Damon was right on two accounts that episode, in taking otto’s head right there and not giving into a piece of paper bs and marching staright to kings landing with all their dragons.cause they loose so many of their kin n dragons and because when they eventually do take it, jason will have emptied the treasuries and sent them to greens
Rhaenyra been knew Otto was plotting against her that shit shouldn’t have even been a surprise I would have taken him hostage and burnt the rest of them bitches with syrax
@@TheSquad4life lol if you Daemon for his feats on the battle field I get that but let’s not act like he’s not impatiently vying for the throne and has made bunch of bone head decisions that drove him further away from it
Saddest part of this whole story is Rhaenyra and Aegon really didn’t want any of this to happen. Aegon most of all. In the book he tells Alicent why would I take my sisters throne from her? and that she was chosen as heir by their Father not him and that he doesn’t want the throne.
@@matthewriley7826Exactly. He didn't want it. Unless he's irritationally drunk off of his invisible power, I doubt we'd see a feast thrown after Aemond returns home. He's not that stupid nor that sadistic. I just don't buy it.
@@SubzZer0apparently the books are based off the maesters perspective of events. Thus the actual events that transpired in the GOT universe are the genuine historical events that actually happened. I’m not saying this is fact just giving you an answer
I love how Dameon stands there with that look of absolute disdain towards Otto as Queen Rhanerya descends upon them with her dragon. A smooth little entrance
What this show does so well is “show” and not “tell”. Gosh they execute cuts from one’s facial expression to another so well, even lingering on a character’s expression whilst another is talking. Award winning production!
What is it with Otto sailing to Dragonstone to parley with his notorious archenemy, the "Rogue Prince", where Daemon has all the advantage in arms and dragons?!?! Seriously, does this man have a death wish lol
@@elwinjohnson4004 Not true. Even though tensions and feelings were high and despite Daemons (smart) planning for the really possibility of a coming war negotiations were still very much on the table at this point. I don’t mean to sound like you don’t already know this but war is a very real, terrible, bloody, dark thing that comes at a terrible cost. There are no real winners. Everyone loses in some way. Alicent and Rhaenyra are attempting to avoid war because they’re acutely aware of this. This is why when people/nations do go to war theres some huge motivator like money, power, justice, etc. This is what the men are concerned with at present and the reason why they *SPOILERS* don’t end up taking negotiations off the table and actually going to war until Lucerys is killer by Aemond.
He wants war. Otto is doing it all for his family name. He needs daemon dead because he knows daemon will not let the iron throne go to the greens. He was willing to die the first time they confronted each other at dragon stone and something tells me he wants the same here. None of the men there with him actually want to this mission.
Ngl Otto was spittin facts for a minute... "Aegon Targaryen sits the Iron Throne. He wears the conquerer's crown, weilds the conquerer's sword, has the conquerer's name... Every symbol of legitimacy belongs to him" 😆😆😆 Said it with crazy conviction 😭
I initially doubted Matt Smith's casting as Daemon, I thought he wasn't good looking enough for such an attractive character. I was absolutely, terribly wrong....I was shown how capturing the rouge prince's beauty wasn't half as important as capturing Daemon's charm was, he was ALWAYS this character who would do vile evil things and yet no one(audience) could get enough of him and no matter how good looking another actor could have been if this charm of Daemon's wasn't captured, the entire show's success could have looked wayy different.
