I don't think you are downplaying the character. I think what happens is that you for maining the character you have a bigger understanding of the characters weaknesses because you are dealing with the rest of the cast, where your opponents, those that don't main Hwoarang... Are mostly just seeing his "streanths" because they have to fight against him. That's for every character/player, also this will depend on the level of understanding of tekken that the player got.
I think for you, he’s a great option because you’re one of the best in the world with a him. But I’ll be honest I don’t think he’s all that good. I started out with him. I played about 500 matches with him and then switched to Law. I would say I beat him 95% of the time when I play against him. He needs some buffs in my opinion. I don’t think people realize how easy he is to interrupt and you’re right ever since that Nerf he’s become very easy to launch. (at least for me)
To add to this, I hate laws, I think he is an hard counter to hwoarang. Every single damned thing is a CH launcher and I cant even go flamingo because of it.
@@michaeldietz2648 my only comment on Steve is treat him like Yoshi. Armor through every single thing you can, it tends to make them stop moving and throwing hard hitting stuff
My climb with Rei and Jin has been EXCEPTIONALLY easier. I still main Hwo but even w the prowess matchmaking Mishima’s (and most of the cast) are just overall WAY easier to play and climb with.
Thanks for showing different matches. Watching videos like this for me is always sitting with a notebook to catch some new combo mix ups and how to deal with some situations. Love your content!
I’m Tekken Emperor and I still have yet to lab Hwo😂 Like I do decent enough against him cause of just gametime, but I really need to watch replays and lab him one day.💀😭
I think, within reason, after PLAYING Hwoarang and Labbing him... The Down 3, 4 Nerf was warranted. Because of the insane Frame Advantage, Hwo gets to make a more or less Guaranteed Play where the Opponent can't really Sidestep/Sidewalk, can't Backdash out, and can't even Mash Armour Moves. A lot of characters don't have access to a truly Guaranteed Mix even when they Hit. SOME do, but it's uncommon at the highest levels of the Game when you've done your homework. Yes, before there were Guaranteed Punishes if you were fast enough and playing a Character with a High Crushing Counter-Hit, but now almost if not all Characters are given a true Launch Punish. This is reasonable because the Range is not bad on the Attack and Hwo can do it from Left Flamingo as well. I understand Hwo Players' frustration in the Nerf and how it was an Attack that was unchanged for years, but most characters would kill for such a potent Mixup-Starter in Game like Tekken where there are multiple answers for your Offence even when you Hit someone. Hwo's D 3, 4 still nets a Guaranteed Mix and could let you bully weaker and/or nervous Players trying to Punish it. EVEN NOW, you can still kinda do that but it's way less consistent. D 3, 4 still Transitions into Right Flamingo and doesn't do the heavy Stagger Block Animation. It's fine. It's just now risky more consistently instead of risky depending on the Opposing Character, which it should have been anyway.
RIP Power crush (again). My man doesn't learn, we are supposed to call our character the shittiest D- tier the whole time, so we get some buffs that even developers don't understand why are happening.
In heat, I believe Hwo is S tier. Outside of heat, the problem is, he is just very predictable. When he gets his leg up, it is either this or that, and the problem is, there are 'gaps' in between his moves. He, basically, tells the other player, "You have time to guess" when he goes into his flamengo stances, especially the ones that require holding a button. Reina has the same problem, as she has a huge gap in some of her strings as well, giving time to the player to react. He should have more moves like df 3+4.
@@ea0731I just want him to have flowing offense like other characters have. Strings that can lead to counter hits if the player mashes. That's all. I don't like the fact that players get time to basically react to move of his moves. He kind of 'stops' to tell I am about to do this. Other character don't have this problem.
@@theplaymakerno1 which characters are you talking about exactly? The only other character I can think of with flowing offense is Lars with all his stance transitions. You’re basically asking for Hwoarang to be uninterruptible and for every move transition to be a full 50/50 gamble on the opponents part… do you not see how broken that would make him?
17:52 I will never understand why people aren't like this more often. If I'm bad at a game and something destroys me, I'm gonna assume I just don't know how to deal with it, not that it's broken cause I know I'm not playing the game optimally.
K-Wiss: "Side Wall, don't you dare." Side Wall: *not moving, yet scheming with malice* 8:05 - 8:07 I have no idea why or how Jack did a full 180 turn. Funny things happen when K-Wiss plays against Jack on that stage. 17:22 - 17:28 Side Wall: *evil laughter* I played Tekken 7 for five or six years, and Tekken 8's mechanical changes aren't really jarring to me. There are some character specific changes/additions that stick out and a few other aspects that bug me, but I've just rolled with the changes for the most part. 32:35 - 32:40 I'd be upset. I don't know if K-Wiss was late or Steve was at the perfect distance where that punish wouldn't work, but that was a robbery.
