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My reaction to the brand new A.I. Depeche Mode song which everyone has been taking about. See the original video by Andrea Fryer here: www.youtube.com/@andrea_fryer
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Here's the problem. Conceivably, Dave Gahan can now quit Depeche Mode...and make a phalanx of new Depeche Mode songs using AI. Why, and how? As you heard, this AI song is not just copying Dave's voice or the sound of Depeche Mode - but rather, it is also copying much of Martin Gore's lyric writing style. You, as a performer, can now release albums that are uncredited AI songs/albums. Who is to expose you without a sonic watermark? Nobody. Once a track is created, if the date and time is not registered...there is no evidence of who did what or when. There is no evidence of AI generation, or using AI to copy another music artist. I learned this from an interview between Rick Beato and Björn Ulvaeus of ABBA (see TH-cam). More on that interview later.
I brought a similar question to my brother and a DJ that I work with. Again, I asked the following: "What if a musician simply decides to create AI generated sound alike hits of their own past catalogue, and release them as new and original tracks...without AI attribution?" Look at the new Taylor Swift album(s), and how Swift is just seemingly and arbitrarily dropping new album after new album - records that appear oddly emotionless and soulless? Where is she getting the time to do that? Is it possible that she is using AI, and just mass producing new songs via AI? And what of Beyonce, and her nonstop album dumps?
It gets worse. Say I want to copy a music producer's style? If I am Def Leppard...and I want to copy the production, arranging, and writing style of Mutt Lange - well, who needs to hire Mutt anymore? How about Shania Twain? She can release new albums that sound like Mutt's past work, without him. If you are Janet Jackson, why rehire Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis for millions of dollars...to produce and write for you...when AI can do the same job...at little cost to you...and no royalty splits...while guaranteeing you a faster workflow?
Worse still, this is the ultimate studio killer. Why do you need studios anymore for large recording projects?
If I am Aerosmith, why hire Diane Warren to pen another hit...when AI can do it faster...while we control and own the publishing? Just set AI to mirror "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing", and you have a new copycat hit. Want a new Michael Jackson album produced by Quincy Jones, and mixed and recorded by Bruce Swedien...complete with songs written by Rod Temperton and Toto...or featuring studio musicians such as Toto, Greg Phillinganes, Louis Johnson? Simply run their works through AI.
Look, I am aware of a synth hybrid machine...that was introduced approximately 20 years ago...that worked similarly to AI. This device was used to target hit songs, by creating sound alike songs. Said invention was employed by record labels. I know this, because I know a producer who had such a device. I have since forgotten the name of the machine, but I do recall that the name began with the letter "M".
AI has now gone lightyears past that technology, as it not only imitates songwriting and arranging styles...but it also imitates and delivers fully recorded, mixed, and mastered songs...complete with finished lyrics and vocals. At least, that is my understanding of the process - thanks to Björn Ulvaeus from ABBA having sat down with Rick Beato...for an interview on AI. He informed Beato that an AI company gave him a real-time demonstration of the technology. He indicated the tech is more powerful than already publicly known, and I think I recall him making mention of a year timeline...and what it could do by the end of that timespan?
Ulvaeus indicated that the AI company entered ABBA's name, and Frank Sinatra, and a few other celebrity names (I believe Elvis is one of those names)...and the AI perfectly and near instantly replicated an ABBA sound alike song...featuring the guest vocal of the other celebrities. I would assume by Björn Ulvaeus' description of the process, that the song was created...complete with mixed and mastered tracks. I think Ulvaeus also indicted that ABBA song sound alikes...were created in multiples during the same AI demonstration session. Ulvaeus was left in shock, as the quality was spectacular.
BTW, I was online 2 weeks ago and discovered an AI version of Simon and Garfunkel performing "Baby's Got Back". There is also a AI cleaned up/denoised...and track separated version of The Beatles' live performance of "I Want to Hold Your Hand" (see TH-cam for both).
