Mitch would you say the same if it had been Chase Elliot and Kyle Larson? Oh wait it never would have been those two because if it had been a Hendrick driver the inspector would have said "quick put that wrap back on nothing to see here".
@@skidoorulz4914 Yes, I would have. NASCAR is like the NHL. Hockey could stop the fighting if it really wanted to, just like NASCAR could stop the cheating if it really wanted to. I’m hoping they’re serious about it, and this could be the first step in proving so.
@@skidoorulz4914 Jimmie Johnson's 48 car used to get violations every so often. So it's not like there is a Hendrick favoritism in the sport. If there was then they would have done something to limit the Toyota's and Fords back when the Chevrolets were struggling for a few years.
@@fathersondiecast6521 I always hate how they never say what it was the additive, turned out to be they had jet fuel coated on to the cylinder walls for just a little more combustion during qualifying.
@@nicolewembley3093 Actually it was a gel fuel similar to bunson burner fuel(methanol) that was coated on the inside of the intake manifold. That was disappointing for the sponsor and Toyota as it was the first season with TRD and MWR with NAPA.
There won't be a breakdown because they really don't know how they just suspect, I suspect it really did not give them a performance advantage I just think they outclassed the field. The record I hate Chase Elliott I think he's a sneaky dirty driver who always gets the benefit of the doubt he may not have done anything dirty in this instance but I've seen it enough to know. He's kind of like Mark Martin used to be he'd do something slightly dirty and then say whoops didn't mean to do that just one of those racing deals sorry.
Yeah my guess is Joe Gibbs didn't know about it but someone or some people that works for him were in on it. So at the very least someone within JGR got talked to and I would think punished for it. I don't think that any team owner would willingly allow this sort of thing to happen because of the risk.
JGR knew exactly what they were doing. 1. Why else would you put something under the wrap to try and conceal it? 2. Not issuing an appeal means you know you got caught.
@@vladlenin3160 They've done it before too. Have you watched Race yet on Netflix? There is a part on there that all the Toyotas got busted and were sent to the back.
5 1/2” by 2” piece of tape on BOTH sides of the front fascia on 2 cars. That’s a fairly significant violation. They claim ignorance but it’s well into the season and everything EVERYTHING on these cars is intensively vetted. They knew what they were doing. easy DQ
Pocono is a hard to pass racetrack that makes a car aero tight and difficult to pass other cars. A little front down force is a huge advantage at a track like this!!!
A lot of oing and awing on that radio bit, just say the infraction dude no need to be stammering around, how big a difference can a 2" x 5 1/2" piece of packaging tape make on a front aero package, hmm and a thickness of 0.012 thickness, sounds pretty flimsy to me, was there intent to skew a grey area most likely. How harsh will the punishment be? Severe they (NASCAR) have got to make a statement, this will not be tolerated. The fallout will be huge on this.
Yeah I believe that tape did nothing NASCAR was just fine in a way to get it to drivers they don't much care for. Might as well slit your own wrists now NASCAR you're on the way out anyways losing fans and droves, just look at most of these televised races the stands are 2/3 full seats are covered where there should be people.
Denny or any other driver does not touch the car or have anything to do with stuff being put on them. This is not the good ol days. Today's drivers only drive, thats it!!
@@whiteeyes3743 agreed, the team took a stab at an aero advantage and got caught. Both #18 & #11 will be under scrutiny for the rest of the season. Interested to see if crew chiefs, engineers, or other members of those 2 teams will see suspensions and/or fines.
@@jeremysinaz3580 Absolutely!! They better be careful even just thinking about doing something outside the rules. Nascar gonna pop up in their thoughts🤣🤣
@@jeremysinaz3580 if the crew chiefs don’t get a suspension for this (something they are fully in control over) then they should stop being suspended when a tire changer doesn’t get the nut on tight enough.
Whoever Gibbs aerodynamics engineer is, he's pretty amazing. Think about the size of these items. Take 3 new dollar bills and stack them. They would be larger than than what caused the DQ. Rules are rules I understand. Will Nascar ever tell us how these (improvements) was an unfair advantage?
