Why do you folks do this? Jamo posted a picture of Jackson in a Lions uni. Goff has never looked his way. Can we finally accept Goff and Jamo don’t work well together? Williams could be far more. Involved. Frankly it’s time we admit: dude doesn’t want to be here.
@@thomaswatkins3686bullshit, are you blind? It’s clear Goff doesn’t have the confidence to get him the ball cause he lacks Arm strength. Goff has never been a great deep ball thrower that’s why mcvey got rid of him we’ve been saying this all year but for some reason some fans keep defending Goff and trying to blame jamo
Goff has agreed that his weakness with outdoor winds and weather to his passing. Hendon Hookers arm and release are better than Goff's... but needs Goff's acumen of defenses, and windows -where and when to hit small windows... when DB is winded, slowed or weak... throw the LEVIS to Hopkins rainbows?! Stroud is hitting in stride, full post long... Hits receiver's catch area 80%+. Coach, Quarterback or Players turnovers & penalties! 100% of all 32 NFL COACHES would select this answer on an evaluation test.😮 Goff's smarts and knowledge are his best traits. "Yup, You knows it -- Yoopers con see intelligence ina football, Eh?" YOU BETCHA! 😊
@knowledgedroppa6071 I been seeing this since last year.This is Goff limitation!! Someone with a strong arm or the ability to extend plays would allow Jamo to eat assuredly!!
@@joegalloway9011part of correct play calling is knowing the limitations of your QB. You can pin it on Goff all you want, but poor play calling is actually happening.
@honolulublues5548 so what do you do as a play caller when the defense is taking away the only throws your qb can complete? And that qb can't move in the pocket to extend plays? There has been plenty of immobile qb's but the difference between them and goff is they can still make ALL THE THROWS. I have a feeling the next 4 games if our run game is not dominant we will struggle again because like I said he is such a limited qb the rams gave us 2 first round picks to take him.
I have been defending Goff this past 4 or 5 weeks….but I just can’t anymore. This was absolutely atrocious. Every ball was a wounded duck, I have seen more athleticism from a sloth, his accuracy has disappeared and his decision making rivals a gnat.
Glad to see you pinning this on Ben Johnson and Goff. Goff hasn't played well, except San Diego, since Baltimore game. Ben needs to be asked why he can't seem to get a #12 overall pick the ball
Look what Gibbs did when Monty got hurt. Then Ben Johnson didn't have a choice but get him the ball and now he's a legit NFL back. They need to have a plan to win by using Jamo to kill other teams.
It is true that his ball wobbles in doors as well, but he is used to that. What he is not used to is throwing in a breeze where the ball is impacted more than enough, to throw off the timing. @@Victor-xr3it
The Lions are a draft or two away from a consistent contender. They have amassed 9 wins so far. Great. They still need a few pieces to compete with the top teams. O-line is a puzzle when one player is out. The secondary has second stringers starting. Pass rush is hit or miss.They may need a more creative QB going forward. Ben may have a job already in place. Shades of how Mc Vay viewed Goff in LA? You cant run plays if you don't have the athlete to execute. Lets see how this unfolds. I'm excited.
Only thing is the rest of the division aren’t going to stay where they are. Packers already look like best team in division. Bears have tons of high draft picks.
@@anthonylong5870this is so overblown! He hasn't had the drops lately & you know the abundance of good receivers that had drop issues early in their career & turned out just fine.You didn't see drops at Bama so safe to assume it won't be a issue throughout his career.
As a Detroit fan I'm so proud of how they're doing, I believe they have so much potential and sometimes they do great but these last weeks made me realize that they have to step up their game. The first half of the season they only had 2 losses and were doing perfectly fine but this second half they have lost easy games and showed how much they are flawed. Overall I think they could 100% fix their problems these last games, ggs to the Chicago fans out there, you had us beat have a great day.
I'm a Chicago Bears fan and I saw this coming.I knew if the Bears scored first that would set the tone for the rest of the game.Besides every in Chicago know Jared Groff can't play outside in the elements..lol
I’ve been saying this from day 1. We had a true franchise guy (Stafford) and the Rams went and traded for him and gave up on a 26 year old. An offensive genius like McVay. They wanted to start an UDFA over Goff in the playoffs. We can’t pay him. He did all of this on the Rams. He limits your offense.
Bek Johnson always does that. He gets so pass happy. That's why the Saints got back in the game. He just started throwing the ball like crazy with a 21 point lead and never burned time off the clock. He's going to cost us a playoff game and I'll actually be happy when he leaves. He's a great O-coordinator but has clear limitations and good defensive coaches can shut him down.
I remember that season when the Lions began the season 5-0 and looked like world beaters. They didn't win but one or two games the rest of the season and finished dead last. Oh, this Lions team brings back such good memories.
