StarCraft 2: PROTOSS Macro Cycle, How to Scout, Having Safe Leads | PART 2 Bronze to GM Series B2GM
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2024
- In Part 2 of this Protoss Bronze to GM Series, we build upon our skills from Part 1 Bronze League and add in understanding of what is a macro cycle, how do we know what is a safe lead against our opponent, how to scout + more.
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0:00 Intro
0:44 Game 1 vs Random (Zerg)
9:43 Game 2 vs Protoss
31:15 Game 3 vs Random (Protoss)
42:31 Game 4 vs Random (Terran)
54:31 Game 5 vs Terran
1:07:37 Game 6 vs Zerg
1:19:00 Game 7 vs Terran
1:30:54 Game 8 vs Zerg
1:53:26 Game 9 vs Terran
2:05:07 Game 10 vs Protoss
2:15:37 Game 11 vs Terran
2:30:58 Game 12 vs Protoss
2:46:45 Game 13 vs Protoss
2:59:40 Game 14 vs Terran
3:19:09 Game 15 vs Protoss
3:29:05 Hitting Gold!
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Really excited about this series. I started SC2 near the start of the pandemic and played Gold league Protoss after watching Harstem videos. Fell in love with your Zerg B2GM and got all the way up to Diamond 2. Halfway through your Terran series and already at the top of Plat. It feels full circle coming back to Protoss and with your last video's build I'm already up to Plat 2. Now I have assembled all my Infinity stones and become a true shitlord Random main
GJ!
My goal this season is to get diamond 2 random and masters 3 Terran. Random goal I thought was going to be hard because of how long it took me to get decent at Terran, but this is expediting it for sure.
random main is IQ>>>>
@@PiGCoaching Thank you for making these videos.
@@PiGCoaching are you playing elder scrolls online soundtrack I recognise it but I was unsure or is it the game haha I never heard it in game before? btw ty for this serious this has helped me a lot to get better!
Gotta say PiG, as someone who spends a bunch of time training ppl as part of my job, you are an excellent teacher! I don't play SC2 nearly enough to ever make GM, but you have made my matches soooooo much more fun with this series. I'm even thinking seriously about trying out the Core because it just looks like so much wonderfully geeky fun, and has that fantastic wow factor for my LAN party invitees =D (sometimes it's not about whether you win or lose, it's how much you can make your friends shake their heads at you, amiright?). Thanks for making this longtime favorite game of mine even more fun!
This series has been extremely helpful for me as a player returning after 10+ years. Thank you for making it and putting 110% into it even though it wasn't something you wanted to do.
Hey, after hanging mostly in bronze-silver leaguae as terran since the start of SC2... I changed race a week ago to protoss. Yesterday started watching your series; did a new leagueplacement, won all matches and now in platinum ;-). Thank you for an excellent guide, and also so less stressfull now. Mostly gonna try keep this build in 2v2; hope it will work out there as well. Cheers from Sweden!
I decided to pick up this game a little bit more seriously so I could play with my friend that always wass waaaaaaaaaay better than me.
This is helping to close that gap so tremendously fast that I have to thank you, PiG.
Thank you, really. Excelent job you did on this series.
I'm sorry you disliked making this series, but if it makes you feel any better it is the third such series I have watched and the first one that has actually helped me advance (only to Silver so far, but I contiue to win more than half my games). So thank you, you wonderful human xx
1:57:00 was really insightful for me. I knew probes can walk through units if you click them to mine when I noticed that's how they work going through my hold zealot in the wall, but I never thought of doing that as an offensive move.
Hey, I really enjoy this series. As a bronze player its nice to see the things I can ignore for the time being. So as much as you disliked doing it I find it really useful.