That's not to mention that beauty is very subjective, but, like, Matt is super hot as Daemon. I don't think much of the man outside of his roles; he seems charming and charismatic in interviews but, like, as Daemon? With the long hair and tight wardrobe? He absolute kills it. He's a gorgeous, fuckable princeling imo
@@BlackDiamond2718 I’ve not read the books but I’ve heard about their final showdown. If this show retains the quality of S1 I *cannot* wait to physically watch that shit happen lmao
If I was Rhaenyra after Otto said his words. “Aegon only has Aegon the Conqueror’s crown and sword because you ensured it. Any symbol of legitimacy is because you, the leech you are ensured he would to pass off as next to the throne. But no throne or crown makes him so. My father, Viserys named me as his heir to the Iron Throne. And if that is not enough, Viserys continues to have Luke and Jace as the heirs to Driftmark and Iron Throne in front of the whole court. You saw it with your own eyes. His mind never changed over the years even long after Aegon was born. Daemon, take Otto’s head then send it back to Alicent Hightower as a warning that we are coming for her and for my brothers. This will end in Fire & Blood.” If they had acted right then, they could have surprised attack Vhagar by Syrax then Caraxes and Meleys jumping in the middle of the battle. Vhagar never would have been able to take all three of them on if jumped attack her. And if that was not enough, set loose the Bronzefury onto Vhagar without a rider as all three of them attacked. When Vhagar is out of the way, the Greens would never stand a chance. It would be sad to put down Vhagar however Aemond would do what we all know him to do in season 1/2. Aegon would have attempted to attack on Sunfrye but it would end badly. Helena wouldn’t fly on Dreamfrye because of her child’s lives. Take Aegon’s head and let it be the end of it. As for Helena’s children, wed their daughter to one of Rhaenyra & Daemon’s son and be done with it. Then keep Alicent as a permanent prisoned guest to ensure she does not reach the Hightowers for an uprise. Remove Larrys Strong from all power so he cannot muster up any army for the Greens. And force all the other houses along with those on the council to publicly declare for Rhaenyra as Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, chosen heir by King Viserys the Peaceful with all of their dragons present. If any refused, they would be sent to the Wall, striped of all their lands and titles to do anything more. Thanks for uploading.
If you are going to rebel, freaking rebel. You already threw down the gauntlet. Oh no! Diplomacy! After the Green's terms were basically, let me take your two sons hostages is hilarious
It’s wild how much Otto gets shit on by the fan base when he’s basically just doing what any other Lord of Westeros would do. Yeah he is ambitious and cunning, but unlike someone like Littlefinger he doesn’t want bloodshed and chaos. Otto is a hell of a lot less bloodthirsty than Daemon.
Otto: "naming a woman heir will divide the realm" also Otto: i`ll just shove my daughter into king's arms hoping she`ll birth a son and starting a fkin civil war only because i want some power
@@jaxzor Well what would you expect from a man that served as hand of the king for like 40 years? Less ambitious? Y'all forget that he was hand of the king to Jahaerys I too. To me is crazy how Otto gets hated on massively but Tywin gets praises for being essentially a character that is similar to Otto in many regards.
Just been watching the BBC Hollow Crown’s again. I love how HOTD season 1 was very Similar thematically to Henry VI Part one. Then you get GRRM and HBO to add the dragons and turn everything up to 11. Can’t wait for Season 2
I refuse to believe that the Greens even seriously considered trying to persuade the Starks to support them, given House Stark's well-earned reputation for honouring oaths.
They did reasonably expect support from the Tullies, since old Lord Tully was adamant that males always take precedence over females in the succession, and was supportive of the Greens (which is why Otto lists him as one of their allies during the Green Council). However he was old and dying and his successor (Oscar Tully in the show) sided with the Blacks
Knowing what happens anyways…….it would have been better for team black to strike here. Get rid of Otto and Crispen this early would have given them an advantage. Daemon was right.
Even if I were to go to a therapist, you have my history and you would use it to establish my identity based on your theories and everything you did to fit your actions. This is something I have to do on my own, always has been.
Viserys should have just listened when Otto told him to have Rhaenyra betrothed to Aegon all those years. She would have slapped the goofy out that boy long ago. That aside, I think the Greens were going for a Jahaerys/Rhaena suggestion here. Though Jahaerys held the Iron Throne, Rhaena was considered a Queen in her own right, but over Dragonstone.
The North, the Vale, most of the Crownlands and the Riverlands all declared for Rhaenyra. When push came to shove, more chose to honour their oaths than break them. So much for "stale oaths", eh, Otto?
@@stephenjenkins7971 Not entirely. Relying on them from everyone is foolish, but oaths are especially important in a feudal setting such as Westeros. I feel that Otto made a grave mistake underestimating that; Aegon's reign being founded on the breaking of sworn oaths to another doesn't send a good message. After all, if they can break that oath then what's keeping them from breaking these new ones along the line?
