What's My Line? - Willie Mays; Jack Paar [panel] (Jul 11, 1954)
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- MYSTERY GUEST: Willie Mays
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Jack Paar, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
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RIP Willie Mays. Heard of the news today while watching MLB on the tv, and had to come to watch this. He was one of the last legends left.
I'm here for the same reason. R.I.P. Say Hey kid
@@subwaygoddess1 Me Too!
Mays died a week ago, on June 18th. I didn't get the news about it, and showed up here unsure about how he was doing. I saw him in a Giants baseball game way back in 1065; at that time, he was one of my heroes.
Yes, he was one of the last true legends.
@garymorris1856 I knew someone who met Willie when Willie was a NY Giant. My friend worked at the Polo Grounds, and he and Willie started talking one day. Willie always looked for my friend after the games to say hi. When the Giants moved to San Francisco, Willie and my friend wrote letters to each other.
I never saw Arlene yoink her blindfold off so fast with no regard for her perfectly coiffed locks for any other guest. 😅
I love how genuinely thrilled Arlene is about seeing Willie Mays!
I noticed that too. She was so gracious.
I don’t understand why when there was a little time left for the last contestant John Charles Daly still had the panelists guess what they thought the contestant did for a living.
Arlene was smart that she was thinking of mothballs in that last segment.
What baseball fans dont realize is that, even with the popularity of the Dodgers, the NY Giants were the favorites of the Manhattan glitterati
Me 2 ❤
Willie was and always will be the greatest baseball player of all time. Their will never be another like him.
If you don’t count Mickey Mantle
Arlene knew greatness when she saw it and Willie Mays, who will turn 90 on May the 6th of 2021, was the greatest all around talent that baseball has ever seen. He was and still is, baseball’s GOAT.
If Willie walked out there now, the ovation would be deafening, and long enough to preclude any questions
Arlene Francis loved Willie! Did you see how she kept looking at him as being walked by after shaking hands? She was a gem. I wish we could have shows today with the class and intelligence of the host and panel of What's My Line.
Here here!!
She did the same thing when Jesse Owens was on the panel. She really loved her sports!
@@deejay8403 She didn't do it for Ted Williams or Joe DiMaggio. Maybe she liked black men.
Willie Mays, Roy Campanella, Lou Gehrig, Joe di Maggio, Hank Aaron...they all belonged to a bygone era in which baseball was an "innocent" sport, untouched by scandals.
@@allenjones3130 Well, there was the 1918 "Black Sox" scandal. Say it ain't so, Joe! Sports writers weren't out to ruin players' careers back then. Otherwise, there would've been plenty of scandals. I'm glad the writers helped make "heroes" of sports figures. School children needed men they could look up to - and despite their shortcomings, many ballplayers lent their services to charities and did courageous things. Roberto Clemente comes to mind.
The nice thing about TH-cam. I can watch the Great Willie Mays in his youth. R.I.P. May 6, 1931--June 18, 2024
Wow never ever seen Arlene so excited..
me too she liked Baseball or maybe Willie Mays
Arlene was most enthused by Willie Mays...more than almost any other guest but her son!
I always have to say how much I love Arlene, she is so sweet, kind, respectful, and intelligent.
Yes, agreed. And, easy on the eyes.
Arlene was an all-around definition of "classy" No doubt of that.
Arlene is so star struck! Love it!
I've viewed over an hundred WMLs, here, from the '50s to the '70s. This, by far, is the most enthusiastic 'solve', by Miss Francis, I've seen.
I love the pride Arlene has when she says MY ball team. And how much of a NY Giants fan she was.
Yes, but I still love watching her anyway. (Lois, the Dodger fan!)
Lois Simmons duck the fodgers
larry930legend - As you watch more episodes of What’s My Line, I think you’ll see that Arlene is quite a baseball fan. :)
Laura Collins I was a Yankee fan. Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris had more than 31 homeruns by July 11, 1961.Babe Ruth finished strong to finish with 60 in 1927. In 1954 I didn't know the first thing about baseball.Iwas only 7.Maris finished with 61 and after an injury,Mantle hit 54. I remember Willy Mays was called the say hey kid. First time I heard him explain why.
