(1) Preservation, protect what you already have (2) Conservation, protect as many things as you can (3) Restoration, put things back to the way they were (4) Replication, remake what has been lost
I think just like the 'holy trinity' of battleships .. armor, speed, firepower... the 'holy trinity' of museums is Restoration, Preservation, and Conservation.. all three are needed and it is an ongoing balance between them.
Was last there about eight years ago. Have visited Battleship cove many times over the years but my most memorable trip was in 1999 by boat from Newport, Rhode Island. The Battleship Iowa was at that time berthed alongside Forrestal in Middletown, Rhode Island , so I was able to see two battleships in one day. We anchored behind Massachusetts in the cove for lunch as it was a windy day and the battleship makes a great windbreak. Going alongside the almost 900 foot long Iowa in my 18 foot Starcraft makes you truly appreciate their immense size !
If you don’t conserve ships, there’s nothing to preserve, and if you don’t preserve, there’s nothing to restore . The problem is that if artefacts are not restored, there often isn’t enough interest in them to generate enough funding. It must be very hard to allocate scarce resources, which is why I am so grateful for passionate professionals such as Ryan, and the army of dedicated volunteers that support them. Frankly it’s a source of national shame that the UK has never preserved a capital ship.
Wow, that was a trip through memory lane. My Boy Scout troop made two different overnight trips to Big Mamie while I was in it back in the 90s. The first trip, we stayed in bunks on the aft port side of the Massachusetts. Incidentally, on that trip, I think I bought a USS New Jersey model in the gift shop. The second trip had us bunking on the Kennedy. Both trips included a few lessons on rope work and knots by a volunteer at the museum across the street. It was there I learned the meaning of a jerk to be "someone who walks around on deck with their hands in the pockets after being told not to." They do great work there and are an amazing organization.
Preservation is #1, never ending battle. Being a former QM I’m always dismayed if the bridge is secured & not accessible on a tour. Best day on battleship was having access to magazine, handling room etc 👍 Think it was on Missouri at Pearl Harbor. Otherwise all ex crew members would probably prefer ship relative to time served onboard.
Battleship Cove is one of my favorite displays, primarily because of the PT boats. I've been there 7-8 times over the years. The effort put in by the volunteers is immeasurable, no matter how much or little is put forth, every bit helps. Local effort and pride in a community creates years of memories...c'mon, how many people can say they worked on a WWII battleship or submarine? As for the Huey, ...know it well...I road them in the AF as airborne fire team in the 80's, I carried a 60. Thanks again Ryan, your videos are awesome.
Was at Battleship Cove in July of 2022. They're doing an amazing job with their museum and artifacts. Someone needs to teach them whatever you guys are doing with social media to drive donations and interest.
I was at Battleship Cove this past summer, it was awesome! I'm glad to see them making progress on the Lionfish, it was getting a little rough looking. The pastor from my parents church served on Big Mamie as a gunners mate, RIP Russell and thanks for the stories, I will cherish them always!
It’s ALL important. In fact, I would say it’s all vital. Museums are the greatest form of “show and tell.” To show something the artifact must be in a condition that supports the story. All three types of work must be done and done in a manner that does not “un-do” the value of artifact or story. History is the most important thing we have - it is the foundation of who we are. Having items to immortalize the narrative will always keep a true learners attention.
Such a cool place, I remember going there as a kid in the boy scouts and sleeping over and shooting potato cannons off the deck of one of the ships. Can’t wait to go back and hopefully contribute in some way soon
When I was a kid, 1970 to 1980, in Jersey City, they used to have old Navy ships on the Hackensack River near Two Guys on 440 and 1&9 area. You could see the ships, they seemed to cut them up into pieces and little by little the ships are gone. I believe there was a aircraft carrier there at one time too. I was fascinated as a kid seeing that. I remember asking my dad what they were doing and he said they are docked at a scrap yard, they recycle the steel.