NASCAR when Larson’s car is way ahead of everyone all 2021 long: Nothing to see here NASCAR when JGR finishes 1 and 2 in a race: they gotta be using two pieces of tape to get an advantage, get ‘em outta here!
Push the envelope but don't cross the line, Hamlin and Busch did and got caught. The coverage on FOX was almost unwatchable, they missed so much that I had to find out about on Mon. I think they were all on vacation.
Sounds deliberate to me, 5 inches long, 2 inches wide on BOTH SIDES of the Front Facia. In my day we called that Cheating but that was a long time ago in the Old America 🤔💬🫣🤥
Fans pay big money to attend a NASCAR race and travel great distance too. I don't care for Toyota's, but Joe Gibbs does, and I have always respected him as an honest man. He should have been fined instead. The cars are inspected when they get to the track. They are inspected before the qualify and inspected again before the race. If there was a problem, it should have been noticed during the inspection. The fan at the track and watching on TV should be left with how the race ended. Win, lose or draw and not find out that NASCAR decided to find infraction of the car after the race that they didn't find before the race. GM has always had their fingers involved in racing where they shouldn't have. Champion drag racer Bob Glidden was beating GM back in the day and no matter what GM did Glidden kept winning national titles. After a couple years of winning NHRA required Giddens car to weigh 200 Lbs. more than GM and Glidden still beat them. Hendricks has an inside with NASCAR.
Crazy. One minute you're celebrating moving up into a solid #2 seed behind Elliott. The next you're seeing him claim victory, and plummeting down the standings.
This sport demands new inventions to go faster. Every car out there is trying something new, to get the edge. However, some things are not allowed to be modified. If I was going to cheat, the first thing I would do is angle those wide exhaust pipes under the car down on the front. That's gotta create more down force
Watching grown men standing stiffly and awkwardly 4ft apart from each other and "conversing" normally is ridiculous by Fox. Get these guys a couple chairs
Let's just 3D print these cars making them autonomous and line them up left to right in a perfect straight line so everybody can get first place at the same time
Mark my words. This is the beginning of the end of NASCAR. I’ve been to over 20 races live including 5 Daytona 500’s. There are more empty seats than ever. Don’t forget the number of seats have been drastically reduced and the admission prices are soaring. I myself won’t be attending anymore races and probably only watch the end of a couple of the major events on tv. It’s such a shame that incompetent management has failed such an historic sport.
It likely changed the way the air moved over the front facia, and created more downforce. Back when they were allowed to put tape over the air inlets of the front grill, they would sometimes use pieces of tape that were only about 3" wide and 3" tall. That would drastically change the handling of the car. All cars are laser measured in pre race inspection. I'm told that tolerance of the laser is 0.015" to allow for expansion or contraction of the parts by heat and cold. They used a piece of tape that was 0.012" thick so it would not be caught by the laser measuring device. It was intentional, and it was worth it if they risked getting DQ'd or possibly worse.
How is this not modification of an approved part with a banned substance/agent. They got more downforce did they not. How is this different to RFK racing.
I could be wrong but I think the RFK thing was not because of better performance but to fix something that was broken but still was considered "modified"
I've noticed especially on the super speedway tracks only because the 23 car gets a lot of TV time that there cars seem lower than the other ones mmmmmm
@@TheTacticalRedneckHD Not sure about that!! However, it seems what Gibbs did helped and gave a bigger advantage seeing how both cars came in at 1 and 2🤷♂️🤷♂️
I want my money back for the 300 level tix + sitting in the end of race parking debacle + the airline tix + the hotel + the rental car + pain and suffering for going through Newark airport.
At this point NASCAR needs to just build all the cars themselves on an assembly line pretty much. Haul them all to the track the day before. The teams fly in and then a draw is held to see what team gets what car. Then slap that teams number on the car and driver name over the door. The driver gets 50 practice laps to set the car up to his liking. Then the cars are locked up till the next day and they go racing. Oh wait this was already tried and it failed. Just like NASCAR is failing today.
Did the violation make the car faster? If it didn't give them their wins. But steep fines. Also why wasn't it caught in pre inspection with the template inspection
From what I've read, it's because the tape was under the wrap, which isn't checked in pre-race inspection because it involves pulling the wrap off the car and doesn't give the team's time to reinstall before the race
Someone tell me how these less than razor-thin pieces of tape affected the performance of these cars at least to the extent that it allowed them to win the race. I do not believe it and this is why NASCAR is hemorrhaging viewers I've been watching NASCAR since the '70s when it first came on TV I watched the first race and I've gotten so sick of their nitpicking.