@@larry930legend Did you also hear that she knew that he had hit his 31st homerun that day? She must have watched, heard it from Martin, or read about it. She knew something!
Unbridled affection for the NY Giants and Willie, back in the days gone by... Say hey, Willie!
Aw, young Willie Mays, how wonderful!☺
My favorite baseball player of all time, the "
Say Hey Kid".
I love these shows, they help put me in a relaxed state of mind after a very busy day
I agree completely! As a busy full-time teacher and single mom of elementary-school-age triplets, I can't wait until it's my turn to relax and watch this show while finally snuggled in bed! ...but I often fall asleep within 10 minutes! :(
Agree completely! I am in my 30's and appreciate this show! I watch ir either on my phone or link ot to my tv!
Willie Mays is now 92 years old. Go Willie!
Willie Mays...one of the best of all time.
The BEST of all time: Hit, Hit with Power, Run, Field, and Throw.
WILLIE MAYS .....BARRY BONDS.....AND MICKEY MANTLE...TOP THREE FOR ME
But Barry Bonds was a cheater.
@@bigoldinosaur NO MORE THAN A PERSON WHO LIFT WEIGHTS TO GET BIGGER.....HE HAD GREAT VISION TO SEE A 99 MPH BALL....NOTHING TO DO WITH ROIDS.
@@robertfreedman6651 I agree. Best all around player ever.
It was great to see Willie Mays, and what a great guy! Now I learned where Say hey originated too. He was a great looking, superbly talented man and a great athlete! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Must have been nice to be Arlene. She certainly seemed to enjoy it.
Arlene LOVED baseball and her fave player
Of all time was Willy…check out the mark goodson 1975 special with Arlene, Mark and John “fave moments” .., she says again how this was the high light of her life. 💞
Willie is only 23 years old when this show was filmed and later this same year in the world series he would make one of the most famous catches in the history of major league baseball off of the bat of Cleveland's Vic Wertz.
He seems so mature.
@MANCHESTER UNITED What's your point in relation to my comment?
J V - THE CATCH ! !
@@enniswhalen2428 The throw wasn't too shabby, either.
@MAN UTD Yes but the United States is the strongest Country in the World. You get into trouble you call us to save your asses. So you can have your sissy kickball.
you know as much as dorothy killgallen and jack paar disliked one another ,,,,,,,,on the air ,,,,,they kept it ...PROFESSIONAL ..as all performers should be ,,,i see it here ,,and have respect for both of them ,,,even tho theres a difference of opinion ,,,as with ALL others in the world ,,as long as theres at least TWO people in the world ,....a diffence of opinion WILL ALWAYS exist ...they had class ,,,and you know ,,im just very doubtful that in todays television ,,,that kind of class and respect would never exist ,,,,they would come out and claw each other
The great Willie Mays is 91 years young in 2022.
Greatest player ever. Amazing he wasn’t a big man to have that kind of power. Wasn’t anything he couldn’t do on a field. Still with us in 2022
Still around in November 2023
Willie in the middle of one of his greatest seasons. MVP!
Had to come back and watch my favorite player after hearing of his passing. RIP Say Hey Willie!
Some of my favorite Arlene moments:
When she identified Dr. Tom Dooley…
When Louis Armstrong sang “Hello Dolly” at her request (I still cry every time I see that one)…
When she identified Ella Fitzgerald…
When she identified Teddy Wilson during WML’s color years (and he played piano on which they ended the episode)…
And now her enthusiastically IDing Willie is added to this list…
Bennett may have garnered the reputation of guessing many of the guests’ various occupations; but Arlene can be remembered for some of the more memorable accurate guesses…
Willie Mays ended up being quite popular in San Francisco after the Giants moved here in 1958. He played as a member of the San Francisco Giants from 1958 to 1972. (Even my father, a Los Angeles Dodgers fan when I was growing up in L.A. during those same years liked Willie Mays.) Mr. Mays played for the New York Mets in 1972 and 1973 and then retired as a baseball player. He has worked as Special Assistant to the President of the San Francisco Giants since 1986 and is still doing that today at age 85. In fact, the S.F. Giants retired his number "24" -- and if you go to a Giants game at AT&T Park in San Francisco, you'll see a large statue of Willie Mays at the entrance. I note that the official address of AT&T Park was officially changed to "24 Willie Mays Plaza".
