W163 ML320 rear shocks & spring Bilstein upgrade
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- ML320 W163 - Upgraded the rear shocks and springs of the ML320 W163. New shocks: Bilstein heavy duty BE5-2985
New Springs: Bilstein heavy duty 36-202126
With all the added camping gear, rear bumper, spare tire etc...car is heavy. Replacing the rear shock and spring made sense. In this video I show you how I replaced the pair in the back.
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I pull a trailer behind my ML400 I am already 1´´ lower in the back then the front with the empty car. Time to replace the rear suspension, but not an easy task. I am looking for something which can hold much more weight, had a look at adjustable ones with pneumatics, but lots of people say they are not very reliable, lots of problems, on top of that I will load more then usual.
There are several kits with pneumatic adjustment, but none works for Mercedes ML´s. If some of you figured something let me know.
Hi Ben, please reach out to sales@hst.global with your inquiry. He can assist you. Thanks
I‘m guessing those spacers are Polyurethane? How are they holding up? Would you recommend going with steel ones or ist PU fine so far? Great Video, my W163 has Similar mods and i am looking forward to doing much more.
The owner used polyurethane on the left side and metal on the right side since the metal is half inch and the polyurethane is 1 in. For some reason the left and the right were different and the only way to make it work is to use different sizes. They have been holding up very well.
What made the biggest difference is using the Eibach 800 lbs springs. We have not made the video for this upgrade yet. Though the 750 lbs springs would work too. However, the bolt slots need to be elongated to be able to correct the camber.
@@offgridnomads377 thanks for letting me know! I'm also going with a combination of stiffer springs (generic HD, cheapest I could find) and PU spacers. Bolt slots should be just long enough since I am only going with 20 mm.
Can you explain the difference between the Bilsteins 3 painted square and the 4 painted squares? I did my 2003 ML350 2 years ago using Bilstein 3 painted squares and it seems fine. Not easy getting the shocks disconnected on top on a rusty NY vehicle. After doing brake lines,fuel lines and 4 shocks 2 years ago it hasn't cost a dime. Pretty good for a 173,000 mile outside kept NY winter driven vehicle. I am 64 years old this vehicle has been my best vehicle so far and fixing it myself without a lift is possible for most things. The things I had to replace were not too difficult. A not too expensive scanner will point you in the right direction for most things. Stable at 100mph and better off road than given credit for,and fixable when it does break is what makes it a good machine. Nice informative video.
The 4 square springs are just a tad stronger than the 3 square springs. I've noticed the ride height has settled a bit since doing this project so the search is for an even stronger spring without killing the comfort.
where do I get the 3 mark springs or whats the part number for the springs?
Hi MyMathex, please email sales@hst.global. They can help you with the part number.
Great video. Thanks for sharing and providing detailed information. Appreciate your tips and techniques. working to upgrade my ML in the next few weeks. Also love this first gen ML as they are very classy.
Parev Gérald. Thank you for the kind words. Nareg my friend who is the owner, will make more of these soon. Best.
Great video, Thank you for sharing. I am in the process of lifting my ML500! Building front bumper will be next. I really like your custom bumpers especially the front. Can you upload some photos or videos about bumpers built? Big thank you, and keep up the good work :)
How'd that alignment go? I had a crazy amount of negative camber with 30mm spacer from Tema and OEM replacement struts. I'm not sure if they preloaded the upper control arms before setting down. I'm assuming this can happen in the front too after torsion bar lift?
@@SenorReso Yes it can happen on the fronts too. Currently have -1.5 camber on the fronts. One of these days may want to elongate the adjustment slots to get a bit less negative camber.
I want to do exactly what you did to you ml500 to mine but I can find those shocks can you help
Thank you for the inquiry. Please contact sales@hst.global they will help you with getting the parts and kits for the ML project.
Hi, thank you for nice details. Well done buddy
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EXCELLENT VIDEOS, WHAT IS THE MEASUREMENT, BRAND OR CODE OF REAR SHOCK ABSORBERS THAT MAKES THE MERCEDES BENZ ML 320?
Hi Saul, it's Bilstein 24-029858
cost?
Уши под верхний рычаг надо протачивать, колеса домиком стоят, развал не сделаешь нормальный, неужели в штатах не знают что такое сход развал 🤦♂️
What tire size are you using?
@@RichardVac hello Richard these are 285 70 17
🦖 Nice 👌🏻
Thanks for taking the time to show this.
You welcome John
Awesome! Can you provide a link for the strut spacer?
GRAN VIDEO! Great! Thanks!!!
Very helpful tips here, thank you!