I don't like Hamlin, Busch or JGR but to be dq'd over some tape...? C'mon man! How much of an advantage did that give them? On the bright side, let's go Chase, 4 wins!!!
Even if it was a 0.010 second per lap advantage, it would be worth it. JGR isn't going to risk DQ, possible fines, and maybe even getting DQ'd from the playoffs for something that doesn't make a difference. These guys are engineers. They know exactly how to manipulate aero for max advantage. If they risked it, you are guaranteed that it was worth something on the track.
I really think NASCAR needs to DQ them from the playoffs as the punishment for this . If not a monetary fine in 180 points is going to do nothing to these teams to stop them from pushing further.
Still to many no talent track fillers. Drivers like bubba Wallace needs to either step up or get out. Fans don't care about marketable drivers. Especially one for political show.
Problem is these guys are competitive and winners without and cheats. The introduction of the new gen cars was decided on solely on giving lesser drivers an opportunity. More woke intrusion into sports.
Ok now I heard it all over a piece of clear tape ... There are rules and all cars. Must follow them ... Simple that .... Did that piece of tape make the car faster than the others ... That's the question ❓
What were your reactions to these disqualifications?
Mind-blowing 🤯
Mind blowing it was a clear piece of tape so strict
Cheating is cheating
Mind blown when I saw a tweet about this yesterday.
WAAAAAW WOWWWWW
Micheal Waltrip talking about DQ’s (and potentially cheating) after all his escapades is funny
I know we got caught once but what were the other times.
@@curte7739 True that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 11 and the 18 cars pushed the envelope and got burned.
Explain to me how you think a piece of tape thinner than a piece of paper help them win this race.
@@curte7739 You must be new here.
@@curte7739 It didn’t.
It was done for Areo Advantage which is a No No - They deserved The DQ’s
All Toyotas should have been checked Toyota has sucked all year in the last two weeks they’re upfront What a clown show
Need to check all Toyota cars affiliated with Joe Gibbs Racing. Maybe this wasn't the first time this has happened.
ALL Toyotas are affiliated with JGR. 23/11 is a satellite team.
Way to grow a set, NASCAR. About time.
60 years later
Mitch would you say the same if it had been Chase Elliot and Kyle Larson? Oh wait it never would have been those two because if it had been a Hendrick driver the inspector would have said "quick put that wrap back on nothing to see here".
@@skidoorulz4914 Yes, I would have. NASCAR is like the NHL. Hockey could stop the fighting if it really wanted to, just like NASCAR could stop the cheating if it really wanted to. I’m hoping they’re serious about it, and this could be the first step in proving so.
They wouldn't have done that if it was a Hendrick car
@@skidoorulz4914 Jimmie Johnson's 48 car used to get violations every so often. So it's not like there is a Hendrick favoritism in the sport. If there was then they would have done something to limit the Toyota's and Fords back when the Chevrolets were struggling for a few years.
Michael waltrip should not be laughing at this . If y’all know what I mean, you are old skool og
Smh
yep, I remember a fuel additive issue and an issue manipulating the end of a race to get one of his drivers in the chase.
@@fathersondiecast6521 I always hate how they never say what it was the additive, turned out to be they had jet fuel coated on to the cylinder walls for just a little more combustion during qualifying.
Yeah 2013 Richmond 😁
@@nicolewembley3093 Actually it was a gel fuel similar to bunson burner fuel(methanol) that was coated on the inside of the intake manifold. That was disappointing for the sponsor and Toyota as it was the first season with TRD and MWR with NAPA.
I’d like to see a breakdown of how the pieces of tape under the wrap helped aero functionally.
There won't be a breakdown because they really don't know how they just suspect, I suspect it really did not give them a performance advantage I just think they outclassed the field.
The record I hate Chase Elliott I think he's a sneaky dirty driver who always gets the benefit of the doubt he may not have done anything dirty in this instance but I've seen it enough to know.
