@@dflowhoops exactly people need to start respecting two way players. So annoyed with these “superstars “ who have to hide on defense. That’s part of the game!
The problem with most casuals today is they measure greatness with aura and highlights. Not numbers, specifically advanced and tracking stats. Traditional box scores are for casuals. This is where Tatums greatness lies. In tracking stats like most wins (whats a more important stat than wins), in intangibles (the capability to defer and not be heliocentric) and advanced stats (like being one of the league leaders in screen assists last season). If a person isnt the type to look or value those stuff and defensive metrics, they wont know how to appreciate tatum. Tatum is pretty much a modern day tim duncan. Note, before people cry that tatum isnt on Timmys level, i'm not comparing how good each are. I'm comparing how they are personality-wise, where their greatness lies and how they were disrespected. As a Spurs fan growing up, i still remember so many people calling Timmy "soft" and only won because he had good players on his team.
Interesting points about the things more hardcore fans value that I’ll keep in mind. Narrative wise there certainly are some similarities between Tatum and Duncan too. Appreciate your comment
@@dflowhoops yeah if you're the type that gets impressed only with triple doubles and getting a 40 pc mcnugget, tatum will be overrated, a scrub and "why did this guy win a chip?". Tatum will impress folks who look at +/- or net rating, PPP, potential assist, OPP FG% in iso situations and the like. Basically, stuff that front offices, basketball nerds and scouts look at. Casuals will look at triple doubles, high scoring numbers and completely ignore defense. They would be the ones who'd think OKCs signing of Caruso is overrated. Theres a reason that tatum hasnt missed the playoffs since his rookie year and has been to the ECF 5/7 years hes played. The guy simply impacts winning. A good modern day comp for tatum would be kawhi, when hes healthy.
The tracking data you mentioned before I have to look at more of as well. I'll look to bring good things for every type of fan. Yeah some narratives casuals stir up are annoying, like that Caruso one. Some things seem overhyped but are actually just worth the hype and are as they are. The amount of conference finals Tatum and Brown prove they're winning players. And Tatum has a different impact on winning than Kawhi but in terms of the success they've had, yes.
@@dflowhoops yup. Casuals look at caruso and see he scores under 10 ppg and dont understand why some people hype him. Caruso is arguably the 3rd best and at least top 5 2-way guard in the league. Hes the closest you can get to a jrue holiday in the west. A screen there, a quick pass here, a shotblock there, a clean contest here, a timely cut to open up a driving lane... just does alot of things that impact winning that dont show up in the box scores. Kawhi and Tatum arent too similar in terms of their offensive bag but in terms of their demeanor (quiet, reserved, no aura) and impact on the other end of the floor (tatum's defense is way underrated, especially his ability to guard 1-5). Kawhi imo is the better shotmaker + defender but tatum was the better passer, screen setter and rebounder. Their similarity lies in that their most prized contribution isnt actually scoring the ball.
It's amazing how Caruso's developed since being in L.A. He really is one of the games top defenders now. Jrue Holiday is in a league of his own with his clamps, so a bit of a lofty comparison but even the fact that AC is in the ballpark of Jrue says a log about his growth as a player. You're right though, the mans energy is incredible and he can light it up in an instant with his hustle. I wouldn't say Kawhi and Tatum have no aura, they are great personalities in their own way. I also wouldn't say JT's quiet. They are most similar defensively, being laterally quick for their size. That said they are a tad different on this end too because Tatum thrives by using his length where as Kawhi's strength is his best asset.
Having watched a handful of these vids in a row, you really need to make a Jrue Holiday focused one..! The sacrifices he made to have a much different role.. his lack of ego.. his calm leadership on the court.. his ability to step up exactly when needed.. Great vids though!
It's a great team coming back. The olympic snub should provide JB some motivation. The fact that Porzingus will be out for almost the first half of the seasons should make the second half interesting as teams scramble to adjust to the Celtics greater offensive and defensive dynamism. I'm also looking forward to seeing what the new draftees and their newest shooting guard can do to stretch the bench in the regular season.
Walker is one of those players who wasn't on my radar, but when they picked him up and I took a look, I was shocked he was still available. As for Tatum and the criticism, I don't think he's playing to avoid criticism. I think he's playing to win games. And he seems to be doing a good job of it.
I like Brad Steven's. But I'm going to give Danny Ainge some credit for laying the foundation for what Steven's has inheritted. Brad Steven's deserves all the credit he gets. However I think Danny Ainge is a better GM. Brad is his own man and was a good coach too. But I think Danny Ainge deserves much credit because I see that Brad was an apprentice under Danny and that has served Brad very well in bringing a championship to Boston.