If I'm being brutally honest, the recovered sunken PT boat is more of a sentimental effort to me and doesn't add as much as the other surviving PT boats. I appreciate the work people put into that kind of effort but see it as a less useful effort when there are good surviving examples of similar things, including at Battleship Cove already. What really interests me are three things about museum ships: 1) Faithfully displaying the space in a way that allows people to see what it was like , especially events aboard like overnight trips where people get to experience the ship rather than just visit a) minimal "tourist/vistor-friendly" modifications b) maximum representation of historic state (including things done by people in the ship's era of service, not just how it came out of the shipyard) c) Historic fabric is good but not to the detriment of overall long-term viability or general appreciation of what is being shown. Fixing and replacing deck wood and supports for example is better than what is being removed by every reasonable measure, even though the new wood and steel are not historic fabric - and the crew/Navy never would have let it stay in that deteriorated state. 2) Preservation of artifacts in a working (or at least visually in good repair if not working) state that provides a good understanding of how things were in that time 3) Maintaining the identity of the object in a coherent way, especially reflecting the personality it gained by nature of those who served aboard.
I wish I had the ability to volunteer on a daily basis on these ships. I have had a couple of chances on BB-59. Tom is a great guy and very dedicated to Big Mamie. One of my days there, I got to work with him and another fella on that practice loader. Tom was telling me about the operation of it. It looks REALLY good now compared to then. Bravo Zulu.
Really depends. In terms of Preservation, if it's something unique, like for example I got to tour the Turner Joy in Bremerton about 5 years ago, last Destroyer of her type. You can still see the impact scars when she was hit by enemy fire. They have put a thin layer of paint to protect from rust, but it's still visible and tells a story. Preserve that part, or area, as is. With that said, Restoration should be the goal.
I had never thought about what a balancing act this must be for curators. Its not just a goodtime fun job where you get to play around with old toys is it? Your videos are getting better and better all the time... love the channel!
The important things in this order are, reconstruct to original condition, rebuild mods to as installed, and preserve artifacts to preserve for future generations. If it was part of the ship when launched/commissioned, that takes no. 1 priority. Future mods/ship-alts as installed are 2nd priority. Getting a aircraft or small boat that may or may not need repair or salvaging would be last on the list to prioritize funds for reconditioning would be third in priority only if item was deployed with the warship.
I restore things so. My favorite thing to do is strip a classic boat down to its birthday suit and then put it back together the way they originally came. At least on the surface. I may use some upgraded internals (we have made some advancements the last 40 or 50 years) but what I really like to do is use the best of the best from that time period. In 1969 buying two top of the line Nascar motors (if you could find them) would have cost more then the average house back then. Today I can build them in my garage knowing how it was done for less then a typical LS motor.
Was at Battleship cove a week ago. I agree with those who think more social media would help Battleship Cove. Many things looked freshly painted, but theTeak deck has gotten real rough. I really wanted to see the Hindessee but she was closed. I donated my 50 bucks but boy, they need 50 million! Too bad some of the ridiculasly rich people with the ridiculas 250' yachts I saw around Miami would give up a few million!!! Sickning!!!!
Video suggestion. If you visit USS Iowa at some point, could you maybe do a video on how they handle turret #2? Has it remained sealed since 1989? If not has any restoration/preservation work been done? Are there conditions prohibiting the museum from going inside? Obviously not something that would be part of a tour, for obvious reasons. Just curious how the museum has handled that part of the ship since receiving it. I'm sure its a complicated subject since there's a need to have access to preserve the ship as a whole, but considering the accident it must be a pretty touchy thing id imagine.
Oh man, too bad I missed you guys! I live like 25 minutes from there. I was actually just talking about taking my dad, brother, brother-in-law, and four-year-old nephew to check it out soon.
The UH-1 really is the stereotypical American helicopter, with the stereotypical helicopter noise due to the 2 blade rotor. I also have something of a personal connection to them as my father, before I was born, was thrown out of one when it took fire while lifting off, falling about 30 feet. Had that pilot not taken his huey back down so my father could get tossed back inside, I would not be here today. My father received a purple heart for this incident. This was in Vietnam. On a side note relevant to the recent videos, I finally convinced my father to take a two day excursion in the spring so that the two of us can go to USS Salem and Battleship Cove.
To answer your question about what museums should do: All THREE. There are many conservation type projects that can be done on any artifact. Preserving what would be classified as Nose Art on Aircraft to vintage WWII posters. The other two types are a constant for any museum. Especially Naval Museum's.