Hello Sir, I can not find this song "Like a mystery" on TH-cam, which was done in the Depeche Mode sound and Dave Gahan voice imitation which is from your above "Depeche Mode New A.I. Song REACTION!!" video . Would you be so kind to share the link what you got from on of your subscriber please? Btw here is another great DM AI song th-cam.com/video/NUILZPfapVs/w-d-xo.html
It was wild and highly entertaining to watch you react. I had so many people link your video to me. (thanks to those folks btw!) I've seen your "top 10 most disliked DM songs" video and I was expecting the song to be BLUDGEONED! But I'm glad you enjoyed at least a little bit of it! My favorite parts of the song are the little subtle details. Like the way he (or should we say "it") sings "I'm" at 2:52. How does AI figure to do such things!? Crazy! I also like the very subtle percussions at 4:38 and it was kind of cool that you actually closed your eyes at that spot as well. I also like the last sung portion (although we still haven't figure out what the heck he's singing in all of it, but I think it was because I assigned that portion to be "instrumental" and it just crammed some weird gibberish in there).
This one is better
m.th-cam.com/video/mgWQMkkrNo8/w-d-xo.html
You currently have a chat interface which usually allows you to prompt for the styles and moods i.e. "midtempo gothic melancholic sultry synthphop, raspy male vocalist, keyboard synthesizer, trumpet exciter" and additionally either let an AI write the lyrics for you or enter your own lyrics and add things like [Keyboard Intro], Interludes Choruses, Bridge, etc. to guide the AI. The control is far from perfect and often you really have to rely on ear, your own taste and simple repetition to find or build a final song out of it. I hope that helped. Personally i STEM the AI tracks, clean em up as best as i can and mix and master them for the final track. :)
You can steal their voices and sounds but you cannot replicate their songwriting talent.
for now but ai will also replicate and replace any song and genre style you want written in the next 2 to. 5 years its coming songwritters will be replace by record labels soon as well chatgpt 4.o has a incredible songlyric capability if you have the correct promt now imagine feeding it all the lyrics that has been written since the creation of music its unstoppable.
it was a lazy try, udio can get better songs, guess the operator didnt show his best and kept the captured vocals for something else
You can input your own lyrics sooo... yeah. RIP
That's just around the corner.. Ai can also evolve the lyrics beyond its original creator - in the same manor the original creator would have.
Anyone can write better songs than any released on Spirit
Is there an A.I. Alan Wilder that could really take this to the next level?
Hahaha! Imagine that!! VG :-)
Not yet, the tech is not advanced enough to model Alan yet, but we're getting there. I will try to remake all the post Alan DM albums in a way as if Alan produced them. ETA for this is probably 2-5 years from now, I think.
😂😂😂
Oh lord! ❤
That would actually be awesome!
Martin would never write garbage lyrics like this!
Exactly!
True, but it wasnt bad at all, better than what Martin wrote for the entire Spirit Album...
If only...
Dave Gahan would.
No eay! Come on man Dave Gahan wrote a lot of good songs. Have you ever heard of suffer well ? kingdom? Broken?
I asked ‘Google Gemini’ to write a song in the style of Morrissey, and it refused, citing Morrisseys ‘Racism’!!! So, even AI is cancelling people too.
Are you serious? OMG, the machines are going WOKE?? Not good!! VG :-)
@@VaughnGeorge maybe the next terminator movie could be about a Woke Cyborg…. Going around cancelling all in its way!…. The worlds gone made mate😀
@@VaughnGeorge They are not going woke, they are learned by woke.
Good for Morrissey...nobody needs a woke AI Version.
Your story smells 💩
Well, it's like hearing the M1 piano sample for the first time in 1990 and thinking "this sounds so real!"
That's a very accurate description! Yes! VG
So well said!
I was there that day! 🤣
Prior to that, it was selecting Digital Native Dance on the D50 .
The sound is there, but it's like the garden section of a big box store. All the ingredients of a garden are there, but it's not a japanese zen garden until Martin Gore puts it all together. There's no soul.
Spot on!
exactly. the lyrics on this AI track completely missed the mark. too generic and cold to be Martin's
ai music is in it's infancy we will soon not be able to tell the difference, interesting times, there is another song andrea fryer generated with AI that's also quite good : th-cam.com/video/r5Au3DbYv4g/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=AndreaFryer
OK let's do this. If it was on their last album, you would not even have noticed😂😂😂 They would have played it in their stadiums, and the millions would be sucking it up throwing praise how it's their best material in years
Facts
If Depeche Mode did a cover of this and enhanced it with some new ideas, it could be a good template for a new song.