I think hwo is in an ok spot. Does he need slight buffs? Maybe, just a little. I like where hes at. I just hope they dont nerf him again. Also, for the 3rd time. Good luck at the EWC LCQ! 💪🏾
About your power crush point for a new player at 22:30 in my mind it’s weird that certain attacks don’t break armour. This might be a weird argument but I kinda feel that just frame attacks should break through armour at times? E.g. an electric or Jfsr not being able to go through armour seems weird as they are quite high skill launchers. But yeah power crushes design in general seem weird in this game
So then a character like Lidia would have like 5/6 powercrush moves? It would make the game unbalanced if just frame moves were power crushes, that is unless every character had just frame moves. Electrics already have the benefit of being unpunishable launchers, and just frame moves give you more damage for executing them right. Also electrics aren’t that hard when you’ve practiced them and gotten used to the inputs, if they had power crush properties that would easily make them the most broken tools in the game. A long range power crush launcher that can’t be punished and absorbs attacks… yikes.
I got into Hwoarang when i saw how brutally my bro punished everyone, and he did it effortlessly. On tekken 7, i used Leo, Kazumi and Hwoarang, but hwoarang scratches the itch for creative and fluid combo and play
I am hardstuck blue with hwo, but even as a noob i can say his problem is NOT HAVING get off me panic tools. You know a move that screams, oh fuck samsara, oh fuck hopkick, oh fuck full launch parry for 50% damage.
like, i played some t7, but i just pressed buttons for a few weeks then gave up and played something else. t8 is when i decided i was gonna learn tekken for real. that being said the new systems do seem normal to me, since this is the first tekken that im like, really really playing. i enjoy power crushes and heat. with power crushes it makes me feel like i have a legit tool against mashers. i feel heat adds a cool level of strategy to rounds. do you wait and save your heat for a late round turn around or do you try to engage early for an early round domination attempt? or do you shoot for a mid round blitz? do you use your heat through specific moves or through a combo extension? all of these different heat strategies are on top of what was already there with tekken and each char will wanna make diff decisions. im not gonna list my opinion of all of the new systems like chip and guard break and chip health deleting throws, but it all seems like a part of the game to me and nothing really seems out of place.
I've been a Hwo main for a while & i think most of the hate is from the lower ranks. He's easily a scrub killer. I RARELY hear hate from blue & higher ranks. Is he still a viable option? Of course, but you low-key gotta play mind games against high level players cause they been fighting Hwo since he was introduced.
If an opponent isn't punishing Hwoa correctly that's not down to you tbf, Hwoa also can have such mental stack game it can force those mistakes on ppl which can also be down to how good you oppress ppl with Hwoa
I mean I'll never know what it's like to play in your environment, with your competition but abandoning Hwoarang is a crazy thought, he's been my go to since way back, so the attachment is there and i never have as much fun playing any other characters. For better or for worse, I'll always be a Hwoarang main and i will be tekken emporer if it kills me lol
I think Hwo is about as mid tier as he can be. He can definitely be insanely strong if he gets going, but man, someone that knows the matchup and forces you to play neutral, it makes him difficult af to succeed in
one thing abt guard breaks i will say its annoying but i understand that its a bit justified because the characters they gave them to made sense tbh but like bro why am i dying for BLOCKING????💀
I main Hwoarang. Got to Kishin, been playing since release. Haven’t played a tekken game since tekken 6. He is fun kicking people. Getting to tekken king ranked will be a challenge
What I need to know is why they removed so much from him, from Tekken 7, that allowed him to compete. Because 7 was so heavily focused on doing BIG numbers and have solid defense, Hwoarang at least did super well just due to him having some of the the best wall carry in game, and a super versatile kit. He might have not been overly strong in one category, but he could still do a good deal and pressure people with the right skillset. Now, don't get me wrong, they did good by us this go round too. Allowing us to use 3~4, while in right flamingo is pretty fire. The ability to extend off of UF 3+4f, also a fine addition. Another great addition is that d4,4 acts as a combo extender now too. 2,3 from RS DF4 is GREAT, especially against the wall. All great for making his structure a little bit more diverse. The problems are, NOW, not only can EVERYONE do decent numbers and wall carry, but they also made his combo strategy harder with little/less reward than he used to get, and then they turned around and either nerfed some of his better options or flat out removed his CH potential where he needed/ used to have it. Changes I can somewhat understand and deal with, are the nerfs to d3,4, and subsequently, the rebalance of d4,3 in RF. Especially given they added an extendable 3 to it, for CH. The removal of DF 1+2 is like, who would even miss that button, fortunately. Now, onto the BIG problems. Right out the gate. . . WHY THE FUCK IS THERE NO COMBO POTENTIAL ON RAW BACK LASH?! D3 in RF doesn't launch anymore, why? B4 in RF doesn't crumple people anymore? Even on counter? Why? 2, 2 in RS doesn't launch anymore, on ch, why? B3 in LF doesn't launch unless you waste burst on it? And the route is EXTREMELY limited, why?! Why is FF4, 3 in RS just gone all together? LS UB 3,3 and 3,4? ( I understand UB3 is the new soccer kick, but it was fine as it was prior. It could easily be used to replace DF 1+2 alternatively.) These are all great mid-poke tools that he had to ensure people couldn't just duck on auto-pilot. I personally fail to grasp why they thought the removal of these tools was the way to go for him. WS4,4 gets beat BY SO. MANY. THINGS. DESPITE BEING 11F? like excuse the fuck out of me for wanting to have a wake-up option outside of 2,3, which I can also barely use or get more than 55 damage off, IF that. And let's not even get into how his heat-smash or sometimes even right flamingo 4,3 flat out won't wall splat in some of the dumbest scenarios. I could go on and on about some of the other nuance shit. But these examples are by far the worst offenders that leave me questioning just what the hell they were thinking when they were altering his tool-set. Anyway, I'm just getting my thoughts out as I practice. If you've anything with substance to input, by all means, clue me in.