He's kind of like Mark Martin used to be he'd do something slightly dirty and then say whoops didn't mean to do that just one of those racing deals sorry.
I think it was just a method of Appling the wrap, I feel it wasn't even done to gain an advantage, and if that's the case it's almost worse lol
@@curte7739 chase hasn't been dirty. only time he is is when he and someone have beef, or is just racing aggressively, which he rarely does
@@WingWalker1 raw Camry Power
@@curte7739 If this was Elliott there would be no problem. Jr gets so exited, when he talks about Elliott that its nauseating.
Clear and under the wrap. Joe Gibbs and JGR knew it was illegal. Hope NASCAR fines them heavy
Joe probably knew nothing about it.
If you think you're any car owner knows every little thing the competition department is doing your nuts.
Yeah my guess is Joe Gibbs didn't know about it but someone or some people that works for him were in on it. So at the very least someone within JGR got talked to and I would think punished for it. I don't think that any team owner would willingly allow this sort of thing to happen because of the risk.
JGR knew exactly what they were doing. 1. Why else would you put something under the wrap to try and conceal it? 2. Not issuing an appeal means you know you got caught.
Well said my man.. busted...
I bet all the Toyotas had this mod.
@@vladlenin3160 you know they did..
Getting caught is karma karma karma
@@vladlenin3160 They've done it before too. Have you watched Race yet on Netflix? There is a part on there that all the Toyotas got busted and were sent to the back.
Would be nice if we could see a picture of the tape and where it was placed.
If you don't think these vivyl pieces made a difference, then why did JGR/Toyota do it? And is it a coincidence that they finished p1 and p2?
5 1/2” by 2” piece of tape on BOTH sides of the front fascia on 2 cars. That’s a fairly significant violation. They claim ignorance but it’s well into the season and everything EVERYTHING on these cars is intensively vetted. They knew what they were doing. easy DQ
Busch's new sponsor will be DQ - Dairy Queen
@@mutantryeff Is there a company called Whiny Queen? That would be more on target. More to come, it is not over yet.
Pocono is a hard to pass racetrack that makes a car aero tight and difficult to pass other cars. A little front down force is a huge advantage at a track like this!!!
@@HellcatM6 no. your entire assumption is incorrect
@@mutantryeff Chase Elliott's new sponsor will be DQI - Drag Queen International
A lot of oing and awing on that radio bit, just say the infraction dude no need to be stammering around, how big a difference can a 2" x 5 1/2" piece of packaging tape make on a front aero package, hmm and a thickness of 0.012 thickness, sounds pretty flimsy to me, was there intent to skew a grey area most likely. How harsh will the punishment be? Severe they (NASCAR) have got to make a statement, this will not be tolerated. The fallout will be huge on this.
Packing tape? FedEx corporate b2b partner visited the JGR race shop during car prep earlier this week...🤣🤣🤣
It's amazing what a piece of tape can do for professional race car.
Yeah I believe that tape did nothing NASCAR was just fine in a way to get it to drivers they don't much care for.
Might as well slit your own wrists now NASCAR you're on the way out anyways losing fans and droves, just look at most of these televised races the stands are 2/3 full seats are covered where there should be people.
More front downforce of course
Maybe Nascar can put some of that tap on the new tire and rim combo on the next Gen race car, it might help to hold them together?
😆😂😂
Maybe the guy responsible could make sure he places the tire on right and it will stay on, yeah? Please, shut up.
C'mon Waltrip, you should have brought up your cheating scandal that bankrupted your team..lol
I first thought of Rooster's win that was stolen away in 1991
Didn't demny call another driver a "hack" yet he's a cheater lol
Denny or any other driver does not touch the car or have anything to do with stuff being put on them. This is not the good ol days. Today's drivers only drive, thats it!!
@@whiteeyes3743 agreed, the team took a stab at an aero advantage and got caught. Both #18 & #11 will be under scrutiny for the rest of the season. Interested to see if crew chiefs, engineers, or other members of those 2 teams will see suspensions and/or fines.
Yeah he called Alex bowman a hack. Hendrick gave him the nickname hack bowman the next race.
