What does Avant-Garde Fashion Really Mean?
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- How can we use the term Avant-Garde to promote good conversation in fashion? Does it just mean "weird clothes"? As always, please engage in some solid discussion in the comments. What did you learn from this video? Do you disagree with my approach? Am I oversimplifying art by categorizing things too much?
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The designer who made the glass slippers is SRULI RECHT 💫💫
Brother could have at least given me a warning for the guy getting his skin taken off
Yeah, that was pretty rough. I gave 2 trigger warnings: one at the beginning of the video and another one 30 seconds before the clip 💫💫
@@BlissFoster Brother you do know Avant Garde's meaning is an art and philosophical term about being at the forefront of a movement. There's no made up definition for Avant Garde specifically in fashion. It's the advanced guard literally, they guard a new and complexly challenging movement. I don't want to say your video is declassified but I can say you should have left the words Avant Garde out of it before you knew what it was.
he do be giving knowledge
he do knowledgeable tings
Do be ? Nigga cut that out n speak right tf
Try that again with grammar
Except he butchured the whole meaning of Avant Garde
@@daseapickleofjustice7231He did say he’s open to being corrected. Bestow some knowledge on us.
I think the Avant Garde that is propelled by the likes of Yohji, Rei, Ann and Rick are leaning more into Anti fashion as well. So anti fashion combined with avant garde create a style language that is blind by age, class, gender , trends and every element that the “regular” fashion stands for. I love Avant Garde and Anti Fashion! thats why i personally dm-ed you behind the reason of your interest in Avant Garde because I also wanted to know discern why I love it myself ✨🖤
I was hoping we would get some words from our resident AG expert!! Everyone should check out Karl’s channel, excellent content 🦾
@@BlissFoster omg Bliss thank you ☺️😭
I agree 100%. The cross grain perspective, anarchy against the societal norms, the expression of the “under dog” “ the miss understood “ child of fashion standing up and expressing in the weird way that makes us question; what is a garment’s purpose (and more).
Avant- garde is about eternity something you would look at from the future and still see that it’s forward thinking and can be worn at any time into the future regardless of societal acceptance. It’s novel in the way it is presented it is about the designer thought process that lead them to this creation of intellect. Avant-garde DOES NOT CARE ABOUT TRENDS and what sells but rather the designer’s way of showing the world what is in their minds, the imagination. That’s why it’s futuristic and timeless, by imagination is not bound by time.
Great thoughts, Sahim! Thank you for sharing 🦾
I believe avant-garde fights for the quality of life, and thru the creative process by which we use it to influence others.
I believe Avant-Garde should be defined precisely, based on those who have started it, led it and for what purposes?
We cannot leave it open to interpretation because the way nutty people are acting now? They could adopt it and turn it into something that has no place in any society. Therefore it is people like this why Avant-Garde took off in the first place! To question authority.
agree, but by your definition avant grade would be something almost impossible to reach
I printed this comment out for my classroom wall. This comment + this video has given my students a clear understanding of what avant-garde in fashion means. Many thanks.
Interesting video Bliss. Surprised you used Sontag's Against Interpretation however as you engage exactly in what she was arguing against - a focus on complicated hermeneutics rather than viewing the art (in this case fashion) simply by how it appears and how it functions. Western philosophy's (particularly Postmodernism's) need to compartmentalise everything under unique terms is a constant thorn in the side of all creative practices.
I think Yohji Yamamoto's work provides us with a good example - Yohji is avant-garde in the purest sense. His work is not about exterior references or providing the viewer/the analyst with layers to interpret. His work is pragmatic and for the wearer - it is about the form of his clothes and how they functions when worn. Can't get more "inaccessible" than that.
Strong agree! Susan definitely argues against what I do. A big part of why I picked up that essay is because I hoped to learn from her. I have a lot of respect for Susan‘s writings. I’m hoping that reading more of her work will make me better at what I do 💫💫
@@BlissFoster 100% with you! It's only beneficial to read broadly and from opposing perspectives. I think Kant's Critique of Judgement (specifically the concept of the Sublime and the four moments) could potentionally be used to argue for the purpose of the avant garde fashion as well. Derrida (Deconstructionism) could be another option too - especially given Alison Gills' book Deconstruction Fashion: The Making of Unfinished, Decomposing and Re-assembled Clothes (1998) providing a precident for his ideas being applied to fashion.