They would have to change it significantly to be a really good song. Just IMO of course...
Why would they need to. They may as well take one of their friends's songs.
Yes I'm a songwriter and actually thinking of doing that. I hate all the studio stuff and it takes forever. This would cut out a lot of the hard work and would be easy to edit after.
Don't know what programme they used but I think you can do it on the new version of Logic 🤷
This _could be_ the way…
The sound, the voice, and the feel are very DM... but I felt two big things were missing: 1) the brilliance of Martin's lyrics that are both very clever and deeply meaningful, and 2) an obvious chorus that really hooks.
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The last time Martin truly cared about lyrics was on Sounds of the Universe
Seems to me like Dave's lyrics
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You are so so right! ❤
The scary thing is the synth hook was still playing in my head when I went off to do something after watching this.
Just another ordinary soup, no sharpness, no contrast, no soul, and most important, no Gorism!
Exactly. AI is polishing the mediocre stuff. No invention. But the ability to make the average better (more pleasant to the masses) makes it dangerous enough.
A.I. and Alan Wilder walk into a bar ...
Soon we will be able to synthesize the "missing" DM albums from 1988 and 1989, when they were at their artistic and creative peak. Can't wait to hear them.
missing albums?
Sounds like fun!
I sounds like the algorithm was fed Policy Of Truth combined with Spirit.
Sounds more like a mix of PTA and Spirit. I can hear a bit of Newborn in he second half.
Thank you very much for doing this. I was one of them who asked you to do so on Facebook. I really enjoyed your reaction which was very close to my initial reaction. 👍
Hello Sir!! You are very welcome! YEs it was initially quite confusing. I will need to listen to it again. t really caught me off guard! VG :-)
Soon someone will put Speak & Spell, A Broken Frame, Construction Time Again… in a program and the machine will spit new albums : The Spell of Speak, the Frame is Broken, Time for Construction etc…. New songs in the same mood and with the same sounds. It will come…
Y brindo por eso.
Masses for the Music.
What a fun, yet creepy experiment.
....."well it sounds better than anything on the Spirit album"....hahaha relentless Vaughn!
Glad you liked that!! VG :-) :-)
Sounds like De/Vision got Dave to sing on one of their songs.
So scary to hear an AI song that sounds so much like DM and Dave’s voice is perfectly imitated! That’s very creepy 😅
Where's the bridge?!!
AI must not know Depeche Mode bridges are legendary.
No war, no war, no war
No more, no more, no more, no more.......
These AI songs have to be extended before you create them. Some only create songs about two minutes then they cut off.
"Well, it sounds better than anything on the Spirit album.' 😀 Brutal! 😉
Its true, its far better than anything on Spirit Album... the AI song is actually good...
Truth and better than anything on exciter or delta machine
True though!
@@cenkerpanir20 yeah, yeah, and Violator, SOFAD and Ultra - all's fine?
@@przemekkulesza3242 well I liked violator sofad (live) and ultra … I just thought spirit delta machine and exciter were lack lustre even playing the Angel and sounds of the universe were good
Wow, I'm actually pretty impressed with it! We need AI Depeche Mode from the Violator era. Great video Vaughn!
The look on Vaughan's face over the course of this song says it all. This "New Life" almost frightfully come to life like that. There was a sort of shock, bemusement , bewilderment at the accuracy of the track in places. Had this emerged as a "real song" that say, was an out-take from some recent album, Id absolutely have bought it as a legit DM song. It is scary astohow real it sounds. For the record, as an actual "song", I like it. Were I told twas a real song, without AI involvement, Id have not overthought it, and said "This is a really good song" to myself.
Holy crap. If I wasn't told it was AI generated, I'm not sure that I would have ever figured it out.
The lyrics suck! One long verse leading into one partial chorus? Too easy to call it out as AI. The human race and mind is quickly deteriorating!
Exactly! Well said - but the 'fans' think otherwise😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Are you joking? The lyrics make very little sense to me and that's a tell tale sign it AI. Spend more time on TH-cam and you will easily encounter an AI made video. See if you can distinguish it from human work. I can.
