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GDM-W900 were AWESOME. We owned two of them. It was only CRT I ever seen that was totally artifact free OVER WHOLE AREA. You could run it 1920x1200 and every SINGLE PIXEL would be FRIGGIN IDEAL. No defocus, not color bloom, no distortions, nothing ever.
lol I just read you commenting this in a Linus video, that showed a clip of this monitor. Your comment led me down a rabbit hole on this monitor. I end up on this video, and here you are again, longing for this monitor :p
There is one on eBay right now. He's local to me and through communication I found out he actually had 4. So I bought one today for a very reasonable price. He might be up to sell 1 more. His ebay handle is cross eyed zombie hunter. I think there are still 2 day's left for the one on auction.
Thanks Z. Long time viewer. I left the audio scene a while ago, and had a few hobbies here and there. I ended up discovering how amazing CRT monitors truly are. I have two Dell P1110 monitors which I have officially proclaimed my endgame monitors. Funny how the world bring us together again. I would love one of these and have family located in Pennsylvania. But, I don’t think I’ll be winning any yard sale bids. Thank you for years of enjoyment.
So When Crysis came out I built a computer and bought a nice lcd and thought I was king. I had a xbox 360 and played it on a crt hd tv looked awesome. I then bought a lcd tv and it looked horrible. Which made me think what's going on. I did my research and that changed my life forever. I am now a FW 900 owner for life. I own 5 of them and even now OLED dont compare when gaming you get lag and motion blur. The picture in stills is close but I still prefer the FW900.
How would you get five GDM FW900 I have an lacie electron blue iv and Vision Master pro 454. Also owned an HP P1230 and HP P1130 they were great as well but I might die without an GDM FW 900
Omg I got my Sony GDM-FW900 back in 2015 and was absolutely blown away by it. I spent the time to calibrate it as well as I could. Back in the CRT days I had smaller lower end CRTs, and almost completely forgot how great those could look. Since then I started a small collection with a few LaCie Electron Blue IV 22", Iiyama Vision Master 514 among others. Last week after looking for years I finally got my hands on a couple Sony GDM-F520 and once again I got blown away. Absolute masterpieces!
Damn I have an Pro 514 with u3 tube electronics fine but all the guns worn out sadly bought it like this and did not see the issue at first. Do you have a spare 514 with other issues than the tube
You can use software called LookingGlass that copies the frame buffer of one graphics card and send it to another GPU for output. Could take a 3090/6900XT for acceleration and output video passthrough with a DVI-I dual link capable card.
Thats a good idea, though i wonder how spotty the software compatibility would be as multi-gpu support is basically extinct these days. It might also get flagged by some online games anti-cheat. I'm also curious about how much of a latency hit you'll take. Right now the best i can hope for is that GPU vendors go back to making more diverse custom PCB's, and finding one with a DVI-I port (probably an import from Asia market), but i'm not holding my breath on that considering the state of the world right now with regards to computer hardware manufacturing :(
Holy shit I want one of these so bad. They are incredibly rare in my country, haven't seen one for sale anywhere in like 3 years now. I found a single one in kinda bad condition for like 3000 bucks and I'd have to drive like 700 miles to pick it up. One day I'll get one, these are so fucking amazing.
There were CRT's that came with a Degauss built in but it looks like all of those could use a good degaussing, especially the one that's to green. Basically you need a large fairly powerful magnet and you start at the center of the screen you want to degauss after the monitor has fully warmed up. Then slowly work your way to the outer edges in an ever larger circular motion. You do this working from the center and start making small circles getting larger until you no longer see the magnet having any effect on the screen. If your magnet is the right power you will end up making circles about 3ft in diameter from the screen yet on the same plain. Hope I've explained this correctly as it was part of the normal maintenance of CRT's and depending on placement of the monitor could be something you need to do monthly. I used to be director of management for Nickelodeon Arcades back in the late 90's early 00's which meant I had to deal with a ton of CRT's as every video arcade machine had one in it. Being so close to each other meant that they had to be degaussed biweekly to monthly due to the machines they were next to also having CRT's which throw off one heck of a field. Hope that helps anyone who bids on these because you'd be surprised just how much that simple maintenance procedure can correct the colors and overall alignment of the gun/guns in these old monitors...
Damnit dude... I was trying to psych myself up to sell my PVMs and BVMs and now you're making me want to keep them! You are 100% correct. There is nothing like a good CRT display when it comes to colors, contrast and smoothness of motion. I bought a Sony A1E OLED back when it first release and it's still a damn good OLED TV even compared to today's beasts, but I hooked it up to an HDMI splitter, pushed an old flat panel, 32 inch, 200lb monster of a CRT underneath it, and played Horizon Zero Dawn on both at the same time. The OLED didn't even come close. Colors were fantastic on both, but the CRT's lack of motion blur when panning 100% clinched it for me. I gave the OLED TV to my parents and have used the CRT ever since. When the consoles stop supporting 1080i or 720p I suppose I'll have to make the switch again.
You can connect vga monitor to modern pc with display port to vga converter, a lot of them can work on non standard refresh rates too. Also unlike tvs, crt pc monitors are designed to trow beta radiation on the sides and top of the display and not on the front or bottom.
See this is what I mean! Appreciation of these beautiful displays and willingness to give onto others, Not someone who clearly knows the value of these monitors and only wants profit but someone who knows they won't last forever and wants to give it another home. You sir have my respect! and just got yourself another subscriber.
There is nothing better than a good CRT,, Tops everything... I secretly hope a company brings the tech back, its impossible to think of the future without CRTs
@@berryblade1305Most of the people don't know better. They choose LCD because it looks flashy in a bright room. Because of those people we lost plasma.
I pray someday they make a modern version of this but with blue laser raster scan and Quantum dot aperture grille. That would be hands down the best monitor ever made.
As a CRT collector I hope so as well. But it's never going to happen. The production process of these things is super complicated, and was only profitable back when we had massive factories serving many millions of units every year. Those factories, and their personnel are long gone. With the current low levels of demand for these things, it will never get to an affordable level anymore.