Ryan, I notices the Cobra is not just any Cobra Gun Ship. It is a Sea Cobra. They were still often referred to as Super Cobras more but they have some changes compared to what the Army got. They had a different canopy to give a wider range of visibility and reduce glare from the oceans water. The optics for the gatling gun was tunes to deal with daytime sun glare and night time moon glare in the ocean. The armament mounts were also a bit different. The little stub wings that armorment gets attached to were a bit longer than an Army bird to hold more and awkwardly shaped items. They also allowed the stub wings to hold chain belt ammo for M60 machine guns inside them to add firepower in addition to the chin mount gatling gun. When encountering pirates off Somalia or Yemen there is a need for more cannon or gun ammo than needed against land based targets. The longer stub wings also allow the Sea Cobra to not just fire air to air and air to ground missiles but they had a special deep run torpedo that they could launch as well for trying to hit a ship under its keel. They also had small depth charges made to be dropped for anti submarine duty. They needed the Marine Corp to not only be able to support the troops landing on a beach but to support the LSD a d LHD ships they get assigned to. They can act as protection for Naval and Marine Landing vessels more effectively than a Harrier or the new F35.
I think when we are talking about something like a museum ship, such as New Jersey, restoration is more important. Reason being, she sat out in the mothball fleet for some time before being donated, receiving minimal maintenance, and likely stripped of various parts the USN needed. So as delivered not anywhere near how she would have been in any of her commissions. So I feel its almost a disservice to simply preserve it as-is, since that's not how a single sailor sailed her. However, had the ship been sunk either by enemy action or target practice, and we only had say a single turret that had been raised. Id say its important to conserve that as it is, showing all of the damage done to it.
Battleship Cove is neat to visit. It’s real chill and you have multiple ships to visit. The SoDaks are neat to compare to the Iowa’s and are somewhat similar. The JPK Destroyer and PT boat collection is great too. It’s definitely worth a visit, it’s only about 30mins drive from Providence RI
I believe it is an equal division to all three. I realize that that doesn't necessarily mean an equal amount of money. That's for someone well above my paygrade to determine. I remember the Mary Rose had to be misted with a special solution for years to keep her from rotting any further. Talk about a time capsule. As far as I know, they are still learning from what they found aboard her.
Is there a book of museum ships and location and what each location offers? Where can I get one and if not why hasn’t someone done it thanks for any info
well, obviously preservation comes first- if you don't or can't keep up with it, you're losing your artifact, no matter if it'S a BB or an ancient temple. restoration is something quite important, cause it enhances what you have. conservation of relics like that PT boat is probably very important (esp if something like the Vaasa or the Mary Rose is involved, which are unique) and it offers an insight not easily gained otherwise.
All three methods have their place. I guess it would be a lot easier if ships went from active life to museum right away without first being mothballed, stripped for parts and sitting around for a while until they are old enough to be called historic. I don't know what the majority of museum visitors is after. See the ship as it would have appeared in its prime or see the remains of the ship showing all of its history? A lot probably depends on what kind of ship it is or in which state it is. And the worst would be to apply a one-and-only-true procedure for all artifacts. I enjoyed seeing Cutty Sark wonderfully restored as much as I enjoyed Edwin Fox showing all the evidence of the abuse she's been through. Likewise I fell in love with a locomotive that stood in the museum all scratched, dented and rusty. A while ago, I bought a vintage motorcycle in rather bad shape, and meant to restore it to former glory, but after giving her a good wash-down, I changed my mind and just got the technology running again, preserving the patina. Meanwhile, I work for a company that's restoring historic buildings (not so many ships around here in Bavaria), and I've been to a building that used to be a baroque church. After the secularization, the spires and choir were demolished and the knave became home to a brewery (did I mention this is Bavaria?). They brutally cut through the vaulted ceiling to install some of the more ungainly of equipment. Whatever of stucco and ceiling paintings wasn't in the way simply was ignored, fell off or didn't, paintings were weirdly discoloured (one became pure nightmare-fuel), possibly by alcoholic fumes. Around 1915, the whole brewery equipment was removed and the place abandoned, although the outside was maintained neatly, since it is integral to a larger monastery complex. After the second world war, the building housed refugees, who added a variety of graffiti, one clearly showing a Messerschmitt 262 jet-fighter. In this case, the work was limited to cleaning and securing loose bits of stucco, so the ruin can be made accessible to the public. I would really be sorry if this mess would be restored to its former baroque glory.