The issue is a combination of things, but ultimately on BJ/MCDC/BH here. Goff rushes his throws and the ball comes out a lame duck (should be fixed with coaching). Goff can throw a deep ball and to the sidelines (he just can't under pressure, or without a throwing lane) which can be fixed with coaching. They have a running back that was averaging 7 yards per carry, but they decide to keep throwing it (can be fixed with coaching). Sure, Goff is limited, but we all saw that when things are right for him, he can succeed. That's on coaching.
Chris said it perfect. The defense isnt terrible. They just aren't good enough to pick up when the offense plays this bad. And yes Craig. Goff isnt good enough to do what Ben wants
I totally agree every basic level fan blames the defense so much but the offense has had pitiful games , we understand the offense is top whatever , a top offense in the league shouldn’t ever be that cold
It's actually nice to see people criticizing Goff finally. People always just said how I was a negative SOL fan but he's been bad for maybe 4 weeks now.
Crazy part is. In last four games. Bears. Packers. Saints. Bears. The lions have been outplayed for 80% of all that football played. That’s scary. They look like a first round exit at this point.
I remember Sean McVay making this comment about the trade for Stafford- It's going to be nice to have a quarterback that allows you to use the whole playbook. Goff is the problem. That's why they traded Goff for Stafford and threw in two first and a third round pick.
Ive been thinking of this for weeks now but EVERYONE keeps saying our D is horrible. Our D kept us in it till we had them 4th n 13 then we fumble I'll say it again our O is overrated as well as Ben Johnson RUN THE DAMN BALL
Glenn is a problem. Goff is super average in a ton of aspects. We also need to add D lineman. We missed at the trade deadline. I don't know if we have a better option, but Goff is playing for his future in Detroit these next 4 games.
Honestly the thing I noticed a lot one of the worst plays we continue to do is Goff on a roll out trying to throw while on the run , it’s incomplete or a possible interception … Goffs mobility will continue to limit us … top 5 QBs all are mobile ( Mahomes , Allen , Herbert , Burrow , Lamar , Hurts , Dak , etc ) all way more athletic and tiers above us
💯we need a QB that can run the ball. Bears QB provide it. If you only stay in the pocket you better have a front line to give you more time and Goff is not getting protection.
No. Goff is not good. He has luxury pieces and a top 3 line when healthy. Dude needs everything around him going right or he folds. Ben Johnson has been garbage and we all know AG has no talent on defense. Everyone on this staff gets blame because that grit biting kneecap shit is a joke. Grit only gets you so far when your team lacks talent in major areas. We need to come to grips that we have progressed since 2021 but we are still far away from where we need to be to compete against elite teams.
@@webechubbin I was thinking this club has been so bad that fans have largely stayed away. Maybe the early focus on offense was to regain some lost interest. Maybe it will take a few years, but for too much of my lifetime the Lions haven’t even been a .500 to .600 team.
Upcoming schedule Denver probably going to be 7-6 At Minnesota. Going back to 1992, Detroit has won just 6 times in Minnesota At Dallas. A legit 9-3 Minnesota at home At home vs Minnesota is literally their best chance at a win coming up. This isn’t going to end well.
You are absolutely right. I don't think Goff's arm is strong enough to get Jamo the ball. He throws wobbly passes when he has to go deep. No athletism at all if he was mobile it would cut back on some of those four and outs.
I think the problem is that we expect a perfect season from the lions bc of all the hype around them from the end of last season. When really, we are still rebuilding. 3 bad games out of 13??? Like that is amazing for a team still rebuilding. 😅
That’s a good point. I predicted 12 wins. While I’m happy with the progress they’ve made, today’s loss was embarrassing. Chicago is not Baltimore. The Baltimore game, I understood. This one, I don’t. The fact that Jamo is being incredibly underused is extremely troubling. He’s a loaded weapon, but they won’t cock the damned gun…never mind Fire. It’s not just puzzling…it’s frustrating as hell.
I didn’t wanna say nothing but does anyone notice that since the offense changed from pounding with Montgomery to trying for explosive plays with Gibbs more often the offense has been rly shaky??
You guys are hilarious. Johnson goes from a genius to a bum in the course of one week. The O-line was out of sync with Ragnow out and we saw more drops today than we have all season. I was expecting the Bears to play a good game. Give them a little ctedit.
It’s very possible. Denver is hot Minnesota in Minnesota has been a house of horrors Dallas is a top 4 team in the league Minnesota at home might be for all the marbles.
@dougmichaelroossien9115 You’re fighting a losing battle. Fans constantly over value linemen. They honestly believe a center in the first is a great pick,
@thomaswatkins3686 there is a reason it's a great pic. So many teams are taking skill players (such as a tone on QBs) in the first this year. So instead of the first 2 to 4 excellent lineman getting picked in the first 10 to 15, they will fall to us the later first round.