TYPING FIRST SENTENCE IN ALL CAPS TO BE AS SPAMMY AS POSSIBLE. Z, the adapter you want is the Startech DP2VGAHD20. That one works at 1900x1200@85Hz without any glitches. All credit to the folks on the HardForum thread for finding that. I use it on my gaming PC with the VGA to BNC breakout cable and it looks amazing! Also you may want to keep one of those bad boys in case the flyback or something goes out. My fingers are crossed that mine lasts the rest of the LCD dark age! QD-OLED sounds promising but I don't know if it will beat CRT motion resolution. Cheers and thanks for helping make sure the world doesn't forget about these!
I had a Viewsonic 19" flat panel CRT monitor in 4:3, and I loved that thing. Brought it to college and beyond. My nephew, who got into retro gaming, wanted it a few years ago, so I gave it to him. I'm glad he's enjoying it even to this day. But damn... I miss that thing. I know these Sony models are legendary, and ugh I will have a CRT again.
I owned a flat Trinaton for years, mind you it was only a Dell, but I have fond memories of it. I only "upgraded" away from it because of it's enormous size and weight, It was literally warping and breaking my desk.
For big screen best in class displays that outperform anything except CRTs for motion, check out the Panasonic ZT60 plasma screens. They have much less permanent burn in risk than OLED, top-tier color reproduction, longer panel life and more brightness than the Pioneer elite (which in their final days were, interestingly, made by Panasonic). It's the closest thing you can get to a big screen CRT. And it can indeed be called the best of the plasma screens, since none are now made. They also have a 96 Hz mode, which is a sort of fast-pixel-flicker multiplier applied to give the perfect adaptation of 24 Hz film signals.
I had one for many years. Blew my savings to pay full price for the lovely beast when it came out. Even paid to have it repaired, at one point. It died when two moving guys dropped it. I cried. Their bodies have not been found. /just kidding /maybe Anyone who wants this, you need a strong table/desk. It is no joke heavy. But, it is beautiful!
If you have at least a mid end CRT thats working properly, and you got a decent cpu, and you got a maxwell gpu and run your display with the classic dvi-i to vga adapter....i strongly recommend you play Resident Evil 7 on high settings, at 1280x800 , stretched, and turn all of the post-fx ON , tune the brightness properly, use REC709 color space. Nothing besides OLED comes close to that experience...i can personally confirm.
Zeos gets it. Very fond memories of that era ... had a 19" iiyama or maybe a 21", can't remember exactly. Only now with a 43" C1 OLED am I getting some of that visual satisfaction back.
I have a 34 inch crt 4:3 tandberg rebadged monivision that does 1024X768, will also do 16:9 resolutions up to 1366x768 and 1080i and it will also do 1920x1440i, it's surprisingly sharp. I love playing emulators on it, melee looks glorious and the colors just pop I love the way it glows and this is why I love plasma displays because they get the closest to crt and I've actually compared the crt to my plasma and colors and black levels are near identical, plasmas tend to glow like crts so I love em.
Have an FW900 and C520k and love both of them. Colors, brightness, and sharpness are better on the C520 but the extra real estate is great to have on the FW900. Makes me sad that we could have had Adobe RGB widescreen CRT's if LCD's didn't phase them out when they did. I think Unkle Vito has a prototype 24" Artisan but haven't seen any pics of it. There are converters which work really well with modern GPU's. I'm using a Vention CGMHA usb C to VGA adapter for my FW900 with BNC cables and can perfectly run 1920 x 1200 @ 85hz and even higher. The Delock 62967 DP to VGA adapter is also really good and use it on the C520k. Modern games can be played at lower resolutions with all the eye candy turned up with DLSS & DLDSR (for Nvidia cards) which look and play amazing.
i wish i could get FW900, just that no one's selling locally here anymore (pretty sure everyone kept theirs). im only using cheapo ACER AC713 at 1920x1200@60Hz (black bars) but its a beauty for colour, blackness and motion. used for photoediting, game and for movie. i ran at 720p@90Hz for gaming. wished interlaced worked on 2018 and above graphic cards so i could use 1920x1200i at 100Hz, really missed it (with DP to VGA adapter). to get pure blackness though i adjusted gamma to be like 1.9 or so even compared to my friend's 240Hz gaming monitor, the crt was unbeatable even for pure game for 1200i 100Hz, let alone 720i at 160Hz. only oled for computer monitor could replace crt i would say. but getting decent sized oled monitor for good price is not a thing for now
I completely feel you. Previously i thought my NEC / Mitsubishi Diamondtron FE2111SB was too dim but actually the white balance changes all electron gun settings and the only seeing that's good is sRGB with a max brightness of 10 set by sRGB too. Crts are such a great window to the content. It feels like you could touch it and then suddenly you come back to the realisation when you touched the tube. I would rather sell everything first before i lose my Sony OEV 143 and FE2111. The speed in any content is awesome. OLED can not get the fluidity. It's like the colour gets cut off due to the speed without what crts do best where the light decays smoothly
Isn't the 16:9 Sony the GOAT? Does this have better color and resolution. Another one I'm talking about was good because it was flat screen and 16 x 9. I forget the size. But that doesn't necessarily mean it was the best picture.
I have one of these. The FedEx drivers were praying (I could hear them through the door) that I was home when they delivered it because it was so damn heavy and cumbersome--it came in a wooden crate filled with industrial foam. Alas, the displayed died eight years ago and is now siting under a blanket on the floor in the corner of my computer room. This is (and will be?) the best professional photo/video editing display ever crafted. A little piece of my soul died when I lost it. Still...its obscene weight/size is prohibitive as anything practical for 2022.
Seriously contact Uncle Vito on the hard forums he might be able to fix whatever died. Because its always something small but shipping is teh nightmare.
I truly appreciate the suggestion for a fix; but, I think I've moved beyond the quality advantages and into the land of "I never want to (try and) move that ever again." I'm seriously considering donating this behemoth to the next occupants of my home as an art deco tech relic. Best wishes, Chad
oh man, i used to have a Sony Trinitron CRT and used it for sooo many darn years. i replaced it with a LCD in 2013 because when i first got prescription glasses i was effin shocked at how blurred the image it was producing was... in a sense, the reason i got prescription glasses was most likely BECAUSE i used it so much i probably got used to that blurry image. i feel sorry for doing that now that i know it probably was just a bad DVI-I cable... it was probably the best pc monitor i ever had, 1920x1200 85hz and 22"... i replaced it with a 1920x1080 60hz 24" display and while the image was a lot clearer, the Trinitron has a MUCH more realistic image and the colors it produced were AMAZING compared to the LCD i bought, and that was a pretty "high end professional graphics design LCD"... man i miss the old days when things just worked perfectly... right now i'm using an AW3420DW monitor, and to be honest if i still had my good old Trinitron around i'd rather use it instead of my current main monitor lol
This was a delight to watch and listen to, both to learn more about these monitors, and also just to hear you so head-over-heels with them. I hope they sold for a good amount!