Preservation would be most important in my thoughts. It is a huge task just to preserve the ships. Restoration is great but should be second to preservation. How are the new floors in the destroyer coming out?
Hey Ryan, I love the content! Could you consider doing a video on how the Battleship Texas drydock work, and drydock work in general, fits the categories preservation, restoration, and conservation?
You worked on the USS Torsk? I spent the night on it several times in 1972 - my step father was chief of the boat when it was the Navy Yard at Bolling AFB - it was getting turned into a museum ship and my step father was an electrician’s mate I must have been 14
Really cool to see that Huey. However there was a lot of background noise during that recording. Couldn't quite make it out, but it sounded like someone saying "it ain't me" over and over.
"whats more important; restoration, preservation. and conservation?" - YES! conservation question; ive got an m1 helmet liner made out of cardboard with rayon webbing. the snaps (which i think are aluminum) are corroding to the point of shedding flecks of "rust" onto the shelf. is there anything i can spray on them that will stop the corrosion without hurting the surrounding webbing and liner shell?
The Lionfish was a mess when I saw it a year ago. (not bashing the volunteers as they are probably doing the best they can). I’d volunteer there if I lived closer.
I don’t think you can pick one of the three as most important because the answer is always going vary depending upon the artifact, it’s condition, it’s historical value and what you hope to accomplish. Let’s look at NJ’s teak deck as an example. Obviously the original teak deck from WWII has great historical significance. That’s something you would want to save if at all possible. But if it’s condition is such that it can’t be saved without other extreme measures like building a structure over it or prohibiting guests from walking on it then clearly replacement and restoration are in order. Now if the section of the deck in question was replaced in the 90’s and isn’t part of the original fabric of the ship replacement if required is in my view much easier. Or lets take PT-59. This is clearly a focus on conservation and preservation. There isn’t enough original fabric left to restore her to her wartime configuration. Doing so would be an excercise in building a replica really. So you preserve what you have left and find a way to display that because then what people really are seeing is the remnants of Kennedy’s last command.
That Huey looks like one of the fifty UH-1B which were procured by the CIA during the "advisory" period in Vietnam for use in a field trial of its effectiveness. Michael Paine, an engineer at Bell and the stepson of Arthur Young who invented the flybar rotor system used on Bell helicopters for many years, was in S.E. Asia supporting the program at the time of the assassination of JFK when Marina Oswald was renting a room from his wife, Ruth Paine, in Dallas. Just one of those odd historical coincidences.
museums are all delicate balancing act between restoration conservation and preservation. you cant put one out front of the other as it will degrade the overall collection
PT-59 FTW I really really wanna come out to the west coast and visit you guys and battleship cove and i guess ill go to new york..... if time allows.......
I dont know, I think its important to stay in your lane, let ship guys do the ships, let the airplane guys do the aircraft, let the tank guys do the tanks. beware of mission creep.
(1) Preservation, protect what you already have
(2) Conservation, protect as many things as you can
(3) Restoration, put things back to the way they were
(4) Replication, remake what has been lost
seconded
I am really glad that these ships are in the hands of Ryan and people like him. The level of knowledge required is stupendous.
I think just like the 'holy trinity' of battleships .. armor, speed, firepower... the 'holy trinity' of museums is Restoration, Preservation, and Conservation.. all three are needed and it is an ongoing balance between them.
Was last there about eight years ago. Have visited Battleship cove many times over the years but my most memorable trip was in 1999 by boat from Newport, Rhode Island. The Battleship Iowa was at that time berthed alongside Forrestal in Middletown, Rhode Island , so I was able to see two battleships in one day. We anchored behind Massachusetts in the cove for lunch as it was a windy day and the battleship makes a great windbreak. Going alongside the almost 900 foot long Iowa in my 18 foot Starcraft makes you truly appreciate their immense size !
If you don’t conserve ships, there’s nothing to preserve, and if you don’t preserve, there’s nothing to restore .
The problem is that if artefacts are not restored, there often isn’t enough interest in them to generate enough funding. It must be very hard to allocate scarce resources, which is why I am so grateful for passionate professionals such as Ryan, and the army of dedicated volunteers that support them.
Frankly it’s a source of national shame that the UK has never preserved a capital ship.
