Dani Speegle || Natty or Not
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Let's play a game.
Before you watch, comment with what you think.
After you watch, comment if you changed your mind.
I only say this because when I was putting this all together... I changed my mind. Crazy right.
Dani Speegle || Natty or Not
-Coach Andrew
You clicked on this because you had a GUT REACTION to the thumbnail and/or title.
In the first minute I let you know it would be silly for me to not make these videos, as clearly MANY like to watch them.
After my Tia video I had many high level females reach out to me about the accusations the non-informaed make about them.
This one goes out to all of you.
-Andrew
This is not going to blow up at all. No one in the comments or commenting on other social media would confuse Clean for Natty. Not even for a second because Natty is clearly defined and well understood by all.
@@marvistadutch You lost me Dutch... lol
@@hillerfit Algo comment and attempt at satire...
@@marvistadutch I'm dumb lol. But you're the man for the Algo pump. Thanks dude!
No I clicked because you and the crew are REAL media.
I did not change my mind, they're all enhanced.
You lost me when you said “I know for a fact they weren’t using PED’s.” Unless you are literally watching them every minute of everyday and testing them you can’t know for sure. You just can’t. People can lie and tests can be beaten.
Especially when the tests are " administered " by the very organization which realizes that it's bye bye money if they catch the ones usin . Which is at the top level , EVERYONE !
You guys need to watch his other videos. He literally says what your talking about
This woman is clearly using, can't believe people even doubt that.
People watch to much influencers telling them they are natural while it getting to huge. Bit the point that point is shifting
Lol people literally cheat on their partners and their partners who live with them, never find out. But some random youtube guy who hardly knows this woman can be sure in his mind that someone wasn’t using 😂
The cap variations had me
😂😂😂
Oh … and 100# Murph. Wow!
I’ve been in CrossFit since the beginning. Eat, slept, and breathed fitness. The amount of athletes that are on it, and aren’t caught would blow your mind. You seem to have some aggression on the subject and I’m not sure why but open those eyes and that mind of yours. Trained with plenty of games athletes. Some aren’t though, I will say that. Some are. Dani…lol bro you kidding me? Idk how you defend it.
CrossFit was cool in the beginning, gone so far downhill
Open your eyes....I caught that you bastard lmao
Most of the powerlifting/bodybuilding women i've seen in my country that are on roids have very small breast or almost no breast at all. Dani's jaw is also masculine as fk, hard to believe that she’s not juicing.
@@nomak9576 I just saw a before and after picture of her and she looks dramatically different… She’s completely masculine physically compared to her feminine look before. People that say she’s natural are fools that just don’t know the signs.
@@travlangley1It was NEVER cool .
My reasons for thinking she's natural are kind of a back-handed compliment. Her body composition and her performances have remained mostly the same over the years. She's always been strong and then she's always been mediocre at everything else and hasn't ever shown exceptional progress in anything. She just gets attention because of her looks and because she's always going to be a contender in the showcase event of a competition.
Bro do a little more research, look at videos of her. Think about what you’re saying. The men squat 405 for reps and the women have to squat 280 lmao…..and despite mean being 2x stronger she is 2x bigger than most guys…her legs are bigger than a lot of men who are openly on PEDs……bro the best genetics in the world would not make this possible.
@@andrewwallace8534 lol you have no idea what you’re talking about. Her legs aren’t twice as big lol. She’s also short AF
Greg Curry just because you don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about and are brainless when it comes to who is using PEDs doesn’t mean that everyone else it
That is because she has been on steroids for all that time.
@@andrewwallace8534I've always marveled at how women can look so huge and yoked but they use half the amount of weight as a man to do it with. It's all an illusion
A simple google search for young Dani Speegle answers natty or not. In the space of a few years, she doubles in size. Also if you look at Olympic athletes they train hard and don't look like the hulk!
Wrong...