@@beastmodebeta the move recovers nearly instantly, its perfectly fine, i do think hwo could use buffs for his neutral tho but hes fine in other places
@@AzarathX. That's the balance to having 20+ frames? It, along with other facets of his kit, that I already wrote about, could all use work given other characters can do similar things, better. Steve breaks guard, Xiao, gets a full launch, Lee gets heat engager, etc etc. They constantly give other things he can use, to other people.
Is he viable for someone starting now? i really liked him when i was little and wanted to pick him up as main now that i actualy want to play tekken seriously. Is he a good option for someone who constantly drops combos XD ?
Hwoarang is still probably good imo, no matter what they really do to him he's still gonna have solid basic tools to where i feel like even if they gutted him he'd still be tournament viable
I would like to say I want to play Hwoarang but I just don't like him and I've found new picks like Law, Dragunov, Nina and Alisa that tend to get the job done if I don't mess up Hwoarang ranks top on my list of disliked characters excluding him from my personal roster for the time being we aren't just talking strength either there are other reasons. Reina is there for personality reasons and King has kind of floated out of the roster...I also dislike Victor but will grudgingly admit he can be powerful if you nail his kit.
I feel the same way, I’ve been using him since tag 1 so it’s hard to just drop the character like that. You’re actually disgusting with him though so you can’t really tell 🤣
The hwo downplay in every single game is so tired lol. I guess the backlash, safer df34, and armor moves from t7 were actually good huh? And now that power crush can be beat alot more, df34 is more punishable, and backlash doesn't launch and all of a sudden those WERE good moves in t7? Why did everyone constantly downplay them lol
Whatever the opposite of downplaying is, is what Kwiss is doing because aint no way. I dont think I have ever lost to a Hwoarang player. One of the only characters I feel relief fighting (not saying I will beat K wiss but the general public cannot use this character)
@@runayswarts970 Your only other comment on my channel is saying that Kaz’s buffs were justified because of his online win rate. I’m sorry but your opinion on balance has been officially rejected, please try again next time and have a lovely day :)
Tier list is a nice thing to argue, but it dont have actual meaning, and i guess u streamers like it because it creates conflict and, at the end of the day, u get the views u expect to get; like politicians do, divide and conquer. As humans we cant avoid to compare things from our own point of view, so saying hwo is not top ten or the opposite doenst mean anything, he is strong, not just "decent" or "good", he is not broken like Drag, Jin, Nina, Feng, Shaheen, Law, and King but he needs some atention (d3 4, no matter what u say, u know why every1 talks about it, it is cheap even if it is punishable, Rstance df3 its a bit mad too since its a homming mid + on block that covers Hwo main weakness, the tracking once u get some distance, it shouldnt be plus or it should be a high). Actually this game was created by professionals that put a lot of effort in giving every char a chance to win, so, there is no weak char in this game. Yes, there r broken chars and moves in there yet, the data is accumulating day after day and they have more data than us. I just hope they use that data to fix the game and not the opinions of the players, doesnt care if this players r professionals or average players.