Acksually: CRT TVs are still "being made" despite all the factories being shut down for years, but not for consumer use! I remember there was this short doc about CRTs when they were just recently getting more and more popular in the retro scene/with the retro scene getting bigger. There's still one person capable of making single CRT tubes, but he pretty much exclusively offers his services for museums and such, that want working and new CRT displays for historical value. Obviously, the dudes old, the tubes are extremely expensive since there's no capacity to mass produce them, and I'm not sure if they are "best of the best", but they should be pretty good. And I would also argue about VCRs, the best ones probably were already made decade or two ago, so any of the more recent modern ones still hanging on by a thread, probably aren't trying to be the best but just use the advanced late VCR technology as the basis. Since there's no more competition on that field, "good" will suffice.
Damn, Z. Finally showed up on my recommended again after 10 months? What the hell? The old CRTs lol. My favorite TV was the Sony 34" wide-screen crt. Back in 2002 or 03? 2000 chickens that baby costed. 234 pounds it weighed! Lost it to flooding from a tropical storm back in 2009. I miss it and I don't lol.
Jesus Z - get out of my head. You keep putting my opinions into words for me, and it's creepy. I used to have something just like this - not quite this model (because I couldn't afford it), but a wide flat-screen big tube very similar. I miss it - life took it from me years ago. I promise you that you just found a good home for one of these - I need one. I miss CRT's for the same reasons you listed, and want to get one again now that I have somewhere to use it (just bought my house). So here's the deal - I want #2. I can also fix the wiring issue, but I'll be using the bnc's anyway, so that's a non issue. And as a bonus, if you'd like I can bring my new to me pair of vintage Klipsch La Scala's with so you can demo them if you'd like. The only question is timing- I'll have to schedule it since I'm busy with work, so I'll need so lead time. I'll hit you up in your telegram too - but I'm completely serious- you have found someone as excited and serious about these "old monitors" as you obviously are. I need one, and I'd rather have one of yours than try to find another one online with no history available. Let me know. **edited for spelling**
I don't even think that will satisfy him. He said he likes the smooth milky look it has. MicroLED and OLED having defined sub pixels means it can never look like that. You'll only get this look when we have ultra dense 8K displays at say 40 inches and below. That's where you may get back to that pure smooth image look.
@@chrisk3127 I can... I see it fairly easily at 4K on my 27 inch monitor from about 3ft back. Been using that QLED monitor for about 4 years now. Though to be fair, I do have 20:10 vision and that's incredibly rare.
High end crt? Even low end crt monitor looks waaaaay better than high end modern TVs. No lag and true blacks. If you display a black picture it looks as if is turned off, the color on that electrically Excited phosphorus looks better than any kind Liquid cristal pixel.
At this point I’ve accepted that I will never own an FW900. I am pretty happy with my Sun GDM 5410 and it has almost all the same specs as the fw900 but in 4:3. I would only trade it for a Mitsubishi diamondtron with a 140khz scan
Got one a week ago. Driving it at fullHD at 95Hz with Vention USB-C to DSub with RTX3080 without any issues. So no need for true analog imo. Would love to open it up to clean it some but the casing won't budge unfortunately. Any tips?
Yeah i understand what do you mean with colors and visuals. I still have old NEC AccuSync 20WGX2 PRO monitor, its 18 years old, and i dont understand how monitor this old can be so good. I honestly never saw better monitor/TV in my life. Maybe its specs are bad on paper, but in person its colors are beautiful and vibrant, SDR brightness is very high, contrast is amazing because of glossy coating, and everything on it looks just correct! All plants and forests are looking very natural and the sky color.. looks soo real. As you said - the image doesnt look artificial. Playing games on it feels like im really in that game. CCFL backlight (yes its not LED) makes whole image warm and cozy. New "LED" monitors with matte coatings just look BAD, dull and artificial. Even my new 240Hz LED LCD looks worse than this old NEC.
i can tell you from personal experience with CRT's .... modern games look great on them, but where CRT truly shines in modern games is HORROR and high skill ceilling multiplayers, if not horror, then games that rely on atmosphere. Bioshock 1 and all of the Metro saga, 2033, Last Light and Exodus , and specially above all...Resident Evil 7 .....ufff man i dont think those games will ever come close to look even half as good on an LCD as they did on my mid end Samsung 997MB crt , OLED could probably match it though, but not your average tn or ips panel. Resident Evil 7 has a bunch of graphical filters that add to the grim and dark atmosphere, and it also has a bunch of artistic style that kinda tries to make the game look like a VHS tape, so that game looks absolutely INSANE on CRT, i don't know what else to say, you gotta try it if you can one day.
My dad had a small screen at his betting place (a place where people go and place bets on sports and others) and it was playing football and I instantly was, "what the hell is this ?". I never seen green or yellow like that. Not even on my friend's C6 or on my Q7FN qled. And the smooth motion oh my god. I also had a CRT which had great color compared to nowadays midrange LCDs, but that thing was something I never seen before.
I still have THE ultimate video card for those, modded 780TI. No analog conversion necessary, straight up plug-and-enjoy, but by the time I realized the joy of CRTs(~2020) - those GDM-FW900 were already impossible to come by. Found a somewhat worse, but still a higher-end crt. DAMN those things are amazing. No native resolution means even lowres looks crisp, and those that can drive over 1080p are
I had one of these in probably 2007-2008 when I bought my first gaming PC at a pawn shop. I had no idea it was special and threw it in the dumpster and replaced it with some shitty 19" LCD monitor.