@@glennspeegle9137you are obviously affiliated
9:10 That reminds me a fact I saw yesterday about swimmer Sarah Sjöström in a swimming world championships, where the organization instead of spacing the 50m butterfly finals and 50m freestyle semifinals, because a lot of times some swimmers compete in both events and need time to recover, the events were set only 17 mins apart. Not only she won the Gold in 50m fly but broke the 50m freestyle world record in the semifinals just after 15 mins rest, UNREAL.
Deffo she is on gear
For some reason that Mike guy reminds me of the Ronnie Coleman quote.
Everybody wanna be a body builder but nobody wanna lift heavy ass weights.
I was a gymnast my entire life before getting into CrossFit 2 years ago. The results, physique changes, and strength improvements I've seen in two years (as a natural athlete who trains 1 hour per day 5 days per week doing daily WODS) has been crazy. Yes, my sports history helps, but the methodology also works. I think if I hadn't experienced what CrossFit can do myself, I'd find it really hard to believe that people can achieve certain physiques and perform the way they do athletically without PEDs. Not saying everyone is "natty" but CrossFit does produce results - especially in combination with good genes and athletic backgrounds.
Doing cardio/endurance workouts like CrossFit are not gonna build muscle like bodybuilding/powerbuilding. You’re producing results because as far strength training goes you’re practically untrained regardless of your gymnastics experience.
@@andrewwallace8534 not necessarily, there are is still progressive overload in all compound and Olympic lifts.
Yeah, I know this and completely grasp what you’re trying to say. Now do the same for me here, these mfers are bigger than womens bodybuilders who SPECIALIZE in hypertrophy….does that make any sense?? These cross fitters do not specialize in hypertrophy and yet they’re bigger than the women who do?? What kind of logical sense does that make??
@@andrewwallace8534 haha no it doesn’t. And I’m not even saying they aren’t juicing as they very well could be. But for devils advocate sake you’re looking at the top percentile in the world that train hours a day whilst eating to fuel and not cut. Lots of variables at play
Bro, let’s not kid ourselves….CrossFit athletes are only in CrossFit because they weren’t good enough to make it in the Olympics or powerlifting. Let’s not kid ourselves here….
I notice your refer to it as PEDs when athletes use it, but you refer to it as TRT when you use it. Something to keep note of maybe.
If you call daily super tech prohormone stacks with daily creatine/protein shakes natty - then I guess she is natty lol😂 - you guys are Just into immature hero worship. People use to defend Arnold this way in the 70s and 80s , until he admitted
I’ll give you this, with her gymnastics background, she is more natty then her competitors, but she is not natty by any stretch of the means
Common sense. Funny how he only responded to the comments that agreed with him.
Those outside the sport have no credential to talk PEDs in Crossfit.
Those inside Crossfit at an Elite level unwilling to discuss PEDs in Crossfit.
Go figure…
When a person has been around weightlifting and weight training for 30 plus years they're going to know the signs. They're going to have known people throughout their lives before and after they've used peds. So it really doesn't matter which sport were discussing, if you know you know
Normally like your vidoes but this one isn’t it. You come across as extra salty and like you think you’re the only one qualified enough to talk about CF Natty or nots cause you do CrossFit.
This one missed the mark.
home depot whatever fitness man backwards upside down and sideways hat guy in the video....definitely natty. Great video Hiller. entertainment value next level!
I've watch 3 of your videos in 2 days and it was the Letterkenny drop that earn the sub!
Great content and editing style.
Natty or not on Noah Olsen that would be interesting! I vote for not natty !
lol your snarl at the beginning of the video is everything
A guilty pleasure of mine is mocking people for doing things they don't realize they've done lol
i liked the video because of the letterkenny reference. you had that one tee'd up for a bit, ya? hahaha
It's been a minute, was helping my old man out of the hospital. I'm gonna binge watch your vids. Keep it up brother !
He's gonna find out if you've natty or not, Santa Claus is coming to town
I've been digging these videos, and the respect level goes up five notches when you see Letterkenny cut in😂😂
The hat changes and SpongeBob clips did it for me 😂😂😂
the progression of the hat killed me😂
Awesome job as usual. That video must have taken you 12 hours or more to produce. Appreciate the research and detail. Keep it up!