I can’t disagree with you guy about anything that you mentioned today but the officiating today was absolutely horrible. However, I wonder what happened to the long passing game gone? I wonder if Goff is playing hurt? He has not played well since the bi-week. This shows me that we don’t sign Goff to any type of extension contract. I wonder why they haven’t told him to sit and play Bridgewater to get a spark.
Just stop typing. The Lions defense has been awful all season. You don’t get to blame the refs when it fails. 31 fanbases could do that. You sound foolish.
Goff's inability to hit the deep ball really concerns me. Johnson, seems to know Goff's limitation and we sometimes get weird play calls in long yardage situations. It rarely turns out well. The weapons this offense has should be steamrolling defenses. I don't want to see a career ending new contract with Goff. With likely a new coordinator next year, it's time to give Hooker the Green light in 2024. From what I seen in college he has deep ball capability and he is hopefully still as mobile. What we are seeing is not a playoff caliber team. Also, Cambell has to stop hurting the defense with 4 down calls deep in our own territory. Plenty of time on the clock, it was ridiculous.
Secondary is totally bad, bewildered by Justin Fields magic in 2 games. Ranked 21st in the NFL yards allowed, ranked 30th in 2022. This team is not ready for prime time.
9-8 miss the playoffs, no worry only year 3 of 5. Next year last place in North, GB and Chic improve.. Lion fans excited for high draft choice. Campbell and Holmes get 5 year extension to restart new 5 year plan. I've been watching this crap since they traded Bobby Layne when I was 12. SOL
No, they haven't. The thing is, we are ahead of schedule on the contention thing. We all knew coming into the year our defense was weak. We patched some holes with some free agents that ended up getting hurt. That is why they fail... And Campbell going for it on 4th down in our territory too often.
The problem before was that we couldn't beat any good teams. Still a problem. What was not a problem is beating bad teams(record wise and talent wise, I know every team has great talent but Lions were supposed to be better than the Bears and Packers). Now, that's a problem. The biggest problem is it's trending in the wrong direction at the worst possible time.
Concerning Goff not able to pass the ball deep, it sure looks that way. Lots of dropped passes... lots of bad passes with AND without pressure. Leaky O line... play calls in the second half by Johnson.... oh boy. And why are we still playing Jacobs? He gets regularly beat and teams are picking on him because the tape doesn't lie, they know it, pick on the weak! Why play him? If we keep playing like this, we'll lay and egg to the Vikings twice in a row! We really messed the bed!! 😳🥺
ride this season out with Goff. No extension. open training camp and either move another QB up, whoever is the BEST on the field. It is not Goff's spot to lose
I've never heard you all go so hard on how bad we were. I agree, Jared Goff was horrible. Why believe balls. The deep shot to Jamo with short by 5 yards. Today the offense lost this game. The defense is still horrible, Aaron Glenn needs to go but today Ben Johnson may have cost himself a head coaching job.
Whats sad is ya have a number 22 Bob Hayes who we have in Jameo and ya can't put a long ball up for him to run underneath the ball told ya once to start using him more the more ya go to him will open it up for others this should of never happened after we taken lead should of been no looking back from that point ya can't put this on defense all though they let acouple get by are offence couldn't keep are defense off the field.
I’m not one to jump ship and I’m not expecting a perfect season good teams will lose but goff has shown us why Sean mcvay and the rams moved on from him AFTER A SUPERBOWL APPEARANCE they seen that he doesn’t have that dog in him and he can’t perform if even the tiniest amount of pressure is around him sorry to say but Goff cannot lead a team
People absolutely losing their 💩 Look at teams like the Chiefs and Bills, they have records considerably worse than ours. We are 9-4. Too much recency bias going on regarding Goff imo. Im not even a huge fan of his but hes the guy atm so he gets my support until he isnt🤷♂️ Can't even take people seriously if they suggest benching him for Teddy or worse still Hendon
Not a hater and it is not my money to spend but come on that was not a 40 to 50 mil qb performance let alone a 30 something per annum. More money for rest of team. Go Lions!
Guys, you both know that defense wins championships! But our offense seems to lack focus! Ben Johnson needs to go to basics so Golf can do what is best! I have watched the clown show and regardless of the talent we can’t close the deal! For the Denver game bench the OC and DC and have some other coach!
I'm concerned, he never call screens or take shots down the field to loosen the middle up. He continues to force the middle.. Lions setting up the offensive weapons for Hooker!!!!
We can't re-sign Goff, he's to expensive for what he is. Open up the competition at QB in training camp and prey Hooker wins job. He's accurate, mobile, he can throw the long ball and he's way less expensive which would allow us to sign our own free agents and some others.
Goff makes your offense very predictable. Teams don t really need to cover deep .no one is afraid of a scramble stop the run cover the short middle game over
when as the last time we threw deep to try and loosen up the defense? That offense was not even as good as Barry run left, Barry run right, Barry run straight, punt.