+ToddSF 94109
Your dad and I had something in common. I've been a lifelong Dodger fan. One of my earliest memories (age 3) is being kept home from going to a Dodger game at Ebbets Field with my brother and father because I had the "sniffles".
I make note that Willie was there when Vin Scully announced his last major league game which was played at AT&T Park at the end of the 2016 regular season. He was always an relaxed and affable person with good relations with the fans (he would play stickball with the kids on the streets of Harlem from time to time before the Giants left NYC) and the media.
And I will always remember that it was Mays who risked his own body by stepping between Juan Marichal and Johnny Roseboro when his own teammate swung a bat at the Dodgers catcher.
I recall reading some stories about the early days of the San Francisco Giants that suggest the SF fans were divided into two camps. There were those fans who embraced him as a star player. But there were others who booed him because he was playing center field in the same stadium where their hometown hero, Joe DiMaggio, patrolled that position. Those fans preferred to choose from among a talented crop of rookies that the Giants had brought to the big leagues in 1958: chief was future hall of fame player Orlando Cepeda, but there was also starting third baseman Jim Davenport (who spent his enter playing career in the Giants organization), starting right fielder Willie Kirkland, starting catcher Bob Schmidt, and promising young outfielders Leon Wagner and Felipe Alou who would become slugging future All-Stars in their own right. And Willie McCovey would be brought up in the middle of their second season in SF, hitting .354 with 13 HR's in only 52 games to excite the fans and almost bring the Giants the first pennant on the West Coast (the Dodgers had that honor instead that year).
The Giants may have oversold Mays before the start of the season, with manager Bill Rigney predicting he would hit 60 HR's that first season in cozy Seals Stadium. He hit only 29 that year. At one point, Nikita Khrushchev received a better reception in SF than Mays did. One reporter, Frank Conniff, wrote this: “San Francisco is the damnedest city I ever saw in my life. They cheer Khrushchev and boo Mays.”
Also, Mays faced a petition drive when he tried to move into a home he bought in the city. Receiving support from the mayor, having originally offering to withdraw his bid to buy the house, he moved there despite the opposition, only to have a brick thrown through his window soon after. As I recall, Mays soon moved to Atherton where he has lived ever since under much more peaceful circumstances.
Once the Giants moved from their temporary home to Candlestick Park, that hurt Willie's career. The prevailing winds clearly favored left-handed power hitters like McCovey while beating down long balls hit to left-field. Mays had to adjust his swing somewhat to hit more to right field as a result.
But clearly, SF fans have grown far more appreciative of the tremendous talent they had for 14 of his 22 big league seasons. McCovey may have his cove, but Mays has his statue.
He was born in my State of Alabama!
Willie Mays is an American Treasure.
Tallulah Bankhead certainly adored him!
I've been a willie mays fan for nearly 60 years
@ A D B - Does this mean that Willie Mays had 31 HR's as of July 11, 1954 ?
1954 was Willie's breakout season and it shows how good he was playing if he would be invited as the Mystery Guest in the middle of his first full season. He was brought up in May 1951 (hitting a mere .477 for the Giants' Minneapolis farm team to that point) and is the answer to a trivia question: who was the on deck batter for the Giants when Bobby Thomson hit the home run that broke the hearts of Dodgers fans in the deciding game of the 1951 playoffs. Mays was struggling early in the 1952 season before being inducted into the army for the rest of 1952 and all of 1953. He came back a little taller and 10 lbs. heavier on his lean, muscled frame and became one of the top stars in the major leagues for over a decade until age caught up with him and he became merely an above-average player.
He was not a starter in the All Star Game that was played in Cleveland two days after this program aired. He was named as a reserve with the fans voting for Duke Snider to be the starter. Snider justified the fans vote as he went 3 for 4 with a walk and 2 runs scored as he played the entire game. But when NL Manager Walt Alston brought in Mays in the bottom of the 4th inning, he put Mays in center, moved Snider to right and Stan Musial to left field, taking out Jackie Robinson who the fans named to start the game there. This was Mays' first All-Star Game, a venue where he usually shone. He had a single in two at bats and scored a run.
