So I finally looked at the Starcraft cards...
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bringing another IP into Hearthstone, like starcraft should have been a FULL expansion not a mini set.
yerh but there also was a theroy once that StarCraft was the futer of WOW we do have space travel in wow already and starcraft has more sectors in it theres ALOT of lore missing really whice still makes it posable and the overmind is on the lvl of an old god
my point is what if its a peak into the futer
@@michaelnielsen9651
Starcraft is the future of us lol, it's set in our future.
There's a group in the brood war campaign called the UED which were basically terrans from earth.
@@michaelnielsen9651 ....what?
@@michaelnielsen9651We know that isn't true because what few interactions take place between the two settings happen simultaneously, although we know time travel is canonically a thing for Warcraft.
And no, the Overmind is NOT on the level of one of the Old Gods. Granted, its control of the Swarm and near immortality would make it a bigger threat overall, but the Overmind's power lies with the Swarm rather than the Overmind itself.
I mean, they are experimenting with another IP collaborations, we might get another full expansion at some point
I like a lot of these cards in concept but i think they're held back by this being a mini-set rather than a full expansion. Which results in them not being able to make enough cards to support these new archetypes they're trying to push.
After having played them Zerg DK is op
@@saschasmith3635 I mean aggro seems probably strong with dk's corpses
Yes I was thinking the Same thing but I Tried the zerg dh Deck and its pretty busted
@@guts1952 honestly all the zerg classes are pretty strong RN.
Weird Bazaar update but I'm glad they're getting big crossovers already.
Unrelated, but your pfp is cursed. Great Smugman edit
i love protoss, so many cards to reduce minion cost, only 3 minions to play.
Well if you're priest your Motherships each give you 4 more minions to play, and then you've got cards like Creation Protocol and Power Chord: Synchronize to get more Protoss minions to play.
@@WadeAllen001 yea but you have to play priest.
Yeah, Most protoss decks I've seen are pretty meh, they seem to basically just be relying on colossus to carry the game for them. RN Viper hard counters most protoss decks I've played against so far. Which... fair, Vipers are good against colossus, accurate to starcraft.
"going Zergling into Roach into Hydralisk..."
Ah yes, classic Zerg!
I think you mean Zergling into Zerling into Zerling into your base.
This set fundamentally doesn't work because it's a mini set where 2/3 of the cards have nothing to do with the main set AND are extremely parasitic.
People complain a lot about Magic the Gathering having entire sets dedicated to other IPs, but at least it means you can build a functional deck around it.
If you wanna play zerg, you can have a maximum of 13 cards that actually create zerg minions, in a minion based agro strategy. (Why tf they made the worm a spell and not a creature is beyond me.)
exactly
People rightfully complain about MtG getting to many sets dedicated to other IPs because of the theme. I don't want spongebob squarepants set (this is real) to have multiple good cards for other formats. Why? Because my entire deck is fantasy MtG themed and than all of a sudden I play spongebob squarepants in it. That's fun to have a laugh a few times, but the theme is just ruined.
@@taserrr spongebob is going to be a secret lair like the miku stuff, so reprints with a spongebob theme, you won't have to put em in your deck. (unlike the marvel and FF stuff)
@@taserrr You don't have to put Secret Lair cards in your decks.
@@Cubicthing They don't have a policy of reprinting UB cards with in-universe versions. They used to, but they dropped it pretty fast.
this is so funny now that the miniset is out and the meta is established. never change rarran.
The fact that all of the Protoss cards revolve around discounting their minions and you can have a maximum of 6 in one deck makes me think that it will be unplayable. Either that or broken
mage might have a chance since they have other things outside the miniset that can generate more protoss spells, so its more feasible to hit the critical mass needed for collosus to be a lethal threat
i feel like priest might make it. they can revive Sentries a bunch and then cast hallucination on mothership which can give a bunch of really big shitters,considering that collosus and carrier can do some damage to the face
like if you get artanis + 3-4 sentries + 2 cannons thats like 7-8 discount on all minions which mothership generates
and archons too if you are lucky to get 2 templars
@@adv8882 This. Mothership costs 12, meaning it's automatically revived with that 3-mana priest spell, plus there's probably enough spells in the deck to warrant the spellstone too. Protoss Priest seems genuinely good.
This power level feels like something out of when I still played... 6 years ago.
From what I have seen so far, Zerg are the best faction by a significant margin. The amount of damage they do & the consistency they have can EASILY snowball out of control. This is mainly because, unlike the other Factions, The Zerg actually have in-archetype value generation with the Brood Queens.