It was just not a good game all around with the players and the coaches. Goff has been off the last few weeks, dropped balls, going for it on 4th and 10, etc. defense I thought played a tiny bit better today but that’s not saying much with the current group. Earlier this season we thought these last month of games would be wins but the teams see will be playing can beat us with how we are now. Not sure how we can turn it around.
Hendon Hooker will look like Love for a while. Detroit fans need to be patient and not expect an instant playoff team. Finish better than last year, and keep adding pieces toward a long term goal.
@jamesalan1476 Dude. If the Lions finish 9-8, like last year, after starting 8-2, Dan Campbell should never coach another game in Detroit. It’s honestly that simple. They could win 1 more. But look at their remaining schedule. A loss to Denver and going to a place they are horrible in and the Dallas says they could be realistically staring at 9-8 going into the last weekend. That would be the epitome of epic failure, even at 10-7.
@@thomaswatkins3686 it would be a let down but this isn’t the team that started the season. Also, don’t you think they will focus more on defense in the next draft?
Such a good idea not to make big moves for Young or Sweat before the trade deadline they had a chance to get REAL help but they pooped their pants instead
Been fan my whole life since born in Pontiac in 1985 all my comment meant to me was the Lions could have put it all out for a DEEP run this year... Chase and Hutch locking down each side of defense would be deadly 💪
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I did see Goff throw one spiral, but only one.
Good eyes bro. Good eyes.
Goffs play today was the reason McVay traded him.
Baby hands and I honestly hate those gloves
@@Det1911 It's shocking he's gotten this far without being able to throw a tight spiral.
I'm just going to says... it's all scripted ...
There was at least 3 times that Jamo was wide open down the field and Goff never tried to throw to him.
Why do you folks do this?
Jamo posted a picture of Jackson in a Lions uni. Goff has never looked his way.
Can we finally accept Goff and Jamo don’t work well together? Williams could be far more. Involved.
Frankly it’s time we admit: dude doesn’t want to be here.
@@thomaswatkins3686bullshit, are you blind? It’s clear Goff doesn’t have the confidence to get him the ball cause he lacks Arm strength. Goff has never been a great deep ball thrower that’s why mcvey got rid of him we’ve been saying this all year but for some reason some fans keep defending Goff and trying to blame jamo
@@andrewp6220 Pro-tec-tion
Goff has agreed that his weakness with outdoor winds and weather to his passing.
Hendon Hookers arm and release are better than Goff's... but needs Goff's acumen of defenses, and windows -where and when to hit small windows... when DB is winded, slowed or weak... throw the LEVIS to Hopkins rainbows?!
Stroud is hitting in stride, full post long...
Hits receiver's catch area 80%+.
Coach, Quarterback or
Players turnovers & penalties!
100% of all 32 NFL COACHES would select this answer on an evaluation test.😮
Goff's smarts and knowledge are his best
traits.
"Yup, You knows it --
Yoopers con see
intelligence ina football,
Eh?"
YOU BETCHA!
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@knowledgedroppa6071 I been seeing this since last year.This is Goff limitation!! Someone with a strong arm or the ability to extend plays would allow Jamo to eat assuredly!!
The offensive play calling has been bad the last 4 games
they are TRYING to answer the calls for more Jamo ...look at the press ....problem is HE CAN'T
It's not ben Johnson play calling its the limitations of goff
@@joegalloway9011part of correct play calling is knowing the limitations of your QB. You can pin it on Goff all you want, but poor play calling is actually happening.
@honolulublues5548 so what do you do as a play caller when the defense is taking away the only throws your qb can complete? And that qb can't move in the pocket to extend plays? There has been plenty of immobile qb's but the difference between them and goff is they can still make ALL THE THROWS. I have a feeling the next 4 games if our run game is not dominant we will struggle again because like I said he is such a limited qb the rams gave us 2 first round picks to take him.
@@joegalloway9011both but brad Holmes the main problem
I have been defending Goff this past 4 or 5 weeks….but I just can’t anymore. This was absolutely atrocious. Every ball was a wounded duck, I have seen more athleticism from a sloth, his accuracy has disappeared and his decision making rivals a gnat.
And this happen out of no where. He came off strong and then all of sudden fumbles, ints, multiple turnovers. He just fell off.
Glad to see you pinning this on Ben Johnson and Goff. Goff hasn't played well, except San Diego, since Baltimore game. Ben needs to be asked why he can't seem to get a #12 overall pick the ball
Look what Gibbs did when Monty got hurt. Then Ben Johnson didn't have a choice but get him the ball and now he's a legit NFL back.
They need to have a plan to win by using Jamo to kill other teams.
Goff is the issue, especially outdoors. Balls were consistently thrown short or behind. A wobbling spiral is worse in the wind than a tight one.