You should really see an OLED in a dark room. I bought the cheapest LG A1 TV several weeks ago and it has the BEST picture I have EVER seen, and I've seen almost every CRT in my time. The more expensive models are even better. Then there's QD-OLED - even brighter and with even more color volume. The new Alienware QD-OLED monitor promises to be rather affordable too at $1300, compared to $3000+ for previous offerings. IMO if you buy the Alienware, you will have your new endgame for now (until directly stimulated quantum dot displays make it to market :)
@@Cinnabuns2009 Um, not sure what you mean. The monitor in question is 34" and it's an ultrawide... It has quite a curve but IMO that is fitting for an ultrawide.
When i was in high school i saved up money to get this 19" crt monitor and the thing was amazing looking and when i got a lcd i put it in my closet to store. years down the road my parents ask me if they can throw away my old monitor and i argued i wanted to save it but they trhrew it out anyways and I wish i still had it now just had no where to put it at that time.
Awesome finds, I nearly had one for cheap on craigslist a couple years ago but somebody got there before me. Now I've got a Sony CPD-G520 which is super nice, got it brand new for $500 so more than I would like to pay for old tech but it's just so good. Startech DP2VGAHD20 is the DisplayPort to VGA adapter I use, it has a high bandwidth but not enough to quite saturate my monitor. I think it can go up to 360 MHz ish.
I didn't realize you were in PA. I'm in bucks county you close? I'm guessing Delco or Chester for some reason. Not interested in the crt but will check out the yard sales for audio gear!
19:23 that sounds like the 32'' LCD ( non-LED ) TV my family had 'bout a decade ago image was so Clear Nice and HARMLESS that made my mom's brother move from CRT's
Looking at a CRT on my LCD monitor is like listening to a sound demo of La Scalas on my RP600ms, lol. Great vid - CRTs definitely had advantages, unfortunately size wound up outweighing all of them.
@@ZReviews My roomates still can't believe its 1080p, half the time they think we are watching shit in 4k ahah. Great Tv from the times where companies listened to engineers and not businessmen.
I wish I could give this auction a shot. I live in ND, so driving to the east coast to pick up a CRT is a bit unreasonable. I almost won an auction on Ebay for an Apple Studio display (that would have been a major PITA to get working with a modern pc) and I still kick myself for not pushing harder. Some day,.. some day I'll have a nice CRT. I did hook an old Gateway CRT to my PC for a bit. I played Cyberpunk a bit, and you know what's awesome? You can take any modern game you want and if it's tough to run on your fancy 4k monitor, use a CRT instead. Not only is it just straight up a better picture than any LCD, since you're only running maybe FHD at best, you can crank all the settings, all the eye candy, all the ray tracing, whatever you want. And you'll still all the frames you need and it will look awesome. I got my 48" OLED now, and it's amazing, especially when I've got something going that really makes use of the HDR, but there's still something magical about CRT that we lost.
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GDM-W900 were AWESOME.
We owned two of them.
It was only CRT I ever seen that was totally artifact free OVER WHOLE AREA.
You could run it 1920x1200 and every SINGLE PIXEL would be FRIGGIN IDEAL.
No defocus, not color bloom, no distortions, nothing ever.
Are these still available?
FW900 has been my holy grail for a loooooooong time.
owner of one here HP version. video of it on my page if you want to see it.
@@leomendez3195 Can I calibrate it for you using windas and a colorimeter
lol I just read you commenting this in a Linus video, that showed a clip of this monitor. Your comment led me down a rabbit hole on this monitor. I end up on this video, and here you are again, longing for this monitor :p
There is one on eBay right now. He's local to me and through communication I found out he actually had 4. So I bought one today for a very reasonable price. He might be up to sell 1 more. His ebay handle is cross eyed zombie hunter. I think there are still 2 day's left for the one on auction.
Thanks Z. Long time viewer. I left the audio scene a while ago, and had a few hobbies here and there. I ended up discovering how amazing CRT monitors truly are. I have two Dell P1110 monitors which I have officially proclaimed my endgame monitors. Funny how the world bring us together again. I would love one of these and have family located in Pennsylvania. But, I don’t think I’ll be winning any yard sale bids. Thank you for years of enjoyment.
It's good to see someone appreciate image quality over thin bezels or how thin screens are.
So When Crysis came out I built a computer and bought a nice lcd and thought I was king. I had a xbox 360 and played it on a crt hd tv looked awesome. I then bought a lcd tv and it looked horrible. Which made me think what's going on. I did my research and that changed my life forever. I am now a FW 900 owner for life. I own 5 of them and even now OLED dont compare when gaming you get lag and motion blur. The picture in stills is close but I still prefer the FW900.
How would you get five GDM FW900 I have an lacie electron blue iv and Vision Master pro 454.
Also owned an HP P1230 and HP P1130 they were great as well but I might die without an GDM FW 900
I have the 4:3 version of this, the Sony fw420 and I love it so much so happy to see your enthusiasm for these old displays!
not the 520?
@@ZReviews no it's basically the same monitor exact same shell and everything, I think it came out a little earlier and they did a slight refresh
@@Daniel_Schadel
Sony CPD-G420, 19 inch 4:3??
@@aleksandarbojovic yes! Sorry I messed up on the name a bit
@@Daniel_Schadel I have that one too. It’s not the 4:3 version of the fw900.
Omg I got my Sony GDM-FW900 back in 2015 and was absolutely blown away by it. I spent the time to calibrate it as well as I could. Back in the CRT days I had smaller lower end CRTs, and almost completely forgot how great those could look. Since then I started a small collection with a few LaCie Electron Blue IV 22", Iiyama Vision Master 514 among others. Last week after looking for years I finally got my hands on a couple Sony GDM-F520 and once again I got blown away. Absolute masterpieces!
Damn I have an Pro 514 with u3 tube electronics fine but all the guns worn out sadly bought it like this and did not see the issue at first.
Do you have a spare 514 with other issues than the tube
@@ManOfAttitudeLP1998 No, I only have a single 514.
@@Slay3rOne Ah shit
You can use software called LookingGlass that copies the frame buffer of one graphics card and send it to another GPU for output. Could take a 3090/6900XT for acceleration and output video passthrough with a DVI-I dual link capable card.
You don't say............