@@BlissFoster The last syllable of Susan Sontag is pronounced tag and it rhymes with rag, it does NOT rhyme with log.
@@jcg_001 Gill's essay is a journal article in Fashion Theory (volume 2, number 1) - I don't think it exists as a book but I could be wrong. I'd agree, it's a very important piece, though its main task is dispelling the lazy use of deconstruction to simply apply to its literal translation in fashion - taking things apart or not finishing them. She starts to reclaim a potentially more useful application, using Margiela's inside out and construction exposed garments. I need to give it another read!
@@iantrowell9123 @Ian Trowell I put book as a simplification, felt it was only a minor misnomer - should have gone something more nebulous like "text".
Yeah I mentioned it since I feel it's a good starting point for defining what can be deconstruction within fashion.
i love the setup before. but this one with the chair and background is just ✨✨
Wow, this is probably the most useful explanation of what avant garde is that I've ever come across, the clear distinction between content and form
That's because it is a faulty explanation, there is no one definition but Avant Garde is supposed to mean the birth of a new movement within art or philosophy and those who lead it
Look deeper into it. There is a lot more to this movement, it's much deeper and you have to really study the definition of what this movement was, is still today. Avant-garde thru the art scene has not only influenced the masses, but it has also influenced them to think deeper and that deepness has led them to help make real societal change over the years.
The advanced arts have always been the forefront of societies progress.
Your channel has inspired me to think more deeply about both fashion and art altogether, especially as a physical manifestation of philosophical ideas- thanks Bliss
I’m so glad it as useful for you 💫💫
That's a great topic to think about as dialectical materialism is the most important philosophy of our time. I recommend Plato and Hegel as good reads
Nah thank you Bliss, I appreciate this as I am doing some research to deepen the actual knowledge behind where I want to take my brand and how I'll push my own boundaries to come out with something that I can define as amazing to me. Avant-Garde is definitely the route I want to go down but I know all this can not be done in one day and I will have to put these puzzle pieces together.
This video was linked to in my fashion design degree as a conversation around defining Avant-Garde! Such an interesting watch, thank you
Awesome! May I ask what school? I want to thank them 🦾
This was brilliant! So glad I've found your channel, I love how you explore fashion in an in-depth analytical way, you're also easy to follow (coming from someone with ADHD so you really are!) Hope you're having a good summer.
Martin Margiela : “doesn’t care much if the proportions seem strange to the eye, if the way he puts his pieces together . . . look unlike what women wear today. That’s the point of being avant-garde, isn’t it? To disturb in some way.”
In my youth when I first started to develop my love for fashion, I was drawn to the idea of Avant Garde as inexplicably different. I would try to scrible on fashion figures and look at it as Avant Garde. Overtime as I start to expand my knowledge on fashion, My definition of Avant Garde has change. For me it's all about defying the norm. Innovation's are one of the most common form of Avant Garde but it can also be applicable to those who deconstruct and forms satirical crticism. I love how the video say something about how Avant Garde changes over time. That's usually the goal of Avant Garde artist, to push change and perspective. When something Avant Garde is considered a norm over time, it's a success for those artist.
So I was thinking lately and there are 2 linguistic points, it is fair that we should follow the pre-established meaning of words to correctly express notions behind them, but what about the second point in which the language is defined not by the dictionary, but by the usage of people in communication, that's a whole different perspective as if we remember the one who create dictionaries base their decisions about words meaning on the one they have already heard or found in literature, not the one that already exists. So taking into account the dynamics of the word meaning may be useful not to set borders too strict.
Love your thoughts on this topic. I also like to add Alexander McQueen his house speak to issues using unconventional understanding of garments expressed as art exposing the good the bad the ugly and yes very much in sync with the zeitgeist of the time
i honestly hope you never stop making videos
I couldn’t stop if I tried 🦾
@@BlissFoster BLESS
Thanks. Just wow. This just solved the prolonged mystery in my head
The word, at it's core refers to those warriors who go first in an army during war. It only got applied to art around the early 1800s and made it's way into fashion for the same reason - like the artists who were doing things that were not done before at the sake of creativity, and those warriors "brave" enough to challenge the opposing army which we could call popular art / fashion.
yeah i'm really surprised he didn't mention the etymology of the word, as i have always found that the easiest way to understand what it means for artists
Damn that really describes avant garde perfectly. Brave soldiers.