Wow, that was a trip through memory lane. My Boy Scout troop made two different overnight trips to Big Mamie while I was in it back in the 90s. The first trip, we stayed in bunks on the aft port side of the Massachusetts. Incidentally, on that trip, I think I bought a USS New Jersey model in the gift shop. The second trip had us bunking on the Kennedy. Both trips included a few lessons on rope work and knots by a volunteer at the museum across the street. It was there I learned the meaning of a jerk to be "someone who walks around on deck with their hands in the pockets after being told not to." They do great work there and are an amazing organization.
Preservation is #1, never ending battle. Being a former QM I’m always dismayed if the bridge is secured & not accessible on a tour. Best day on battleship was having access to magazine, handling room etc 👍 Think it was on Missouri at Pearl Harbor. Otherwise all ex crew members would probably prefer ship relative to time served onboard.
Great video as always. This is probably one of the best ones yall have put out recently and every video is fantastic.
Battleship Cove is one of my favorite displays, primarily because of the PT boats. I've been there 7-8 times over the years. The effort put in by the volunteers is immeasurable, no matter how much or little is put forth, every bit helps. Local effort and pride in a community creates years of memories...c'mon, how many people can say they worked on a WWII battleship or submarine? As for the Huey, ...know it well...I road them in the AF as airborne fire team in the 80's, I carried a 60. Thanks again Ryan, your videos are awesome.
Was at Battleship Cove in July of 2022. They're doing an amazing job with their museum and artifacts. Someone needs to teach them whatever you guys are doing with social media to drive donations and interest.
I was at Battleship Cove this past summer, it was awesome! I'm glad to see them making progress on the Lionfish, it was getting a little rough looking. The pastor from my parents church served on Big Mamie as a gunners mate, RIP Russell and thanks for the stories, I will cherish them always!
It’s ALL important. In fact, I would say it’s all vital. Museums are the greatest form of “show and tell.” To show something the artifact must be in a condition that supports the story. All three types of work must be done and done in a manner that does not “un-do” the value of artifact or story. History is the most important thing we have - it is the foundation of who we are. Having items to immortalize the narrative will always keep a true learners attention.
Such a cool place, I remember going there as a kid in the boy scouts and sleeping over and shooting potato cannons off the deck of one of the ships. Can’t wait to go back and hopefully contribute in some way soon
When I was a kid, 1970 to 1980, in Jersey City, they used to have old Navy ships on the Hackensack River near Two Guys on 440 and 1&9 area. You could see the ships, they seemed to cut them up into pieces and little by little the ships are gone. I believe there was a aircraft carrier there at one time too. I was fascinated as a kid seeing that. I remember asking my dad what they were doing and he said they are docked at a scrap yard, they recycle the steel.
If I'm being brutally honest, the recovered sunken PT boat is more of a sentimental effort to me and doesn't add as much as the other surviving PT boats. I appreciate the work people put into that kind of effort but see it as a less useful effort when there are good surviving examples of similar things, including at Battleship Cove already.
What really interests me are three things about museum ships:
1) Faithfully displaying the space in a way that allows people to see what it was like , especially events aboard like overnight trips where people get to experience the ship rather than just visit
a) minimal "tourist/vistor-friendly" modifications
b) maximum representation of historic state (including things done by people in the ship's era of service, not just how it came out of the shipyard)
c) Historic fabric is good but not to the detriment of overall long-term viability or general appreciation of what is being shown. Fixing and replacing deck wood and supports for example is better than what is being removed by every reasonable measure, even though the new wood and steel are not historic fabric - and the crew/Navy never would have let it stay in that deteriorated state.
2) Preservation of artifacts in a working (or at least visually in good repair if not working) state that provides a good understanding of how things were in that time
3) Maintaining the identity of the object in a coherent way, especially reflecting the personality it gained by nature of those who served aboard.
I wish I had the ability to volunteer on a daily basis on these ships. I have had a couple of chances on BB-59. Tom is a great guy and very dedicated to Big Mamie. One of my days there, I got to work with him and another fella on that practice loader. Tom was telling me about the operation of it. It looks REALLY good now compared to then. Bravo Zulu.
Really depends. In terms of Preservation, if it's something unique, like for example I got to tour the Turner Joy in Bremerton about 5 years ago, last Destroyer of her type. You can still see the impact scars when she was hit by enemy fire. They have put a thin layer of paint to protect from rust, but it's still visible and tells a story. Preserve that part, or area, as is. With that said, Restoration should be the goal.