@@jeremysinaz3580 Absolutely!! They better be careful even just thinking about doing something outside the rules. Nascar gonna pop up in their thoughts🤣🤣
@@jeremysinaz3580 if the crew chiefs don’t get a suspension for this (something they are fully in control over) then they should stop being suspended when a tire changer doesn’t get the nut on tight enough.
Denny "Absolute" Hacklin and "The Beaver" (aka a Busch)
Cheating is cheating there is nothing you can do
As long as you don't get caught ! I still think that JGR should have consulted beyond the Grave with Smokey before the Race ! LMAO !
It happened to King Richard in the 80s for running a 383.
What about 19 and 20?
Can’t do that. That would mean they’d have to inspect the 23 and 45 as well. Napcar would be RaCiSt for dqing the 23.
Thongs change scent from one end to the other. Knowledge is power. God bless
Welp good work Nascar it isn't Collin Cowherd this time. Truly a accomplishment that took years to accomplish
Could not have happened to a better couple, two yo-yos
Pretty sure Chastain laughing at Hamlin 😎
I was in shock and I thought this must be a real blow for JG racing and a surprise for Hendrick Motorsports because Chase Elliot won instead of Hamlin
Whoever Gibbs aerodynamics engineer is, he's pretty amazing. Think about the size of these items. Take 3 new dollar bills and stack them. They would be larger than than what caused the DQ. Rules are rules I understand. Will Nascar ever tell us how these (improvements) was an unfair advantage?
NASCAR when Larson’s car is way ahead of everyone all 2021 long: Nothing to see here
NASCAR when JGR finishes 1 and 2 in a race: they gotta be using two pieces of tape to get an advantage, get ‘em outta here!
They knew every nut, bolt and piece of tape on those vehicles before they touched the track.
Nascar does not
Not if it’s a piece of tape under the wrap…
Push the envelope but don't cross the line, Hamlin and Busch did and got caught. The coverage on FOX was almost unwatchable, they missed so much that I had to find out about on Mon. I think they were all on vacation.
And Ross Chastain is still laughing at Hamlin. Don't blame him. Go Ross!
lol honestly
Watermelon anyone.. LOL
@@jeffhardin657 Yeah I'll have a piece
Where did Radioactive go? It's been a few weeks.
How about that 100 points loss ? That needs to happen just like what happened to ford .
Exactly
They have the pole, glad that they caught what nascar was looking for and not why they actually did! This was a giveaway for for Gibbs
Most of you must not watch the JR download where Ty Norris explained what happened to get the extra points from a race 9 years ago.
Sounds deliberate to me, 5 inches long, 2 inches wide on BOTH SIDES of the Front Facia. In my day we called that Cheating but that was a long time ago in the Old America 🤔💬🫣🤥
Fans pay big money to attend a NASCAR race and travel great distance too. I don't care for Toyota's, but Joe Gibbs does, and I have always respected him as an honest man. He should have been fined instead. The cars are inspected when they get to the track. They are inspected before the qualify and inspected again before the race. If there was a problem, it should have been noticed during the inspection. The fan at the track and watching on TV should be left with how the race ended. Win, lose or draw and not find out that NASCAR decided to find infraction of the car after the race that they didn't find before the race. GM has always had their fingers involved in racing where they shouldn't have. Champion drag racer Bob Glidden was beating GM back in the day and no matter what GM did Glidden kept winning national titles. After a couple years of winning NHRA required Giddens car to weigh 200 Lbs. more than GM and Glidden still beat them. Hendricks has an inside with NASCAR.
Dam air dam air flows smooth,a blonde hair width,its the flexability of errorr
Is it my TV but does Mikey kinda look like a Werewolf
Crazy.
One minute you're celebrating moving up into a solid #2 seed behind Elliott.
The next you're seeing him claim victory, and plummeting down the standings.
This sport demands new inventions to go faster. Every car out there is trying something new, to get the edge. However, some things are not allowed to be modified. If I was going to cheat, the first thing I would do is angle those wide exhaust pipes under the car down on the front. That's gotta create more down force
Kyle is gone.
Who was the random team picked out? They must have been ok.