Did you compress the coils yourself or had a shop do it? I just got a pair of rear B6s and I need to swap the coils from the original struts. I was told that these coils are very difficult and dangerous to compress with the standard hand crank compressors. Also I noticed that the B6s have what looks like 1/16 inch thick ring where the bottom spring plate sits on. Does that thin ring really support all that coil force? Seems crazy to me as the original struts has the bottom spring plate welded to the strut assembly. Can you confirm this?
For safety I used a shop spring compressor, not the $35 DIY units. They are not difficult to compress but you need the right tool. The ring is fine. It'll stay in place. In the event that something happens, the plate will go down a couple inches to the bottom of the shock where there are weld marks that will hold it in place.
I worked with plain wrenches on my ML430 suspension before, but you should really add ratcheting wrenches to your christmas list, it's a day and night difference.
We do :)
Thank you for that video. I did one month ago more or less the same, with Profender shock absorbers. I thought my car wasn't going to lift so much but now is so high. I hope the joins and the transmission will handle it well. Thank youuuuuu
What specific parts he used with Profender?
Probably want to preload the suspension to near normal stance before torquing the upper control arm bushings.
Whenever you lift this car it’s important to bring out the upper arms all the way to the end of the adjustment slots. Depending on the height, you’ll end up with slightly positive camber or just about right. The car needs to get aligned anyway. If you load the car and then torque the nuts, you’ll push the arms into the other end of the adjustment slot and end up with something like 5 degrees of negative camber. This is one of the reasons that a lot of so-called techs never were able to align this car properly. The important place to preload is on the lower bushings.
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing. I'll be referring to this in the future.
Thank you John. We will be adding more ML mods and to's as well.
You didn't show tightening the nut on the bottom of the strut (the ball joint). What's the torque on that?
It's 65 lb-ft but hard to get a torque wrench there so you may need to do it by feel. Get it tight by hand with a large spanner and it should be fine.
Great video, thanks for uploading.
Our pleasure!
Must be nice having tools & a shop
@@highlightedcomment The owner used his home garage.
How does it ride? Any issues with vibration? I would like to add 1 1/2 " SPACERS TOO, please advise if I should with out any other modifications, will this ware more the drive shafts? Please advice thx
Ride is excellent. We have no vibrations and my expedition buddies using mostly Jeeps are always envious of how comfortable the ride is whenver they use this car. The axle shafts are fine because they are not at steep angles. Two years of hard use and still zero problems. That's a testament to how strong the car is actually.
Thanks! For the info, I already installed them with new struts, the ride much improved..
I tried to replace them my self, but the nuts on top ware rusted out and had to take it to a shop, they charged me $440 to replace them, the mechanic had to cut them out with fire
How's the bilstein b6 yellow shocks doing compare to the regular bilstein b4 ? Any better damping?
Never had B4 but my guess is given all the extra weight it's probably good to use it.
@@offgridnomads377 does it make the ride rough using these yellow shocks?
I also wonder that because i put brand new sachs shocks but ride is still soft and bounces on the back, on the front i put hummer kyb monomax and great but rear is soft
Do you still have the 3 mark springs? I just bought B6’s for my 320, looking for springs
Yes we have, thanks
Please DM me if ur interested. Thanks.
@@offgridnomads377 sent you a DM on IG thanks!
How did you take off the upper nuts, with so little space
We used this tool www.harborfreight.com/metric-flex-head-combination-ratcheting-wrench-set-5-pc-60592.html
@@offgridnomads377 Thank you, I already have the 1.5 " spacers but I was afraid to try to get the nuts out of the top with so little space to work with
Привет из России, 285/70/17 не трут передние арки?
Немного делает на передних
@@offgridnomads377 thanks you
Those are amg calipers?
Yes they are.
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Any improvement in the braking with those? Was it a direct fit ? I know the front require the bigger knuckle
@@dcomputers Replaced them with AMG knuckles. Needed both front and rear. Brakes are stronger but then again the car weighs a lot more.
@@offgridnomads377 you also need the bigger rims. I was looking to upgrade to the amg calipers but I'm still thinking.
OEM shocks in the front?
No they are custom Bilstein 5165 remote reservoir shocks.
@@offgridnomads377anything special to make them work?
@@CLVannoy no just installation.
@@offgridnomads377 can you let us know where you got them from please mine are for a f150 and the stem is bigger then the stock shocks so none of the metal washers or rubbers for the top will switch over I’ll have to drill them all out to size to make the one I got work thank you in advance !!
@@CLVannoy I have access to washers and buffers which made it work. Possible your mechanic if he has any parts laying around will make it work too. It was kinda "frankensteining" but no drilling cutting. Just whatever I had in my garage which was a direct fit. But I heard Bilstein also sells individual pieces which may work for you. If u give their CS a call. But to be honest, you can find pieces which may work for you.