The American League would win a slugfest in the 1954 All-Star Game, 11-9. It is known to trivia buffs for an extremely rare occurrence. The winning pitcher for the American League, Dean Stone of the Senators, was credited with the victory without officially facing any batters. The NL had rallied for two runs in the top of the eighth inning off of Bob Keegan (White Sox) to take a 9-8 lead. With runners on first and third and two out, AL Manager Casey Stengel brought in Stone to face Snider. During Snider's at bat, Red Schoendienst (Cardinals and hero of the 1950 All-Star Game for the NL) thought he could catch Stone, a rookie pitcher just come into the game, by surprise. But Stone's pitch nabbed the Redbird redhead (despite protests that Stone had balked by rushing his pitch). That retired the side, Stengel batted from him in the bottom of the eighth ( a game tying pinch homer by Larry Doby) and the AL rallied for two more runs in the 8th to win the game.
Lois... I've read your comments before....I'm always thrilled to learn what you know. My hat's off to you for enlightening us with detailed reporting and for your fantastic memory and fact finding abilities. Do you have books out... I'd buy one. Bon chance.
Nine years later the All-Star game was back in Cleveland, and I had the thrill of attending it. Mays was the MVP, as the NL won 5-3. Willie had two stolen bases, two RBIs, and two runs scored. To top it off, he made a great running catch in the bottom of the 8th to rob Joe Pepitone of an extra base hit.
Juan Marichal and Warren Spahn were on the NL squad, but neither of them pitched in the game. Perhaps the reason was that exactly one week earlier they had engaged in one of the great pitching duels in baseball history. Both went the distance in a 16 inning game at Candlestick Park. The Giants won 1-0 on a home run by -- yep, Willie Mays. Spahn and Marichal each threw over 200 pitches.
Years later, Mays and Spahn ran into each other at an event, and Willie asked if Spahn remembered that great game. Spahn, with his usual wonderful sense of humor, responded "Yeah. You went 1 for 6".
@@mikejschin The funniest line of Spahn regarding Mays occurred much earlier. In his first at bat, at the Polo Grounds, Willie Mays hit a monster home run off Warren Spahn, perhaps the greatest left handed pitcher in baseball history. It was remarked upon immediately and brought Mays to the public eye as soon as any player could be. Of course then as now the pitcher's mound was 60 feet 6 inches from home plate (although this may change soon). When asked about giving up the homer, Spahn commented, "For the first 60 feet, that was a helluva pitch."
@@preppysocks209 I'd forgotten that great line from Spahn. He is my favorite left handed pitcher ever, and Bob Gibson is my favorite righty. I'm lucky enough to have autographed baseballs from both of them.
Jack Paar was so good as a talk show host that I was expecting him to be better on this show. I was very disappointed.
He seemed to be quite dim witted.
He acted like a jerk.
Wow.. this was 2 years before I was born... My Baseball Idol Mr. Willie "Say Hey Kid" Mays
Thank You(once again) for posting these WMLshows.
I'm 75 years-old and I remember watching this program on t.v. I was only 5 in 1954, but I have to tip my baseball cap to the late Arlene Francis! She really knew her baseball and knew a great player when she saw one. I cannot imagine what she must have felt when the Giants, (and Willie!) left for the West Coast and San Francisco. Three teams in New York at that time. If Willie Mays had been able to stay in New York he would have become mayor and/or governor.
To Willie Mays: "We hope you struggle." Probably not the best wording I've ever heard. John definitely "struggled." :)
Interestingly, he only hit 10 more home runs the rest of the season, ending with 41 total.
Willie always reminded me of a farm animal because he was the GOAT.
Rest well, giant of giants.
Mr. Valentine was the 10th known regular guest from a foreign country.
As of 2021, Willie Mays is the 5th MG still living.
It's a pity they kept referring to England when he clearly said he was from Wales!