Tierlist remove the player element. There's the character, hwoarang. Then there's the player, Kwiss. He very briefly touched on that point when talking about Steve. But the list refers to character match ups and specific situations. When ppl call characters weak it comes down to matchups and how characters interact it isn't necessarily calling them in unviable. But yada yada that's all i got to say. I don't see Kwiss as someone who is trying to separate for content
Let's also not forget professionals mess up, daily. If there are broken characters, the potential for weak characters exists. The rest could also all just be normal. But to say there's no weak characters because professionals made the game is retarded. Some kits are much easier to use and work in much more situations. In a literal sense everyone is viable, but tht doesnt make them strong. Especially when u add the player element back to the conversation, having to be so much more involved than your opponent for an entire tournament is beyond difficult. N I play the game, so that's no disrespect to devs i enjoy the game. To ignore the opinions of the players is also not smart. Obviously there needs to be a balance when addressing opinions but tekken is notoriously difficult and technical. Gotta know who to listen to, and generally. professionals are quite informed. And don't misunderstand what i mean by *listen to* . I'm not sure how my messages got split into two
@@sstanford1331 U r rigth and wrong at the same time, im not saying there arent weaker chars than others, obviously, if there r chars that r broken, there r those who dont. They maybe r weaker and just "maybe", but they r not weak for sure, all the chars r viable in this game, and that difference is mainly because of the broken chars, not because the "weaker" ones need something extra. I did say that professionals put a lot of effort in giving every char a chance to win, but i said it because i have eyes and ive played the game, im good at analytical thinking and ive seen how strongs chars can be once u face the rigth opponent. Ppl said panda is the worst and there is some1 out there destrying every1 with panda now. The player is the main issue of course, but still there are broken chars and moves they need to get fixed and, y its important to take ppl opinions on one hand, just to look at it, but ppl opinions r just that, they should mainly focus in the data, after all, people lies for many reasons and they believe their own lies.
@@MarcelHarjo why is it the people who clearly have a poor understanding of this game are the most vocal and try to ridicule others? Before the change if heat bursts were triggered at the same time they would clash and both characters were pushed back. Now if that happens the second one will always win which makes no sense because why would they reward the 2nd player for being “late” (which may not even be the case because they could still be activated on the same frame but the animation zoom ins will never trigger at the same time). So it looks like an oversight of the way heat bursts interact with power crushes
Nxt patch notes gonna be like “Hwoarang still isn’t performing satisfyingly well, so we’re going to cut off his legs” 💀😭
😂😂😂
I don't think you are downplaying the character.
I think what happens is that you for maining the character you have a bigger understanding of the characters weaknesses because you are dealing with the rest of the cast, where your opponents, those that don't main Hwoarang... Are mostly just seeing his "streanths" because they have to fight against him.
That's for every character/player, also this will depend on the level of understanding of tekken that the player got.
I think for you, he’s a great option because you’re one of the best in the world with a him. But I’ll be honest I don’t think he’s all that good. I started out with him. I played about 500 matches with him and then switched to Law. I would say I beat him 95% of the time when I play against him. He needs some buffs in my opinion. I don’t think people realize how easy he is to interrupt and you’re right ever since that Nerf he’s become very easy to launch. (at least for me)
To add to this, I hate laws, I think he is an hard counter to hwoarang. Every single damned thing is a CH launcher and I cant even go flamingo because of it.
@@yuriteixeira5816 I agree with you
@@yuriteixeira5816 I agree with you, Law and Steve will are definitely the hardest match up for him.
@@michaeldietz2648 my only comment on Steve is treat him like Yoshi.
Armor through every single thing you can, it tends to make them stop moving and throwing hard hitting stuff
My climb with Rei and Jin has been EXCEPTIONALLY easier. I still main Hwo but even w the prowess matchmaking Mishima’s (and most of the cast) are just overall WAY easier to play and climb with.
Thanks for showing different matches. Watching videos like this for me is always sitting with a notebook to catch some new combo mix ups and how to deal with some situations. Love your content!
25:00 Okay tbf that Steve was sick as fuck, bro was gaming fr fr
I’m Tekken Emperor and I still have yet to lab Hwo😂 Like I do decent enough against him cause of just gametime, but I really need to watch replays and lab him one day.💀😭
My tekken 8 story
Man I love that intro music, hope you never change that
I think, within reason, after PLAYING Hwoarang and Labbing him... The Down 3, 4 Nerf was warranted. Because of the insane Frame Advantage, Hwo gets to make a more or less Guaranteed Play where the Opponent can't really Sidestep/Sidewalk, can't Backdash out, and can't even Mash Armour Moves. A lot of characters don't have access to a truly Guaranteed Mix even when they Hit. SOME do, but it's uncommon at the highest levels of the Game when you've done your homework. Yes, before there were Guaranteed Punishes if you were fast enough and playing a Character with a High Crushing Counter-Hit, but now almost if not all Characters are given a true Launch Punish. This is reasonable because the Range is not bad on the Attack and Hwo can do it from Left Flamingo as well.