He butchured the idea of the word with a made up definition. Avant Garde is not at all tied to fashion specifically
Wow! That's so interesting! Thank you for sharing!! :D
Never really cared about fashion, but this is interesting. Thanks for the vid!
I’m so glad it was useful for you! There’s so much more to fashion than just “SIX HOT TRENDS FOR SPRING” etc. if you want to have your mind blown, go check out my video on Margiela’s Spring 1990 runway show. Absolutely wild stuff
@@BlissFoster will do!
loved it, the explaination and damn casual way of telling such an intense movement !!
as someone who was randomly recommended this video out of no where while knowing nothing about fashion this was interesting and fairly easy to follow!! i guess i'll be getting into fashion now l m a o
It really helps to understand avant-garde art as pushing the art FORM (or all art) forward. It’s not about the art itself, more about the progress or newness of the art pushing the boundaries.
Avant-garde is much, much more profound than that. Few have the ability to access it as a powerful tool to reach societies consciousness.
Goood morning erryone hope y’all have a blessed productive week🖤
Have a based productive week 🤝
You too !!
Thank you
From the art lecture i took, avant garde is the french word describing the soldiers up front pushing the boundary, so it implies the idea of challenging old ideas and looking for new forms in the art context.
Hence, i believe avant garde is a relative concept along the flow of time. When Saint Laurent brought up the idea of Ready to Wear during the era when everyone is making bespoke suits, that was considered avant garde. Yohji brought up collections in monotone when Paris was all about the glamour and colours, that was avant garde as well. Now? Not so much.
Not saying that the designers are trapped in their signature style after they saw the path to success, instead, ‘avant garde’ is just a label for people to easily understand the rebellious ideas that challenged the norms and were against the contemporary values.
If i say so myself, man like Yohji, who said making clothes is like walking in a dark alley, is now doing a collab with supreme, now thats avant garde. Jk
I like this approach. Personally, I prefer the term to be more specific, BUT I feel like any definition we use needs to have a clear way for it to be used. And that’s what you’ve laid out here. I appreciate the nuanced comment, Laurese 🦾 Keep it up 💫💫
@@BlissFoster I wish you to represent art well and then you cannot say you need a specific definition for an idea, escape the Anglo box of discourse
Avant-garde is about change and there are few who know how to use it effectively.
I think I've finally wrapped my head around the concept! Took me a hot minute there. I think after watching the terminology video as a 101 this makes more sense. I feel like I wasn't quite latching on to the relation between avant garde, and time.
It's really more about the concept of future, how to read that future, to see it when you know you see it. It's like swaying society but only for the future.
I grew up in Cambridge, MA and live around the corner from that MIT building glad to see it in here 🔥💯
Hi Bliss, luv ur videos! Could you include all the fashion designers you mention in your videos in the description? I’d love to learn more about them and it’d really help me find out more. Thanks!
Could listen to you for hours
So freaking cool. None of art is disconnected or in a vacuum
Am i the only one who like how bliss Foster sounds? His voice is mesmerizing.
Very interesting video. I only would like to add that there should be designers or trends that follow, however many years later, to be considered Avant-Garde. Maybe there's a need for a word for fashion outliers? Designers who stay true to their vision (e.g. Yamamoto in this video) but doesn't inspire others. Who function like "musicians musicians", not inspirations but neccessary palate cleansers, if you will.
My thought on avant-garde, which translates in literal fashion from the French as "advance guard," is that many designers can be seen as having an avant-garde moment. I refer to Madame Vionnet's introduction of cutting on the bias; Dior's 1947 "New Look;" Chanel's "Little Black Dress" in the 1920's, and her 1953 suits: four-pocket jacket with metal buttons and matching skirt; etc. They each gained an image of being "the wonderful 'next new major thing' that no one else had thought about, yet, but should have." However, they are not in any way perceived as avant-garde designers. It seems that designers only achieve that attribution over time in an authentic manner by remaining outside of (or ahead of) the current's mainstream, collection after collection and year upon year. This "outside" quality allows the designer to keep the same look year after year, if she or he wishes. Paradoxically, this "keeping-the-same-silhouette-forever" ability plays into the definition of avant-garde. This is not something the "inside" designers could do, as they are expected to continually innovate and evolve. Avante-garde fashion has the capacity to startle the viewer upon first sight, which might be another aspect of its definition.