@@samalvey8168 They are, when you make them. But there are other ancient rules that are just as important; such as male primogeniture amongst the Houses that follow Andal tradition. If oaths were everything, then nobody would ever rebel against the Targaryens, and that's just not true. Your logic for breaking oaths can be applied with overthrowing Andal tradition that Viserys and Rhaenyra advocated. This in addition for allowing bastards to be considered legitimate. Even if Rhaenyra won, there would be another civil war the second she's gone with people contesting Jace's heir status. Rhaenyra primed the realm for 2 civil wars; one in her ascension, and one in her death.
I do not understand the writing in this scene, very dumb. Otto wanted Rhaenyra killed by surprise, and here she stupidly walks to him multiple times and he does nothing. Yes, it will start a war but he would get the same result by killing her in her sleep as a surprise. Why back off now? And actually daemon is there as well so if Otto is lucky enough to kill him as well then there's not much left on the blacks side. Greens will win the war (if any) very easily. Rhaenyra's throne is usurped and there is a very good possibility that this is an assassination party. Infact Rhaenys also informed her "greens are coming for you". Yet she stupidly walks through them. Wtf, who would be stupid enough in such situation. This is shit writing. Then Rhaenyra has guards standing right there behind Daemon instead of forming a protective detail around their queen, when she walks to Otto, what, why? Yes they are city watch guards loyal to Daemon, but Rhaenyra is also there queen and again very possible that Otto has brought an assassination party with him. The fuck can they do standing behind Daemon if Otto just grabbed Rhaenyra and pushed her towards his guards and gave the order to kill her. Again this is shit writing. Then one of the kindsguard with Otto slightly unsheathes his sword. What the fuck are writers trying to convey here? Is that a rogue guard? Is otto planning to kill Rhaenyra here. If so, why did he not go through with it? He gave the order to the Lord Commander of Kingsguard before and now that she's in his grasp he just stands there. Then there's the clear sound of sword being drawn out. Why did the other side not hear it and react. If they are not supposed to hear it then why add that sound in the first place, smh. I know I'm looking too much into it, but scenes like this make me think of utter incompetence on writers part. There's so many ways in which this scene would have been better explained to the audience.
You slow my man. This was only a meeting to offer aegon’s terms,not an assassination attempt. If Otto or his men tried anything they would be fried right there and then. Did your “looking too much into it” eyes failed to see Rheanyra’s f******g dragon standing right behind them?
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I came here for Daemon's "the fuck is this?" gets me everytime
Same tbh
Its like a modern thug went to westeros for one line. Deamon is so gangster
Haha me too. Followed by “shoved in his mouth along with his withered cock!”
Damon was right on two accounts that episode, in taking otto’s head right there and not giving into a piece of paper bs and marching staright to kings landing with all their dragons.cause they loose so many of their kin n dragons and because when they eventually do take it, jason will have emptied the treasuries and sent them to greens
Where did he say this lol
I’m with Daemon “let’s end this mumus farce” lol
Otto is technically the whole reason for the war
@@randomstuff4728 there was nothing to discuss at this point time to shed blood
@@elwinjohnson4004 Daemon was ready either way, but I guess it was Aemond's fault really
Rhaenyra been knew Otto was plotting against her that shit shouldn’t have even been a surprise I would have taken him hostage and burnt the rest of them bitches with syrax
@@elwinjohnson4004 Perhaps but that with really get the war going she had hope for a peaceful outcome
"Lets End this Mummers Farce" Daemon just had to get Otto Back for when he came looking for him earlier in the season. haha savage line!
But u can argue this encouter ended worse for daemon. He was so pissed the queen didn't let him behead otto.
@@javyalmo1895 he's always loyal to his family
2:09 Daemon had not a single fuck left to give and I was loving it.
Indeed
Best line ever!!!!! I replay it in my mind everyday
One thing is certain, no matter who seems right, Daemon is always correct.
Hahah True
How so, he stole a dragon egg that was designated to an infants who passed away
@@Ivanlois383wrong scene bud
@@Ivanlois383 ok and so ?
@@TheSquad4life lol if you Daemon for his feats on the battle field I get that but let’s not act like he’s not impatiently vying for the throne and has made bunch of bone head decisions that drove him further away from it
Saddest part of this whole story is Rhaenyra and Aegon really didn’t want any of this to happen. Aegon most of all. In the book he tells Alicent why would I take my sisters throne from her? and that she was chosen as heir by their Father not him and that he doesn’t want the throne.