I understand Hwo Players' frustration in the Nerf and how it was an Attack that was unchanged for years, but most characters would kill for such a potent Mixup-Starter in Game like Tekken where there are multiple answers for your Offence even when you Hit someone. Hwo's D 3, 4 still nets a Guaranteed Mix and could let you bully weaker and/or nervous Players trying to Punish it. EVEN NOW, you can still kinda do that but it's way less consistent. D 3, 4 still Transitions into Right Flamingo and doesn't do the heavy Stagger Block Animation. It's fine. It's just now risky more consistently instead of risky depending on the Opposing Character, which it should have been anyway.
Easy to get through low/mid ranks where people have no idea how to deal with his pressure but in the ranks where fundamentals starts not super good
RIP Power crush (again). My man doesn't learn, we are supposed to call our character the shittiest D- tier the whole time, so we get some buffs that even developers don't understand why are happening.
Hwo players get bullied into saying our character is OP
How did they nerf power crush? Away for 3 weeks and a nerf happens
So we gotta be like Kazuya players ☺️
@@DaRaZiO98real
In heat, I believe Hwo is S tier. Outside of heat, the problem is, he is just very predictable. When he gets his leg up, it is either this or that, and the problem is, there are 'gaps' in between his moves. He, basically, tells the other player, "You have time to guess" when he goes into his flamengo stances, especially the ones that require holding a button. Reina has the same problem, as she has a huge gap in some of her strings as well, giving time to the player to react. He should have more moves like df 3+4.
So you want him to have uninterruptible flowing offense with no opportunity to interrupt unless the opponent manages to guess right?
@@ea0731I just want him to have flowing offense like other characters have. Strings that can lead to counter hits if the player mashes. That's all. I don't like the fact that players get time to basically react to move of his moves. He kind of 'stops' to tell I am about to do this. Other character don't have this problem.
@@theplaymakerno1 which characters are you talking about exactly? The only other character I can think of with flowing offense is Lars with all his stance transitions. You’re basically asking for Hwoarang to be uninterruptible and for every move transition to be a full 50/50 gamble on the opponents part… do you not see how broken that would make him?
17:52 I will never understand why people aren't like this more often. If I'm bad at a game and something destroys me, I'm gonna assume I just don't know how to deal with it, not that it's broken cause I know I'm not playing the game optimally.
I think I said it last time but I'll say it again, I love this style of video.
K-Wiss: "Side Wall, don't you dare."
Side Wall: *not moving, yet scheming with malice*
8:05 - 8:07 I have no idea why or how Jack did a full 180 turn. Funny things happen when K-Wiss plays against Jack on that stage.
17:22 - 17:28 Side Wall: *evil laughter*
I played Tekken 7 for five or six years, and Tekken 8's mechanical changes aren't really jarring to me. There are some character specific changes/additions that stick out and a few other aspects that bug me, but I've just rolled with the changes for the most part.
32:35 - 32:40 I'd be upset. I don't know if K-Wiss was late or Steve was at the perfect distance where that punish wouldn't work, but that was a robbery.
I think hwo is in an ok spot. Does he need slight buffs? Maybe, just a little. I like where hes at. I just hope they dont nerf him again.
Also, for the 3rd time.
Good luck at the EWC LCQ! 💪🏾
just make rff b4 launcher and hellsweep launch on first hit ch
About your power crush point for a new player at 22:30 in my mind it’s weird that certain attacks don’t break armour. This might be a weird argument but I kinda feel that just frame attacks should break through armour at times? E.g. an electric or Jfsr not being able to go through armour seems weird as they are quite high skill launchers. But yeah power crushes design in general seem weird in this game
So then a character like Lidia would have like 5/6 powercrush moves? It would make the game unbalanced if just frame moves were power crushes, that is unless every character had just frame moves. Electrics already have the benefit of being unpunishable launchers, and just frame moves give you more damage for executing them right.
Also electrics aren’t that hard when you’ve practiced them and gotten used to the inputs, if they had power crush properties that would easily make them the most broken tools in the game. A long range power crush launcher that can’t be punished and absorbs attacks… yikes.
in tk7 eddy was trash and sperogin kept saying nah eddy is good kwiss is doing the same thing defending the character and i love to see it
I got into Hwoarang when i saw how brutally my bro punished everyone, and he did it effortlessly. On tekken 7, i used Leo, Kazumi and Hwoarang, but hwoarang scratches the itch for creative and fluid combo and play
And the way I got continuesly humbled with the alt stance throw😭😭😭😭
WTF..k wiss y u had to mention the power crush man.. seriously.. GG
hes in a good place.the point where you not truly happy but not incredibly disappointed in the character.
