Part Two: Elizabeth Holmes: The CEO Who Treated Your Blood Like a Phone | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
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Part Two: Elizabeth Holmes: The CEO Who Treated Your Blood Like a Phone | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
If you watch any documentaries about Holmes, or read much of the more sensational coverage about her life, you are left with a question: how did she trick so many prominent, intelligent people into believing her smoke and mirrors were real, functioning technology? In Part Two, Robert is joined again by Jamie Loftus and they examine this question and continue to discuss Elizabeth Holmes.
Original Air Date: April 4, 2019
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"I wish beer was thicker" You would have LOVED ancient Mesopotamia
CUBE YOUR SHIT, MIKE!!
Sophie laughing in the background makes me enjoy BtB about 16% more.
Holmes: "I drink this vegetable juice because I don't need coffee, it's unhealthy!"
also Holmes: "Also, I crush and snort chocolate covered coffee beans because my cocaine habit isn't socially acceptable."
The thing to me isn't that she'd pitch her voice down though it's pretty fake from the get go, it's that she constantly sounds like she's about to throw up. Like, that rhythm and way of speaking you go into when you're on the way to the toilet/sink/random spot and needing to tell someone why whilst fighting your gag reflex.
Just. Stopping. Not saying. More than, maybe. Two or three. Words. At a time. Very, staccato. And very, awkward.
On the whole voice thing, I think you are 100% right on the idea that it’s just something women have to do when trying to meaningfully engage with men in certain spaces, but I think it goes even further than that, because
I’m a man, and my voice modulate a lot but even I find myself speaking deeper and almost putting on a “dude voice” and language when engaging with certain other men in certain areas
It’s the fucked idea of masculinity that you need to meet if you wanna be taken seriously
i have noticed that to most women, holmes' schtick is extremely transparent. it is i think interesting that straight older men fell for it so easily
That can be a tricky statement to make. There's a lot of tearing down and backbiting with women when it comes to certain kinds of perceived success, potentially because of internalised sexism.
I don't think you're wrong, just that it's a tricky rule of thumb.
@@evelyncarr6421 i agree. Just prima facie what I know of this case, based on the podcast, the show and this btb ep it seems like that in this case. There was that female professor she had initially taken the idea to and she saw right through it. Ofc part of it is probably that there's an under-representation of women in VC circles
@@evelyncarr6421 on the flip side, many women will not spot Holmes' scam because they were so eager to see a blow being struck at the "patriarchy". The narrative is more important than the truth and the public's safety. The irony is that is Holmes acted like a man when people thought she was legit (sitting while crossing her legs on her lap, the deep baritone voice, etc) and resort to acting as a female victim to avoid facing the music.
Holmes is so clearly straining her voice when she’s speaking at that deep of a pitch. She’s genuinely harming her voice by doing that.
I'm so confused why you'd do this if you felt your voice needed to be deeper for whatever reason. Voice training exists, guys. (It's not just for trans people.)
It's also the most grating thing I've ever heard
I also hate that cadence...lots of...pauses for...gravitas...just seems...disingenuous to me
Welp, now she's in a minimum-security resort for the next 9-11 years.
And the only reason she's in prison at all versus the Sackler family literally being responsible for the deaths and addiction of hundreds of thousands is because Holmes swindled government officials.
10:05 while you can be a feminist/feminist ally and be a bad person (and you can be a feminist/feminist ally and be bad at feminism), and that's probably what Joss Whedon counts as - it seems important to note that people don't just think he's a hypocrite/fake feminist because of his infidelity.
Joss Whedon has a number of sexual misconduct allegations against him, as well as allegations that he just created an incredibly hostile work environment on a number of projects, and verbally/emotionally abused a lot of actors and writers, especially female employees. A lot of his bullying seemed to target women working for him in particular.
He was also (allegedly) pretty racist/xenophobic and verbally abusive toward Ray Fisher and Gal Gadot during the "Justice League" film production. Ray Fisher in particular suffered a lot of career damage from being young and black and pissing Whedon off/trying to call out racism. (He claimed Gadot "misunderstood" him after she reported he'd threatened to destroy her career, because "English isn't her first language." Hence the xenophobia I mentioned.)
So when people call Joss Whedon a fake feminist or whatever, that's probably more what they're talking about, rather than just his infidelity (although that may be part of it for them, too).
(Allegedly there was even a rule/policy developed that one of the "Buffy" actresses (who was underage at the time) should never be alone in a room with Whedon, for her own safety.)
TL;DR - it's not just that Joss Whedon cheated on his wife, it's also that he's allegedly a sexual predator and an abusive boss (as well as allegedly emotionally abusive in a few romantic relationships, though I don't think his ex-wife ever claimed that).
(Also, poor Ray Fisher. He really got screwed, it seems like.)
Alexa, don't. Just punch a naz¡.
“I was just gonna dump my Diva cup on Steve job’s grave” “that sounds like a good road trip”
Now I would watch the shit out of that Steve jobs road trip movie
It’s like she’s doing an Elon Musk impression with her voice
“Steve Jobes”
even in the Code Monkeys show The Woz is a big sweetie
Played warhammer, gamer nerd, wierd (boarderng on fedish) knife collection, and LIKES cold temperatures! A man after my own heart.
"I didn't think this 19 year old could start a medical company, but then I learned she comes from proper aristocratic pedigree..."
How to steal and sell blood? Some blood is valuable… all blood is for desert
You're hurtful Rob. - Chad
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And she's now in jail for how long now?
I've never understood the whole deliberately trying to pitch her voice down thing. As a woman who does legitimately have a very deep voice (to the point where people comment on it) for a woman, listening to her strain to pitch her voice somewhere that doesn't even approach my voice's pitch... I have to assume it works in part because it's obvious she's doing it on purpose. People actually Don't react positively to women with deep voices, so I guess the fact that she does it so blatantly made it seem pathetic enough to gain her sine sympathy credit instead of just being ridiculed like women with actually deep voices lmfao
I'm really here for the Steve Jobs hate. Not enough people wanna talk about what a tool he was.
Holmes pitched her voice down, and I hate it.