Goff is trash all of his throws wobble even when he’s playing indoors, outdoors or in warm weather
It is true that his ball wobbles in doors as well, but he is used to that. What he is not used to is throwing in a breeze where the ball is impacted more than enough, to throw off the timing. @@Victor-xr3it
He's turning back into a turnover machine as well. I think we really need to consider taking a QB in the next draft.
The Lions are a draft or two away from a consistent contender. They have amassed 9 wins so far. Great. They still need a few pieces to compete with the top teams. O-line is a puzzle when one player is out. The secondary has second stringers starting. Pass rush is hit or miss.They may need a more creative QB going forward. Ben may have a job already in place. Shades of how Mc Vay viewed Goff in LA? You cant run plays if you don't have the athlete to execute. Lets see how this unfolds. I'm excited.
I agree, if they suck this year? At least they get better draft position to get the last few holes filled
Too bad every other team in the north is as well
Only thing is the rest of the division aren’t going to stay where they are. Packers already look like best team in division. Bears have tons of high draft picks.
These are Games they should be winning they just lost to a 4 win team
@@irish6783 Very true.
Exactly, Jamo is not a threat if you don’t throw it down field to him. Goff with gloves is a nonstarter
Jamon drops 75% of the passes they target him with.....Yeah he is fast but he has bad hands
@@anthonylong5870this is so overblown! He hasn't had the drops lately & you know the abundance of good receivers that had drop issues early in their career & turned out just fine.You didn't see drops at Bama so safe to assume it won't be a issue throughout his career.
As a Detroit fan I'm so proud of how they're doing, I believe they have so much potential and sometimes they do great but these last weeks made me realize that they have to step up their game. The first half of the season they only had 2 losses and were doing perfectly fine but this second half they have lost easy games and showed how much they are flawed. Overall I think they could 100% fix their problems these last games, ggs to the Chicago fans out there, you had us beat have a great day.
I'm a Chicago Bears fan and I saw this coming.I knew if the Bears scored first that would set the tone for the rest of the game.Besides every in Chicago know Jared Groff can't play outside in the elements..lol
Goff won 3 games last year...outside on the road...giants..jets...bears...ps. Detroit 9 - 4
Chicago knew it too because they won the coin toss and elected to receive the kick
I’ve been saying this from day 1. We had a true franchise guy (Stafford) and the Rams went and traded for him and gave up on a 26 year old. An offensive genius like McVay. They wanted to start an UDFA over Goff in the playoffs. We can’t pay him. He did all of this on the Rams. He limits your offense.
This is fact! But you have to be able to take off the rose colored glasses to see it I guess!
Its not ben Johnson its goff limitations and our defense is what it is but if our offense cant produce we are screwed.
To see the lions stop doing what was working on offense is crazy!
Bek Johnson always does that. He gets so pass happy.
That's why the Saints got back in the game. He just started throwing the ball like crazy with a 21 point lead and never burned time off the clock.
He's going to cost us a playoff game and I'll actually be happy when he leaves. He's a great O-coordinator but has clear limitations and good defensive coaches can shut him down.
The Lions are disintegrating before our eyes.
I remember that season when the Lions began the season 5-0 and looked like world beaters. They didn't win but one or two games the rest of the season and finished dead last. Oh, this Lions team brings back such good memories.
Sounds like a lot of Lions fans want to give Goff the “HOOK” !!!
Can't hit Jamo unless he is 25 yards or less ... Never been overthrown yet this year. WHY? so, what to fear?
It’s not fear.
Goff doesn’t like him and he doesn’t like Goff. Goff has 4 guys he would look for before him.
Why is this so unbelievable to some?
@@thomaswatkins3686Because he’s the only one open.
@@thomaswatkins3686So you rather lose than throw to a wide open Jamo? That's pathetic
@@mrq2044He’s got to be trolling
Graded them an F all the way around
The issue is a combination of things, but ultimately on BJ/MCDC/BH here. Goff rushes his throws and the ball comes out a lame duck (should be fixed with coaching). Goff can throw a deep ball and to the sidelines (he just can't under pressure, or without a throwing lane) which can be fixed with coaching. They have a running back that was averaging 7 yards per carry, but they decide to keep throwing it (can be fixed with coaching). Sure, Goff is limited, but we all saw that when things are right for him, he can succeed. That's on coaching.
It's 75 Ben 25 Goff. This game was badly called. Look up top 10 longest in air passes in history. Goffs in there.
History be damn! I look at Jamo having a DB beat & Goff not looking his way or Goff lacking the confidence in his arm to get it to him.
Chris said it perfect. The defense isnt terrible. They just aren't good enough to pick up when the offense plays this bad. And yes Craig. Goff isnt good enough to do what Ben wants
I totally agree every basic level fan blames the defense so much but the offense has had pitiful games , we understand the offense is top whatever , a top offense in the league shouldn’t ever be that cold
It's actually nice to see people criticizing Goff finally.