Surprised Carol Christian Poell was not mentioned. The drips, prosthetics, material use, dyeing practice, and more make the label’s work a no-brainer for avant-garde.
The Avant-Garde is about fighting for and maintaining freedom, while defining who we are thru meaningful art that speaks to the masses!
Before one tries to explain what it is, it is equally important to talk about how it started, what the original meanings meant, and what it was meant to do.
Avant-Garde is the Vanguard (French) of an Army. The part of the army that goes first into battle. Progressive artists in the beginning adopted this term to define themselves as going into battle, to be bold and create art that would, could influence, even change thinking of the masses. To move people, or at least open doors to open thinking about societies fairness and inclusiveness. To break free of the old outdated stagnate thinking that suppressed peoples views and freedoms pre-1960's.
The 1960's counter culture movements are a great example of this. The arts HEAVILY influenced this movement, as vise versa the movement influenced artists.
Over the years there have been many, many artists in literature, music, film, even fashion, as well as visual and performing arts who have experimented in finding ways to help society break free, to help create a more open free'r society, to advance a more inclusive society, not only here in the states but around the world.
Whether its the early expressionists of Monet, or Andy Warhol and the Velvet Underground, or todays Ice Cube, Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift, these artists are a HUGE part of the art movement.
Lately extremists have coined it "woke" but there is nothing wrong with being woke. Being consciously awake is actually a good thing. It benefits everyone. And who knows? Maybe it is possible that the next movement could be woke-ism! Perhaps under the heading of pop as there are numerous sub-movements going on right now? And we cannot forget the fact that all of this is art driven.
It's why modern art museums exist beyond old art museums. We can enjoy and learn from the past, the present or both!
There have been many movements under the avant-garde in the last 100+ years and the latest, and the biggest movement of today (that basically umbrella's the entire movement) is Pop Culture!
It is called pop culture because it is 'popular'. All of these movements in the past that have tried to create popular culture has now collectively developed in the past 60, 70 years and grown into one true pop, and it has at one time or another touched all of our lives.
It is a culture where we as artists, our job is to move people into an open direction, to examine the world closer as we create its beauty. We can only do this thru constant experimentation in our quest to define who we are as people and how we coincide with each other, as well as life here on earth. This is vital for human survival and our freedoms.
Is there any designer piece that you think has outstanding balance of wearability, form, and content?
I agree with you. I think that Avant-Garde evolves along side an evolving culture.
I've learnt so much from this channel. Gracias
Ok just had to say if this is the depth of comments on youtube (and the video of course) I'm dashing to the Patreon lol
Ayyyyy 🙏🙏 that means a ton to me, Grace. Thank you
Love your videos and watching you get better and better at making them, YOU ARE GOING TO GO MEGA!
amazing depth! looking forward to more!
great video! thanks!
I'm so glad I found your channel!
You look like the joker from the newest movie I just noticed that wow, YOURE SO COOL
great explanation of Avant-Garde!
prada just showed printed fur for their latest runway
While Avant Garde is the only way, fashion can still, innovatively progress with the cultural Zeitgeist,it can never be the answer to anything.
Avant Garde is about finding new ways, so Avant Garde is simply the definition of the exact question we have to ask ourselves, in order to find the way, that reflects our vision.
I'm going to need a more specific id on that Helmut hoodie!!
Fall Winter 2015 I believe 💫💫 cashmere hoodie
So by definition, what would be the complete opposite of avant grade? As in what would be the art form that would describe something that is trying to not only say a message but tell a story
Avant garde is literally expression of a story
@@amulyajain725 well no, its expression of art or art form like fencing.
So another example is all the fashion shows competitions on vh1 …. Where they would be like the inspo is city life n you have toothpicks and plastic bottles to create a timeless piece ….. right?