What? You wouldn't have noticed those lyrics are ridiculously sophomoric and the overall song just much too bland to be released by a professional artist? I'd believe it was a joke demo by them maybe.
Ok then this th-cam.com/video/G1a14mLmXL8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=FH-l_f-0zpEMEdBL
The beginning of the song - the rhythm section is similar to the Freelove Flood edition. The musical part is reminiscent of the melody from the song Newborn
This song is good ......realy good
I was going to insult you but then realize you may be young and all you hear is The Weekend and Drake. Then its a fantastic masterpiece in comparison..otherwise..its really really really really bad.
@@stoneneils That is your coping mechanism. I was there with you. Now I moved on to acceptance. Also remember your favorite artist was hated by the generation before. You can read reviews about how the Beatles didn't qualify as music.
@@laartwork Exactly my point. You confirmed what I said: its not about the music, its about the entire package. AI can't compete with humans because it isn't going to be loved by anyone, its not cute, its not sexy, its not going to appear in the media under various crazy headlines, it won't do interviews, it doesn't have a backstory. I can go all day. The only people who might have to move to acceptance are those who score for films, commericals, etc.
Evil Mirror Universe Depeche Mode
There are AIs trained in music, art, photos, videos, voices, etc., to create music, you use the AI trained for music, you ask it for a dark newwave rhythm, and it will give you several samples, you choose the one you like ( The AI invents because before it listened to thousands and thousands of songs and knows all the genres and how they are composed) then, if you want, you give it a lyric, if you don't have lyrics, you ask chatgpt to invent a lyric about a specific topic, then You put those lyrics to the music AI, and it will give it the chords and there you have a dark newwave song, then, for Dave's voice, you use "deepvoice", which is a voice cloner, where "you change the voice" that the music AI gave you, through Dave's voice, and that's it... you have a song in a matter of minutes...
DM at first look like easy prey for AI, but the depth, layer upon layer of human experience that DM have lived and evolved through, make them uninterpretable and untouchable. ❤💀🖤💀❤
I agree with you Vaughn, it is scary and shocking. I like this track in general, but I don’t hear there something like human breath. As Alan Wilder said: “I like electronics, but I like a human being as well” (I am paraphrasing).
In the other hand I like AI “virtual collaboration” of Dave Gahan and Alan Wilder “I am Undone” (originally by Nitzer Ebb) and “Polaroid”. I would like to say I don’t like it, because it’s artifical, but I do. Some DM fans may insult me for that, but I think these two tracks could be a kind of inspiration for DM, because it sounds more Depeche and much better than… ehm, OK, that’s all I have to say 😅
This sounds to me like a Soulsavers track. I actually like it 😁 I went looking for this song and only found a 1-minute version on TikTok looks like there was a copy on TH-cam, but the channel was terminated.
It's good & I like it. Simply.
still better than many songs since ultra
Absolutely.
The lyrics are lame. You can tell there was no human heart in it. AI doesn't know what is good or bad and has no motivation to write about anything - like Stock, Aitken and Waterman back in the day... 😉
Can't wait, Vaughn! Your opinion usually merges mine:))) Thank you for your work! Much appreciated 👍🌹😎🎀🖤
You are very welcome and thank you for your support!! VG :-)
Listening to new songs from Dave forever. Without knowing who did it, where and when. Many hidden masterpieces. They may be forward-looking. This is very exciting
That Dave artwork was so evil looking. Ick.
It’s gross and repulsive. Agree.
I don't think DM have much to fear considering where they are in the arc of their career. This isn't like Negativeland putting out an album called "U2" at the height of Joshua Tree hysteria.
The depressing reality that awaits us isn't the "fake" versions of our favorite acts, it the replacement of human musicians. The "average" Top 40 music consumer won't care that an algorithm creates the tunes played over the stereo system while they shop.
I think real musicians will always make music and the industry is in such a state that I don't it will necessarily make it harder to earn a living. It's already next to impossible. I place the lion's share of my concern in what the future of visual entertainment might become under the auspices of AI. If a media company can make a successful film without actors and writers, why wouldn't they? If a performance can be "rendered" from well of algorithmic likenesses, and a script produced from a sophisticated chatbot in under a half-hour, why wouldn't a studio executive greenlight that project? Do we really think that AI couldn't churn out something at least as competent as a Fast and the Furious movie?