Hey PiG! Thanks so much for these videos. I started playing SC2 in 2010 when I started college. Life got busy and it wasn't until the 2 years after the pandemic started that I thought about sc2 again. Really cool that you're doing this as I've never learned the proper mechanics. I've wondered how pro's structure their playing and your videos gives a lot of insight. I'm playing for fun, though I wouldn't mind to land in GM one day!
welcome back to sc!
Yay I am sooooo stoked you are doing the Protoss version of this !! Thank you Pig for all your content. We truly do love and appreciate it 🙏
Series is great so far. I went through Vibe's B2GM and have made it to platinum. I like the way you build off a two base timing attack. Feels more active on the map and it's good learning the units like sentry and prism early. All your content is fantastic so thanks (from a fellow Australian)!!
I am an older player and new to starcraft. absolutely love this game it reminds me of the original versions of warcraft. Anyway thank you so much you made me go from noob to decent in like a day.
I’ve been watching gsl lately and haven’t played starcraft seriously since 2016. The landscape has changed a lot with the expansions being so quick. Seeing your build and series has motivated me to play again. So, thank you for doing these.
Since you mentioned it’s the last time you do this, I at least hope you’re able to still share builds for each matchup.
Welcome back mate! I actually have a new free-range B2GM for Protoss I've been doing recently: th-cam.com/play/PLOrKQEirgvjCQ6jqwTI48TsG8G-kFJ0Vf.html
Love this series. Winning games at 3250 mmr using these builds. Really helpful to have such a simple framework like this to practice a variety of skills one at a time!
Thanks for doing this PIG, you are by far my favourite SC2 coach/commentator. I have been waiting for these series, it is time for me getting out of gold league. :D
I feel like you are unique amongst a lot of educational content surrounding competitive games in that you really lean into the fact that yes, this is a complex game, but that doesn’t mean you should be scared of it at all, and everyone can get good at it. The positive reinforcement and the super digestible teaching style mean that I think you are truly one of the best gaming educators on TH-cam. Thanks for the content man. :)
Thank you man, I really learning and evolving from your videos and I really understand what you are teaching. Keep it up!
thank you from the bottom of my heart for the help, without you I was thinking that learning a build up to 170 probs was knowing how to play, but doing it step by step and letting me automate little by little as you teach was rewarding. Now that I think I know something, every day I warm up the build against bots and practice hotkeys and go ranked after, because it's no use knowing the build and not playing and going through every sad but deserved defeat. I don't want to be the best but feel that every effort is working, the most frustrating moment was facing the reality that everything I trained for 1 week was in vain because I only knew the macro. (I have 15 game days and I started with zerg in January but I had to stop, I came back these days). After watching 2 videos of yours I learned 1 build and 2 variations (which I memorized so far) and I have 3200 MMR. Thanks again, for some it's useless, but since I'm without a job (by choice), seeing that each dedicated day brought results that improved my day and I even got my wife to play. And of course the game helped change things in my personal life. sorry for english google ;V
On game three some really useful info on what to do when your attack fails thanks so much by far the best StarCraft TH-camr
Waited the whole week to see this video! PiG is legend :)
Let's go! Been watching the others while waiting for protoss
I appreciate these videos. I've watched replays and try to learn control groups, counters, etc but it takes much more to learn. This really showed the problems with my build orders. I have a pretty solid 4 gate one base all in, but I kept trying to use the same build for all games and it really hinders production. I watched the gold one already but I'm coming back to learn the stuff I missed. Great job!
glad to hear its helping, thanks mate!
What an entertaining series ⭐️ you are such an incredible teacher 🤍🤍 Keep up the good vibes 💕
Thank you for the kind words and donation, Tamir! Very much appreciated mate
I was put on Master league this season, idk how... just started playing again after like 6 years away. Followed your build and had some fundamentals from BW and worked well. Thanks!
@1:26:30 i am SO attacked right now 😂😂😂👌
I watched the first video in your guide to learn to play Protoss and after a few games I'm already beating people! The most notable match was a Zerg player using nydus wurms and lurkers to try and cheese me but an emergency recall after destroying their base got me the win pretty easily!
