂
You better believe it.
Did you find the body of Neil Moss?
The area where the shaft was respectfully covered is shown on the video; you want them to dig it up for you?
@@TheMercury-13yes
You go first...it might be dangerous 😳.
Eureka - by Huma Huma
Movies like The Descent think they need to add creepy creatures into these caves, when in fact the caves narrow and dangerous passages (and what they can do to you) are much more frightening to me, than stupid unrealistic, mutated naked humans.
I like to think that my caving videos show caves as they really are - nothing exaggerated. Like you I'm not a fan of films like The Descent. Mind you - stupid unrealistic, mutated naked humans, sounds a lot like my caving chums! 😀
👍🔥😉
5:35 sod that for a lark,
It's just a tiny bit cosy.
Doing this is just so schewwwpid innit.
I loved this cave! Nice to meet you btw 😁
Check out my video of Peak Cavern:
th-cam.com/video/Gp4_24txJnY/w-d-xo.html
No thanks, I’ll pass.
P.S. make sure to bring a lovely Pelican case w/you also. Happy cold, muddy squeezing!!!
So, guy goes down a hole and gets stuck and dies, and others think "Hey, let's follow him" ?? Seems like a good idea!!
No-one else went down that passage, other than the rescuers trying to help Neil 60+ years ago, if you watch the video the cavers are going past that area, not 'down' it. It's a very large cave btw, people used to live in the entrance where the show-cave tours start & it's been explored for hundreds of years.