Yeah Ainge taking Brown and Tatum consecutively, making Stevens head coach and having a Will to bring the franchise to new heights for many years was big. Good points
Another great analysis. Brad Stevens is by far the best GM in the league. He is the quintessential 'Baby Face Assassin'. Besides all of the great moves Danny Ainge made in his tenure as the Celtics GM, hiring Brad Stevens was one of his finest moves. Onto Banner #19. ☘☘☘☘💚💚💚💚🍀🍀🍀🍀
For the past year since the end of last year, all my logins on the Internet and I work from home I change my Internet login and password to include the Celtics and some of my variations and the year 2024! That was at the end of the season last year cause I said to myself… They are going to win it all in 2024☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️
Lonnie Walker is an inefficient, minus-minus player. Horford on his last legs this year. KP needs to stay healthy otherwise I expect an overall team regression.
The Lakers never tied the Celtics, they only started counting the former franchises rings in the early 00s when they realized they could "tie" them. Genuinely insane that people don't remember that but y'all young asf
People really clown the Celtics for "struggling" against the Pacers and not the Mavs for not being a threat whatsoever lmfao. Can't wait for the revisionist history when the Pacers are the 2nd seed over all of the internets golden boys (Knicks, Bucks, 6ers) and make another deep run
Maybe because of game 1 being seemingly out of their hands late and going to OT. But every other game of the Pacer series I felt was controlled essentially throughout by Boston so that's a myth. The Mavs series was a clean gentleman's sweep
@@MichaelThompson-ux6nnhe’s goofy HOW though?? … for years he’s been 1 of the calmest and quietest stars in the league…. Didn’t even start talking till recent years after everyone was talking about him and JB …. So seriously, Where have you ever even seen enough of Tatums personality to judge him by? That narrative has been the biggest example of “I heard someone somewhere say it so now I say it”. Sorry , not trying to come at you but that’s how I feel about that topic
Since last season I’ve been saying NOBODY is beating the Celtics 4 times in a 7 games series. I still believe that this incoming season. They’re just too talented, too stacked, and arguably better than ever before. Back2Back is not crazy to assume!
@@dflowhoopsThe crazy thing is that I don't think you beat Boston by going symmetrical. The Celtics suffered most in the playoffs playing against a high octane high pace offense... The other teams may have been too injured to really make a judgement, but the Pacers are the team that scares me most.
Walker was only given a TC deal, there's no guarantee he even makes the team. The real mystery is, how does a young and seemingly legit rotational player not get a real contract from any NBA team? It's so strange, I've never heard anything bad about his attitude, stays out of trouble. I admit I don't know much about him, there's got to be a reason I'm missing.
We have seen an unprecedented tactical basketball mind in Brad Steven’s. His is unparalleled in filling needs for this team on the floor. Just sit with that. Understanding and responding resulting in an nba title.
After passing the Lakers for the most championships in the league.. God I LOVE hearing that.☘️☘️☘️ I mean, Boston itself has more championships then LA, or Minneapolis.. but ill let you combine them 😂😉
I'll say that I had my doubts about Brad Stevens moving to the GM spot. He had no experience in that role and his struggles managing personalities as HC didn't necessarily bode well. Boy has he proven me wrong. Almost all of his moves have been very smart and well calculated. More importantly, he's really dodged the managing personalities issue by just getting guys with the right personality. It's proof that you don't have to rely on fickle or mercurial stars to win titles...you need guys that are good players and just want to play hard and win.
I have definitely noticed a keen wherewithal keep the chemistry in check at all costs. If he doesn’t feel a players fully bought in he will let them go or trade them
Joe is the perfect coach for this team. Put the target on their forehead. Make it ten times harder. And rise to meet the challenge. I love these guys. Lonnie will fit in perfect.
Mazzulla is all business and also a great guy. Crazy but his hearts in the right place which you don’t find most often now a days. He’s definitely the perfect fit for this group
@@dflowhoops For real. Rosary Joe is the real deal. He's the most winning-obsessed Celtic I've seen... I'd say since Larry, but I never got the chance.
Everybody be going on how the Celts played hurt teams in playoffs last year BUT NOBODY talking aboat boston playing without PING ZING.......WHO TATUM SAYS HES OUR MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER...NOW EVERYBODY SHUT THE HELL UP!!!
Thanks for the kind words about my Celtics, kinda hard to find that sometimes 😂. Earned a new sub
Of course! Thank you as well. Welcome aboard
Real as hell ☘️☘️ going b2b
We going back to back no drizzler
As a pistons fan shut the hell up
You a real one calling the Jays the best duo in the league! ☘️🫡
Scoring, defense and now a ring. They earned it
@@dflowhoops exactly people need to start respecting two way players. So annoyed with these “superstars “ who have to hide on defense. That’s part of the game!