And the show makes it clear he doesn’t want to rule either, not for the same reason but because he knows he’d be a disaster.
@abhiprakash8435u think it was written based on true story?
@@matthewriley7826Exactly. He didn't want it. Unless he's irritationally drunk off of his invisible power, I doubt we'd see a feast thrown after Aemond returns home. He's not that stupid nor that sadistic. I just don't buy it.
grandpa makes the call..the same with the lannisters in game of thrones grandpa makes the call
@@SubzZer0apparently the books are based off the maesters perspective of events. Thus the actual events that transpired in the GOT universe are the genuine historical events that actually happened. I’m not saying this is fact just giving you an answer
Matt smith was born to play the rogue prince 🔥💯🐉
Haha so true
True had serious doubts when he was cast but he’s killed the role!
Matt Smith didn't play around in time and space in a blue box for thousands of years just to be called a rouge prince.
No, king consort !
"The fuck is this?"
-Rogue Prince
Best line in the show hands down
I love how Dameon stands there with that look of absolute disdain towards Otto as Queen Rhanerya descends upon them with her dragon. A smooth little entrance
You prancing, traitorous, peon, how dare you 0:18?
That deadly look. Scary. Otto should stop showing up at Dragonstone LOL
What this show does so well is “show” and not “tell”. Gosh they execute cuts from one’s facial expression to another so well, even lingering on a character’s expression whilst another is talking. Award winning production!
So true, very talented actors 🤗
real shit man, if someone doesnt have ALL the context they are missing sooooo much with the characters’ facial expressions alone
Can’t say the same for season 2 sadly
“I would rather feed my sons to the dragon than carrying cups and shields for your drunk king “, All of his thinking about the dragons 🤦🏼♀️
He is a savage
@dannytv sorry
Fun fact: eventually both Aegon and Viserys (his sons) will become kings
You're missing the most important word in that sentence. 😂
Syrax was ready to kill too 😂😂
Anything for the queen 👑
Lets go!!! Fire and Blood baby!
Listen to the metallic clanging when Rhaenyra says no - Syrax had the flames ready.
right lol he was hyped up
Bout to catch a body... Or 5 🤣
A touching moment. 03:45
Daemon: and I took that personally.
you can feel Daemon's blood boiling, o my god, he was so ready to slice these men to pieces...
all main actors are so damn good in this show.
True
4:10 I freaking love this line
best line.
daemon gives no fucks, and is not scared of a fight, whenever, with whoever.
hell, he went to capture Harrenhall....BY HIMSELF
3:12 Watch Daemon looking at the pin be flung over the bridge 💀😂
Haha nice catch
"let's end this mummer's farce!"
Best line in the series...
What is it with Otto sailing to Dragonstone to parley with his notorious archenemy, the "Rogue Prince", where Daemon has all the advantage in arms and dragons?!?! Seriously, does this man have a death wish lol
He was confident rhaenyra wouldn’t shed blood first and by golly he was right I understood why she held her peace but negotiations were out the window
@@elwinjohnson4004 Not true. Even though tensions and feelings were high and despite Daemons (smart) planning for the really possibility of a coming war negotiations were still very much on the table at this point. I don’t mean to sound like you don’t already know this but war is a very real, terrible, bloody, dark thing that comes at a terrible cost. There are no real winners. Everyone loses in some way. Alicent and Rhaenyra are attempting to avoid war because they’re acutely aware of this. This is why when people/nations do go to war theres some huge motivator like money, power, justice, etc. This is what the men are concerned with at present and the reason why they *SPOILERS* don’t end up taking negotiations off the table and actually going to war until Lucerys is killer by Aemond.
@@miaallen6161that makes sense brother
He wants war. Otto is doing it all for his family name. He needs daemon dead because he knows daemon will not let the iron throne go to the greens. He was willing to die the first time they confronted each other at dragon stone and something tells me he wants the same here. None of the men there with him actually want to this mission.
he got steel balls thats why
Ngl Otto was spittin facts for a minute...
"Aegon Targaryen sits the Iron Throne. He wears the conquerer's crown, weilds the conquerer's sword, has the conquerer's name... Every symbol of legitimacy belongs to him" 😆😆😆
Said it with crazy conviction 😭
You're right that was a great scene
Yes because thats how he manufactured it.