I saw this episode online,and recall May's breakout '54 season ,topped off by "The Catch" in the Series."Say Hey " won another MVP 11 years later.I don't know of another MLB player whose awards are so far apart,basically in different athletic generations.RIP,Willie
What a big baseball fan Arlene.. and Bennett... they showed their love on the sport
RIP Willie Mays! Found out half an hour ago. 😢
I love Mrs. Hagan's dress!!!
Suzie Thomas I love Mrs. Hagen!! What a beauty!!
I just wish it wasn't so long. I bet she had killer gams, given her profession and general appearance.
@@Cosmo-Kramer She was extremely physically fit, with such a pretty face. The picture of youth and health.
@@saran3214 Totally! She's definitely the kind of girl I wanna get after I move out of my parents' basement.
GOAT such a natural talent and the stamina to go 23 seasons. I this segment Arlene and everyone in 1954 had no idea his stats would topple so many. Greatest Hall of famer.
Wow, if Hal Block had asked "What's your telephone number?" The people who make comments on here would be up in arms. But somehow Bennett Serf gets away with it.
Bennett Cerf was creepy.
Thank you for defending Brock, I never found him offensive.
Not for me. I don't like Bennett Cerf. An elderly ick.
I completely agree, I think he was thrilled when Hal overstepped the mark and got booted he didn’t have to share the beautiful guest’s attention. Bennett Cerf was creepy personified.
Bennett leered at people like a predator, and I can't stand how he talked out the side of his mouth in that garbled voice.
Comments left on prior version of this video:
Chris N 1 month ago
Jack Paar was self-enchanted, and a giant jerk.
What's My Line? 1 month ago
+Chris Nickens He's always rubbed me the wrong way on a personal level, though I admire his wit. The ultimate example of the comedian-as-neurotic phenomenon. He had feuds going left and right.
MattTheSaiyan 4 months ago
Shame they don't seem to make panel games anymore.
winterlandboy 3 months ago
It is.They were great entertainment .There still is Jeopardy ,and Wheel of Fortune which were around when God was a boy.. but they aren't panel shows in the true sense
Joe Postove 1 year ago
Was Bennett Cerf a cad, or was his womanizing just a joke?
What's My Line? 1 year ago
I don't know anything about his private life, but I suspect that if he was truly a cad, they wouldn't be making jokes about it on the program. They didn't make jokes about Hal Block's obnoxious behavior towards female guests.
David Evans 1 year ago
Not to justify it, but that kind of flirtatious kidding was considered a compliment toward women at that time.
winterlandboy 5 months ago
A Cad ? That's an unusual word that I've never heard before .
Joe Postove 5 months ago
Winterlandboy...according to Miriam-Webster, a cad is:
1: an omnibus conductor
2: a man who acts with deliberate disregard for another's feelings or rights
winterlandboy 5 months ago
My understanding is that Jack Parr was very much like Dick Cavett was years later on his now ancient old talk show
An intellect ,a truth seeker and a no BS person .
All the Tonight Show hosts from Parr to the present had first names beginning with the letter J.
Jack Parr
Johnny Carson
Jay Leno
Jimmy Fallon
What are the chances?
corner moose 3 months ago
+winterlandboy You left out Jonan O'Brien
SUPERSPORTS 5 months ago
@21:45 oh you're just the greatest. Now make sure you leave out the back door
Flike 7 months ago
"There has never been a perfect ballplayer, but Willie Mays came the closest to perfection." - Joe DiMaggio
orgonko the wildly untamed 4 months ago
Mr Mays was just in his 4th year & already well known
John Wettermark 7 months ago
I vote Arlene Francis as the woman I'd most like to sit next to at a dinner party!
joed596 6 months ago
Ditto that :-)
Lava1964 8 months ago
There's no doubt that Willie Mays is the greatest living ballplayer now.
Johan Bengtsson 10 months ago
Some years later Dorothy would have a feud with Jack Paar who was a supporter of Fidel Castro while Dorothy was a strong anti-communist.
RobertR3750 1 year ago
Arlene was really starstruck by Willie. Quite the baseball fan!
Johan Bengtsson 10 months ago
The "Say Hey Kid". :)
Barry M. 6 months ago
I agree. She was like a bobby-soxer sedeing her favorite movie star.