People always just said how I was a negative SOL fan but he's been bad for maybe 4 weeks now.
Crazy part is. In last four games. Bears. Packers. Saints. Bears. The lions have been outplayed for 80% of all that football played. That’s scary. They look like a first round exit at this point.
yup
St Brown had the drops today
I remember Sean McVay making this comment about the trade for Stafford- It's going to be nice to have a quarterback that allows you to use the whole playbook. Goff is the problem. That's why they traded Goff for Stafford and threw in two first and a third round pick.
When the lights get bright Goff's light goes out
The offense goes cold "SOMETIMES"?
The offense has gone cold every game since the bye
...yet ALL the blame keeps landing at A.G.'s feet
Ive been thinking of this for weeks now but EVERYONE keeps saying our D is horrible. Our D kept us in it till we had them 4th n 13 then we fumble I'll say it again our O is overrated as well as Ben Johnson RUN THE DAMN BALL
Glenn is a problem. Goff is super average in a ton of aspects. We also need to add D lineman. We missed at the trade deadline. I don't know if we have a better option, but Goff is playing for his future in Detroit these next 4 games.
No he needs to go
Honestly the thing I noticed a lot one of the worst plays we continue to do is Goff on a roll out trying to throw while on the run , it’s incomplete or a possible interception … Goffs mobility will continue to limit us … top 5 QBs all are mobile ( Mahomes , Allen , Herbert , Burrow , Lamar , Hurts , Dak , etc ) all way more athletic and tiers above us
💯we need a QB that can run the ball. Bears QB provide it. If you only stay in the pocket you better have a front line to give you more time and Goff is not getting protection.
Goff is playing like he's hiding an injury or something. No tight spirals, no deep ball passes
It’s been 3 hours since the game and I still have no idea what that was that I watched.
They bracket Amon Ra in the cold weather it’s automatic L
Goff is a damn good quarterback, everyone goes through slumps , what matters is how they do in the playoffs.
Biggest problem is Aaron Glen. When your team cant stop anybody the offense feels a lot of pressure.
I think Goff feels like he has to be perfect when a 4-8 team starts with a TD
No. Goff is not good. He has luxury pieces and a top 3 line when healthy. Dude needs everything around him going right or he folds. Ben Johnson has been garbage and we all know AG has no talent on defense. Everyone on this staff gets blame because that grit biting kneecap shit is a joke. Grit only gets you so far when your team lacks talent in major areas. We need to come to grips that we have progressed since 2021 but we are still far away from where we need to be to compete against elite teams.
@@webechubbin I was thinking this club has been so bad that fans have largely stayed away. Maybe the early focus on offense was to regain some lost interest. Maybe it will take a few years, but for too much of my lifetime the Lions haven’t even been a .500 to .600 team.
Players gotta play at some point. We need players and a new DC.
We not NOT know AG has no talent on defense. Jeff Okudah is playing the best football of his life in Atlanta. @@webechubbin
Doesn't matter who quarterbacks the offensive line is terrible pass blocking.
This is what I've been saying was isn't Jamo getting the ball
Upcoming schedule
Denver probably going to be 7-6
At Minnesota. Going back to 1992, Detroit has won just 6 times in Minnesota
At Dallas. A legit 9-3
Minnesota at home
At home vs Minnesota is literally their best chance at a win coming up. This isn’t going to end well.
Im not sure about us even winning the division anymore the way we played was Sol like smh
I say we play H. Hooker part of the game and get him some play time. Goff and him could tag team. Might give the offense a good spark.
You are absolutely right. I don't think Goff's arm is strong enough to get Jamo the ball. He throws wobbly passes when he has to go deep. No athletism at all if he was mobile it would cut back on some of those four and outs.
Ben has a problem trying to force a mismatch with 3 tight ends. Need to stop over thinking plays and use what works
i’m a packers fan and for those saying get rid of goff who’s a better option i’ll wait
Teddy😂
No, just NO
We know he's the option but those without rose colored glasses know he's not the answer either.
The Lions offense has a problem with a big play threat. All passes seem to be directed towards the areas with defensive coverage.
Goff got to go Brad Holmes needs get a damn QB!!!
I think the problem is that we expect a perfect season from the lions bc of all the hype around them from the end of last season. When really, we are still rebuilding. 3 bad games out of 13??? Like that is amazing for a team still rebuilding. 😅
We shouldn’t be “rebuilding” with all the talent we have
That’s a good point. I predicted 12 wins. While I’m happy with the progress they’ve made, today’s loss was embarrassing. Chicago is not Baltimore. The Baltimore game, I understood. This one, I don’t.
The fact that Jamo is being incredibly underused is extremely troubling. He’s a loaded weapon, but they won’t cock the damned gun…never mind Fire. It’s not just puzzling…it’s frustrating as hell.