Whereas the others REALLY struggle with the lack of minions.
The issue is a lack of support for Zerg and Protoss. Terran at least has previous support with the neutral starship pieces. Benefit is also starship rogue has new options to steal from
Just a reminder that The Exodar can also get you copies of starship pieces for Terrans.
I just want to salute the team, because most of those cards are really on brand with the units in starcraft
its almost like they made the og game
@@AyeeSkippy It's almost like the hearthstone team is definitely not the og starcraft team? The studio being the same doesn't mean much considering the size...
i think an important consideration for thor being good is that jim raynor doubles the number of starships you have launched. you play the starship package in a control shell, launching them in between clears, then once you have launched a few play the hero for a wave of threats followed up by 2 thors that might have 7 or 9 triggers for a lethal push.
and if you are lucky whit Liberators you will already have dealt 20 damage to board and face
Jim Raynor starships doesn't count for Thor.
@@SpaceWitch144 do you have proof or are just talking out of your ass?
because it does say "relaunch" not "summon"
@@adv8882 I just know that some of devs specified that.
@@adv8882 No he's right, I think Zeddy mentioned this when reviewing the cards.
nydus worm, the draw engine, being one of the most expensive cards in zerg is kinda sad
I love the flavor of the crossover miniset. But none of these synergies are viable... It's unfortunate.
That is just every mini-set. Full of useless stuff with like 1 to 2 decent cards.
@tmdiz4579 I wouldn't really go that far. It's normal for cards to land above and bellow the average power level.
I think the recent previous sets where too strong. And they refused to really nerf the legendary cards that where in almost 100% of decks...
So now that the mini-set lands close to a good average balance it feels underwhelming. Cause you're still going to be forced to play against the same decks as before once everyone has completed the event content pass.
@@tmdiz4579if Most of the Buffs worked on different cards it would be decent but making it so its only works with eachother is wack its a alright miniset but I think it should have been a Full Expansion instead
I think it's funny that yall are just wrong. The set functions decently well in actual play
@FearTheCaboose1337 a couple of them are working better than it seemed thats true.
But also at launch people are plaing the cards no matter how sub optimal to complete the pass. So I'm not convinced we know these cards are fantastic...
Only 2 decks of the top performing decks use the new cards...
And I'm not saying the meta is solved at this point. I'm just not convinced for either argument.
You know it would be an interesting upgrade for “Remote-Controlled Golem” if the 2/1’s were these Terran Starship Pieces instead of the vanilla Damaged Golems as an incentive to play in wild being an extra gifted card out of 3, one more for each faction.
Remote-Controlled Golem mentioned 👀
I've been hoping for StarCraft crossover in hearthstone since i started with old gods. I hope it ends up being good, but i don't think it's worth coming out of retirement for
Sadly Not I think they fumbled by making it a miniset instead of a Full Decks also they should have made it compatable with pre-existing cards
23:57 idk if you corrected yourself in the thinking, but it says a minion not your minion, could probably combo it into the missile turret to remove something.
the iconic rarran reading moment
Yeah definitely a hunters mark into 9 damage face and removal for 6 mana dream combo
@@kaisercheese4011Nothe starship piece, not the tank
When I see carrier all I'm hearing is "You're in My school now!"
Gonna cry?
Wait would the 2/2 “Travel Agent” work to get the locations from the other factions? Because it would be interesting to have the Terran Starship Pieces possible.
Zerg would really need a means of refilling quickly and reliably, or they're just completely dead in the water after the second board wipe, an Unleash the Hounds or Spreading Plague-like effect. The only open ended refill they have is the Brood Queens, who feel extremely expensive and slow.
0:09 he sit on a throne of lies.
Ya know what’s a weird nitpick and aggravating detail about the class factions:
PALADIN ISNT PROTOSS
Terran makes sense too, though, dudes and whatnot
if im not mistaken the mutalisk is bonkers on a single minion board. if you clear all but one minion it does 10 to the face base and can be buffed
8:20 feels like a worse tar creeper
I mean, if you activate it, it's better than Tar Creeper by 1 mana AND +1/+1, which is pretty big.
@ the conditionality makes it way worse, you need a 2 turn 2 card set up early on to activate it’s effect, and these type of taunt minions are typically only good for early game.
Not to mention you can atleast get some chip damage in with TC, this one can’t attack. It’s worse than TC almost in every way possible
Or a more conditional overconfident orc, which is already an arena card.