Lol, Andrew was really harsh here. At first, I didn't get why, but as I watched the whole video, I got it.
It's funny to see how "outsiders" can react differently, Greg Doucette is from bodybuilding, but, even so, he's smart enough to not talk shit about people from other sports. This Mike was on a formidable level of superficiality to talk about Dani and crossfit in general.
I was harsh (and became more harsh) because I had watched it a few times through.
You don’t mess with family -Vin Diesel
Greg Doucette talks about Soccer players, quit playing the skin flute so hard.
Nice vid, you are over here playing chess, while these other peeps are playing checkers.
They will learn!
I agree with both this one and your Tia one. If you watch the games movies from the first 2 where Tia talks, she comes off as a church mouse. Now she's a friggin lion. Dani has, personality wise, not changed much. Just a disclaimer, I've been on TRT for around 5-6 years now. I have a kittle idea of how it effects your mental approach on things
Absolutely. Testosterone will make a woman go from Dr Jekyll to Mr Hyde in an instant
Hahah the journey of the cap . Can’t even 😂
The cap?? OH!! Yeah I was wondering if that would be noticed!
😂😂😂😂 dying!
A lot!! I was laughin out loud everythime I saw it in a different position xD@@hillerfit
Ok. This is my favorite Andrew Hiller video!
1. Even on PEDs an athlete still has to work hard.
2. More than 10 years ago,one of my daughetr's bridesmaids was a crossfitter. She competed at a low level as a personal challenge, and for fun. I told her that the athletes I'd seen at local competitions, who wanted to get to the games, were using PEDs. She agreed. She told me that all the top competitors in her box, that included athletes who went to regionals were using PEDs. I asked her how she knew. Her answer: most of them just tell athletes like her at the box.
3. Nothing new under the sun.
You’re missing the point, people want to know what’s possible naturally and what they need to do if they want to reach a similar level. Nobody cares about who’s natural just for the hell of it, people are so curious because the lines get blurred between what’s naturally achievable and what’s not. If you lift for 3-5 years naturally and you don’t look anything like a bodybuilder or no where near the strength of a powerlifter who claims to be natural….then you’ll most likely start to doubt yourself and wonder if you’ve got bad genetics. I have amazing genetics and even I have felt this way because for awhile I believed these fake nattys.
@@andrewwallace8534 true. When someone ask them they need to wink and say my business.
They have to work hard? No one knew that, professor. Thanks.
Dang… I didn’t realize we had to work hard….. this is always the most clueless excuse lol
You know what allows em to work so hard and recover so well.... steroids
Not sure what your beef is with this guy tbh.
My vote is she is on roids and its not fair for other ppl thinking they can get the same results and also watch people with poor form/workout advice but will end up injuring or getting burnt out mentally trying to follow the same template
Holy shit lol
Great video! I have a cousin who is similar. She's yoke and has been doing gymnastics her whole life. I brought her to her first crossfit workout and she proceeded to beat all the girls and most of the guys doing Diane (21-15-9 deads/hspus). So yeah everything you said here made sense to me. Well thought out and I loved your reference points. And yes, dude shoulda done his homework.
P.s..... Look at Tia now vs right after the games................................................
Glad I can speak for her as that was indeed my goal here!!
Also, yeah I know lol
I don’t really follow tia, is she way smaller now or something?
@@evskiicf3998 she basically deflates within a month of the games ending
@@evskiicf3998 she shrunk and lost at least 10lbs of muscle mass.
@@CraftLulz no shit that’s crazy lol
I wasn’t paying any attention to you but then you put the hat on and I realized you are a serious man dedicated to a Home Depot life
Dave Castro himself has said that he's not entirely sure who is using, but they might be cycling off whatever it is to test clean at the Games.
that girl-next-door-bit got me haha
Best summation of his take: 18:46. 😂 Great stuff Andrew!
At 8:49 you said you did Murph with a 100lb vest. Without Trt I don't see how this is possible. Lol, I'm gonna need to see the video please Andrew.