I agree Vaughn I find that very scary and am concerned about the future based on how AI is developing so rapidly. I thought it was very Depeche Mode like.
Yeah but so are a million depeche mode cover bands with their own tracks. Nobody cares. Its not depeche mode. You guys are totally missing out on the celebrity part. If Depeche Mode wasn't famous 80s band but came out last month we wouldn't like their music nearly as much. Its about the era, the moment, the culture, the band's image, the people in it..its not Taylor Swift can do a Madonna song and make it equally as popular or vice-versa. Pop music is a lot more than about the song...and that is why its going downhill. Its much more profitable to nurture one Bieber than sit around and relase 100 tracks on spotify with no artist to back it up in interviews, videos, concerts etc.
Hi Vaughn, Really enjoy your videos. I wanted to ask if you've heard the Maxiblues remixes of DM's songs?. I'm interested to hear your opinion.
I've read the original description of the video and saw kind of like a back of the scenes procces of her (the girl that made the "song") but now her account got deleated, and with it all the explanation procces. For what I saw, I can say it was 20% AI just generating samples and 80% this woman typing different key words to nail the DM style, adjusting the vocals, etc. I really dont know her, but she could explain more in depth the development procces
just try for yourself it's free, it's called udio, you can also look other DM style songs andrea fryer generated on a new channel she re-created
Hey romeo and thanks for explaining this. Actually the prompting was 0.00% because all I did was write in "Depeche Mode" as a prompt, then Udio replaced the band name with keywords that describe the genre of music. About 1% of the time went to getting the initial 33s clip. After that, the rest of the time went to generating the additional chunks of the song. In total, there were 6 chunks. So for each of those I had to generate dozens of variations until I found ones that I liked.
I like it, Very dark and synthy, it's probably Alan secretly making a comeback.
I liked it (and "Digital Tears Never Dry" has moments too). It obviously means DM (or any composer) have to raise their A-game a bit to not repeat themselves and grow in directions both true to their past but different from what an AI can anticipate. I liked the synthetic harmonica orchestration in this song. If no other DM song uses harmonicas that way, it might have been selected randomly from a list of "musical effects" not noticed, in the DM corpus, to create an "innovation" (I'm just WAGging here; surely DM has used harmonicas before?).
It's important to note that what the AI did isn't really composing; it's generalizing from a known corpus of work by some method (and the voice modeling, whatever it is, is pretty amazing). When Mozart composed, he had to do the same kind of thing as the AI, but Mozart only had DIFFERENT composers to generalize from (e.g., Bach, Handel, Vivaldi, Correlli), and he was also TRYING TO BE DIFFERENT from them (while recognizing his debt to them). The AI doesn't work this way. BTW, David Cope has some albums, where he tries to create (algorithmically?) "new" compositions from "great" composers, e.g. Mozart. Some of it sounds like plagiarism; some of it sounds ok. What I heard with this DM-esque song compared very well with that. Finally, DM needs to chime in as to what they think (and let us know if they get a residual from this, as it is definitely a derivative work).
Reminds me when in the film "Alien", the new creature was born.
now A.I. should do some songs in the style of the Violator / SOFD era and plan a tour with avatars and call it "a can of worms has been opened here"
A bit of another perspective here…..this is still kind of real because it comes out of something real. It’s born of DMs body of work if you will. It’s generating a pretty good song out of it. It’s interesting but without DM this couldn’t exist so it’s still them in a way.
Exactly! In a sense it is real DM, it is made based on DM and the source algorithm is based solely on DM, so it is DM for me.....
My first question is who owns the song? Would Depeche Mode be able to use this as a basis to improve the song and not be sued? Would DM consider making it better? I think there are some elements missing, there's not enough echo, vocals are missing an edge. This could be a hit and if DM took it on as a base would it just be considered a tool just like a synth was back in the day or the discovery of the click by Georgio?