@@blahthebiste7924it actually costs 1 more mana cause u gotta play the 2 mana field card
@@dv2945 Except there is a 1 mana location for this miniset, AND both are pretty good cards you may be playing anyway
It looks like the mini Set trys to play on the bord so im for it
Having a lot of fun with Shaman Starship. Shutter block into ghost is absolutely menacing, like a crush card virus. In some lucky turns I can hit 6 cards while just swarming the board with starships.
I think the Zerg package might have some surprising staying power. Between the creep tumor, queens, nydus worm, and Kerrigan, even if the board gets cleared you can usually just dump another board down over and over.
Of course, this is coming from someone who’s been out of HS for a while now. I picked up the Zerg faction mini set package with gold and then went 8-0 so far with a Hunter deck. Again, of course the super low rank decks aren’t the best standard to judge against. Just wanted to share my experience so far.
Infestor's deathrattle spread to the 1 mana deathrattle amalgam sounds fun
Wow, the whole 15 cards for each deck (if you put literally everything in). So this is how you do crossovers, huh
i guess companies cant hit it right. People in MTG complain about too much, HS people about too little etc etc
Zerg needs more spam, what do you do after a board clear?
You make another board to get cleared again lol. After that you concede. You can also skip the second clear by conceding after the first
>making early minions doesnt matter anymore
>best deck in standard is swarm shaman
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Man I *love* the Hearthstone community. "Man the power creep is crazy!" "Well okay hear are some not crazy cards." "OMG UNPLAYABLE!!!!!"
As somebody who hasn't followed HS for years - these cards look really good. I guess the concept just suffers from general power creep from previous expansions?
Nah, rarran was just wrong. It happens sometimes
Watching rarran being almost entirely wrong is really funny
Rarran: 'That one is kind of whatever. Kind of irrelevant'
Brood queen: 'And I took that personally and became the best zerg card by far'
Turns out a lot of the Zerg cards are meh until you get infinite of them for free lmaoo
Zerg is actually great in control
As a mainly arena player, arena is gonna be lit with these starcraft cards
I can't wait to play the game and then get hit by shudderblock'd ghost and get my entire hand poofed !
This mini-set looks really fun, giving each faction interactive, board-centric synergy and battle plans. Unfortunately, because of the very same reasons, those synergies are underpowered against current competition.
After a rotation and some heavy-handed nerfs this set overall could be basis for a really fun meta. So far only the relatively overtuned parts of this set have seen play
It is also reassuring they nerfed Ethereal Oracle.
An important thing to add is that the terran starship is a mec !!
Yeah I feel like there's gonna be some mech deathrattle trigger infinite armor + odyn warrior control deck that's gonna make everybody hate their lives for 40 minutes at a time.
The shaman card "lock on" works on any minion not just yours
why is it a mini set? The only reason these cards would go into a mini set is that if they are gonna expand on it further in the new expansion. If they're not, this is just a silly attempt at more attention?
I think the main impact this miniset is gonna have is that Zergling Shaffar Hunter is going to be a thing. I’m not really sure how good it will be but I’m confident it will be a thing.
i was hoping dehaka would be a part of this mini-set
Ughhhh is this what it felt like being into WOW when they released hearthstone? I'm just like oh my god, it's my buddy Void Ray from the hit video game sc2!!! this is gonna pull me back in I swear. especially when I hear the voice lines, I'm gonna hear "we move unseen" or the psi storm sfx and it's OVER for me, I'm back in. Putting on the clown makeup, it was nice being free of hearthstone for a while.
never mind is don't need to mald over ghosts in two different games. I am excited to watch though!
Baneling Barrage is really spooky with Blood DK. It might be okay but I think it's the scariest card in the set.
I'm surprised the Lurker doesn't have stealth, and they didn't incorporate the nuke into the Terran kit...
does seige tank work with shudderblock would be kinda funny
I think Zerg blood dk is going to thrive, blood decay has so much self-sustain, so many board clears, so many draw options, so much survival, that you will have multiple opportunities to make a board if they destroy it you can destroy anything they create and then create another board. And you will also have a generalization of four queens, which means at least four more random Zerg, so you're looking at around 15 zerg cards starting in your deck, then at least four more cards that you generate, If you're going some kind of plague blood zerg DK or full blood DK into demons, I think this deck is going to work and it's going to be a monster to fight, but the other two I feel like you're going to suffer
Also I feel like Zerg, you should all have the passive at the start of your turn regain one HP because all zergs heal themselves and sense zerg are so weak It just makes sense
Would Zerg work if you can add more than 2 copy's in your deck? because the zerg are known to overcrowd the game so lets say you can add 4 copy's of one zerg in one's deck would that make it better?