You mean trio my Brutha. Don’t forget Holiday
The problem with most casuals today is they measure greatness with aura and highlights.
Not numbers, specifically advanced and tracking stats. Traditional box scores are for casuals.
This is where Tatums greatness lies. In tracking stats like most wins (whats a more important stat than wins), in intangibles (the capability to defer and not be heliocentric) and advanced stats (like being one of the league leaders in screen assists last season). If a person isnt the type to look or value those stuff and defensive metrics, they wont know how to appreciate tatum.
Tatum is pretty much a modern day tim duncan. Note, before people cry that tatum isnt on Timmys level, i'm not comparing how good each are. I'm comparing how they are personality-wise, where their greatness lies and how they were disrespected.
As a Spurs fan growing up, i still remember so many people calling Timmy "soft" and only won because he had good players on his team.
Interesting points about the things more hardcore fans value that I’ll keep in mind. Narrative wise there certainly are some similarities between Tatum and Duncan too. Appreciate your comment
@@dflowhoops yeah if you're the type that gets impressed only with triple doubles and getting a 40 pc mcnugget, tatum will be overrated, a scrub and "why did this guy win a chip?".
Tatum will impress folks who look at +/- or net rating, PPP, potential assist, OPP FG% in iso situations and the like. Basically, stuff that front offices, basketball nerds and scouts look at. Casuals will look at triple doubles, high scoring numbers and completely ignore defense. They would be the ones who'd think OKCs signing of Caruso is overrated.
Theres a reason that tatum hasnt missed the playoffs since his rookie year and has been to the ECF 5/7 years hes played. The guy simply impacts winning.
A good modern day comp for tatum would be kawhi, when hes healthy.
The tracking data you mentioned before I have to look at more of as well. I'll look to bring good things for every type of fan. Yeah some narratives casuals stir up are annoying, like that Caruso one. Some things seem overhyped but are actually just worth the hype and are as they are. The amount of conference finals Tatum and Brown prove they're winning players. And Tatum has a different impact on winning than Kawhi but in terms of the success they've had, yes.
@@dflowhoops yup. Casuals look at caruso and see he scores under 10 ppg and dont understand why some people hype him. Caruso is arguably the 3rd best and at least top 5 2-way guard in the league. Hes the closest you can get to a jrue holiday in the west. A screen there, a quick pass here, a shotblock there, a clean contest here, a timely cut to open up a driving lane... just does alot of things that impact winning that dont show up in the box scores.
Kawhi and Tatum arent too similar in terms of their offensive bag but in terms of their demeanor (quiet, reserved, no aura) and impact on the other end of the floor (tatum's defense is way underrated, especially his ability to guard 1-5). Kawhi imo is the better shotmaker + defender but tatum was the better passer, screen setter and rebounder. Their similarity lies in that their most prized contribution isnt actually scoring the ball.
It's amazing how Caruso's developed since being in L.A. He really is one of the games top defenders now. Jrue Holiday is in a league of his own with his clamps, so a bit of a lofty comparison but even the fact that AC is in the ballpark of Jrue says a log about his growth as a player. You're right though, the mans energy is incredible and he can light it up in an instant with his hustle.
I wouldn't say Kawhi and Tatum have no aura, they are great personalities in their own way. I also wouldn't say JT's quiet. They are most similar defensively, being laterally quick for their size. That said they are a tad different on this end too because Tatum thrives by using his length where as Kawhi's strength is his best asset.
I loved this season just as much the 2022 season I wish Smart and Rob could be there
And I wish DeRozan was there in 2019
Fair@@dflowhoops
it’s so hard to repeat in any major sport but I’m really looking forward to seeing how the C’s defend their title☘️
It is bro. Because winning a title takes a lot of things/everything going your way
Love seeing the growth in the amount of people watching who are subscribed! Keep it up!!! 🙏🏾
Thank you for your support Christian, you've been here for a long time and I appreciate that
keep going dflow
Thank you Thomas
Having watched a handful of these vids in a row, you really need to make a Jrue Holiday focused one..!
The sacrifices he made to have a much different role.. his lack of ego.. his calm leadership on the court.. his ability to step up exactly when needed..
Great vids though!
Jrue holiday he’s the best he a 2x champion. The best defender on the team. So smart he make big plays.
Spot on
I would like to see what the Celtics could do if they competed as a team for the FIIBA World Championships - with someone to fill in for Porzingis.