I sang a song using george michaels voice, quite frankly I kind teared up a bit....I have always loved to sing on my songs and covers but while I sing on key I just wasnt blessed with a pleasing sounding voice....so when I used George michaels voice and heard how it turned my voice into that golden sounding tenor...how coiuld I not get a bit misty eyed. AI's possibilities are endless
I like this. The one thing that would make me suspicious if I didn't know it was AI are the dodgy lyrics... can't imagine MLG writing them
It's a bit ironic that an A.I. DM song is much less repetitive than "the train is coming, the train is coming" and "no more, no more, no war, no war..." :)
sorry for an off grid question, maybe you talked about it, but when and why you moved from london to estonia? Just curious. Thanx.
Some great comments VG. I listened to a Nitzer Ebb track recently with Daves vocals in AI. I think it was I Am Undone.
I have to say it sounded excellent - would be interesting to AI Daves vocals on some other Nitzer Ebb tracks or even MG sung songs. What do you think?
Photos! Lovely !
Listen to the AI Dave Gahan and Alan Wilder I Am Undone...I love that one😀
I wonder what Depeche Mode thinks about this scary stuff, despite my love for them.🤔
I can relate 100% to your feelings and thoughts about this track.
AI is polishing the mediocre stuff. No invention. But the ability to make the average better (more pleasant to the masses) makes it dangerous enough.
Genuinely surprised. Agree it has that Spirit album sound, and melodically the vocals sound like something Martin would write, but lyrically clearly not if the lyrics changed to something Martin was more accustomed to writing, I would be fooled into thinking that this was an actual Depeche Mode track.
Curious, 2 days I prompt a Post Punk / Gotic song on Sunp and the resutlt come with a Dave Gaham vocal and DM style, all without mentioned DM in the prompt. The Suno Ai name it Mirror Image. It's almost curious how this Ai use the "Echoe" word in lyrics, it's like to regonize it as "made with Suno/Udio AI"
“TERRIFYING!” 100% Correct! I kinda liked it.
it would be interesting if they sang it live somewhere on TV 😃
Is there a link somewhere to the original track? It was gone from YT within days...
I have uploaded it to my new channel. It's called "Like a mystery" - read the video description for details.
Astounding but yes, as you said, frightening at the same time
Dave's main function is to bring the front man energy and the amazing voice. The AI version checks the second box, but could never check the first one... front man stuff can only be done by a human. Martin's function is the creative songwriting (music and lyrics), and AI isn't able to do either of those... because (IMO) those require humanity as well.
Hi Vaughn - I liked it!
Same here 😎😁🎶
Very interesting. To be honest I see this in two ways. As an artist this kind of thing lowers the barriers to entry and diminishes the value in the creators sound and work, but then again, hasn't every step forward with music or any other art form done the same thing?
Plus doesn't this open up opportunities for artists too? And this tech within a year or so will be indistinguishable.
i can hear labels now thinking about the concept of artists licencing their sound to them so they can just create albums automatically, and pay the original artists a kicker? With labels controlling catalogues, they can AI clone from the stems and voila... A new Elvis or Beatles album.
If the financial mechanisms can be worked out regarding rights etc, it's an interesting new world out there in my opinion. As you say, terrifying. But then, kinda exciting too.
Well explained!! VG🙂
The instrumentation and production was spot on.
Listening to this AI-generated Depeche Mode song is like glimpsing into a parallel universe where the band effortlessly churns out albums at lightning speed! It's fascinating how AI can pick up on the formula and offer a starting point for creativity. Yet, as much as it's a tool for acceleration, it also highlights the irreplaceable role of human musicians and editors. After all, crafting a masterpiece requires technical prowess and style, taste, and judgment cultivated over time. This track may lack the complexity of later Depeche Mode albums, like the intricate layers in 'Memento Mori', but it reminds us of AI's potential to assist and challenge our creative process. Disclaimer: This comment is ChatGPT generated.
I remember back around the release of Exciter I was presented to a song called Ponytail Girl - I honestly thought it was Martin singing a new unreleased song from the album or some secret B-side track.
Fun fact: I know the guy who made that song (Color Theory) and he told me that he once got into an argument with someone who claimed they knew “for a fact” that that was Martin Gore singing. Just wouldn’t take “I know it’s not Martin because it’s ME singing” for an answer.
@@interface2x Hah, that's funny :-D I can definitely see that happening.
Wow literally , feel it.