Purple Capricorn 3 months ago
+RobertR3750 Her husband was a big baseball fan too I believe.
joed596 6 months ago
thank you
John Fuentes 1 year ago
Was Jack Paar trying to be funny...if so...he wasn't
What's My Line? 1 year ago
+John Fuentes Always better to at least add an "imo", don't you think? It's just three letters, after all. Plenty of people find Jack Paar very, very funny indeed.
John Fuentes 1 year ago
+What's My Line?
You may have a point there......however isn't adding IMO redundant since it is implicit that one is only stating one's opinion. In the case of my statement....when he was told several times by John Daly that the questions had to be "yes/no" type and he insisted on the "either/or" .....I was stating my opinion that his insistence was not funny. I'm sure that in other occasions Mr. Paar was funny.
What's My Line? 1 year ago
+John Fuentes It's just less likely to engender hostile responses (which I don't want to see) when you're expressing a perfectly valid though negative opinion, to make a point out noting that you're aware it's only your opinion and not an objective reality, that's all I was trying to say. It is redundant-- but so is a lot of good manners and such. Just a gentle suggestion for the future, that's all. I appreciate the response.
John Fuentes 1 year ago
+What's My Line?
Thanks for the advice
krasnykavkaz 9 months ago
Paar was before my time, but from what I've read and seen he was fairly controversial. He got into a lot of feuds, including the one with Dorothy Kilgallen mentioned on this thread, and eventually burnt himself out. One good thing about him as a talk show host is that he was more interested in getting individuals who could converse intelligently than merely bagging celebs.
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BlueShoeLover 1 year ago
I did like Dorothy's "he directs murder mysteries" guess. Mr Valentine sure does look like Alfred Hitchcock!
zardon4 1 year ago
The next host of The Tonight Show Jack Paar fills in for the previous and first Tonight Show host Steve Allen on the What's My Line ? panel! When did the Howdy Doody episode you uploaded with Fred Allen's first appearance on this panel take place -- September 1954 or earlier ?
What's My Line? 1 year ago in reply to zardon4
I'm thinking this was a sort of a tryout, because Fred didn't return to the panel until late September, at which point he began appearing regularly (though at first, he alternated with Robert Q. Lewis-- whom I find exceedingly annoying). The next few shows after Fred's debut on the panel all feature Steve Allen in them. The producers were probably scrambling for a replacement before his imminent departure.
What's My Line? 1 year ago in reply to zardon4
Fred Allen's first show on the panel was 8/15/54.
zardon4 1 year ago in reply to What's My Line?
Then Fred must have been filling in for Steve Allen, because Steve is in the August 29 show with Debbie Reynolds you just posted.
2:28 it's understandable why John should be speechless!
The dress, the figure, the hair, the looks! Amazing!
She looks like a blonde Kisrtie Alley
Willie got such a hot start hitting home rums that season but only hit 10 more after the all-star break. He had been in the military and missed the whole previous season.
Mays had a good point. They always seem to bring in the baseball players during the season. It would be harder to pick them out if they were NYR hockey players or football celebs in the summer months.
Mary Jane Hagen from Fort Lauderdale, Florida :) Wow what a gal!
Jack Paar later filled in for Steve Allen for 5 years on the Tonight Show.
Willie is the BEST !!!
I remember his famous over the shoulder catch in center field
wow my dads favorite player and he saw ruth gerhig dimagio and the like but he always said willie was the best----and no politics how refreshing
Rest In Peace, Willie! Obviously you were Arlene's favorite!
Love seeing an SF Giant be part of such a peak tv show!
rip to the say hey kid, the greatest to ever do it
Great to see The Say Hey Kid during that golden summer of '54.
"Enough of that, Mr. Cerf," did you hear me?
Today’s July 11, 2020. It’s been 66 years since this episode first aired. I was almost a year old back then.
The best there was. Love Arlene's enthusiasm
RIP, Mr. Mays. 18 June 2024
I am so glad they got rid of that business of the contestants walking back-and-forth in front of the panelists and then exiting behind John Charles Daly. That was so undignified.