Thats a good idea, though i wonder how spotty the software compatibility would be as multi-gpu support is basically extinct these days. It might also get flagged by some online games anti-cheat. I'm also curious about how much of a latency hit you'll take.
Right now the best i can hope for is that GPU vendors go back to making more diverse custom PCB's, and finding one with a DVI-I port (probably an import from Asia market), but i'm not holding my breath on that considering the state of the world right now with regards to computer hardware manufacturing :(
Holy shit I want one of these so bad. They are incredibly rare in my country, haven't seen one for sale anywhere in like 3 years now. I found a single one in kinda bad condition for like 3000 bucks and I'd have to drive like 700 miles to pick it up. One day I'll get one, these are so fucking amazing.
There were CRT's that came with a Degauss built in but it looks like all of those could use a good degaussing, especially the one that's to green. Basically you need a large fairly powerful magnet and you start at the center of the screen you want to degauss after the monitor has fully warmed up. Then slowly work your way to the outer edges in an ever larger circular motion. You do this working from the center and start making small circles getting larger until you no longer see the magnet having any effect on the screen. If your magnet is the right power you will end up making circles about 3ft in diameter from the screen yet on the same plain. Hope I've explained this correctly as it was part of the normal maintenance of CRT's and depending on placement of the monitor could be something you need to do monthly. I used to be director of management for Nickelodeon Arcades back in the late 90's early 00's which meant I had to deal with a ton of CRT's as every video arcade machine had one in it. Being so close to each other meant that they had to be degaussed biweekly to monthly due to the machines they were next to also having CRT's which throw off one heck of a field. Hope that helps anyone who bids on these because you'd be surprised just how much that simple maintenance procedure can correct the colors and overall alignment of the gun/guns in these old monitors...
I think that is what the Image Restoration pass does. I demo it in the video. But I will consider that.
とても良いビデオですね
very nice!
Glad to see you here.
Damnit dude... I was trying to psych myself up to sell my PVMs and BVMs and now you're making me want to keep them!
You are 100% correct. There is nothing like a good CRT display when it comes to colors, contrast and smoothness of motion. I bought a Sony A1E OLED back when it first release and it's still a damn good OLED TV even compared to today's beasts, but I hooked it up to an HDMI splitter, pushed an old flat panel, 32 inch, 200lb monster of a CRT underneath it, and played Horizon Zero Dawn on both at the same time. The OLED didn't even come close. Colors were fantastic on both, but the CRT's lack of motion blur when panning 100% clinched it for me. I gave the OLED TV to my parents and have used the CRT ever since. When the consoles stop supporting 1080i or 720p I suppose I'll have to make the switch again.
You can connect vga monitor to modern pc with display port to vga converter, a lot of them can work on non standard refresh rates too.
Also unlike tvs, crt pc monitors are designed to trow beta radiation on the sides and top of the display and not on the front or bottom.
See this is what I mean! Appreciation of these beautiful displays and willingness to give onto others, Not someone who clearly knows the value of these monitors and only wants profit but someone who knows they won't last forever and wants to give it another home. You sir have my respect! and just got yourself another subscriber.
There is nothing better than a good CRT,, Tops everything... I secretly hope a company brings the tech back, its impossible to think of the future without CRTs
😂lol, bro if the majority of the world was interested in crts still, they would be the majority of displays.
@@berryblade1305Most of the people don't know better. They choose LCD because it looks flashy in a bright room. Because of those people we lost plasma.
@@berryblade1305 Nice try dооfus,the real answer is always profit. Flat screens are just cheaper to build and ship.
I pray someday they make a modern version of this but with blue laser raster scan and Quantum dot aperture grille. That would be hands down the best monitor ever made.
As a CRT collector I hope so as well. But it's never going to happen. The production process of these things is super complicated, and was only profitable back when we had massive factories serving many millions of units every year. Those factories, and their personnel are long gone. With the current low levels of demand for these things, it will never get to an affordable level anymore.
"I love this CRT" he says as he tortures it with a static image
You let me admire it how I want.
TYPING FIRST SENTENCE IN ALL CAPS TO BE AS SPAMMY AS POSSIBLE. Z, the adapter you want is the Startech DP2VGAHD20. That one works at 1900x1200@85Hz without any glitches. All credit to the folks on the HardForum thread for finding that. I use it on my gaming PC with the VGA to BNC breakout cable and it looks amazing!
Also you may want to keep one of those bad boys in case the flyback or something goes out. My fingers are crossed that mine lasts the rest of the LCD dark age! QD-OLED sounds promising but I don't know if it will beat CRT motion resolution.
Cheers and thanks for helping make sure the world doesn't forget about these!
I had a Viewsonic 19" flat panel CRT monitor in 4:3, and I loved that thing. Brought it to college and beyond. My nephew, who got into retro gaming, wanted it a few years ago, so I gave it to him. I'm glad he's enjoying it even to this day. But damn... I miss that thing. I know these Sony models are legendary, and ugh I will have a CRT again.
I have a 32 inch 4:3 crt monitor that does 1024x768 flat tube and it looks glorious but I really want a xbr960.
@@robertfarquhar2780 I have one that unfortunately I have to get rid of. If you are anywhere close to las Vegas and want it, you can have it.
I live in Texas but otherwise I would get it.
I owned a flat Trinaton for years, mind you it was only a Dell, but I have fond memories of it. I only "upgraded" away from it because of it's enormous size and weight, It was literally warping and breaking my desk.
For big screen best in class displays that outperform anything except CRTs for motion, check out the Panasonic ZT60 plasma screens. They have much less permanent burn in risk than OLED, top-tier color reproduction, longer panel life and more brightness than the Pioneer elite (which in their final days were, interestingly, made by Panasonic). It's the closest thing you can get to a big screen CRT.
And it can indeed be called the best of the plasma screens, since none are now made.
They also have a 96 Hz mode, which is a sort of fast-pixel-flicker multiplier applied to give the perfect adaptation of 24 Hz film signals.
input lag not good for gaming
I had one for many years. Blew my savings to pay full price for the lovely beast when it came out. Even paid to have it repaired, at one point. It died when two moving guys dropped it. I cried. Their bodies have not been found.
/just kidding
/maybe
Anyone who wants this, you need a strong table/desk. It is no joke heavy. But, it is beautiful!