Awesome
There is already versions of Enjoy the Silence sung by Sinatra, Louis Armstrong on TH-cam ….. :
This is the end, beautiful friend
This is the end, my only friend
The end of our elaborate plans
The end of everything that stands…
This is gen 1, believe me. The lyrics, beat and all will be 10 times better in just a year or two
Freaky , if I'd heard that on the airwaves and not known it was AI, I'd have honestly thought that was a new release.
Great video, as always, VG. There's nothing intrinsically "wrong" with the traditional way to make electro music. One still had to WRITE the songs, for example, where would DM be without Martin Gore's song-writing? A.I. is a completely different level of "cheating", if that's the right word.
😂I agree with you, this song is so much better than Spirit's songs
Nooooo
that's such an idiotic thing to say
No.
I reckon it’s really cool. Imagine the fun you could have with depeche mode performing with a whole heap of different artists and styles . Imagine miles Davis on keyboard or van Halen influencing the percussion . Even better imagine competent musicians playing around and redefining forgotten tracks for a new era .
Remember when digital photography appeared. Professional photographers were against. But now, is normal part of our lives...
" ... the way Dave sings it...." - a classic Freudian slip. In your mind you are thinking it's the real DG. This is part the 'point' of AI (is it??? ............). Personally it sounds amazing as a template track you could easily take apart in terms of the musical elements/motifs > add more meaningful, cohesive lyrics > master the mix (produce) and well 🤷♂.......
Well said and I agree with what you are saying here !! VG 🙂
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I've been using Udio for several weeks, not instructed it to imitate any particular vocalists, and you end up with all sorts, imitations of Bowie, Gabriel, Bjork, Owl City... fun, but crazy
Yep! I've gotten Peter Murphy, Bernard Sumner, Siouxsie Sioux etc. I can't understand how they are able to release software like this!
Scary how they mimicked Dave’s voice, and certain elements were very DM. Lyrics and other elements missing. But considering how early AI is in its infancy it’s truly terrifying and disastrous on so many levels
There are two ways to make AI music the first way is you can perform your song by recording it and the other way is to enter a prompt in the music software like Suno and udio
This was very interesting! Where may we see the original video?
My original channel was removed by TH-cam. I have a new channel now where I have reuploaded this song (and others). Look for "Like a Mystery". (I did switch the graphics this time to play it safe)
I think, rather than a.i. making musicians more lazy, it might make us work harder. Rather than developing a style and then producing tracks to that style/formula, we may have to be continuously innovating. At present, a.i. seems to need lots of similar examples to learn a style from, so our job is to stay ahead!
Me likes it. Impressive, seems to have many different DM sounds. It has got that "hook" missing from current DM albums. Damn, now that song is stuck in my head.
sounds better than anything since Ultra!
Absolutely!
In Scotland it might be called Depish Mode
Since you asked for a bit of education on AI … here is my best summary. (I was educated as computer scientist in the early 90s, including AI, plus other related bits like some neuroscience, etc. And I have been thinking about these things. Below is a summary of my thoughts, so far.)
At this point, AI is more like Amalgamation and Imitation rather than Artificial Intelligence. That is, collecting information (during its training), putting it in a pool and/or melding it together, and then later drawing on this information pool or meld to generate imitations. It is really good at that, and it is similar to what big chunks of our brains do too. But things like being in the real world and evolving with it are missing. Also, no sustained thought process beyond what is already there. No pondering or brooding. And no emotionally driven thinking. And so on. All the new information must come from the prompt that the AI is being fed. So that is where the artistic process comes in, the rest is just an incredible tool that can imitate everything in DM’s music so far really really well. And combine it with everything in music or other areas in general … but again, as instructed by a prompt, and also adding its own “hallucinations”. (AI hallucinates, because it “invents” things that were not present in the training data.)
And part of the process is to run the AI several or even many times, and to select from its output. So, this is also driven by a human, and their artistic process.
This is where we are right now. - Now, AI companies are working on adding all the missing ingredients of general intelligence in. Including letting the AI make its own experiences in the world. And “thinking” about them, reacting, etc. There comes a point where we would be hard pressed to find anything that is missing from an AI, and that humans have.
Of course, I do not expect that people could have children with an AI, so that part would be missing from its experience. And we have no idea what consciousness is in the physical world, and how it arises … so maybe it doesn’t have it, but maybe it does?? In general, this is really hard to analyze with science, because we don’t know how to go about it.