Shudderblock into siege tank to get around the enemy damage clause. Calling it tier 1 now
They confirmed shudderblock would block siege tank hero damage
the battlecry does damage to the enemy hero, its not kalimos
What was your thought process here, cause to me it's pretty obvious that Siege Tank wouldn't deal damage to the enemy hero if you played Shudderblock.
I’m mentally preparing myself for a shudderblock into ghost to delete half my hand 👍
Can someone answer me if those cards that allow you to play another class cards in-game? So if I wanted to play Terran Hunter it would be a possibility since you could steal the warriors cards.
Me dominating with Zerg demon hunter the entire time im watching rarran shit on it lmao
lurker not being stealth is such a miss flavor wise
These do feel like they’ll be fun to play with in Arena, at least?
I haven’t played Standard in 2 months either, and I didn’t want to because its pretty much identical to the way it was when I left! Not sure these new cards convinced me that I should come back before the new expansion.
this meta is the best hearthstone has been in years.
@@izzyisnormal I won't even tell you you're wrong, because even if I played enough to disagree, I'm happy when people love the meta. I was just so deeply bored and unhappy with the game as it was when I left that I'm finding it hard to stomach even coming back at all, let alone for a mini-set :/ Don't let me being jaded stop you from enjoying something you're happy with.
I'm glad they're scaling back the power of expansions. The power creep is insane and I hope that when the new year comes around they'll be able to slow the game down.
They really need to get rid of Bob, Zilliax, Yog, and Reno, and then expansions can actually be allowed to have minions on the board
This year has been absolute dogshit for hearthstone, with over 80% of the new cards in expansions being unplayable.
but if you like Whizbang 2.0 meta then I guess you’re having a great time.
i think some of the cards arent bad but as a whole package theyre gonna be unplayable until rotation, then we might see some decks actually using the whole package because the terran stuff honestly looks good and choosing how to build starships and when to launch them seems like it could be a high skill deck that id like to play around with
ghost seems like it will make ceaseless expanse useless since it is almost always played for 0 and can be sniped so easily
Also I think that he overlooked that with thor, a 3 cheap starships curve + Jim raynor is already 35 damage on turn 8
Some of the card flavor is great. Some is bewildering.
Wonder what blizzard will do on hots anniversary
2024, Players: The powercreep is awful! They should lower the power level!
2025 *Blizzard does lower the powercreep* Players: Wow this is so underpowered! I ain't buying this miniset.
Also, Rarran completely missed Zerg synergies. Not saying it's the best thing in the world, but it still better then Terran by a mile.
Because lowering the power level of new sets does not lower it for the available sets, duh. So this new cards just won't see play because of the powercrept to hell cards currently in the game. Why would you buy a set to just lose with?
Rarran cant read remember
@@viktorgabriel2554 True, Rarran misread a bunch in this video so it's on brand lol
@@AlleonoriCat First of all, you buy it because it's fun, that is or at least should be why anyone would play any game ever.
Second of all, yes it (probably) won't see Constructed play NOW because 2023 still exists, but in like 2 months tops the rotation will happen and this will get a better chance at seeing play, with the new expansion and core set maybe following the lower power level, even tho 2024 expansions were also relatively strong but not THAT strong.
Buy the miniset, you should have gold for it anyway, play the game and have fun. Or don't buy it.
Just don't mindlessly complain about the lower power level when that's what the community has been asking literally all year. Since the Zilliax Deluxe 3000 people have been complaining about it.
@ I don't complain and I don't play this game since like Old Gods I think. I just tell you why people complain and why releasing one underpowered set is not the solution. "Fun" would apply to single player game, but here it is not fun to constantly lose. So you are either playing meta or you quit like me. Blizz also don't want to release weak sets because they sell less. So I think the myth of lowering power levels is just a tall tale devs keep dangling before us
A lot of the cards seem OK, but definitely look like they'll be "all or nothing". If nothing else, the team did a good job of translating the units into Hearthstone.
Also, while they may not be good in the current, this is kind of the direction we want the game to go isn't it (aside from the minion Ghost)? Cards that are more focused on the board.
as an old starcraft fan this set looks fun! i just dont play standard. terrian looking very strong. grunty is my mvp haha
Gotta love the fact that Ghosts are overpowered in yet another Blizzard game.