I didn’t wanna say nothing but does anyone notice that since the offense changed from pounding with Montgomery to trying for explosive plays with Gibbs more often the offense has been rly shaky??
seems like the other teams have adjusted to our offense and we have made to changes to it.
You guys are hilarious. Johnson goes from a genius to a bum in the course of one week. The O-line was out of sync with Ragnow out and we saw more drops today than we have all season. I was expecting the Bears to play a good game. Give them a little ctedit.
Bring in Hendon Hooker. They could end up
9-8.
It’s very possible.
Denver is hot
Minnesota in Minnesota has been a house of horrors
Dallas is a top 4 team in the league
Minnesota at home might be for all the marbles.
Bring in a rookie who hasn't even taken consistent snaps in practice and is nowhere near ready....yeah great idea
We need to draft a center first and play him at guard if we need to for a bit
we could have had the Center from Michigan, ...but we don't need him (available round three)
@dougmichaelroossien9115
You’re fighting a losing battle. Fans constantly over value linemen. They honestly believe a center in the first is a great pick,
@thomaswatkins3686 there is a reason it's a great pic. So many teams are taking skill players (such as a tone on QBs) in the first this year. So instead of the first 2 to 4 excellent lineman getting picked in the first 10 to 15, they will fall to us the later first round.
I can’t disagree with you guy about anything that you mentioned today but the officiating today was absolutely horrible. However, I wonder what happened to the long passing game gone? I wonder if Goff is playing hurt? He has not played well since the bi-week. This shows me that we don’t sign Goff to any type of extension contract. I wonder why they haven’t told him to sit and play Bridgewater to get a spark.
Just stop typing. The Lions defense has been awful all season.
You don’t get to blame the refs when it fails. 31 fanbases could do that. You sound foolish.
Goff's inability to hit the deep ball really concerns me. Johnson, seems to know Goff's limitation and we sometimes get weird play calls in long yardage situations. It rarely turns out well. The weapons this offense has should be steamrolling defenses. I don't want to see a career ending new contract with Goff. With likely a new coordinator next year, it's time to give Hooker the Green light in 2024. From what I seen in college he has deep ball capability and he is hopefully still as mobile. What we are seeing is not a playoff caliber team. Also, Cambell has to stop hurting the defense with 4 down calls deep in our own territory. Plenty of time on the clock, it was ridiculous.
He is 4th in the league in deep passes thrown. Go look it up
@@anthonylong5870they don't like facts, they'd rather say he can't do it.
Hopefully the lions would get it together before the playoffs
Lol, Lions want to go home early.
Have no desire to finish.
You can just feel it, they have lost confidence in themselves ( top to bottom)
Secondary is totally bad, bewildered by Justin Fields magic in 2 games.
Ranked 21st in the NFL yards allowed, ranked 30th in 2022.
This team is not ready for prime time.
9-8 miss the playoffs, no worry only year 3 of 5. Next year last place in North, GB and Chic improve.. Lion fans excited for high draft choice. Campbell and Holmes get 5 year extension to restart new 5 year plan. I've been watching this crap since they traded Bobby Layne when I was 12. SOL
You sound like you actually know the team history. Bravo.
Brad Holmes our biggest problem his drafting trading and Free agents
I don’t see a win the rest of the way out but at least it’ll be another winning season 9-8 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
They do the same thing because that’s what Goff is good at
Some problems???? Are you kidding... some problems??
This is exactly what the lions are. They have been this way since the 1960s. Same old lions.
No, they haven't. The thing is, we are ahead of schedule on the contention thing. We all knew coming into the year our defense was weak. We patched some holes with some free agents that ended up getting hurt. That is why they fail... And Campbell going for it on 4th down in our territory too often.
I see open competition between Goff and Hooker.in training camp.
They never throw deep. Bring back Scott Linehan.
The problem before was that we couldn't beat any good teams. Still a problem. What was not a problem is beating bad teams(record wise and talent wise, I know every team has great talent but Lions were supposed to be better than the Bears and Packers). Now, that's a problem. The biggest problem is it's trending in the wrong direction at the worst possible time.
Concerning Goff not able to pass the ball deep, it sure looks that way. Lots of dropped passes... lots of bad passes with AND without pressure. Leaky O line... play calls in the second half by Johnson.... oh boy. And why are we still playing Jacobs? He gets regularly beat and teams are picking on him because the tape doesn't lie, they know it, pick on the weak! Why play him? If we keep playing like this, we'll lay and egg to the Vikings twice in a row! We really messed the bed!! 😳🥺
ride this season out with Goff. No extension. open training camp and either move another QB up, whoever is the BEST on the field. It is not Goff's spot to lose
Goff can’t throw out bridge water in
Get ride of goff.