2:20 Wields the conqueror’s sword, etc.
3:37 Fuck is this?
4:10 Lets end this mummer’s farce!
I initially doubted Matt Smith's casting as Daemon, I thought he wasn't good looking enough for such an attractive character.
I was absolutely, terribly wrong....I was shown how capturing the rouge prince's beauty wasn't half as important as capturing Daemon's charm was, he was ALWAYS this character who would do vile evil things and yet no one(audience) could get enough of him and no matter how good looking another actor could have been if this charm of Daemon's wasn't captured, the entire show's success could have looked wayy different.
True I also wasn't expecting such great acting from Matt Smith but he proved me wrong
Get a life
Fucking A feed you to the dragons
That's not to mention that beauty is very subjective, but, like, Matt is super hot as Daemon. I don't think much of the man outside of his roles; he seems charming and charismatic in interviews but, like, as Daemon? With the long hair and tight wardrobe? He absolute kills it. He's a gorgeous, fuckable princeling imo
I love how Otto ignores Daemon's childish provocations to deliver his message. This man has class !
2:09 - My thoughts exactly, Daemon!
3:16 Daemon is like “hey I wanted that” when Reyny throw’s away the hand sigil
S2 will mostly be Daemon & Aemond having a swag-off to see who has the toughest DRiP in Westeros...
And he will have the final say and the final eye.
@@BlackDiamond2718 I’ve not read the books but I’ve heard about their final showdown. If this show retains the quality of S1 I *cannot* wait to physically watch that shit happen lmao
ser crispon was not present at this time. Helping the queen dowager with her “warging” abilities
We offer you what you already have and have your legittimate sons to be hostage, how generous is that!
If I was Rhaenyra after Otto said his words. “Aegon only has Aegon the Conqueror’s crown and sword because you ensured it. Any symbol of legitimacy is because you, the leech you are ensured he would to pass off as next to the throne. But no throne or crown makes him so. My father, Viserys named me as his heir to the Iron Throne. And if that is not enough, Viserys continues to have Luke and Jace as the heirs to Driftmark and Iron Throne in front of the whole court. You saw it with your own eyes. His mind never changed over the years even long after Aegon was born. Daemon, take Otto’s head then send it back to Alicent Hightower as a warning that we are coming for her and for my brothers. This will end in Fire & Blood.”
If they had acted right then, they could have surprised attack Vhagar by Syrax then Caraxes and Meleys jumping in the middle of the battle. Vhagar never would have been able to take all three of them on if jumped attack her. And if that was not enough, set loose the Bronzefury onto Vhagar without a rider as all three of them attacked. When Vhagar is out of the way, the Greens would never stand a chance. It would be sad to put down Vhagar however Aemond would do what we all know him to do in season 1/2.
Aegon would have attempted to attack on Sunfrye but it would end badly. Helena wouldn’t fly on Dreamfrye because of her child’s lives. Take Aegon’s head and let it be the end of it.
As for Helena’s children, wed their daughter to one of Rhaenyra & Daemon’s son and be done with it. Then keep Alicent as a permanent prisoned guest to ensure she does not reach the Hightowers for an uprise. Remove Larrys Strong from all power so he cannot muster up any army for the Greens. And force all the other houses along with those on the council to publicly declare for Rhaenyra as Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, chosen heir by King Viserys the Peaceful with all of their dragons present. If any refused, they would be sent to the Wall, striped of all their lands and titles to do anything more.
Thanks for uploading.
He's only using the vocabulary Otto used with him in years past.
Otto said it best, the fact that Daemon has to use his words shows Daemon understands that Otto is a worthy opponent.
Daemon itching for a fight haha!
Season 2 will reportedly be out by the end of next year
Yes Daemon wants blood
@@erdemmehmed780 Yes, that's what I heard as well
Daemon saying “fuck is this” always makes me chuckle
That cup bearer “title” is so insulting as it is. Just to pretend anybody would accept that willingly it is an insult
No wonder Daemon lost his temper
I’ve never seen Daemon itching to kill someone more than otto lmao
If you are going to rebel, freaking rebel. You already threw down the gauntlet. Oh no! Diplomacy! After the Green's terms were basically, let me take your two sons hostages is hilarious
Fair play to Otto he faced down Daemon twice with no dragon of his own.