If you have at least a mid end CRT thats working properly, and you got a decent cpu, and you got a maxwell gpu and run your display with the classic dvi-i to vga adapter....i strongly recommend you play Resident Evil 7 on high settings, at 1280x800 , stretched, and turn all of the post-fx ON , tune the brightness properly, use REC709 color space.
Nothing besides OLED comes close to that experience...i can personally confirm.
Zeos gets it.
Very fond memories of that era ... had a 19" iiyama or maybe a 21", can't remember exactly.
Only now with a 43" C1 OLED am I getting some of that visual satisfaction back.
Oled's 10bit color output is far from crt's 24bit color output.
I have a 34 inch crt 4:3 tandberg rebadged monivision that does 1024X768, will also do 16:9 resolutions up to 1366x768 and 1080i and it will also do 1920x1440i, it's surprisingly sharp. I love playing emulators on it, melee looks glorious and the colors just pop I love the way it glows and this is why I love plasma displays because they get the closest to crt and I've actually compared the crt to my plasma and colors and black levels are near identical, plasmas tend to glow like crts so I love em.
I have a viewsonic E70 and it is my daily driver. My ultimate endgame monitor. I'm glad to see others appreciate CRT's as well.
I have a diamondtron superbright that I use for retro games and everytime I go back to my lcd I am dissapointed
Keep them. CRTs are consumable and the tube will wear out with use over the years. Have it go into sleep when you are not using it.
Have an FW900 and C520k and love both of them. Colors, brightness, and sharpness are better on the C520 but the extra real estate is great to have on the FW900. Makes me sad that we could have had Adobe RGB widescreen CRT's if LCD's didn't phase them out when they did. I think Unkle Vito has a prototype 24" Artisan but haven't seen any pics of it.
There are converters which work really well with modern GPU's. I'm using a Vention CGMHA usb C to VGA adapter for my FW900 with BNC cables and can perfectly run 1920 x 1200 @ 85hz and even higher. The Delock 62967 DP to VGA adapter is also really good and use it on the C520k. Modern games can be played at lower resolutions with all the eye candy turned up with DLSS & DLDSR (for Nvidia cards) which look and play amazing.
I may have to look into the Vention CGMHA
i wish i could get FW900, just that no one's selling locally here anymore (pretty sure everyone kept theirs). im only using cheapo ACER AC713 at 1920x1200@60Hz (black bars) but its a beauty for colour, blackness and motion. used for photoediting, game and for movie. i ran at 720p@90Hz for gaming. wished interlaced worked on 2018 and above graphic cards so i could use 1920x1200i at 100Hz, really missed it (with DP to VGA adapter). to get pure blackness though i adjusted gamma to be like 1.9 or so
even compared to my friend's 240Hz gaming monitor, the crt was unbeatable even for pure game for 1200i 100Hz, let alone 720i at 160Hz.
only oled for computer monitor could replace crt i would say. but getting decent sized oled monitor for good price is not a thing for now
I completely feel you. Previously i thought my NEC / Mitsubishi Diamondtron FE2111SB was too dim but actually the white balance changes all electron gun settings and the only seeing that's good is sRGB with a max brightness of 10 set by sRGB too.
Crts are such a great window to the content. It feels like you could touch it and then suddenly you come back to the realisation when you touched the tube.
I would rather sell everything first before i lose my Sony OEV 143 and FE2111. The speed in any content is awesome. OLED can not get the fluidity. It's like the colour gets cut off due to the speed without what crts do best where the light decays smoothly
The reason I cherish my plasma TV is because it's picture is similar to a CRT's.
Yeah also organic
Those SGI monitors were the defacto for visual effects & animation work in the late to early 2000s.
Zeos is so lucky to have gotten one of this $105, because they go for outrageous money now days.
I have 2 of these in the garage. Need to calibrate them however for which there must be some software ?
Isn't the 16:9 Sony the GOAT? Does this have better color and resolution. Another one I'm talking about was good because it was flat screen and 16 x 9. I forget the size. But that doesn't necessarily mean it was the best picture.
I have one of these. The FedEx drivers were praying (I could hear them through the door) that I was home when they delivered it because it was so damn heavy and cumbersome--it came in a wooden crate filled with industrial foam.
Alas, the displayed died eight years ago and is now siting under a blanket on the floor in the corner of my computer room.
This is (and will be?) the best professional photo/video editing display ever crafted. A little piece of my soul died when I lost it. Still...its obscene weight/size is prohibitive as anything practical for 2022.
Seriously contact Uncle Vito on the hard forums he might be able to fix whatever died. Because its always something small but shipping is teh nightmare.
I truly appreciate the suggestion for a fix; but, I think I've moved beyond the quality advantages and into the land of "I never want to (try and) move that ever again." I'm seriously considering donating this behemoth to the next occupants of my home as an art deco tech relic. Best wishes, Chad
I love when LGR gets confused and ends up in my Z reviews
oh man, i used to have a Sony Trinitron CRT and used it for sooo many darn years.
i replaced it with a LCD in 2013 because when i first got prescription glasses i was effin shocked at how blurred the image it was producing was...
in a sense, the reason i got prescription glasses was most likely BECAUSE i used it so much i probably got used to that blurry image.
i feel sorry for doing that now that i know it probably was just a bad DVI-I cable...
it was probably the best pc monitor i ever had, 1920x1200 85hz and 22"... i replaced it with a 1920x1080 60hz 24" display and while the image was a lot clearer, the Trinitron has a MUCH more realistic image and the colors it produced were AMAZING compared to the LCD i bought, and that was a pretty "high end professional graphics design LCD"...
man i miss the old days when things just worked perfectly...
right now i'm using an AW3420DW monitor, and to be honest if i still had my good old Trinitron around i'd rather use it instead of my current main monitor lol
There was that time, when I calibrated my crt monitor with a colorimeter, these looks awesome
Sony professional reference monitors today cost as much as $30k, for a 30 inch screen.
The model I'm referring to is BVM-HX310
Also there are still a few crts being made by hand in the us but there for art installations
may i ask what do you do to own such a nice house and (previously) three FW900s?
This was a delight to watch and listen to, both to learn more about these monitors, and also just to hear you so head-over-heels with them. I hope they sold for a good amount!