I am hardstuck blue with hwo, but even as a noob i can say his problem is NOT HAVING get off me panic tools. You know a move that screams, oh fuck samsara, oh fuck hopkick, oh fuck full launch parry for 50% damage.
like, i played some t7, but i just pressed buttons for a few weeks then gave up and played something else. t8 is when i decided i was gonna learn tekken for real. that being said the new systems do seem normal to me, since this is the first tekken that im like, really really playing. i enjoy power crushes and heat.
with power crushes it makes me feel like i have a legit tool against mashers. i feel heat adds a cool level of strategy to rounds. do you wait and save your heat for a late round turn around or do you try to engage early for an early round domination attempt? or do you shoot for a mid round blitz? do you use your heat through specific moves or through a combo extension? all of these different heat strategies are on top of what was already there with tekken and each char will wanna make diff decisions.
im not gonna list my opinion of all of the new systems like chip and guard break and chip health deleting throws, but it all seems like a part of the game to me and nothing really seems out of place.
I've been a Hwo main for a while & i think most of the hate is from the lower ranks. He's easily a scrub killer. I RARELY hear hate from blue & higher ranks. Is he still a viable option? Of course, but you low-key gotta play mind games against high level players cause they been fighting Hwo since he was introduced.
If an opponent isn't punishing Hwoa correctly that's not down to you tbf, Hwoa also can have such mental stack game it can force those mistakes on ppl which can also be down to how good you oppress ppl with Hwoa
Taking mixups on punishments is cheap, end of
@@mbongeni12what are you referring to?
@@mbongeni12please clarify
I mean I'll never know what it's like to play in your environment, with your competition but abandoning Hwoarang is a crazy thought, he's been my go to since way back, so the attachment is there and i never have as much fun playing any other characters. For better or for worse, I'll always be a Hwoarang main and i will be tekken emporer if it kills me lol
But a very acceptable substitute is running a set against you if you ever come to the northeast USA. That's bucket list right there.
I think Hwo is about as mid tier as he can be.
He can definitely be insanely strong if he gets going, but man, someone that knows the matchup and forces you to play neutral, it makes him difficult af to succeed in
He needs to be buffed been my main since T3 but my boy has a lot of weak points. He's way too punishable
one thing abt guard breaks i will say its annoying but i understand that its a bit justified because the characters they gave them to made sense tbh but like bro why am i dying for BLOCKING????💀
I main Hwoarang. Got to Kishin, been playing since release. Haven’t played a tekken game since tekken 6. He is fun kicking people. Getting to tekken king ranked will be a challenge
Tbh Steves Stance without the PC breaker is quite terrible, you could challenge everything, like you could in the past.
What I need to know is why they removed so much from him, from Tekken 7, that allowed him to compete. Because 7 was so heavily focused on doing BIG numbers and have solid defense, Hwoarang at least did super well just due to him having some of the the best wall carry in game, and a super versatile kit. He might have not been overly strong in one category, but he could still do a good deal and pressure people with the right skillset.
Now, don't get me wrong, they did good by us this go round too. Allowing us to use 3~4, while in right flamingo is pretty fire. The ability to extend off of UF 3+4f, also a fine addition. Another great addition is that d4,4 acts as a combo extender now too. 2,3 from RS DF4 is GREAT, especially against the wall. All great for making his structure a little bit more diverse.
The problems are, NOW, not only can EVERYONE do decent numbers and wall carry, but they also made his combo strategy harder with little/less reward than he used to get, and then they turned around and either nerfed some of his better options or flat out removed his CH potential where he needed/ used to have it.
Changes I can somewhat understand and deal with, are the nerfs to d3,4, and subsequently, the rebalance of d4,3 in RF. Especially given they added an extendable 3 to it, for CH. The removal of DF 1+2 is like, who would even miss that button, fortunately.
Now, onto the BIG problems.
Right out the gate. . .
WHY THE FUCK IS THERE NO COMBO POTENTIAL ON RAW BACK LASH?!
D3 in RF doesn't launch anymore, why?
B4 in RF doesn't crumple people anymore? Even on counter? Why?
2, 2 in RS doesn't launch anymore, on ch, why?
B3 in LF doesn't launch unless you waste burst on it? And the route is EXTREMELY limited, why?!
Why is FF4, 3 in RS just gone all together?
LS UB 3,3 and 3,4? ( I understand UB3 is the new soccer kick, but it was fine as it was prior. It could easily be used to replace DF 1+2 alternatively.)
These are all great mid-poke tools that he had to ensure people couldn't just duck on auto-pilot. I personally fail to grasp why they thought the removal of these tools was the way to go for him.
WS4,4 gets beat BY SO. MANY. THINGS. DESPITE BEING 11F? like excuse the fuck out of me for wanting to have a wake-up option outside of 2,3, which I can also barely use or get more than 55 damage off, IF that.
And let's not even get into how his heat-smash or sometimes even right flamingo 4,3 flat out won't wall splat in some of the dumbest scenarios.