Normalize wearing armor 💜
Love the video, was wondering who makes that sweater or how I can find it, it’s 🔥
It’s a Fall Winter 2015 Helmut Lang Cashmere Hoodie 💫💫
To be honest, I feel like a case can be made for "bringing ideas that are outside of fashion into fashion" as a definition of avant-garde. Because in a way, what most designers do is recycle pre-existing ideas into new ones (amazingly so, by the way). But by leaning into the fields of architecture, art, technology, avant-garde fashion takes inspiration from something else, and brings a new narrative. In this regard, I think the gender-bending fashion of now is only partly avant-garde, because it brings ideas of philosophy (queer philosophy) into fashion, but it's already something that was existing in fashion, be it the garçonnes of the 1920s, or the gender neutral work clothes (like a lab coat). And a new idea that's neither art, nor architecture nor anything else, truly new, can also be seen as "outside of fashion".
Now fight me :)
I don’t think Avant-garde fashion cares more about the content than the form of it. If anything they would be equal, since with Avant-garde fashion the form is (well obviously) experimental and much paid attention towards. Of course the content is often also strong, but it doesn’t seem smart to ignore the form either.
Whether the pieces are actually WEARABLE is up to the individual, but for me personally most of it looks incredible, so I’m all for it.
right time
Can someone please spell the name / help me find the designer referenced with the glass shoe at the 6:50 mark ??
Sruli Recht 💫💫
Thank you!!
True, that avant-garde is tied to it’s current time. Avant-garde 50 years ago may not be avant-garde 50 years from now or even today. But the point is not that, atleast, for me, the point is that it pushed the artform forward
Hi, I would like to hear what you think of the cult designers i.e. Geoffrey Small, Paul Harden etc. Exclusive stores carry these lines verses the mass designers.
I absolutely love Geoffrey, Harnden, CCP, Guidi, Deepti, Ziggy Chen, etc. that whole category is awesome. I have an analysis episode about Carol, but I still need to do more feature episodes on the artisinal avante garde designers 💫💫
What’s the fashion show with the dude walking in a metal box
A-Cold-Wall 💫💫
Thanks frame 5:20 correct ?
Yup!
I'm not sure you need to flip the definition to make it work for fashion. I think as it applies to this topic "content" is roughly akin to "the point of..." (e.g. telling a story about a dying father, or a jacket being warm and attractive) and form is roughly akin to "presentation" (e.g. the film was edited to be non-linear, the jacket was made to be worn by three people and the show was on brighton pier as a commentary on the tourism industry).
Hi Bliss, I have a small question, where is the thumbnail art from? Thanks!
Fredrik Tjærandsen 🦾
thank you for all of this amazing video
would there be a difference of avant grade and camp??
Absolutely. Avante-garde is pushing the art form forward, that’s all it’s doing. Camp is an aesthetic. Camp *can* push the art form forward, but that’s not it’s whole purpose 💫💫
thank you for this Bliss
Love you, Bliss🐇
how can we join the server :)?
The private discord is a perk to joining the Patreon. I keep the price as low as I can so anyone who wants the benefits of the community can join up. The link is in the description 💫💫
Those theorists mostly never believed fashion as a form of art. Therefore their definition cannot be applied to it. Fashion designers tried so hard to introduce it as an art so at the first step kind of released it from the shape of the body. I think as a result now fashion is separated into wearable and avant-garde clothes. Nobody wore tabi boots untill 3 decades after they were made and yet mostly people don't.
That’s an interesting approach. That most critics’ definitions and questions about the avant-garde might not apply at all to fashion. I’d have to think on this to give a proper response, but I GREATLY appreciate you introducing a new complication into the discussion 💫💫 I’m here for it 🦾
@@BlissFoster well I think as other branches of fine art are already an art so they can be classified as an avant-garde or traditional painting, sculpture, etc. But a part of fashion is hardly considered to be art (which mostly look like avant-garde ideas and forms of fine art) and clothes which are there to be worn and nothing else. Ignoring the content in modern art was itself a meaningful action I think. So repeating it can't be an avant-garde action. I think it's mostly associated with "creativity" and "producing forms as a result of an idea which didn't used to thought about it in that circumstance". Like juxtaposition.