A mad scientist invention that's what CRT is!
Acksually: CRT TVs are still "being made" despite all the factories being shut down for years, but not for consumer use! I remember there was this short doc about CRTs when they were just recently getting more and more popular in the retro scene/with the retro scene getting bigger. There's still one person capable of making single CRT tubes, but he pretty much exclusively offers his services for museums and such, that want working and new CRT displays for historical value.
Obviously, the dudes old, the tubes are extremely expensive since there's no capacity to mass produce them, and I'm not sure if they are "best of the best", but they should be pretty good.
And I would also argue about VCRs, the best ones probably were already made decade or two ago, so any of the more recent modern ones still hanging on by a thread, probably aren't trying to be the best but just use the advanced late VCR technology as the basis. Since there's no more competition on that field, "good" will suffice.
I am still looking for a good CRT but they are insanly expensive these days.
Damn, Z. Finally showed up on my recommended again after 10 months? What the hell? The old CRTs lol. My favorite TV was the Sony 34" wide-screen crt. Back in 2002 or 03? 2000 chickens that baby costed. 234 pounds it weighed! Lost it to flooding from a tropical storm back in 2009. I miss it and I don't lol.
Jesus Z - get out of my head. You keep putting my opinions into words for me, and it's creepy.
I used to have something just like this - not quite this model (because I couldn't afford it), but a wide flat-screen big tube very similar. I miss it - life took it from me years ago. I promise you that you just found a good home for one of these - I need one. I miss CRT's for the same reasons you listed, and want to get one again now that I have somewhere to use it (just bought my house).
So here's the deal - I want #2. I can also fix the wiring issue, but I'll be using the bnc's anyway, so that's a non issue. And as a bonus, if you'd like I can bring my new to me pair of vintage Klipsch La Scala's with so you can demo them if you'd like. The only question is timing- I'll have to schedule it since I'm busy with work, so I'll need so lead time. I'll hit you up in your telegram too - but I'm completely serious- you have found someone as excited and serious about these "old monitors" as you obviously are. I need one, and I'd rather have one of yours than try to find another one online with no history available. Let me know.
**edited for spelling**
Do you still have any of them left?
Nice to see high end Sony crt love. Proud xbr960 owner here.
VGA is RGBHV, it's just a different connector. VGA has some additional wires, but the video signal being passed is the same.
I mean, tbh picking up at Zeos sounds like it would be worth more, how much extra to include some listening time on headphones?
Owner of LaCie Blue Electron IV 19"! I hope one day to get an FW900!
I had one of those, but in the Viewsonic version. best monitor i ever had for 3D animation and compositing work.
thanks for the 4:3 upload. looked great on my own crt.
if you hate compression give us a way to download the original videos via torrent or file sharing
As a TH-camr that's a security risk as people can reupload the original content.
@@ZReviews that woold happen?
Z will likely be waiting for micro LED before he's satisfied with anything else
I don't even think that will satisfy him. He said he likes the smooth milky look it has. MicroLED and OLED having defined sub pixels means it can never look like that. You'll only get this look when we have ultra dense 8K displays at say 40 inches and below. That's where you may get back to that pure smooth image look.
Impossible cuz CRT outputs 24bit color, microled like oled and lcd only do 10bit color output.
@@Skylancer727 well you shouldn't be able to see individual pixels on 4k below 40 inches 8k would probably be good up to 60 inches
@@chrisk3127 I can... I see it fairly easily at 4K on my 27 inch monitor from about 3ft back. Been using that QLED monitor for about 4 years now. Though to be fair, I do have 20:10 vision and that's incredibly rare.
High end crt? Even low end crt monitor looks waaaaay better than high end modern TVs. No lag and true blacks. If you display a black picture it looks as if is turned off, the color on that electrically Excited phosphorus looks better than any kind Liquid cristal pixel.
At this point I’ve accepted that I will never own an FW900. I am pretty happy with my Sun GDM 5410 and it has almost all the same specs as the fw900 but in 4:3. I would only trade it for a Mitsubishi diamondtron with a 140khz scan
aspect ratio really ties this review together
The colors come through very well watching on a calibrated LG C1, I'd say a calibrated OLED is next best thing.
These crt monitors output 24bit color, lcd and oled monitors output 10bit color, so it's not even close.
@@Ab-ru1ew Its not about bits per se, more about coverage of the gamut
I used to have an fw900 for 9 years. Bought it used of course.
The weight and power consumption was madness. But oh boy the picture quality was good.
Hey Zeos! What Aeron headrest are you using at 12:03?
So Linus Tech Tips just whipped out one of these AND a Dreamcast... Coincidence?
This is the best thumbnail you have made
Probably because I didn't make it. I gave the task to my patrons chat
Got one a week ago. Driving it at fullHD at 95Hz with Vention USB-C to DSub with RTX3080 without any issues. So no need for true analog imo. Would love to open it up to clean it some but the casing won't budge unfortunately. Any tips?
HOLY SH*T. GDM FW900 CRT with a 3080?
That is the most PC Master Race build ever.
I had a monster Sony CRT in the early 2000's for gaming. the weight actually bowed a cheap desk. Good memories.
I left out the part in the early 2010s when I took this to a LAN party
@@ZReviews Haha! I almost did the same. Only reason I didn't was I didn't like the games they were playing. Was hooked on BF42 AND BF Vietnam.
Where did you get these?
Yeah i understand what do you mean with colors and visuals.
I still have old NEC AccuSync 20WGX2 PRO monitor, its 18 years old, and i dont understand how monitor this old can be so good. I honestly never saw better monitor/TV in my life. Maybe its specs are bad on paper, but in person its colors are beautiful and vibrant, SDR brightness is very high, contrast is amazing because of glossy coating, and everything on it looks just correct! All plants and forests are looking very natural and the sky color.. looks soo real. As you said - the image doesnt look artificial. Playing games on it feels like im really in that game. CCFL backlight (yes its not LED) makes whole image warm and cozy. New "LED" monitors with matte coatings just look BAD, dull and artificial. Even my new 240Hz LED LCD looks worse than this old NEC.
did the other two monitors already sell? :(
Just curious, did these have their anti glare film on? Looks like there’s some reflections going on. Just hard to tell sometimes.