It took an hour and 20 something minutes! I have witnesses!
@@hillerfit I came here just to find out about this. I knew someone would have already commented. I just can't even imagine, lol. How do you even get 100 lbs in a vest!!! That is wild. Major props to you for that one. I honestly thought it was gonna be a typo or something lol
@@hillerfit And you are 3" shorter. Spine compacted.
MY o-pi-ni-on: yes, natty. I think she’s a genetic power house. As I write this, I have to admit that I have no evidence of this, other than that her body comp hasnt changed much simce she got onto the scene and my gut feeling.
My 30 Minute video in a sentence lol
@@hillerfit UR welcome
AFTER: MY o-pi-ni-on, natty. I stand my ground.
Impossible for a woman,just look at the physique of women track and field athletes in the communist bloc in the 80s before drug testing ,this is what she looks like.
Nobody in crossfit are natty 🤣🤣🤣🤣
a good balanced video. Thank you!
Thank you! Was a bit worried about the duration, but I think I did alright!
This is brilliant. I agree with everything you said and I agree with how you analyse the different athletes who might be taking steroids or not. It's just common sense really. You really told this guy off and I loved every second of it.
That guy used the opposite of the scientific method. He looked for evidence to prove himself right rather than prove himself wrong
“Sponsored by Home Depot” 😂😂😂💀
Good video! Thoroughly enjoyed your take on the situation.
Been waiting for this. Let’s hear it
What is the impact of “steroids “ wrt women’s fertility?
Hiller said my fiancé still getting checks from Nickelodeon for her character of the crimson chin Jesus 😭😂😂🤣
absolutely enhanced!!!
She’s probably on something (imo which doesn’t mean much) but that doesn’t mean she wasn’t already fit. Even something like an EPO deployed with someone like her…it could do wonders. (Especially for a cross fitter) But you still have to do the work. Also
You reach a point in life when it becomes about how you feel and what you can do, not what you look like. It becomes about "health longevity", not as some believe, life longevity. Metabolic health, Metabolic health, Metabolic health.
This was a disguised apology video because of all the OTHER things you and Sevan said about her. She's on gear, and it's time you discussed with your community that there are other things that PEDs can do like blood flow, oxygenation, restorative abilities etc. They don't just get you "jacked".
It isn't disguised. But I agree with the rest
I’ve literally done CrossFit for 8+ years, through two full term, healthy pregnancies, and really have yet to experience any sort of injury. While I am definitely average, that does not mean that I don’t push myself and work hard on high level skills. Those type comments always make me so angry. It is all about scaling appropriately, taking rest days and knowing your limitations.
That makes me angry too. I train 12-15 hours a week and am able to sustain that with no injuries and significant strength gains with a halfway decent diet. Very annoying to have people that don’t know what they’re talking about tell you things about your sport. Any average person can come into a CrossFit gym and train 5 days a week and even do 1.5-2 hour days and maintain that for a long time if they are smart about it.
Your own comments explain why you didn’t get hurt…your not pushing to be the best you…your doing what you want and being heathy that’s awesome! Don’t confuse that with people trying to be competitive they are constantly hurt due to bad form, insane repetition and volume, and silly things like Kipping
I agree the only time I have been injured was doing two a days and driving 14 hrs between one of them and not resting
There’s a big difference working out the way you are compared to the girls like Dannie that are hitting the gym 6!dats a week and 3-4 hours a day. Huge difference. I’ve been around plenty of good female athletes and none look like Dani or the other CrossFit stars.
The ones in the games aren’t scaling sweetheart 🙄. So yes they are on PEDS, forget about steroids coalition with strength and size and remember it’s meant for rebuilding worn out damaged muscles faster than normal and for recovery. The type of recovery you need after going 8+years of no scaling and going RX’d day in and day out sometimes multiple hours multiple times/wods a day and that’s during the offseason. Ain’t no way your not pulling or tearing something if your training past the standard especially in that amount of time. They aren’t going to shoot their cash cows by drug testing them..