I've never heard you all go so hard on how bad we were. I agree, Jared Goff was horrible. Why believe balls. The deep shot to Jamo with short by 5 yards. Today the offense lost this game. The defense is still horrible, Aaron Glenn needs to go but today Ben Johnson may have cost himself a head coaching job.
Goff just can't throw that deep under big pressure.
Whats sad is ya have a number 22 Bob Hayes who we have in Jameo and ya can't put a long ball up for him to run underneath the ball told ya once to start using him more the more ya go to him will open it up for others this should of never happened after we taken lead should of been no looking back from that point ya can't put this on defense all though they let acouple get by are offence couldn't keep are defense off the field.
I’m not one to jump ship and I’m not expecting a perfect season good teams will lose but goff has shown us why Sean mcvay and the rams moved on from him AFTER A SUPERBOWL APPEARANCE they seen that he doesn’t have that dog in him and he can’t perform if even the tiniest amount of pressure is around him sorry to say but Goff cannot lead a team
People absolutely losing their 💩 Look at teams like the Chiefs and Bills, they have records considerably worse than ours.
We are 9-4.
Too much recency bias going on regarding Goff imo. Im not even a huge fan of his but hes the guy atm so he gets my support until he isnt🤷♂️
Can't even take people seriously if they suggest benching him for Teddy or worse still Hendon
Not a hater and it is not my money to spend but come on that was not a 40 to 50 mil qb performance let alone a 30 something per annum. More money for rest of team. Go Lions!
Guys, you both know that defense wins championships! But our offense seems to lack focus! Ben Johnson needs to go to basics so Golf can do what is best! I have watched the clown show and regardless of the talent we can’t close the deal! For the Denver game bench the OC and DC and have some other coach!
I'm concerned, he never call screens or take shots down the field to loosen the middle up. He continues to force the middle..
Lions setting up the offensive weapons for Hooker!!!!
We had the Bears at 3rd and long so many times and we hardly ever made the play.
Is it time to start thinking that Hendon Hooker is closer to being QB1 next than Goff?
What do you mean never seen a Ben Johnson perform that badly, look at the Ravens game, the offense is just not clicking lately
We can't re-sign Goff, he's to expensive for what he is. Open up the competition at QB in training camp and prey Hooker wins job. He's accurate, mobile, he can throw the long ball and he's way less expensive which would allow us to sign our own free agents and some others.
Maybe if the offense keeps being bad, Ben Johnson will stay?
Imagine matt Stafford whith these weapons
Goff makes your offense very predictable. Teams don t really need to cover deep .no one is afraid of a scramble stop the run cover the short middle game over
I think yall next quarterback play in your state. His name is JJ Mccarthy
Bad coaching both sides of the ball. Bad qb Bad oline bad wr/te drops. Bad defense today, but they kept us in the game this week
Goff is not future QB in Detroit. He is absolutely trush.
Biggest problem is they are the Lions and always will be.
Goff doesn’t play well in Chicago and in the cold.
when as the last time we threw deep to try and loosen up the defense? That offense was not even as good as Barry run left, Barry run right, Barry run straight, punt.
This is such a cruel end to the season.
The defense has been terrible. We are not running the ball enough.
It was just not a good game all around with the players and the coaches. Goff has been off the last few weeks, dropped balls, going for it on 4th and 10, etc. defense I thought played a tiny bit better today but that’s not saying much with the current group. Earlier this season we thought these last month of games would be wins but the teams see will be playing can beat us with how we are now. Not sure how we can turn it around.
the Lions never have all their weapons on the field at the same time... and I don't know why.
Every first down was a tide end or a running back bubble screen. It was so predictable
Been saying Goff needs to go for a while start hooker now
Hendon Hooker will look like Love for a while. Detroit fans need to be patient and not expect an instant playoff team. Finish better than last year, and keep adding pieces toward a long term goal.
@jamesalan1476
Dude. If the Lions finish 9-8, like last year, after starting 8-2, Dan Campbell should never coach another game in Detroit. It’s honestly that simple.
They could win 1 more. But look at their remaining schedule. A loss to Denver and going to a place they are horrible in and the Dallas says they could be realistically staring at 9-8 going into the last weekend.
That would be the epitome of epic failure, even at 10-7.
@@thomaswatkins3686 it would be a let down but this isn’t the team that started the season. Also, don’t you think they will focus more on defense in the next draft?
DC gets outcoached most games.... nothing new
Why aren't the Lions leaning on their O-line and the running game more?
This was a joke. Record: 9-8
Such a good idea not to make big moves for Young or Sweat before the trade deadline they had a chance to get REAL help but they pooped their pants instead
Young and Hutchinson play the same position, Cork.
The bears got a higher pick for Sweat. It’s not complicated.
Been fan my whole life since born in Pontiac in 1985 all my comment meant to me was the Lions could have put it all out for a DEEP run this year... Chase and Hutch locking down each side of defense would be deadly 💪