I had never thought about what a balancing act this must be for curators. Its not just a goodtime fun job where you get to play around with old toys is it?
Your videos are getting better and better all the time... love the channel!
The important things in this order are, reconstruct to original condition, rebuild mods to as installed, and preserve artifacts to preserve for future generations. If it was part of the ship when launched/commissioned, that takes no. 1 priority. Future mods/ship-alts as installed are 2nd priority. Getting a aircraft or small boat that may or may not need repair or salvaging would be last on the list to prioritize funds for reconditioning would be third in priority only if item was deployed with the warship.
They need to always keep being new and fresh with new displays
All are important and vital.
I restore things so. My favorite thing to do is strip a classic boat down to its birthday suit and then put it back together the way they originally came. At least on the surface. I may use some upgraded internals (we have made some advancements the last 40 or 50 years) but what I really like to do is use the best of the best from that time period. In 1969 buying two top of the line Nascar motors (if you could find them) would have cost more then the average house back then. Today I can build them in my garage knowing how it was done for less then a typical LS motor.
As part of a Battleship Battlegroup, while deployed on the USS Thach (FFG-43) we escorted the New Jersey in 1986 on WestPac.
Was at Battleship cove a week ago. I agree with those who think more social media would help Battleship Cove. Many things looked freshly painted, but theTeak deck has gotten real rough. I really wanted to see the Hindessee but she was closed. I donated my 50 bucks but boy, they need 50 million! Too bad some of the ridiculasly rich people with the ridiculas 250' yachts I saw around Miami would give up a few million!!! Sickning!!!!
Thank you Ryan.
Video suggestion. If you visit USS Iowa at some point, could you maybe do a video on how they handle turret #2? Has it remained sealed since 1989? If not has any restoration/preservation work been done? Are there conditions prohibiting the museum from going inside?
Obviously not something that would be part of a tour, for obvious reasons. Just curious how the museum has handled that part of the ship since receiving it. I'm sure its a complicated subject since there's a need to have access to preserve the ship as a whole, but considering the accident it must be a pretty touchy thing id imagine.
Oh man, too bad I missed you guys! I live like 25 minutes from there. I was actually just talking about taking my dad, brother, brother-in-law, and four-year-old nephew to check it out soon.
The UH-1 really is the stereotypical American helicopter, with the stereotypical helicopter noise due to the 2 blade rotor. I also have something of a personal connection to them as my father, before I was born, was thrown out of one when it took fire while lifting off, falling about 30 feet. Had that pilot not taken his huey back down so my father could get tossed back inside, I would not be here today. My father received a purple heart for this incident. This was in Vietnam.
On a side note relevant to the recent videos, I finally convinced my father to take a two day excursion in the spring so that the two of us can go to USS Salem and Battleship Cove.
To answer your question about what museums should do: All THREE. There are many conservation type projects that can be done on any artifact. Preserving what would be classified as Nose Art on Aircraft to vintage WWII posters. The other two types are a constant for any museum. Especially Naval Museum's.
Ryan, I notices the Cobra is not just any Cobra Gun Ship. It is a Sea Cobra. They were still often referred to as Super Cobras more but they have some changes compared to what the Army got. They had a different canopy to give a wider range of visibility and reduce glare from the oceans water. The optics for the gatling gun was tunes to deal with daytime sun glare and night time moon glare in the ocean. The armament mounts were also a bit different. The little stub wings that armorment gets attached to were a bit longer than an Army bird to hold more and awkwardly shaped items. They also allowed the stub wings to hold chain belt ammo for M60 machine guns inside them to add firepower in addition to the chin mount gatling gun. When encountering pirates off Somalia or Yemen there is a need for more cannon or gun ammo than needed against land based targets. The longer stub wings also allow the Sea Cobra to not just fire air to air and air to ground missiles but they had a special deep run torpedo that they could launch as well for trying to hit a ship under its keel. They also had small depth charges made to be dropped for anti submarine duty. They needed the Marine Corp to not only be able to support the troops landing on a beach but to support the LSD a d LHD ships they get assigned to. They can act as protection for Naval and Marine Landing vessels more effectively than a Harrier or the new F35.
Negative, this is not a Sea Cobra...it is a AH-1G modified to a S model and being restored back to its G model US Army gunship configuration
Ahhh, I wish I knew you were coming back! I'd have brought the family to see you!