The more you realize😊
It’s not normal for women to have that much muscle
They all use it!! CrossFit needs to legalize it at this point. They all have jacked muscles and 2% Body Fat.
Initial reaction... natural athlete.
Great analysis, I still agree. McCord is now on the list of villians in your world 🦇
Hey.... Quick unrelated question as I watch... can you do a video on programing? Specifically online programing options and effectiveness?
The guy you breaking down, I'm about halfway thru the video and he hasn't mentioned genetics..
Some ppl had a good 'roll of the dice', some didn't..
I'm 41, come from a family of athletes..
I've stayed in shape all my life so far with relative ease compared to some ppl who have their very DNA working against them!..
I don't even try hard, i work out for a few months every 3-5 yrs, get results without too much effort..
Toned bands on my shoulders, back, six pack out etc..
I've known ppl who juice who were jealous of my results..
They could hardly believe it..
Genetics counts for a hell of a lot..
After that willpower..
Willpower to stick to a good routine..
And don't underestimate the importance of good eating..
It's right up there in terms of top 3 vital things ppl get wrong..
Good genetics or not, i wouldn't get a quarter of the results i get without putting the effort in.. And good eating..
The Ozark insert is killing me haha
It’s the transforming hat for me 😂
That dude was a k mart version of Derek from More Plates More Dates. No scientific backing on his opinions. The only thing he referenced when talking about side effects of PEDs was jawline and recovery time. No looking at her actual performances over time or anything or body fluctuation. Pretty ballsy accusations to make with no real backing from Tyler (idk if that’s his name but he looks like a Tyler to me)
2:18 lol now I know I love this channel, whoever edits your videos is awesome… if it’s you and you referenced that OG sponge bob scene… that’s amazing
DUDE I EDIT THEM SO THANKS!
It would be interesting to see her progression from high school to college gymnastics… Is there any chance that PED use in collegiate gymnastics is a thing? I know the pressure to perform is very big for those folks and strength training is now emphasized significantly. Could she have started PED use in college?
PED use most definitely happen in college gymnastics. That’s literally where the pool of Olympians from those sports comes from.
I was a gymnast and competed in high school and all of us were on gear. PED use is very prevalent in collegiate gymnastics.
@@erica_d5387 whoa . All of your teammates were on gear? Did any of them look like Dani?
No
@@brianmeen2158 my coach had us all on anavar and a few of the ones who were being scouted by D1 schools took a more compounds. We were all training since 3-4 years old so definitely jacked naturally but PEDs absolutely grew us more and pushed us over the edge competitively.
You know better than a doctor bro. I guess they pissed you off
The Anabolic Doc has video where he has said he treated crossfitters on peds.
Oh yeah!!!!! Let’s go!! Here for this!!!
I dont care if she is or not! she a freak in a good way! ❤❤
Is this the first video with Letterkenny clips?? If so good on ya. Pitter patter let's get at er!
100% natural. She is just the master of the PPPL (usually PPL).
1) pump
2) pose
3) photoshop
4) lighting
Maybe she can master the photoshop the gh turtle shell
Hahahahahaa people who believe she is natty know nothing about lifting.
@@323johnnybravo please enlighten me, 90s cartoon character.
@@parker5225 I’m guessing you believe top tier Olympia competitors are natty too. Lance Armstrong was Natty, Barry Bonds never juiced either. Anyone who has lifted or trained over 5 years can spot a fake natty just by the eye test. All top tier CrossFit athletes are juiced. All of them, anyone who believes otherwise is naive or dumb. I’m guessing you’re just dumb
@@323johnnybravo are you going to actually say why he’s not natty or keep deflecting?
I’m well aware steroids are in sports.
You have to remember that PED’s alone don’t build muscle alone. You still have to work hard. PED’s alone don’t just build muscle. Hard work builds muscle. What PED’s is make your muscles recover faster so you can workout sooner and more then people not on PED’s. People shouldn’t be so judgmental.
@nathanmacdonald6696
Training natural is hard work! Training while on gear, isn't.