I'm a pretty average zerg player (3k), I decided to try playing Protoss for some fun (sing the 2-base build) and I reached my zerg MMR In 4 hours haha! Thanks great video and super useful.
If you want to improve your Zerg, I've got the B2GM playlist for it on my other channel: th-cam.com/play/PLFUDU8AOevUd6ej64SOB429mHyuRL-XC9.html
If you don't like going against people on the ladder, you could ask your subs and play against them. You probably have subs on the whole spectrum of the ladder.
PIG thanks for your videos they have helped me a lot ive played since starcraft 1 and im old now lol. I just recently re installed this game it changed a lot but with your tuts i was able to pick up where i left off in no time. Where i am having a lot of trouble is when players start hitting my mineral line by surprise and all my stalkers are at the entrance of my base by the time i react i start losing track of everything and then once i am finaly able to recover a little they do it again . :( but thank you for all your videos
2:50 lmao the face at the zergs
Being offended is such a plague man. Being offended hurts you more than the person that "offended" you. Some 'high' level psychology alot people cant seem to grasp xD
This has been great PiG. My first RTS experience. Have felt i have actually made progress for your vids.
so incredibly helpful
I've never played sc2 until two weeks ago. After practicing the build order with AI a bunch of times, I placed straight into gold on ranked. Can confirm your video was incredibly useful to a total noob.
I´m impressed how after 2 years of not playing starcraft and never playing protoss before in my life except campaign, i managed to hit plat 3 with this build as a guideline, in a few hours
There's a dude in chat named MonoidalCategory. I can never escape the fact the a monad is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors.
This was sooo good. I borrowed the build and Im laddering fast!
I started after 10 years and I am gold after a few days thanks to this guide. I was never a good rts player. I already see some bad habits like not using hot keys properly, lots of mouse still probably because I always played fps and not used to so much keyboard shuffling
Glad to hear it! We all learn just one step at a time and slowly building muscle memory will make the game way smoother to play. Gl hf on the ladder yo
I wish Viagra would have offered to sponsor this video. That could have been the ultimate anti-flex troll that this world would most assuredly not have been ready for.
I get that side of being upset but then again....this is informative content, its to help others improve..its not like youre going into these games tryharding and just shitting on them for no reason, you actually talk through stuff and help others understand game state.
I use my warpgate hotkey also as control group for warp gates and dump them as soon as warp upgrade finishes.
Thanks!
ty so much for the support Clark!
watched the first 2 episodes of this series. played against a bot to get the build roughly down (still really bad at it) and then played ranked and got placed plat 2. played starcraft like 10 years ago and was silver
hey pig i changed race from zerg to toss,and i have camera hotkeys to set on f5 f6 f7 f8 and to go to the location Q W E mouseleft
after changing to toss, the warp gates get the hotkey W automatically. any tips for some comfy hotkey to fix it?
Would it be valid to stick to the collosus build you showed, but substitute the collosus for immortals depending on what the observer sees? Seems like a slightly simpler build, and as a new player that may let me focus more on the macro
Not dogging, trying to learn
34:00 Failed cannon rush now lets find out if the opponent dubbles down and put themselfs even further behind with 4 cannons back home.
36:04 WOW 3 gate and 3 robos of 1 base good luck producing out of all of that. Atleast there was no cannon spam.
Very nice series dude, thanks for explaining all this!!!
One question though, why do you mine with the scouting probe before you build the first gateway?
i know this is an old comment, but it's just so the probe has something to do rather than just idling.
@@jibbmng aww man thanks for replying, rather late than never, right? But assuming the probe dies when scouting which is almost certain. Won't that cost 5 minerals extra for that?
@@CihanTasd maybe, but by the time you're mining out your natural that 5 minerals lost won't really matter. Also, the scouting probe having some minerals makes running it home very easy if you ever do that - you just need to press return cargo and it'll run home.