I could go on and on about some of the other nuance shit. But these examples are by far the worst offenders that leave me questioning just what the hell they were thinking when they were altering his tool-set. Anyway, I'm just getting my thoughts out as I practice. If you've anything with substance to input, by all means, clue me in.
backlash does NOT need to launch, especially in this game 😭
@@AzarathX. Just lower your forehead.
@@beastmodebeta the move recovers nearly instantly, its perfectly fine, i do think hwo could use buffs for his neutral tho but hes fine in other places
@@AzarathX. That's the balance to having 20+ frames? It, along with other facets of his kit, that I already wrote about, could all use work given other characters can do similar things, better. Steve breaks guard, Xiao, gets a full launch, Lee gets heat engager, etc etc. They constantly give other things he can use, to other people.
4:24 hhmmmm indeed 😂😂
5:30 i thought it was a recorded one...like a multi tasking computer 😂
Auto pilot
I love playing Hwoarang but recently I got robbed so many times because of his inconsistencies at the wall. Bottom 5 character. Please buff him.
he's not bottom 5😂
@@michelangelo.6695ofc he is lmao. If only you are willing to lab him, then you'll realize, he's not that good as you thought
bottom 5 ? 💀💀
@@AzarathX. He’s above Panda, Raven, Asuka, and Shaheen.
@@Alonzone are u claiming shaheen is bottom 4 ?? 😭
Is he viable for someone starting now? i really liked him when i was little and wanted to pick him up as main now that i actualy want to play tekken seriously. Is he a good option for someone who constantly drops combos XD ?
Hwoarang is still probably good imo, no matter what they really do to him he's still gonna have solid basic tools to where i feel like even if they gutted him he'd still be tournament viable
Agreed. Hwo's Tools are a bit skewed but his Heat is good, he has good Whiff Punishment, and has a Generic DF1 and DF2 to boot.
[fake bri'ish accent]: are you trolling bruv?
I would like to say I want to play Hwoarang but I just don't like him and I've found new picks like Law, Dragunov, Nina and Alisa that tend to get the job done if I don't mess up Hwoarang ranks top on my list of disliked characters excluding him from my personal roster for the time being we aren't just talking strength either there are other reasons.
Reina is there for personality reasons and King has kind of floated out of the roster...I also dislike Victor but will grudgingly admit he can be powerful if you nail his kit.
I’ve been saying this for longest fuck it give Hwo a hell sweep from wave dash
Hworangs power crushes are still op
I feel the same way, I’ve been using him since tag 1 so it’s hard to just drop the character like that. You’re actually disgusting with him though so you can’t really tell 🤣
With a game that relies on offence and Hwoarang being an aggressive mixup terrorist you can bet ur a$$ he's a viable pick for tournaments.
This response does not seem thought out.
@@sstanford1331 I'm sorry you expect an essay with thesis, body and a conclusion on a TH-cam video? 🤣
what is hwoarang 13 frame counter hit launcher in heat ?
DF3 in right foot forward stance.
@@tonythewisk9114 is that 13 frames ?
@@Spiderlily_tk yes
wanna know what is pain ? try being main steve☠
i don't mind you playing that steve i play the charater too
He is strong but he ain't top 10 strong and beats my ass most of the time but it's cause im lazy to lab him
He’s easily top 10
No he ain't, probably Top 20 not Top 10
@@ylobenzI am very interested in who you think the Top 10 characters are in this game if you think Hwoarang is easily one of them
@@ylobenzhe is not top 10 ..
@@K-Wiss most broken pressure in the game with infinite armored moves he’s easily top 10 hwoarang players just don’t like their character
2:15 hwoarang religion 😂
I would love 2 see anakin switch char once i think he'd win lol
Is still one of the most broken ones
The hwo downplay in every single game is so tired lol. I guess the backlash, safer df34, and armor moves from t7 were actually good huh? And now that power crush can be beat alot more, df34 is more punishable, and backlash doesn't launch and all of a sudden those WERE good moves in t7? Why did everyone constantly downplay them lol
@@nicholasgalli33 is the Hwo downplay in the room with us?
At this point, just delete the character from the game, character doesn't work neither if he's good or he's bad
Nerf tekken 8. The whole game
Finally maybe he'll quit the fanatic downplay
@@BlaqPharaoh What does this even mean?
The hwarang copium is real!
Sounds to me like he’s balanced 🤷🏿♂️ idk
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The fact that the d3,4 “nerf” is still being talked about almost two months later is insane… in the words of Elsa: LET IT GO
@@ea0731 Is it not relevant in a video talking about the strength of the character, where he sits currently and where he might end up?
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Imagine complaining and being a hwoarang main wtf?
@@IlyasNashid Imagine watching this video and coming away with that conclusion wtf?