Also, the training data fed into an AI only includes the output of humans. We have no insight into the inner states of humans, and therefore cannot feed that into an AI. And therefore AI can only imitate things based on the previous output of humans, rather than imitate their inner processes and what comes out of that. In other words, we may be able to build AIs at some point that imitate brains … but we will still not be able to copy the *state* that Alan Wilder’s brain is in, at any given time, for example. Also, even an autonomously learning AI will not make Alan Wilder’s experiences … but its own experiences.
So, given all this, I believe AIs will still end up being tools … for artists and others. We are interested in things created by a living, breathing person who makes relatable experiences in the real world. And AI will still be a tool used to express those human experiences.
One of the problem areas will be autonomous AIs. Mr. Datas (from Star Trek TNG), if you want. Because they will fall into a somewhat uncanny valley where we don’t know how exactly we should relate to them. And any real relationship with them will be difficult to explore … like meeting an alien. We don’t know if they will exhibit any human qualities that we would expect and want to rely on, in a similar way. Think about HAL in “2001”.
Then again, we have similar difficulties with some humans. Autists and people with ADHD, for example. The neurological differences tend to make them defy expectations, and that makes it somewhat difficult to relate to them. (Btw, I believe I am one of them, awaiting diagnoses … so, in my own way, I am also speaking from personal experience. Some things expected from me are really really hard for me.)
I hope this helps a bit. :) All the best and thank you for this video! :)
You´re absolutelly right... It really SOUNDS LIKE Depeche Mode but it´s without SOUL, it´s just an algorithm... Good tool and servant, bad master ;-)
Well said!! VG:-)
The lyrics are reminiscent of the AI comments that have started appearing on the Tube, with them panty clad thumbnails.
I was astounded by the brand new single from Randy Travis, who wrote with some help a song and he oversaw the sampling of his own songs to reproduce this new song that he wrote. I would say that is probably a better example of AI working from an artist perspective, then this song that sounds like an unreleased B-side from spirit
would buy the song immediately
Thank you for sharing. As you spoke I was sharing a very similar thought process of thinking…if this leaked and we thought it was real.. we may feel differently about it. I think that a majority of devotees will have that thought process especially with the depth of DM. It isn’t just a sound it is an emotion, and those emotions are pulled from the minds of some of the most brilliant musicians who we admire as humans. I hope that made sense.
I know for me part of the reason why I feel so deeply for the band is because of how much thought, passion and originality is put into the songs… so to remove the artistry from the music in such a way leaves me with a void.
It’s odd. I appreciate the sound that I’m hearing, but it’s like a shell .. or a fragment of what should be.
Like most folks here, I'm an ages long fan.... we live in a bizarre time... frankly, the lyrics were as good as anything Martin has written in the last 20 years. The production sounds current DM. If I didn't know it was AI, I would have thought it was them (save for the sub 4 minute track). As much as I love DM, they've been sounding tired for some time; maybe this is why this track is more believable. We live in a bizarre time for sure.
INCREDIBLE.. greeat
Very dark/groovy! I like!!
Well. This is for sure a great A.I. Demo for a possible real Depeche Mode song. So i wonder what would happen if Martin would rewrite the lyrics and record this with Dave. But i doubt they would as they would probably both not feel 100% ok with that as it would really be entirely their own thing.
Fascinating and rather scary. I was impressed. If somebody did some better mastering/mixing, it would be even more impressive.
The voice(s) likeliness is scary!
Though you hate reaction videos, I really like the way you did it. It is true to you, your experience in DM, the way you speak freely - and for me, that is one of the things I like about our channel.
Great post - again.
Idea: YOU do the prompting, live, and see what you can get out of a lyrics and music AI. I am not sure if it is possible, but could be interesting.
Another idea: How would you master it, to make it better? (You probably cannot get the stems, but - could be interesting!)
Hello my friend ! Thank you for your kind words and brilliant suggestions !! I appreciate that!! VG :-)
Sounds like the De/vision or the Camouflage 😂😂😂
I hear Newborn vibes
Apart from the lyrics this was better than 95 % of what DM did in the past 15 years.
Idk man, I thought the new album was pretty good