@@jibbmng That's true! Thanks for taking the time to explain
@@cihant4974 ofc! yw ^^
MORE PLEASE MORE :D
are you supposed to warp-in just as each warpgate comes off of CD to maximize efficiency? or letting them hang un-used for a while is considered okay?
I always struggle to reach my F keys for camera locations, is there anything else I can use to hotkey them?
I'd like to see a game where you do this and then lose to a rush and explain why or what we should do in that scenario when using these kinds of builds - Can we theoretically stop any rush with a few gateway units and a shield battery? How bullet proof is this build or any build for that matter, does that even exist? Genuinly i dont know any better, so im really curious.
Wait i don’t think i have return cargo option on my sc2, do i have to set that up?
I had a pro tell me that using my razor Naga was a waste of time but I’ve used them for so many years and can still get around 500ish apm… should I take it to heart and learn the grid or stay how I am?
Love the morrowind backround music
I had major anxiety watching the first game hahaha
At 1:41:18, why colossus and not storm? Storm is going to be out much earlier since you already have the Templar Archives.
I tried building the same build order in Silver 2, having very similar attack.
But 2 games in a row I encounter Terran with Battleship. They crush my army without taking damage.
1st game lasted over 20 minutes, and I eventually made Carriers with +1/+1 upgrades.
Then my 8 carriers met 9 battleships. I tried kiting my carriers while my interceptors fighted, but the battleships litterally didnt take any damge, so I eventlually lost all my carriers, while he didnt lose any Battleships, even tho I kited and tried focusing 1 by1.
2 Games in a row I lost to immortal Battleships from Terran. Litterally 8 Battleships took out everything I had.
I had 60k rescources whle my enemy had 31k. I had over 300 unites, while he had under 100. He won.
Battleships solo crushed me. He teleported the Battleships once they where in danger, and teleported them into my base when I was going for a attack.
Absolutely broken, that 8 battleships can win over 30 stalkers, or a army full of archons, stalkers, immortals and zelots. It was not even close.
How do I counter Battleships? it does not matter how big my army is. The take litterally 0 damage from Carriers. Litterally 0. I focused 1 Battleships with over 20 interceptors. It didnt take damage.
Void rays
You need to spend all that money you have and get superior production. Carriers are terrifying when their interceptor numbers and the carrier numbers get high, but they are bad if there are less than 12. Void rays also counter Battlecruisers very well.
I think one of his points in this series is that you should be timing an attack off of your 2 base saturation. It shouldn't be possible for a Terran to get to a critical mass of battlecrusiers by the time your push is hitting and you'll wipe someone out that's pushing to very high tech units. If your push is coming too late, that probably means you're making macro mistakes and just keep practicing the tips he's giving in the series.
I was plat 3 before watching this, I left the league, played an entire day of just doing this build I'm diamond 3 in one day. What do i do now? Only thing i adapted was using the colossus variant vs terran. Can prove with screenshots etc
you make look it a lot easyer... ahahah . As a new player is difficult for my avoid the rush, but i like this build i will practice it. you suggest to start practice in vs A.I. mode or immidiatly pvp mode?
if you've never played before, you can try the build vs AI a few times just to get familar with it then try it on the ladder against real people
hi i have just started playing starcraft 2 and i want to know if this build order is still viable?
thanks for showing protoss players how to actually play the game. Most poeple on ladder just roll their walls over the keyboard
@pigcoaching are you playing elder scrolls online soundtrack I recognise it but I was unsure or is it the game haha I never heard it in game before? btw ty for this serious this has helped me a lot to get better!
morrowind OST ftw!
haha thank you for the reply I thought is was elder scrolls!
I watch your videos all the time at night I like learning from them they have really helped me out!@@PiGCoaching
Game 8 Zerg is definitely not a silver player. But that was really fun.
