And now back to versus, did I plan to do two Monarchist ones back to back? No. It just turned out that way. But I did plan to do this last week as this came second in it's poll. But in experimenting with Shanxi I decided that was what I wanted to do next instead. Nevertheless here it is now.
Relying on the Hoi4 AI to do my fighting for me? No thanks, I'd rather spend those 70 day focuses on something more useful. Realistically you aren't going to get any useful allies from Miedzymorze anyways, the best option is ITALY and even if you beat Germany to the invitation they'll almost always say no (unless you go facist, which falls outside the scope of this video). So you get what...Romania? Finland? Meh. Better to invade and puppet them if you want AI """support""", that way you at least get some industry out of it.
With regards to Lithuania, one useful strat is to do claim Livonia before reuniting the commonwealth. You can get up to war economy and extensive conscription while using puppet Poland as a beat stick against Latvia. Both trees are fun for a chill defensive game.
lithuanian path is better cuz 1) no war with germany -> easily focus on soviets and after that on germans 2) estonian cores 3) overall country buffs from the tree
@@gatzimitk u gotta do as both poland and lithuania but if u get lithuania puppet and germany demands memel, ur puppet will decline it and you'll get surprise war earlier than 39
I wonder how it feels going unhistorical AI playing as Poland when Lithuania raises monarchy sentiment. Also I like it how easy it is for Poland to go monarchy with no negative modifiers despite the country being extremely anti monarchist at the time... but I guess its hoi4 and hoi4 ppl obsess about monarchies 4 some reason
It's not like people were anti-monarchist. They were just indifferent and perhaps used to the republic which had been around for like 20 years already.
Sometimes when you do commonwealth as Lithuania (especially in non-historical games), Poland has their own king, and you can't do the commonwealth path
the thing is, the secret path for Poland is way better than both, and it gets you the same focuses wit the commonwealth, so there is little reason to do these.
Anastasia (or Wojtek, if you can be bothered) is the best Commonwealth monarch. Wargoals on the same states as the others, with the opportunity to take Slovakia as well, and the ability to core Russia once you're close to beating them. Her final traits aren't bad either.
her final trais are unlocked fairly early tbh, adter you get slovakia you just claim russian and sit on the wargoal, you get like -5 stab and 20% ppgain
@@aidenbooksmith2351 I know - that is the rational tought but emotions SCREAM Zaolzie. Also If I remember correctly back when NSB only just came out Poland could get Estonia cored with same focus as today Lithuania - Fun fact on old version no one plays nowadays
I like lithuanian one more because there is stronger paths for poland. but commonwealth is the most powerful lithuania and it feels good to grow from a little baltic nation to a superpower
Playing as Lithuania, taking "rejoin the railways" focus after annexing Livonia + Poland cores gives you +1 infrastructure to ALL of your provinces. Considering that you will never giving up Katowice to Germans and potentially get extra steels from Latvia and oils from Estonia, I think it's a powerful strats.
The best is polish romanov path, you can easily demand 🇱🇹 and then make it ur puppet, and after that doing focus restore commonwealth, so afterwards while doing else stuff u can core entire soviets
I feel like you're too strict on your comparison. If you're comparing monarchist path in the same national focus tree, then sure you should only compare the unique focuses between them. But if you're comparing two different countries who can do similar things, then you should absolutely be comparing what LIT and POL offer in the rest of their tree. Because as you say, the Commonwealth section is largely the same, the only difference being whether EST is cored or has ticking compliance. The same should be said if you're comparing which country is the best to form the European Union, or comparing whether POL or RUS has the best Slavic Union formable? The countries will be identical, so look at the rest of the focus trees, national spirits, decisions and events, even if they're not specific. So yes, you should absolutely bring up the differences like Forest Brothers or Lithuanian Paramilitarists or that you get the Danzig or War event if you're POL. (Really, that event should be tweaked to affect whoever owns Danzig and Gdynia, not just POL, but that's not relevant to this)
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And now back to versus, did I plan to do two Monarchist ones back to back? No. It just turned out that way. But I did plan to do this last week as this came second in it's poll. But in experimenting with Shanxi I decided that was what I wanted to do next instead. Nevertheless here it is now.
You're making me choose between the man with the biggest drip with a fantastic hat vs The Bear with a crown. An impossible task
Lithuania is the superior commonwealth monarch. He wears a funny hat!
I think access to Miedzemore makes Polish tree superior.
Im sorry ive played the game for about a month and dont know Miedzemore, what do they do?
@@theoldhermit2601 it makes you able to invite people to your faction with nation focuses. Its only in Polish focus tree.
Relying on the Hoi4 AI to do my fighting for me? No thanks, I'd rather spend those 70 day focuses on something more useful. Realistically you aren't going to get any useful allies from Miedzymorze anyways, the best option is ITALY and even if you beat Germany to the invitation they'll almost always say no (unless you go facist, which falls outside the scope of this video). So you get what...Romania? Finland? Meh. Better to invade and puppet them if you want AI """support""", that way you at least get some industry out of it.