People were saying the Celtics could've won the Olympic gold medal this year. Winning FIBA without KP is an interesting proposition though
My god, somebody not shitting on the Celtics for no reason????
Not here, not now
It's a great team coming back. The olympic snub should provide JB some motivation. The fact that Porzingus will be out for almost the first half of the seasons should make the second half interesting as teams scramble to adjust to the Celtics greater offensive and defensive dynamism. I'm also looking forward to seeing what the new draftees and their newest shooting guard can do to stretch the bench in the regular season.
Thank you for this. So tired of watching people hate on my Celtics! They’re a great team and Tatum is a stud!!
I appreciate you for this as well
@@dflowhoops I’ll sub and I’ll make sure to share this video! Respect!🫡
Walker is one of those players who wasn't on my radar, but when they picked him up and I took a look, I was shocked he was still available. As for Tatum and the criticism, I don't think he's playing to avoid criticism. I think he's playing to win games. And he seems to be doing a good job of it.
He seems motivated to prove himself with this massive opportunity and he has the talent to do it. Good point about Tatum
Celtics motto this season: Never underestimate the heart of a champion.
Facts
Thank you for giving the Celtics the love. They worked so hard all season to prove all the naysayers wrong. 💚
I got you, appreciate you
@@dflowhoops back at ya ☺️
Appreciate the celtics love fam 💪☘☘more growth and success coming ur way g.
That means everything thank you 🙏
Lonnie Walker is gonna play and if he can play solid Defense he's gonna play every game and be in the rotation come playoffs
The Boston Celtics will be in the playoffs and the NBA finals and the play in tournament this season 😎👍🤩💯🎂
They will hope to avoid the play in
I like Brad Steven's. But I'm going to give Danny Ainge some credit for laying the foundation for what Steven's has inheritted. Brad Steven's deserves all the credit he gets. However I think Danny Ainge is a better GM. Brad is his own man and was a good coach too. But I think Danny Ainge deserves much credit because I see that Brad was an apprentice under Danny and that has served Brad very well in bringing a championship to Boston.
Yeah Ainge taking Brown and Tatum consecutively, making Stevens head coach and having a Will to bring the franchise to new heights for many years was big. Good points
the build, the movements reminds me of Terry Rozier but more athletic. banner 19! 🍀
That’s scary
We gonna have a quarter of the leagues championships in 5 years
Shoutout to Greg Pops for taking on Derrick and giving him a chance.
Good point
I miss baaketball 😢
we-the-same
I thought Walker was signed already
Another great analysis. Brad Stevens is by far the best GM in the league. He is the quintessential 'Baby Face Assassin'. Besides all of the great moves Danny Ainge made in his tenure as the Celtics GM, hiring Brad Stevens was one of his finest moves.
Onto Banner #19. ☘☘☘☘💚💚💚💚🍀🍀🍀🍀
Thank you and agreed
Brad stevens is my goat
Nice choice
Good video bro, just didn’t mention much of Jrue
More videos to come
Hes on an exhibit deal. Forget about cracking the rotation he needs to make the team first. Hes got till end of preseason.
He seems ready for the opportunity
@@leagueleaders bro he’s making the team lol. The dude is a problem! Just wait.. you’ll see
Sam Presti also a great executive
Yes he is S tier too, got me there
Thay didn’t surpass the Lakers.. the Lakers never was ahead
They were tied
the third Celtics 8 named Walker?
Following up Kemba and Antoine
For the past year since the end of last year, all my logins on the Internet and I work from home I change my Internet login and password to include the Celtics and some of my variations and the year 2024! That was at the end of the season last year cause I said to myself… They are going to win it all in 2024☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️
Lonnie Walker is an inefficient, minus-minus player. Horford on his last legs this year. KP needs to stay healthy otherwise I expect an overall team regression.
24%er Gang Gang!!!
Thank you for the support
@@dflowhoops thank you for the content!!
Closest thing to Steven’s is presti for sure.
Good call. Stockpiling assets is a great trait. Now he’s gone after Caruso and Hartenstein
@@dflowhoops yeah idk how bro does what he does tbh.
The Lakers never tied the Celtics, they only started counting the former franchises rings in the early 00s when they realized they could "tie" them. Genuinely insane that people don't remember that but y'all young asf
I mean it's a relocation, it still counts as the same organization as weird as it is
the “aura” argument to discredit JT on the basketball court is so odd like who watches hoops for personalities
Such a wack “argument”
@@dflowhoops for sure, Dflow how you think your raps are going to do this year where do you have them finishing?