Watching grown men standing stiffly and awkwardly 4ft apart from each other and "conversing" normally is ridiculous by Fox. Get these guys a couple chairs
Go go Chavy, Chase will be champion again
Let's just 3D print these cars making them autonomous and line them up left to right in a perfect straight line so everybody can get first place at the same time
Are you trying to say that all drivers in nascar are all the same and cant compete when given the same car.
This is the first time I have seen this
lol having mikie talk about cheating ??? LOL
Guess modifying for Toyota doesn't warrant an L3.
Mark my words. This is the beginning of the end of NASCAR. I’ve been to over 20 races live including 5 Daytona 500’s. There are more empty seats than ever. Don’t forget the number of seats have been drastically reduced and the admission prices are soaring. I myself won’t be attending anymore races and probably only watch the end of a couple of the major events on tv. It’s such a shame that incompetent management has failed such an historic sport.
I don’t think it’s team management, more the corporate takeovers. Just like our government!
that little girl learned daddy is a cheater oof
Hamlin wasn't the one who decided to cheat he just drove the car so stop blaming the drivers like they even knew about the tape
@@johnhaas2523 you're a fool if you think the drivers aren't in on it..
I have yet to hear anybody explain how a very small piece of tape, under the wrap, helps aero. Some real jackass comments, but no explanation.
It likely changed the way the air moved over the front facia, and created more downforce. Back when they were allowed to put tape over the air inlets of the front grill, they would sometimes use pieces of tape that were only about 3" wide and 3" tall. That would drastically change the handling of the car.
All cars are laser measured in pre race inspection. I'm told that tolerance of the laser is 0.015" to allow for expansion or contraction of the parts by heat and cold. They used a piece of tape that was 0.012" thick so it would not be caught by the laser measuring device.
It was intentional, and it was worth it if they risked getting DQ'd or possibly worse.
you cheated,, got caught..lol
Probably figured the tape would come off with the wrap...didn't happen
What difference is a piece of tape gonna make someone explain that to me
How is this not modification of an approved part with a banned substance/agent. They got more downforce did they not. How is this different to RFK racing.
I could be wrong but I think the RFK thing was not because of better performance but to fix something that was broken but still was considered "modified"
@@Jonnyboy4848 you're close it was the way it was repaired that nascar didn't like. Rfk was allowed to repair it
I've noticed especially on the super speedway tracks only because the 23 car gets a lot of TV time that there cars seem lower than the other ones mmmmmm
Should be at least equal to what BK got if not more!
Absolutely!!!! Fine them heavily and take away as many points as can to make them not eligible for championship!!!
RFK modified their wheels. Gibbs put tape on the car. Not even close to be being comparable.
@@TheTacticalRedneckHD Not sure about that!! However, it seems what Gibbs did helped and gave a bigger advantage seeing how both cars came in at 1 and 2🤷♂️🤷♂️
Like Michael said, give an inch and they will take a mile.
Keep the beard MikeY❣️
Wait, Nascar doesn’t inspect every single car that deep after every race? This gotta be a joke 😂😂
They inspect 1st, 2nd and 3rd place.. and then a random 4th car
@@GYPSY400 top 5 go to inspection and top 2 at minimum get tare down
Those Rick Ware Wrecking cars might be cheating and we would never know
@@GYPSY400 sometimes more than 1 random
I want my money back for the 300 level tix + sitting in the end of race parking debacle + the airline tix + the hotel + the rental car + pain and suffering for going through Newark airport.
Michael move all about being disqualified
This is going to shake up the Gibbs house 🏠 , but don't be surprised if other team's tighten up their efforts 🤫
So, Psychoamlin crashes Ross Chastain, gets disqualified and loses his ride!!! Wish Psychoamlin would disappear like his ride!!!
I bet I kn who ratted the jgr out! Maybe the 1 team maybe!
Should be disqualified from playoffs as well….!!!
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Grew up in the Petty era, so it's not the same for me.
Yeah, if this was worth a DQ, then there's a whole lot of folks over the years who deserve a retroactive DQ...
@@scottl.1568 miss the creativity of different teams, manufacturers. Whole thing is bs now. All the drivers are good, regulations, rules ruin it.
At this point NASCAR needs to just build all the cars themselves on an assembly line pretty much. Haul them all to the track the day before. The teams fly in and then a draw is held to see what team gets what car. Then slap that teams number on the car and driver name over the door. The driver gets 50 practice laps to set the car up to his liking. Then the cars are locked up till the next day and they go racing. Oh wait this was already tried and it failed. Just like NASCAR is failing today.