Team Black all the way!
3:34 best part ever!!!!
Bring forth the sentimental torn page Grand Maester, and cue the music.
Otto really was wise, handsome….. strong
in this scene
It’s wild how much Otto gets shit on by the fan base when he’s basically just doing what any other Lord of Westeros would do. Yeah he is ambitious and cunning, but unlike someone like Littlefinger he doesn’t want bloodshed and chaos. Otto is a hell of a lot less bloodthirsty than Daemon.
@@LodyDudeOtto can be just as bad as Daemon. He killed every lord and lady who pledged to Rhaenyra first chance he got.
Otto is one of my favourite characters...massively underrated
Otto: Im trying to replace and render excinct your line in favor of mine shhhhh.
Otto: "naming a woman heir will divide the realm"
also Otto: i`ll just shove my daughter into king's arms hoping she`ll birth a son and starting a fkin civil war only because i want some power
@@jaxzor Well what would you expect from a man that served as hand of the king for like 40 years? Less ambitious? Y'all forget that he was hand of the king to Jahaerys I too. To me is crazy how Otto gets hated on massively but Tywin gets praises for being essentially a character that is similar to Otto in many regards.
Best line in the show
Otto admits they usurped the throne
Just been watching the BBC Hollow Crown’s again. I love how HOTD season 1 was very Similar thematically to Henry VI Part one. Then you get GRRM and HBO to add the dragons and turn everything up to 11. Can’t wait for Season 2
God I wish this fight would have broken out right here.
Stark? Tully? 😂😂😂this guy is hilarious. Unfortunately Baratheon didn’t it seems
I refuse to believe that the Greens even seriously considered trying to persuade the Starks to support them, given House Stark's well-earned reputation for honouring oaths.
They did reasonably expect support from the Tullies, since old Lord Tully was adamant that males always take precedence over females in the succession, and was supportive of the Greens (which is why Otto lists him as one of their allies during the Green Council). However he was old and dying and his successor (Oscar Tully in the show) sided with the Blacks
Rhanerya had a chance to fry Otto here, it's just that it's scripted😅
Every movie and tv show ever made is scripted. 😂😂😂
Deamon and otto a match made in 7 hells
Daemon the Great !!!!!!
Knowing what happens anyways…….it would have been better for team black to strike here. Get rid of Otto and Crispen this early would have given them an advantage. Daemon was right.
Was Criston there?
Seems to the faux green queen only seems to remember their love for each when it suits her
Loved the look and feel of dragon stone in this scene, beautiful
3:36 Daemon 😂
Rhaenyra: Ser Alliser Thorne!
Ser Alliser Thorne: YE FOOKIN TREEEEHTA!
Daemon was ready to strike here , he was stopped...
I didn't think I'd meet a GoT character who I'd hate even more than Littlefinger but here's Otto Hightower :P
Should’ve just let daemon finish the job
True
Agree🎉 one dracarys
Even if I were to go to a therapist, you have my history and you would use it to establish my identity based on your theories and everything you did to fit your actions. This is something I have to do on my own, always has been.
Some things don't fit psychodynamic theory (despite you pushing it)
2:22
Viserys should have just listened when Otto told him to have Rhaenyra betrothed to Aegon all those years. She would have slapped the goofy out that boy long ago.
That aside, I think the Greens were going for a Jahaerys/Rhaena suggestion here. Though Jahaerys held the Iron Throne, Rhaena was considered a Queen in her own right, but over Dragonstone.
how the *fuck* did that crown stay on her head? lmao
That moment of mercy was foolish on Rhaenyra's part, much like her father Viserys she lacks the will to do what is necessary. Waits too long to act.
Dameon is that dude
The North, the Vale, most of the Crownlands and the Riverlands all declared for Rhaenyra. When push came to shove, more chose to honour their oaths than break them. So much for "stale oaths", eh, Otto?
They are stale. A large swath or the Seven Kingdoms didn't follow those stale oaths, and Rhaenyea would not meet a kind end. Of course, few did 😅
@@stephenjenkins7971 But more chose to follow than break.
@@samalvey8168 True. Still, the point remains that depending on such oaths is foolishness.