Same thought. Yesterday I was matched up against 3500 while slowly climbing the ranks from 1500. I was totally surprised by his reaper harassment micro plus the base when I attacked, considering I assumed a bronze player. So I guess the Zerg was at least upper platinum.
"Thanks the lord, he's going to use guardian shield !" Nope, not today...
We're supposed to breathe while we do the build order? That might be helpful.
1:26:50 Good spot for some Hallucinations
I fuck up just the start of this game, LOL It's been that long since I played the game and I mained Terran playing Toss is different
How do you add all of your gates on the same control group?
While they are builing: Ctrl + click orjust double click on Gateway and after that: Shift + 5 (this adds the selection to group 5)
Finally! I liked your Zerg and Terran series... But they are not Protoss
Save for myself: 2:31:00.
I used this build in 4 of my 5 qualifying games and got diamond 3. Now what's next?
I'm in diamond league but still want to watch this 😂
Game8 when he attacked and brake through, it looks funny as ur gameplay changed from "relaxed silver player" to way faster higher player, i think i would lost there for sure
hard to control the muscle memory in those moments :P
@@PiGCoaching i can understand 😂
Idk if I’m being to inpatient but when is M3 comming out? I’m super excited to watch your incredible advice and wisdom to help me improve!
Me too, there are a slew of Terran builds (like early battle cruisers) that I felt necessitated a stargate, and an opponent that flew his command center to a corner :/
@@theneotony I didn’t watch the video, where there allot of BC openers?
@@AD-lr6pc It's what I've encountered on ladder! Should have made that clear.
@@theneotony yeah just get tempests once u scout the BC, blink stalkers should be enough to hold the first few battlcruisers to give time to transition to skytoss
what is M3?
only problem I face with this build are cloaked harass units as minedrops and dts that make me lose. mostly because the enemy got ahead after I lost a bunch of probes
I know this is an old video, but I'm still wondering; Why does it matter so much that the Nexus camera is exactly on it? I mean, isen't close enough, good enough? :S
Because you want to be able to jump to the base and have everything in very consistent locations. If your mineral line, nexus etc are always in the exact same spot you can look away and be watching the minimap and your hands can just go through the motions using muscle memory. Creating consistency in such a hectic game like SC2 so you can develop muscle memory is what takes the game from chaotic/stressful to Organised/Focus
@@PiGCoaching likely something I'm missing, I think you even mention it at some point (after I made that comment), that we might not like or see the point in it, but you really enjoy it.
I'm thinking this is mostly important for something I don't yet understand xD. I'm not to good at adding the Nexus to my hotkeys yet either, but I'll keep practicing! Army and gates I've had on numbers since forever, before seeing your videos as well, just made sense to me :).
I also got to say, that I understand from watching this, that you didn't really wanna make this, but I'm so happy that you did anyways, I'm learning so much and I'm really grateful for that, making the game manageable in other things than playing the computer, so thank you :D.
take a shot everytime he says "guys" you wont make it a minute XD
Wow dude. Just wow. I never played SC 2 in my life, I watched first video of this series, played like 10 matches against AI and then qualified GOLD 2 in ranked. Am i f**d up now? )
welcome to starcraft! enjoy the ride mate, you'll lose some win some :)
Really love it but they criss my in bronce.. I completely new I must say, but any way, in bronce they fome with very sofisticated builds
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PIG would you coach me please how do I get lessons from you or more help? Thanks
Show Dao on those 2015 strats in game 10 lol
why are you upgrading armor instead of shields?
cheaper and a lot of units like zealots/immortals are 2/3 HP and only 1/3 shields.
Poor pumba.
I think bronze to GM is a good learning tool. For me at least.
2:43:15 can anybody explain to me what is the "core" subject mentioned here? As I don't get what's inefficient and what is this all about. Thanks in advance.
thecore is a hotkey layout. Can be found on team liquid site. It's so awesome. Took me a month to learn years back and I never came back to standard. It's too good
Game 8 is crazy... opponent apm > 200
Protoss is confusing, I wanted to play a slower APM race but I think that protoss might me too big brain for me.