Willie Mays (1931 -- 2024) retired in Atherton, California, about 10 miles to the South from where I grew up, and live now. Way back in 1965, I saw him in a Giants Game; in that game he hit 2 Home Runs. He signed his name on my baseball, and didn't want money for it.
Jack Paar later famously feuded with Dorothy Kilgallen because he interviewed Fidel Castro on the Tonight Show.
I'm not surprised to hear that. Dorothy Kilgallen couldn't stand Peter Paul & Mary -- especially not their version of Pete Seeger's song "If I Had a Hammer" -- I think she was something of a McCarthyist type, so any truck with Fidel Castro would have bothered her a lot and she probably gave Jack Paar grief for it in her newspaper column.
Steven Chappell Jack Parr had a propensity of not getting along with anybody, which explains his short stay on the Tonight Show. He didn't mesh very well with the panel IMHO.
@@ToddSF I've thought that, at times, also, but then she supported Kennedy in 1960, which would have gone against that thought. Of course, she may have evolved in the later 50's.
Always thought it was because they were both "Irish" Catholic......
@@rebeccaquartieri3564 He wasn't fired from the Tonight Show. he moved to a prime time show as Steve Allen did, thinking that that was the big time. Johnny Carson realized that the later night spot was the big time for that type of show.
It's interesting watching this tape. Willie would be a guest on the first episode of "The Tonight Show" with Steve Allen (even though that tape ended before he came on). On this WML panel is Jack Paar, who would take over the Tonight Show after Allen left it three years later.
31 homers by July 11? Dang.
Greatest ball player ever in my book.
Had 660 home runs, and he lost almost two seasons because of military service. Superb on offense and defense. Certainly, one of the greatest ever. Who was better? Maybe Ruth because of his pitching stats before he became "The Sultan of Swat".
@@robertfiller8634 Good point about Ruth's pitching prowess. He was so good that he probably would have made the Hall of Fame as a pitcher if he hadn't been switched to being a position player. But Mays was a better fielder and base runner (though Ruth was a surprisingly good base runner, just not in Willie's class). I'll call it a draw between them. Whichever one you want on your pickup ball team, I'll be quite happy to take the other one. ;-)
@@mikejschin I guess you don't think Mantle was as talented as Mays.
@@fredmar6436 Hi Fred. Mantle was my baseball hero growing up. We'll never know the full extent of his talent because he was held back by osteomyelitis and a number in injuries throughout his career. Based solely on the numbers each player achieved, I would have to pick Mays over Mantle. By the way, I still have a Mickey Mantle bobblehead that my father bought me at a Yankees game in 1961.
@@mikejschin Yesterday a listened to a DH, Detroit at New York, Mother's Day, 5-14-61. Tigers went into the day with a 4 1/2 game lead. Yankees swept with Berra winning the 1st game on 10th inning single. I was 12 at the time so I remember that year distinctly. As I recall it came down to a Labor Day series which the Yankees swept. I remember Skowron coming up with a big hit to virtually clinch it for NY. Tigers won 101 games but finished 8 games out!! I didn't know they gave bobbleheads that long ago!! Anyway Mantle was by far the biggest drawing card in AL and possibly all of baseball.
You can tell Arlene was a real fan, she liked the Mets too later on. . Mays 23 here and 31 hrs in July. Wow.
Willie Mays may he rest peacefully ❤just think he was only 23 or 24 yrs old here
I'm wondering if Willie Mays now holds the distinction of being a living WML mystery guest who was on the program at the earliest date.
Lava1964 great question! I’d like to know too.
Earlier mystery guests who are still living include Jill and Dickie Kollmar (Dorothy's two older children), Arlene Dahl, and Doris Day.
@@emilynewhall Doris is no longer with us, but Margaret O’Brien is. She was a MG in one of the lost episodes.
@@dutchtea8354 Agreed. Doris passed two years ago, after I posted my comment. Glad to hear about Margaret!
@@dutchtea8354 You are correct regarding Margaret O'Brien who appeared Feb 25, 1951 making her the earliest mystery guest still living (as of 8/18/2023). Willie May's would be second. Dorothy's two older children were technically not MG (they are not listed in Appendix A of Gil Fates book which documents all mystery guests. Frederic March was the MG on the night they appeared).