People really clown the Celtics for "struggling" against the Pacers and not the Mavs for not being a threat whatsoever lmfao. Can't wait for the revisionist history when the Pacers are the 2nd seed over all of the internets golden boys (Knicks, Bucks, 6ers) and make another deep run
Maybe because of game 1 being seemingly out of their hands late and going to OT. But every other game of the Pacer series I felt was controlled essentially throughout by Boston so that's a myth. The Mavs series was a clean gentleman's sweep
As far as the Tatum hate goes I just had to realize…you can’t reason with idiots you just make sure you don’t become one of them!🍀
Yeah so much of the b.s that came his way post championship was uncalled for
@@dflowhoopshe is a little goofy so get that. But coming at him for his ring is crazy.
@@MichaelThompson-ux6nnhe’s goofy HOW though?? … for years he’s been 1 of the calmest and quietest stars in the league…. Didn’t even start talking till recent years after everyone was talking about him and JB …. So seriously, Where have you ever even seen enough of Tatums personality to judge him by?
That narrative has been the biggest example of “I heard someone somewhere say it so now I say it”.
Sorry , not trying to come at you but that’s how I feel about that topic
@@dragonslayerthegod9284 don’t apologize!! Tatum isn’t goofy they just can’t knock his game so they’ll say things like this!
@@MichaelThompson-ux6nn your dad is goofy for leaving your mom.
Since last season I’ve been saying NOBODY is beating the Celtics 4 times in a 7 games series. I still believe that this incoming season. They’re just too talented, too stacked, and arguably better than ever before. Back2Back is not crazy to assume!
When you have so many options, its hard to game-plan for. The Knicks did some work but Boston will still be overwhelming for opponents
@@dflowhoopsThe crazy thing is that I don't think you beat Boston by going symmetrical. The Celtics suffered most in the playoffs playing against a high octane high pace offense... The other teams may have been too injured to really make a judgement, but the Pacers are the team that scares me most.
people dont like tatum because he is a celtic, its literally that simple.
I’m a fan of
Williams Brenda Thomas Eric Lee Brenda
Let’s go Knicks!💪🏿
Walker was only given a TC deal, there's no guarantee he even makes the team. The real mystery is, how does a young and seemingly legit rotational player not get a real contract from any NBA team? It's so strange, I've never heard anything bad about his attitude, stays out of trouble. I admit I don't know much about him, there's got to be a reason I'm missing.
It is quite odd you’re correct
We have seen an unprecedented tactical basketball mind in Brad Steven’s. His is unparalleled in filling needs for this team on the floor. Just sit with that. Understanding and responding resulting in an nba title.
Prioritizing chemistry was his biggest weapon during the title season specifically. I loved the Tillman pickup
Real nba fans know 🤫
They do
#19
has a nice ring to it potentially
YEP celtics are goated
Will they repeat in your estimation?
@@dflowhoops ye
After passing the Lakers for the most championships in the league..
God I LOVE hearing that.☘️☘️☘️
I mean, Boston itself has more championships then LA, or Minneapolis.. but ill let you combine them 😂😉
Shots fired
I'll say that I had my doubts about Brad Stevens moving to the GM spot. He had no experience in that role and his struggles managing personalities as HC didn't necessarily bode well. Boy has he proven me wrong. Almost all of his moves have been very smart and well calculated. More importantly, he's really dodged the managing personalities issue by just getting guys with the right personality. It's proof that you don't have to rely on fickle or mercurial stars to win titles...you need guys that are good players and just want to play hard and win.
I have definitely noticed a keen wherewithal keep the chemistry in check at all costs. If he doesn’t feel a players fully bought in he will let them go or trade them
Brad Stevens is indeed the best GM in the league!! 💪
Incredible ride from man in charge to top executive, guess the booth always suited him
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Joe is the perfect coach for this team. Put the target on their forehead. Make it ten times harder. And rise to meet the challenge. I love these guys.
Lonnie will fit in perfect.
Mazzulla is all business and also a great guy. Crazy but his hearts in the right place which you don’t find most often now a days. He’s definitely the perfect fit for this group
@@dflowhoops For real. Rosary Joe is the real deal. He's the most winning-obsessed Celtic I've seen... I'd say since Larry, but I never got the chance.
Everybody be going on how the Celts played hurt teams in playoffs last year BUT NOBODY talking aboat boston playing without PING ZING.......WHO TATUM SAYS HES OUR MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER...NOW EVERYBODY SHUT THE HELL UP!!!
Banner 19 ☘️☘️ gents and ladies let’s focus up because there’s still doubt .. 🦾🦾🦾❤
We'll see