It's hilarious that anyone thinks any of these ladies, especially Speegle, are natural. I don't understand the motivation to maintain this fiction.
I've dealt with bodybuilders firsthand, including all the 'natural' ones and those claiming most don't take drugs etc are full of crap. I personally knew people who swore black and blue publically that they didn't take them and i knew for a fact they did.
This woman is CLEARLY using. ..but so are most others.
It is near on impossible to get the huge bodies we see through purely natural methods.
You are wrong... troll a hole
I love how all the folks who claim PED use is rampant in CF say that the "athletes can't compete at that level" "can't recover enough" "can't develop that physique" without steroids when what they mean is THEY can't do it. Because they lack the will, desire, and work ethic do so. 66 YOA, 8yr. CrossFitter, L-1 Trainer, 14% bodyfat (could dial it in better if I had the will, LOL) 48% muscle mass. We met at the Games, I was the guy with the pic of the "real deal" Batsuit.
“I don’t know shit about fuck!” Best line ever 🤣
Dude looks like a recreational gym goer, maybe his nutrition just isn't dialed in, the audacity he has 🤣
I’m not a doctor but I play one on TV
She’s on heat 100000000%
She is high on Crumble Cookies bro! ahahahahahaa!
Bro you talking shit about this guy and you are on the juice 😂
Hahah do you not see why?!
I think she’s natural.
Andrew any quick fix to get into shape for Boilermakers? (steel fitters/welders/riggers that work in oil/gas, dams, nuclear power plants, shipyards, pulp mills etc.) I know there is no quick fix but maybe a fast track? 2-3 months? Would cardio several times a day help?
There is a lot of heavy lifting, extreme heat conditions, confined spaces, a lot of stairs and walking with gear and equipment, etc. It is exhausting and stressful work. If you can come up with a program or suggest something that helps job specific I would appreciate it.
Just join a box and stay dedicated 5 days a week! There's no secret or magic trick, gotta put in the work!
@@Steven.- ty
dude you had me cracking up. This clown needed called out. Dig your channel
RoFL to that intro! And the progression of terrible hat wearing 😂
Let's talk about these masters athletes!
Dldr: crossfitter on roids defends crossfitters on roids
"Who's jaw is bigger?" 😂
“6 days a week, 5 hour workouts”
😝😝
Also if someone is on PED’s it doesn’t make them a bad person.
The entire "You can't" roll he went on. Wow. Get that guy a L1 Trainer Guide...
Also, I bet that Dr. can not even squat to depth.
You can't say she isn't either. She certainly looks like she is, so I guess it's a "definite maybe".
I lost it when you put on the backwards cap
I mildly disagree with your conclusion. Mildly because Im not at least 90% certain- I'm never 100% certain unless they tell me.
I disgaree because I subscribe to her Instagram account and during the past two years I've noticed fluctuations in her physique that can't just be explained by off season and on season condition.
Again, I believe many crossfitters are using PEDs that help recovery and most of those won't build muscle like androgenic PEDs, but would really help in winning.
Only stayed for the hat variations
I have no idea who is on what and I'm not going to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out. I'm glad that Mr. Hiller is out there doing the research for me, so that I can just enjoy the sport. That said, if I were to bet, I would bet on Ms. Speegle being natural. But, I'm open to changing my mind based on new, credible evidence.
Thanks for the video
Ok not going to lie but when people make videos like this when a) you didn't do research on the person you are making videos about or b) don't know the sport that you are talking about or c) you aren't even sure about how to determine steroid use is so freaking annoying and maddening!!!
I just wanna know what makes people think that Dani would be on any form of cycle? I mean Sam Briggs has a better phsyique than Dani (definition of muscles and such) but no one mentions her. I feel that this is just someone who typed in crossfit girls in instagram and seen her and decided to make this video.
Anyone who has gymnast history esp 10 years will have a pretty solid physique
But the real question is Andrew, are Mike OHearn and The Liver King natural? 🤣
That hat of yours tho 😂😂😂