Bozo.
@@johnhaas2523 You must be a flaming liberal as they always resort to name calling when they have nothing, and their little feelings get hurt.
Did the violation make the car faster? If it didn't give them their wins. But steep fines. Also why wasn't it caught in pre inspection with the template inspection
It doesn't matter they broke the rules in the rule book that clearly says you cannot do what they did
From what I've read, it's because the tape was under the wrap, which isn't checked in pre-race inspection because it involves pulling the wrap off the car and doesn't give the team's time to reinstall before the race
@@johnhaas2523 Andy Petrie," if you build a car by the rule book, on raceday you'll wonder where they've all gone".
@@deanosborn3464 I know that but wouldn't they have seen that in pre inspection with the template? Something doesn't seem right
did nascar inspect the other Toyotas in the field to see if it was intentional?
Nope. They said “that ship has sailed”. So in other words do what you know is illegal, just dont win.
What happened to Kyle busch and denny were disqualified I don't know
CLEAR tape... they knew they were cheating
This is why NASCAR is a waste of time for any previous serious fans
Someone tell me how these less than razor-thin pieces of tape affected the performance of these cars at least to the extent that it allowed them to win the race.
I do not believe it and this is why NASCAR is hemorrhaging viewers I've been watching NASCAR since the '70s when it first came on TV I watched the first race and I've gotten so sick of their nitpicking.
Tape gives the car more front downforce.
.012 is a lot thicker than a piece of tape
Maybe they should change the name Toyota to a American name. It’s a American car not Japanese
I don't like Hamlin, Busch or JGR but to be dq'd over some tape...? C'mon man! How much of an advantage did that give them? On the bright side, let's go Chase, 4 wins!!!
Even if it was a 0.010 second per lap advantage, it would be worth it.
JGR isn't going to risk DQ, possible fines, and maybe even getting DQ'd from the playoffs for something that doesn't make a difference.
These guys are engineers. They know exactly how to manipulate aero for max advantage. If they risked it, you are guaranteed that it was worth something on the track.
@@robertb203 yep, and rules are rules. If it wasn't an advantage then why they do it
I really think NASCAR needs to DQ them from the playoffs as the punishment for this .
If not a monetary fine in 180 points is going to do nothing to these teams to stop them from pushing further.
That is the most ridicules statement I have ever read.
That was no mistake say what you want to
KB better apply for that crossing guard job in Concord now
You asked for it, you got it TOYOTA.
Sounds dumb to me.
If I was going to cheat along these lines, I would have the wrap made in different thicknesses at different locations on the body.
JGR- BS! You know what you did on purpose! suspend Crew chief and car chief for 4 races and fine JGR.
typical nascar payed employees
Ah hah Denny and Kyle both. Couldn’t happen to a bigger set of …….. I’m tired of them both.
It was obvious
Still to many no talent track fillers. Drivers like bubba Wallace needs to either step up or get out. Fans don't care about marketable drivers. Especially one for political show.
Felicitaciones Hamlin!!!, mi corredor favorito. A seguir asi.
no gano
The two turds of NASCAR got flushed.
BS This was no mistake,Cheated and caught (NO RESPECT)
Check Bubbas car!!!
2 pieces of tape .012" thick?
Funny how this happens when Elliott just HAPPENS to be in third.
Cheating
Problem is these guys are competitive and winners without and cheats. The introduction of the new gen cars was decided on solely on giving lesser drivers an opportunity. More woke intrusion into sports.
If Nascar found tape on Chastain's car, he would have had all his wins reversed.
if there was tape it was scraped off when he "touched" Allgeier
@@user-kj7nw4zg1y good to know you have all the answers
Them cheetin yoters
Ok now I heard it all over a piece of clear tape ... There are rules and all cars. Must follow them ... Simple that .... Did that piece of tape make the car faster than the others ... That's the question ❓
Yes yall don't seem to realize that the smallest thing can affect the aero of the car
With any past car not really but with this new car it's really picky so yes it does affect it
Yes they did, first and second place is faster than the others.