Thor Ragnorok on this would be crazyyyy. With some wharfedale Linton with a tube amp 🥶
i can tell you from personal experience with CRT's .... modern games look great on them, but where CRT truly shines in modern games is HORROR and high skill ceilling multiplayers, if not horror, then games that rely on atmosphere.
Bioshock 1 and all of the Metro saga, 2033, Last Light and Exodus , and specially above all...Resident Evil 7 .....ufff man i dont think those games will ever come close to look even half as good on an LCD as they did on my mid end Samsung 997MB crt , OLED could probably match it though, but not your average tn or ips panel.
Resident Evil 7 has a bunch of graphical filters that add to the grim and dark atmosphere, and it also has a bunch of artistic style that kinda tries to make the game look like a VHS tape, so that game looks absolutely INSANE on CRT, i don't know what else to say, you gotta try it if you can one day.
My dad had a small screen at his betting place (a place where people go and place bets on sports and others) and it was playing football and I instantly was, "what the hell is this ?". I never seen green or yellow like that. Not even on my friend's C6 or on my Q7FN qled. And the smooth motion oh my god. I also had a CRT which had great color compared to nowadays midrange LCDs, but that thing was something I never seen before.
I still have THE ultimate video card for those, modded 780TI. No analog conversion necessary, straight up plug-and-enjoy, but by the time I realized the joy of CRTs(~2020) - those GDM-FW900 were already impossible to come by. Found a somewhat worse, but still a higher-end crt. DAMN those things are amazing. No native resolution means even lowres looks crisp, and those that can drive over 1080p are
You can get 980TI's with analogue output.
I had one of these in probably 2007-2008 when I bought my first gaming PC at a pawn shop. I had no idea it was special and threw it in the dumpster and replaced it with some shitty 19" LCD monitor.
Digital Foundry have an amazing video on CRT's and John purchased a Sony FW900, they are top tier for CRTs, amazing screens.
you can put a lamp or any light source behind the TV/monitor
it will light the room, but not reflect on the screen 🙂
You should really see an OLED in a dark room.
I bought the cheapest LG A1 TV several weeks ago and it has the BEST picture I have EVER seen, and I've seen almost every CRT in my time.
The more expensive models are even better.
Then there's QD-OLED - even brighter and with even more color volume.
The new Alienware QD-OLED monitor promises to be rather affordable too at $1300, compared to $3000+ for previous offerings.
IMO if you buy the Alienware, you will have your new endgame for now (until directly stimulated quantum dot displays make it to market :)
I'd say $1000-1200 for a 32" would be reasonable but of course they're bringing out the paltry 27" and price gouging.
@@Cinnabuns2009 Um, not sure what you mean. The monitor in question is 34" and it's an ultrawide... It has quite a curve but IMO that is fitting for an ultrawide.
Glad to hear it. I was just started looking at crt's last night
When i was in high school i saved up money to get this 19" crt monitor and the thing was amazing looking and when i got a lcd i put it in my closet to store. years down the road my parents ask me if they can throw away my old monitor and i argued i wanted to save it but they trhrew it out anyways and I wish i still had it now just had no where to put it at that time.
32:24 Type 99A(2) PLA MBT
Awesome finds, I nearly had one for cheap on craigslist a couple years ago but somebody got there before me. Now I've got a Sony CPD-G520 which is super nice, got it brand new for $500 so more than I would like to pay for old tech but it's just so good. Startech DP2VGAHD20 is the DisplayPort to VGA adapter I use, it has a high bandwidth but not enough to quite saturate my monitor. I think it can go up to 360 MHz ish.
The aspect ratio. Quality.
It SERIOUSLY might stay this way.. Works so much better for headcam perspective.
Woooooooow I realy dream to buy this GDM-FW900 !!!!
I didn't realize you were in PA. I'm in bucks county you close? I'm guessing Delco or Chester for some reason.
Not interested in the crt but will check out the yard sales for audio gear!
19:23 that sounds like the 32'' LCD ( non-LED ) TV my family had 'bout a decade ago
image was so Clear Nice and HARMLESS that made my mom's brother move from CRT's
Glad that graphics card I gave you is doing good work.
Reply again so I can like that one too.
Rural eastern pa person here. I’ve been wanting to try one of these
My dream retro setup right there, my trinitron p990 will have to do for now
Damn you own three? I'd be lucky if I ever saw one with my own eyes. Would love to have one of these things.
Owned.. Sold 2 and the last one blew the Flyback.. So now I have 0
It's been a long time since unreal 2, what a throwback
I bought the EVERY UNREAL PACK EVER back in like 2014 and never played most of them.
Looking at a CRT on my LCD monitor is like listening to a sound demo of La Scalas on my RP600ms, lol. Great vid - CRTs definitely had advantages, unfortunately size wound up outweighing all of them.
pun
This is how I feel with my kuro 60"
The Kuro.. I never got to see one IRL
@@ZReviews My roomates still can't believe its 1080p, half the time they think we are watching shit in 4k ahah. Great Tv from the times where companies listened to engineers and not businessmen.
Christ the boys on 4chan are gonna love thisbl
I wish I could give this auction a shot. I live in ND, so driving to the east coast to pick up a CRT is a bit unreasonable. I almost won an auction on Ebay for an Apple Studio display (that would have been a major PITA to get working with a modern pc) and I still kick myself for not pushing harder. Some day,.. some day I'll have a nice CRT. I did hook an old Gateway CRT to my PC for a bit. I played Cyberpunk a bit, and you know what's awesome? You can take any modern game you want and if it's tough to run on your fancy 4k monitor, use a CRT instead. Not only is it just straight up a better picture than any LCD, since you're only running maybe FHD at best, you can crank all the settings, all the eye candy, all the ray tracing, whatever you want. And you'll still all the frames you need and it will look awesome.
I got my 48" OLED now, and it's amazing, especially when I've got something going that really makes use of the HDR, but there's still something magical about CRT that we lost.
yees! crt´s are amazing 🙂
I have 2 diamondtrons and one of them is a 2070s died it's the equivalent of that Sony wish I knew someone who could fix it
Im hella jelly for both your screens, your room and your wallpapers
Do patrons get access to this lovely wallpaper collection of anime and Emma Watson?