5:05 - What is this? Can someone Identify the white frame/ Square turning thing?
A-COLD-WALL 💫💫
loved this video
this video is so cool and interesting
What show is that double dress from???
Double dress? What’s the time stamp?
0:49
@@Balanced69 Guo Pei fall 2019
I should have tagged it, that’s my fault. Thanks @alexandre 💫💫
do one for archive !!
I have an episode about this! 😊 just search TH-cam for “Bliss Foster archive” and it’ll come up 💫💫
I loved this!!!
thank you for so much info
You’re work is amazing 🤩 ... Where are you’re pants from?
Those are JW Anderson! I love em! Btw the brands I’m wearing are always listed at the beginning of each episode 💫💫
Bruh, I love your Balmain Hair Couture wig! It looks so good on you!
I miss you 😭😭😭
which year is the margiela show and what is the name of the airplane dress？
Margiela Spring 1996. I’m not sure I understand your other question, could you try rephrasing it? My understanding is it’s just called the airplane dress 💫💫
How long did u take to groe your hair from ur profile pic short hair? Did you perm and how u style them?
I’ve been growing it out for about a year, getting little trims as I go. No perm, my hair just curls up at this length 💫💫
Ye know what? You wearing no shoes makes this far more confortable for me
6:16 if anybody knows how this brand is spelled id appreciate it. I just cant find it
Sruli Recht 💫💫
@@BlissFoster thank you
May I ask what is the name of the art piece in 1:46?
“Play-Doh” by Jeff Koons or maybe you were referring to “Composition with Portrait” by Victor Brauner? 💫💫
Yes!! I was wondering that “Play-Doh” sculpture belongs to who. Now I know. Appreciate!
Sorry but I absolutely disagree with this definition.
What you described here is Haute Couture/Experimentalism (and maybe a bit of Avantgarde), but you definitely did not really understand what Avantgarde is about per se. Haute Couture can be Avantgarde and vice versa - but the terms aren't interchangeable.
Haute Couture is basically where you sacrifice practicability for looks - sometimes hitting some idea with the nail on the head where it starts to take off and get applied in more practical ways for everyday use. When they do so, they might become Avantgarde, but not necessarily either.
Experimentalism is a very broad genre that can very often be observed within Haute Couture and experimentalist ideas can lead to something Avantgardist, but not necessarily does it mean that it's either per se.
Avantgarde are ideas that, retrospectively speaking, were AHEAD of their time and managed to establish themselves within the context they were being used in OVER time. in short, they proved themselves to not just be nice ideas - they are concepts/ideas/experiments/elements/... that proved themselves to have a reason to stay. They are ideas that showed themselves to be worth exploring in order to make them applicable more broadly. Avantgardist elements are always relevant long-term. Their impact on a ceratin landscape can be clear from the very first second, or after several years, when they resurface and hit a certain 'Zeitgeist' they didn't hit before at all.
And for that reason, imo Avantgarde is different from any other genre in that nothing can be called Avantgarde, just because. Things can only be categorized as "Avantgarde" after it became clear that they were, in fact, ahead of their time. It's a label you can only restrospectively put onto something, really. An idea that leads to new ideas, not an idea that is derived from another classic idea. They are standalone ideas, that can be explored and twisted, but the essence stays.
Etymology of Avantgarde:
avant (french): 'before' or 'ahead'
garde (french): 'guard' or 'watch'
-> Avantgardist elements are distilled, standalone, concepts. Acting like some sort of pillar within a certain context (here: fashion) where each variation of the basic idea can be derived from. they are forerunners, pioneers.
When you try something completely new and drop it, then it's maybe 'Haute Couture' or 'Experimentalist', but only by chance can you realistically call it 'Avantgarde' already. That's because it couldn't possibly have had the chance to prove its long-term relevance within a certain discipline yet, obviously.
Jacket name please?
Helmut Lang from the Alexandre Plokhov era. The IDs for all my outfits are in the first few seconds of every video 💫💫
So I have these leggings that have the print of jeans on them. I thought they were the most ghetto thing in the world. Well now I will wear them and say oh they’re avant garde…haven’t you seen the work of Martin margela 💁♀
Who made the airplane dress?
Hussein Chalayan 💫💫
id on sweatshirt?