Terran seems to be more APM intensive but requires less brainpower to macro and operate.
As for Zerg screw larva injection and creep spread... Just eww that's gross.
haha you're kinda right. Protoss is definitely the very flexible and a bit more "adjusting to the situation" race
What's "the core"
It's a keyboard/hotkey layout where you put your left hand in the centre of the keyboard
mass immortal would have shut that down at the front
4:05 'You guys know I'm a bit anal about my positioning'
That baneling bust is silver level, sure and I am queen Elizabeth the third
The game. Where pig uses the sentries.. against the terran. Liiiike. Holding a lil kids head while hes trying to swing on u.. i just wanted to say, thats not an end all be all. Yes, it is good. Force fields, sentries in general honestly. Like, very solid unit when used properly. Like me personally. I love infestors against almost everything. But ya, ive seen a harstem vid where harstem does the same thing.. but hes playing against the kid... Clem. And clem just scoops up his units that got seperated with medivacs.. and brings them around with boost to the main.. fuggin sc2.. SOOO SWEATY!! GIT GOOD BOYZ!!
Bad diamond player here. And even watching your bronze and silver videos tells me why I’m a bad diamond player. And I think the only reason I got to diamond was because of the amount of games I’ve played and scenarios I understand.
IMO: your coaching is awesome. And your “meta” talk for us baddies is great but maybe emphasize on the fact.. us baddies will lose these games. It took “pig” loosing 100 games to understand it’s okay for bad Terran aggression to finish the build. You (us baddies) will lose these fights and the only reason why you’re( pig) beating these silver/golds is because you “understand “ the situation and you’re an fing GM.
These videos are inspiring. And I hate the talk of you not doing another GM to master. If one Smurf ruins your entire gaming experience… StarCraft isn’t for you.
“Bronze to master”
@1:59:20 I hear you getting crap from the Twitch chat.... F those bastages.... Yeah, would be doable for him to get a group of people together for a custom game but that honestly wouldn't "prove" a "bronze to GM" type of video(s). It would only be concepts. This is ACTUAL people on the bronze/silver/gold ladder that are literally trying.
Is @PiG stealing MMR from lower level players? Yeah but... in this game... they should just take his advice and review the replay and improve!!!
Point being... There is ZERO reason to get mad at PiG for beating up on lower level peeps. Its really only a few games total... less than 10 I think before gold.... Its not like hes constantly down there in the lower ranks beating up on newer/worse players.
Just my 2 cents.
Is this still relevant today?
Yep 100% solid today
this build now is a dogshit
It's still super solid, you're just not doing it right. Check your benchmarks. Are you also having charge, immortals, archons and at least 105 supply hitting the enemy by 8:00? If not, you're not doing the build right
really appreciated the contend, but the amount of times you say "advanced" and brag about your "pro moves" makes this unwatchable. The drone pull f.e. , where u mineral walk the probes in position before attacking, is a f*** great tip, but you are just to full with yourself to appreciate it....
I think it's more to explain to people that they won't perform at the same level, or react as quickly as he is and to not expect themselves to. I think anyway, I don't think he is stroking his own smurf-boner
Exactly Alex. People new to the game want to emulate everything you do, you have to make sure they know what is expected at their level and what's not
Pig is an actual pro player. This guide is for people who are in bronze ect. I'm in diamond and it doesn't bother me. If I can do it, I will. Chances are I already can/do. However everyone is mechanically limited, even GMs, so it's important to be efficient. The bronze/silver player who is more mechanically limited will prolly take longer to execute it than it's worth and developing muscle memory is more important. This guys prolly the least full of himself doing this type of content.
I wish I was a starcraft savant lol
Lmao he said hundreds of thousands of hours for muscle memory