Whatever the opposite of downplaying is, is what Kwiss is doing because aint no way. I dont think I have ever lost to a Hwoarang player. One of the only characters I feel relief fighting (not saying I will beat K wiss but the general public cannot use this character)
d3,4 should have always just been launch, you got away with it for way too long
@@runayswarts970 Your only other comment on my channel is saying that Kaz’s buffs were justified because of his online win rate. I’m sorry but your opinion on balance has been officially rejected, please try again next time and have a lovely day :)
@@K-Wiss every argument stands on it's own merits, regardless of who it comes from or what they said before on a different issue.
Kazuya players be like:
You could have a better guy than hwoarang. I mean like have you ever considered Ganryu?
Lmao😂 agreed
Just play Jin instead 😏
Problem is with Hwoarang, he doesnt need fundamentals just jfsr execution and he gets by with cheap lows, abusive strings and high damage
You’re talking about a different level of play than I am
Tier list is a nice thing to argue, but it dont have actual meaning, and i guess u streamers like it because it creates conflict and, at the end of the day, u get the views u expect to get; like politicians do, divide and conquer. As humans we cant avoid to compare things from our own point of view, so saying hwo is not top ten or the opposite doenst mean anything, he is strong, not just "decent" or "good", he is not broken like Drag, Jin, Nina, Feng, Shaheen, Law, and King but he needs some atention (d3 4, no matter what u say, u know why every1 talks about it, it is cheap even if it is punishable, Rstance df3 its a bit mad too since its a homming mid + on block that covers Hwo main weakness, the tracking once u get some distance, it shouldnt be plus or it should be a high). Actually this game was created by professionals that put a lot of effort in giving every char a chance to win, so, there is no weak char in this game. Yes, there r broken chars and moves in there yet, the data is accumulating day after day and they have more data than us. I just hope they use that data to fix the game and not the opinions of the players, doesnt care if this players r professionals or average players.
Tierlist remove the player element. There's the character, hwoarang. Then there's the player, Kwiss. He very briefly touched on that point when talking about Steve. But the list refers to character match ups and specific situations.
When ppl call characters weak it comes down to matchups and how characters interact it isn't necessarily calling them in unviable. But yada yada that's all i got to say. I don't see Kwiss as someone who is trying to separate for content
Let's also not forget professionals mess up, daily. If there are broken characters, the potential for weak characters exists. The rest could also all just be normal. But to say there's no weak characters because professionals made the game is retarded. Some kits are much easier to use and work in much more situations. In a literal sense everyone is viable, but tht doesnt make them strong. Especially when u add the player element back to the conversation, having to be so much more involved than your opponent for an entire tournament is beyond difficult. N I play the game, so that's no disrespect to devs i enjoy the game.
To ignore the opinions of the players is also not smart. Obviously there needs to be a balance when addressing opinions but tekken is notoriously difficult and technical. Gotta know who to listen to, and generally. professionals are quite informed. And don't misunderstand what i mean by *listen to* .
I'm not sure how my messages got split into two
@@sstanford1331 U r rigth and wrong at the same time, im not saying there arent weaker chars than others, obviously, if there r chars that r broken, there r those who dont. They maybe r weaker and just "maybe", but they r not weak for sure, all the chars r viable in this game, and that difference is mainly because of the broken chars, not because the "weaker" ones need something extra. I did say that professionals put a lot of effort in giving every char a chance to win, but i said it because i have eyes and ive played the game, im good at analytical thinking and ive seen how strongs chars can be once u face the rigth opponent. Ppl said panda is the worst and there is some1 out there destrying every1 with panda now. The player is the main issue of course, but still there are broken chars and moves they need to get fixed and, y its important to take ppl opinions on one hand, just to look at it, but ppl opinions r just that, they should mainly focus in the data, after all, people lies for many reasons and they believe their own lies.
The way I stomp hworangs I don’t think he’s a viable pick
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How is it a bug when the 2nd heat burst wins you know heat burst have armor rightttttttt lol
@@MarcelHarjo why is it the people who clearly have a poor understanding of this game are the most vocal and try to ridicule others? Before the change if heat bursts were triggered at the same time they would clash and both characters were pushed back. Now if that happens the second one will always win which makes no sense because why would they reward the 2nd player for being “late” (which may not even be the case because they could still be activated on the same frame but the animation zoom ins will never trigger at the same time). So it looks like an oversight of the way heat bursts interact with power crushes
Also he's way too safe, flappy kicks and db3 ch carry alot
They made d3,4 launch punishable with ANYTHING...AND made the power crush throw punishable. You want more? Go play madden
What are you talking about? Db 3 sucks
Flappy kicks is easily launched
@@Alonzone ch low launcher sucks? What rank are you? Garyu
@@TheSoufiane It’s db4 ch not 3
Another long video? We don't deserve you 🥲 your timing is too perfect💯🫡🔥 ps, I fought this J.D. dude at one point too, he's pretty decent to be honest