Helmut Lang from the Alexandre Plokhov era. One of my favorite pieces I’ve ever owned. Btw, ID’s for all clothes are in the first few seconds of every video 💫💫
5:06 ref?
I must have forgotten to label that one 😅 A-COLD-WALL SS19
would Chanel be considered not avant- guards? as chanel is more known for classic style and not innovative designs.
That’s an interesting question, because while their shapes are not very innovative, they really push the envelope on technique. I’m honestly not sure how they fit into the AG puzzle 🤔
@@BlissFoster Maybe houses like chanel that aren’t exactly considered avant- guard as a whole but we can consider some looks to be such. maybe categorizing a house wether it’s avant guard or not is a bad way to approach it and it’s best to break down them by their looks.
Marc Magelo???
Sorry, I should be specific: how do you spell that designers' name? I would dearly like to read more about them.
It's a year late, but it's Martin Margiela.
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3:10 i frew up
Yeah, that was pretty rough. I gave 2 trigger warnings: one at the beginning of the video and another one 30 seconds before the clip 💫💫
A little warning before showing some guy getting his belly sliced open and using the skin for a piece of jewelry would of been nice, I was eating my dinner!
I gave a trigger warning at the top of the show and 30 seconds before showing the clip tho? 🤔
Avant-Garde = Like before watching
Stepping out in glass slippers
Yeah, I mean when I first started liking fashion I hated avant-garde. But I loved the "form", then over time I loved the "process", now enjoy the "content." It wasn't me being close minded it, was me being overwhelmed by consuming it all at once.
Yeah, it’s easy to get overwhelmed if we don’t have a framework to take it all in. I had a similar path with this stuff. Always appreciate hearing your thoughts, Ntsako 🦾
@@BlissFoster thanks bliss 😁
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Look.
Avant Garde music sounds good.
Avant Garde painting looks good.
Avant Garde film evoke profound feelings by creative use of narrative and sequence.
But I ain't going out the streets with bulky shapes and stuff. It looks cringe asf. Like what do you use it for? You don't go out for coffee looking like marshmallow with bulky pillow shirt and pants and say "oh how drowsy I've felt on a morning sun. As a gust had burst with a bitter scent, I will soon wake, as soon as I asleep. As soon until a coffee break under a cozy pillow shirt" like ok we get it 😆 you'd still get your coffee otherwise anyways.
I don’t understand 🤔 could you explain this a different way please?
@@BlissFoster What I meant is I don't really get the point of Avant Garde fashion. In that regards I would like to address 3 points:
*Outdoor- like I previously said, I wouldn't dare go outside dressed as something absurd like balloon shirt with leaves sleeves or such. Instead I'd rather choose something neat and minimalistic. You wouldn't want to attract unnecessary attention no?
*Narrative - I do get the point that it was design to tell something but aren't our normal shirt tells the same? Depends on the color palette of your choice it does gives a subtle appeal to your personality, so why bother with a bulky clothes?
*Experimental - I also get that the whole point of Avant Garde as an art genre in general was to innovate. That's one of the reason I like Satoshi Kon and other Avant Garde artist, but if it's dress you're experimenting on why would you present a prototype? Like, would you really go outside wearing your prototype?
Imagine:
Stranger: "hey, what's with the dress?"
The artist: "oh. It's my work DRss 005"
To be fair I don't really know much about fashion. I'm recently just getting into it. Even so, I still found this kind of aesthetics very absurd, some are even too impractical that it doesn't look appealing anymore.
Although you could say the same for art,music and film right? No. I found it very different. In a canvass for example it's limitless. With intuitive knowledge of how art works you can draw anything absurd and appealing at the same time, the same applies with film and music. But dress exist independent of any medium you can manipulate limitless like paper or digital device and thus it's appeal are bound to limit. Perhaps at some point you have idea that looks appealing on paper but too impractical in real life. As far as I know anything other than Avant Garde fashion would work.
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Yo what means “expense”😭
Expense means to the detriment of something
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Yup! I gave trigger warnings 28 seconds into the video and 30 seconds prior to the clip 💫💫
@@BlissFoster oh sorry i wasn't looking on the screen until that moment, i must have not been listening, sorry about that!
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