Mrs. Hagen was a doll.
Arlene was a huge baseball fan.
Willie was 23 years old here. I looked up the box score of the game that day.
Pittsburgh Pirates vs New York Giants Box Score: July 11, 1954
NY GIANTS 13 PITTSBURG PIRATES 7
MAYS AB 5 RUNS 2 Hits 3 RBI 1
HR Willie Mays (31, off Jake Thies, 4th inn, 0 on, 0 outs to LF)
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And as Geraldine Jones would say, "Hit the ball, Willie!"
I guess Arlene was happy when the Giants won the National League pennant in 1954 and swept the Cleveland Indians four straight in the World Series.
Dorothy K. was brilliant.
The last super star ever….God Bless Willie….rip
Willie Howard Mays Jr. (May 6, 1931 - June 18, 2024), nicknamed the "Say Hey Kid",
Happy 91st Birthday to The Say Hey Kid!
I was born 13 days after this aired
I am reading your comment on July 24, 2022, so I hope you have a very Happy Birthday today!! 😊😊
I cringed when old Bennett asked young MRS. Hagen for her telephone number.
I'm guessing only a few got the reference Dorothy was making when she guessed Mr Valentine's occupation @ 9:54
And I'm one of those who didn't get it, either. Please explain.
Lois Simmons he does look like Mr. Hitchcock
Arlene's a Giants fan👍. I hope she forgave them when they moved and stayed a fan
She did live in San Francisco in the years before her death.
Observations: Bennett Cerf would have been a really good Taboo player...and the similarities between Jack Parr and Johnny Carson! It’s uncanny and I’d never noticed it before. And I think Arlene Francis was the most smitten with Willie Mayes.
Love this show!
anybody else just find it so strange to have jack paar introduced as someone who will be "starting a new show" (the tonight show, presumably) that Saturday?
Jack Paar had a comedy/variety show around then. There was no Tonight Show yet! It began that September, with Steve Allen.
At that time, the NY baseball Giants played at the Polo Grounds, located in Manhattan. One wonders if the ballpark location had anything to do with Arlene's preference for the Giants (though, any of several possibilities existed to follow any one of the NY teams in that era).
How cool to give us ...the why, for the famous moniker 💯
One of the high praise episodes
Given Arlene's reaction to Willie Mays I bet she was disappointed when the NY Giants moved to SanFransisco.
The great Willie square in his prime that would last for over a decade.
What a *PRETTY* SMILE,!.!😍☺️😊😊😊🎨
Jack Parr is terrible as a panalist.
He seemed to be a JERK
He was a prima dona. Royal pain.
Yes, he was. But he was very good as host of The Tonight Show. He was all wrong for this show, however.
He was a very nervous man so he messed up. He was out of his element.
Eh it was funny though
So long Say-Hey Willie Mays, go hear Arlene cheer for you now in Heaven.
Three months before the great basket catch in the 54 Series.
... followed by an unbelievably great throw.
R.I.P. Willie Mays
it's in teresting thrat there were 2 major tv talk show hosts on the panel on this show, Steve Allen and the incomparable Jack Paar.
And Jack followed soon after Steve as host of the Tonight Show.
And Arlene did a brief stint as host (or "guest host") in the interim between Jack and Johnny.
I never could understand what people saw in Jack I never would have hired him,he’d be working in store rest of his life if it were up to me..
I'd rather shake the hand of Willie Mays than that of any other!
The dichotomy here is pretty amazing. Here in New York where they're filming this you have Willie Mays on TV and shaking everybody's hand and being treated with respect. The same year in the south they're trying to desegregate schools while angry white people yell at poor little black girls trying to enter the school. History is certainly interesting.
It was just as bad in the north. Hank Aaron had a bad time up there. And you all have the race riots, knock out games etc. We have twice the black population here. So, stop looking down your nose at us and clean up your own act, past and present.
... and only because he's an entertainer and famous, if he was Willie Jones not so, in the North, or the South, it would have been the same shit; America, selective racism 1950s style.