I think when we are talking about something like a museum ship, such as New Jersey, restoration is more important. Reason being, she sat out in the mothball fleet for some time before being donated, receiving minimal maintenance, and likely stripped of various parts the USN needed. So as delivered not anywhere near how she would have been in any of her commissions. So I feel its almost a disservice to simply preserve it as-is, since that's not how a single sailor sailed her.
However, had the ship been sunk either by enemy action or target practice, and we only had say a single turret that had been raised. Id say its important to conserve that as it is, showing all of the damage done to it.
I would say: 1) Restoration first... great segment. 2) Preservation then Conservation
My uncle Ludwig was on the Lionfish and a few tenders in WWII.
Battleship Cove is neat to visit. It’s real chill and you have multiple ships to visit. The SoDaks are neat to compare to the Iowa’s and are somewhat similar. The JPK Destroyer and PT boat collection is great too. It’s definitely worth a visit, it’s only about 30mins drive from Providence RI
I believe it is an equal division to all three. I realize that that doesn't necessarily mean an equal amount of money. That's for someone well above my paygrade to determine.
I remember the Mary Rose had to be misted with a special solution for years to keep her from rotting any further. Talk about a time capsule. As far as I know, they are still learning from what they found aboard her.
Is there a book of museum ships and location and what each location offers? Where can I get one and if not why hasn’t someone done it thanks for any info
Hnsa.org has it all!
well, obviously preservation comes first- if you don't or can't keep up with it, you're losing your artifact, no matter if it'S a BB or an ancient temple. restoration is something quite important, cause it enhances what you have. conservation of relics like that PT boat is probably very important (esp if something like the Vaasa or the Mary Rose is involved, which are unique) and it offers an insight not easily gained otherwise.
All three methods have their place. I guess it would be a lot easier if ships went from active life to museum right away without first being mothballed, stripped for parts and sitting around for a while until they are old enough to be called historic.
I don't know what the majority of museum visitors is after. See the ship as it would have appeared in its prime or see the remains of the ship showing all of its history? A lot probably depends on what kind of ship it is or in which state it is. And the worst would be to apply a one-and-only-true procedure for all artifacts. I enjoyed seeing Cutty Sark wonderfully restored as much as I enjoyed Edwin Fox showing all the evidence of the abuse she's been through. Likewise I fell in love with a locomotive that stood in the museum all scratched, dented and rusty.
A while ago, I bought a vintage motorcycle in rather bad shape, and meant to restore it to former glory, but after giving her a good wash-down, I changed my mind and just got the technology running again, preserving the patina.
Meanwhile, I work for a company that's restoring historic buildings (not so many ships around here in Bavaria), and I've been to a building that used to be a baroque church. After the secularization, the spires and choir were demolished and the knave became home to a brewery (did I mention this is Bavaria?). They brutally cut through the vaulted ceiling to install some of the more ungainly of equipment. Whatever of stucco and ceiling paintings wasn't in the way simply was ignored, fell off or didn't, paintings were weirdly discoloured (one became pure nightmare-fuel), possibly by alcoholic fumes. Around 1915, the whole brewery equipment was removed and the place abandoned, although the outside was maintained neatly, since it is integral to a larger monastery complex. After the second world war, the building housed refugees, who added a variety of graffiti, one clearly showing a Messerschmitt 262 jet-fighter. In this case, the work was limited to cleaning and securing loose bits of stucco, so the ruin can be made accessible to the public. I would really be sorry if this mess would be restored to its former baroque glory.
Preservation would be most important in my thoughts. It is a huge task just to preserve the ships. Restoration is great but should be second to preservation. How are the new floors in the destroyer coming out?
Hey Ryan, I love the content! Could you consider doing a video on how the Battleship Texas drydock work, and drydock work in general, fits the categories preservation, restoration, and conservation?
I think all three are equally important. Restoration, Preservation, Conservation.
Hornet CV-12 has a 5in 38 practice loader in the foc’sle.
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You worked on the USS Torsk? I spent the night on it several times in 1972 - my step father was chief of the boat when it was the Navy Yard at Bolling AFB - it was getting turned into a museum ship and my step father was an electrician’s mate
I must have been 14
All of the above.