@@stephenjenkins7971 Not entirely. Relying on them from everyone is foolish, but oaths are especially important in a feudal setting such as Westeros. I feel that Otto made a grave mistake underestimating that; Aegon's reign being founded on the breaking of sworn oaths to another doesn't send a good message. After all, if they can break that oath then what's keeping them from breaking these new ones along the line?
@@samalvey8168 They are, when you make them. But there are other ancient rules that are just as important; such as male primogeniture amongst the Houses that follow Andal tradition. If oaths were everything, then nobody would ever rebel against the Targaryens, and that's just not true.
Your logic for breaking oaths can be applied with overthrowing Andal tradition that Viserys and Rhaenyra advocated. This in addition for allowing bastards to be considered legitimate. Even if Rhaenyra won, there would be another civil war the second she's gone with people contesting Jace's heir status.
Rhaenyra primed the realm for 2 civil wars; one in her ascension, and one in her death.
She dragon was ready to finish it
All dragons are.
This is the scene of scenes
Nts 2:09 3:13 3:35
If Mother of Dragons was the Crown Princess, there would be no season 2. Weak! Weak! Weak!
The blacks wasted SO many EASY chances to decapitate the greens... 🤦🏾♂️
4:14
What episode is this?
Nah, I wouldve burnt Otto to a crisp for destroying the Targs up until this point just because he wanted his seed to sit on the Iron throne.
Daemon should have arrest all of them right there.
Otto the wise vs prince Daemon the fierce ❤
This scene was so hard. Season 2 bombing so hard hurts 😢
@@guigly017 did season 2 bomb tho
@@randomstuff4728yes
Stark did not swore to eagon🎉
Mistake..a heavy one😅
I do not understand the writing in this scene, very dumb.
Otto wanted Rhaenyra killed by surprise, and here she stupidly walks to him multiple times and he does nothing. Yes, it will start a war but he would get the same result by killing her in her sleep as a surprise. Why back off now?
And actually daemon is there as well so if Otto is lucky enough to kill him as well then there's not much left on the blacks side. Greens will win the war (if any) very easily.
Rhaenyra's throne is usurped and there is a very good possibility that this is an assassination party. Infact Rhaenys also informed her "greens are coming for you". Yet she stupidly walks through them. Wtf, who would be stupid enough in such situation. This is shit writing.
Then Rhaenyra has guards standing right there behind Daemon instead of forming a protective detail around their queen, when she walks to Otto, what, why?
Yes they are city watch guards loyal to Daemon, but Rhaenyra is also there queen and again very possible that Otto has brought an assassination party with him. The fuck can they do standing behind Daemon if Otto just grabbed Rhaenyra and pushed her towards his guards and gave the order to kill her. Again this is shit writing.
Then one of the kindsguard with Otto slightly unsheathes his sword. What the fuck are writers trying to convey here?
Is that a rogue guard?
Is otto planning to kill Rhaenyra here. If so, why did he not go through with it? He gave the order to the Lord Commander of Kingsguard before and now that she's in his grasp he just stands there.
Then there's the clear sound of sword being drawn out. Why did the other side not hear it and react. If they are not supposed to hear it then why add that sound in the first place, smh.
I know I'm looking too much into it, but scenes like this make me think of utter incompetence on writers part. There's so many ways in which this scene would have been better explained to the audience.
You slow my man. This was only a meeting to offer aegon’s terms,not an assassination attempt. If Otto or his men tried anything they would be fried right there and then. Did your “looking too much into it” eyes failed to see Rheanyra’s f******g dragon standing right behind them?
Otto is hilarious to me
0tto , not again😂
Actually otto was right . Her father dented her legitimacy they day he had a son with alicent.
Honestly deamon should be king. Rayner is to weak
She was working hard to prevent a war, whereas Daemon was itching for it, she’s the better one to have the throne.
Absolutely not🤦♀️ Haven't you watched the show or read the books? Daemon is certainly not fit for a king.
Rhaenyra^
The dragons are BORING and why do they always have enter the scene when things get interesting it's annoying
They create more tension and move the plot forward usually
Your life is boring
Bro what-
boring probably because there are so many of them during that time. Unlike dany's time wherein she's the only one who has one