@@Kandall05161 its not about fighting. Its about germany not putting %100 of it's army thus me ale to encirlcle them with pushes.
With regards to Lithuania, one useful strat is to do claim Livonia before reuniting the commonwealth. You can get up to war economy and extensive conscription while using puppet Poland as a beat stick against Latvia.
Both trees are fun for a chill defensive game.
lithuanian path is better cuz
1) no war with germany -> easily focus on soviets and after that on germans
2) estonian cores
3) overall country buffs from the tree
but no Zaolzie!
You can always concede to Germany until you beat the soviets. Danzig is not a world-ending loss.
@@highadmiralbittenfield9689 that's why its better, you dont even concede danzig!
But don‘t you have to concede memel?
@@gatzimitk u gotta do as both poland and lithuania but if u get lithuania puppet and germany demands memel, ur puppet will decline it and you'll get surprise war earlier than 39
I wonder how it feels going unhistorical AI playing as Poland when Lithuania raises monarchy sentiment.
Also I like it how easy it is for Poland to go monarchy with no negative modifiers despite the country being extremely anti monarchist at the time... but I guess its hoi4 and hoi4 ppl obsess about monarchies 4 some reason
The last polish dynasty extinguished in 16th century
if you also go for the commonwealth both of you gain wargoals against eachother.
It's not like people were anti-monarchist. They were just indifferent and perhaps used to the republic which had been around for like 20 years already.
Probabaly because it let's then declare war easier but not be the outright badguy like playing a fascist
Sometimes when you do commonwealth as Lithuania (especially in non-historical games), Poland has their own king, and you can't do the commonwealth path
the thing is, the secret path for Poland is way better than both, and it gets you the same focuses wit the commonwealth, so there is little reason to do these.
Cool idea, hope you make more videos like this
Poland has better focus tree for PLC , but Lithuanian King's Drip is 🤌🤌🤌
Anastasia (or Wojtek, if you can be bothered) is the best Commonwealth monarch. Wargoals on the same states as the others, with the opportunity to take Slovakia as well, and the ability to core Russia once you're close to beating them. Her final traits aren't bad either.
her final trais are unlocked fairly early tbh, adter you get slovakia you just claim russian and sit on the wargoal, you get like -5 stab and 20% ppgain
As Lithuania You don't get Zaolzie -1000/10
You keep danzig
@@Xictlii Danzig (Gdańsk) can always be reconquested but You loose (potential) core on Zaolzie wich is a tragedy
In exchange you get all of Estonia which has a pretty sweet focus tree and can be built up nicely
@@aidenbooksmith2351 I know - that is the rational tought but emotions SCREAM Zaolzie. Also If I remember correctly back when NSB only just came out Poland could get Estonia cored with same focus as today Lithuania - Fun fact on old version no one plays nowadays
I like lithuanian one more because there is stronger paths for poland. but commonwealth is the most powerful lithuania and it feels good to grow from a little baltic nation to a superpower
Frederick Christian has compliance gain, which is essential to be able to do the Greater Commonwealth focus, so I think it's Poland.
Playing as Lithuania, taking "rejoin the railways" focus after annexing Livonia + Poland cores gives you +1 infrastructure to ALL of your provinces. Considering that you will never giving up Katowice to Germans and potentially get extra steels from Latvia and oils from Estonia, I think it's a powerful strats.
Everyone knows the best Polish monarch is the bear.
The best is polish romanov path, you can easily demand 🇱🇹 and then make it ur puppet, and after that doing focus restore commonwealth, so afterwards while doing else stuff u can core entire soviets
Hey how come you don't make your videos in 1080p?
Please make Greater Greece vs Greater Italy
Lithuania also has greater commonwealth with a bunch of extra cores
Poland has the same path
New video
I feel like you're too strict on your comparison.
If you're comparing monarchist path in the same national focus tree, then sure you should only compare the unique focuses between them.
But if you're comparing two different countries who can do similar things, then you should absolutely be comparing what LIT and POL offer in the rest of their tree. Because as you say, the Commonwealth section is largely the same, the only difference being whether EST is cored or has ticking compliance. The same should be said if you're comparing which country is the best to form the European Union, or comparing whether POL or RUS has the best Slavic Union formable? The countries will be identical, so look at the rest of the focus trees, national spirits, decisions and events, even if they're not specific.
So yes, you should absolutely bring up the differences like Forest Brothers or Lithuanian Paramilitarists or that you get the Danzig or War event if you're POL. (Really, that event should be tweaked to affect whoever owns Danzig and Gdynia, not just POL, but that's not relevant to this)
Lithuania is better. PP gain is better and also you get to core Estonia.
Lithuania has no Generals Tho
Poland is superior tbh
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