Preservation first
Really cool to see that Huey. However there was a lot of background noise during that recording. Couldn't quite make it out, but it sounded like someone saying "it ain't me" over and over.
The lionfish is still being worked on
Do you have any plans to visit Hunley or Monitor?
"whats more important; restoration, preservation. and conservation?" - YES!
conservation question; ive got an m1 helmet liner made out of cardboard with rayon webbing. the snaps (which i think are aluminum) are corroding to the point of shedding flecks of "rust" onto the shelf. is there anything i can spray on them that will stop the corrosion without hurting the surrounding webbing and liner shell?
I know it it’s been said before but I enjoy the museumey type content
The Lionfish was a mess when I saw it a year ago. (not bashing the volunteers as they are probably doing the best they can). I’d volunteer there if I lived closer.
I think a balance of the three is important.
I meant to get there this year to see their new Vietnam exhibit, but never did.
All three, if the man power and money allow.
Dan Quigg there might be one on the West Coast .
I don’t think you can pick one of the three as most important because the answer is always going vary depending upon the artifact, it’s condition, it’s historical value and what you hope to accomplish.
Let’s look at NJ’s teak deck as an example. Obviously the original teak deck from WWII has great historical significance. That’s something you would want to save if at all possible. But if it’s condition is such that it can’t be saved without other extreme measures like building a structure over it or prohibiting guests from walking on it then clearly replacement and restoration are in order. Now if the section of the deck in question was replaced in the 90’s and isn’t part of the original fabric of the ship replacement if required is in my view much easier.
Or lets take PT-59. This is clearly a focus on conservation and preservation. There isn’t enough original fabric left to restore her to her wartime configuration. Doing so would be an excercise in building a replica really. So you preserve what you have left and find a way to display that because then what people really are seeing is the remnants of Kennedy’s last command.
That Huey looks like one of the fifty UH-1B which were procured by the CIA during the "advisory" period in Vietnam for use in a field trial of its effectiveness. Michael Paine, an engineer at Bell and the stepson of Arthur Young who invented the flybar rotor system used on Bell helicopters for many years, was in S.E. Asia supporting the program at the time of the assassination of JFK when Marina Oswald was renting a room from his wife, Ruth Paine, in Dallas. Just one of those odd historical coincidences.
In betwwen the 1st and 2nd bit of the vid there seems to be some missing context on where ryan is
Would you consider USS Cairo to be a museum ship or a ship in a museum?
edit: Or do you hold no distinction between those two?
I. Think all areas covcevation and prevation and restoration is important
Would you do a video on the uss texas progress?
Coming soon! However, they do have a great channel of their own with regular updates!
Awesome! Is it dog friendly? Beagles got to sniff everything.
Are you going to go to Battleship Texas at some point?
Soon!
I think museums should be partaking in midget bowling when there's nothing else going on
I heard that there’s a group trying to get the Texas moved to battleship cove. I personally don’t like the idea. Your thoughts?
That's not going to happen. I don't know where you heard that, but no.
@@BattleshipNewJersey good. She belongs in Texas. I would like to see her in sea wolf park though
What is shown at the 2:57 mark?
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Which is most important?
Aaaaa.....Yes? !:-)
13:01 PT59? Is that the same design as PT-109?
No, 59 is a 77' Elco while 109 was a 80' boat. The only 80' Elco on display in the world is at BBCove right now
@@jpkdd850 So, just human error as we all do.
Did they ever find both halves of PT-109?
A Higgins and an Elco
@@ProperLogicalDebate error?
@@jpkdd850 I thought he was talking about JFK's PT-59 instead of 109.
An hour and change away(in MA) and I haven't been since '77. Shame on me.
There is only one new jersey. Long live BB62 and her sisters.
museums are all delicate balancing act between restoration conservation and preservation. you cant put one out front of the other as it will degrade the overall collection
Kennedy's drones..... lets talk about the Heligoland Raids Operation Aphrodite :]
PT-59 FTW I really really wanna come out to the west coast and visit you guys and battleship cove and i guess ill go to new york..... if time allows.......
USS Fall Riverine service less then 2 years and retire she only had one Captain what a waste of a fine ship
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I dont know, I think its important to stay in your lane, let ship guys do the ships, let the airplane guys do the aircraft, let the tank guys do the tanks. beware of mission creep.
Anyone who wears a belt like ryan is not a professional