Is it just me, or Rarrans mustaches become much more notable? Now i can see his caucasian blood)
Lock on says A minion not Your minion it's basically like that one hunter card
reminder that some people play this game to have fun, not only to win and get to legend every month. "good" card doesnt mean fun to play card.
It’s so over for the Bazzar Hearthstone clears
Ghost targeting the lowest cost feels like a balance change they made despite the flavor choice being a ghost hitting the biggest targets.
Any opinions on whether this will become a full expansion. I'm sure they're just testing the waters, right? Why they would need to do that with StarCraft is beyond me.
I've never been more excited for a mini set. I can't wait to make starcraft decks.
you kept talking about zerg must have the boys, but the whole point to zerg is having the boys, its very thematic and fits what zerg as a whole is, its everyone or nothing.
I don't think protoss or Zerg will be played because there aren't enough zerg or protoss cards in the set to make a complete deck Teran might be playable because it works with other spaceship cards.
😂😂😂
I might actually return to Hearthstone because of this mini set.
druid makes their max mana above 10 it would be easy to play a 12 mana card without "until end of turn/your next card" cards
no Starcraft fan wanted this. and it's a MINI-SET!1?!????
Baneling Barrage seems pretty good, 1 mana deal 2 to all enemy minions get 2 corpses.
“Get”, not summon. It’s very slow for a Zerg strategy, especially in DK which hasn’t had an aggro deck since OG plague DK.
Rawrongo would be a zerg minion, or maybe a broodmother
I find it weird that Zerg didn't get a tag like "beast"
28:55 Apparently she's wearing Chikara's pants and Billy's jacket.
I think if they reduced the cost of a few cards, or made it so when you play a faction you get access to all faction cards, then it could be really solid. But as of now? It just feels a bit too weak.
Do they have new dungeon runs or solo content, or is hearthstone still boring?
You’re looking at Zerg like it’s true aggro I think it’s more of a midrange play style from what I’ve seen
Blizzard's budget for Hearthstone seems like its running drier by the day
I'm so salty that druid didn't get zerg for the token package...
I'm confused. None of those Zerg cards are "zergs". They don't have the zerg minion tag type, which means... how am I supposed to get the synergy?
Banner in top left like in mean streets of gadgetzan
Because Protoss, Zergs and Terran aren't tribes, they are multiclass cards, just like in Mean Streets of Gadgetzan
Imp and Ogre-gang aren't tribes but it still wokrs
They’ve done stuff like this before. Ogres and imps are the best examples. Don’t really get what’s so hard to understand
Why introduce a new tribe that needs more support in the new expansion to then add basically 2 new tribes that may need more support in the mini set?
So Blizzard has 3 entire other series to make entire card sets and expansions out of for Hearthstone, but all they can manage is this tiny mini-set?
That's just kinda pathetic tbh.
That’s an awful expansion, I’ve been collecting 2500 gold and I’m not sure I’m gonna buy it. Probably I’ll look for the other minisets instead (I just came back into playing hs).
I strongly suggest you hold off on buying anything else, because it's likely a few of these legendary cards will make it into decks, and dare I say, many of these cards are going to be used when rotation comes around (new expansions most likely in march with rotation).
If you're missing a lot of cards from the newer sets that aren't going to be rotated, then it's probably better to prioritize those. Stuff like tourists from Perils are gonna be more impactful to what decks you can run.
This set is supposed to be lower power, and probably won't have a chance to be "good" until post-rotation. It's also pretty self contained with the faction specific synergy. Unless something in this set is immediately broken, or really speaks to you, you have time to wait on this mini-set.
worried about shudderwock/ghost in wild possibly
soon will be another core set and oldest 3 expansions will leave and them maybe this sticks
zerg could be good if larva can get more queens and then repeat for more value but i have doubt.
ok shudderblock + ghost would be nutty though
I was a big fan of StarCraft 1, but half of these are from 2 and I dunno that one. If they ar unplayable for power, nostalgia was the only thing to get me to go in on it...
Zerg needs a little bit of help but besides that these cards seem fine
So turns out... these were very impact and Zerg Hunter is broken.
By the art and the text of the cards, I believe these cards were supposed to be released like 3-5 years ago? Thats what it feels like to me at least
But rarran, your mothership can get other motherships!
I think you read Lock On completely wrong
What an accurate set. Zerg sucks, Protoss is broken, and Terran is broken, but all of them are just worst to play than anything else