LVD is so good at Magic, he not only anticipates his opponents’ moves, he also anticipates what people will say in the comments section and counters accordingly
Oooh boy, the memories. It reminds me of my old combo-goblin deck ( how many years ago... 15? more? ...sigh) . I played Charbelcher in combo with Goblin recruiter. It could kill in turn 33 with the right sequence: - turn 1: land + any single-mana goblin, such as goblin lackey or some hasty gobbo - turn 2: land + goblin recruiter, lets you search your deck for any umber of goblins and put them on top of library in the preferred order. Put at least 11 of them, in an order that allows a backup plan. Make sure that the FIRST one is a Skirk prospector (sacrifice gblins for mana) - turn 3: land + prospector + that ritual that gives 1 mana for every goblin in play. Sacrificing the goblins in play for mana, you'd have at least 7 for charbelcher and activation. Since you 'd have at least 10 gobbos on top (and played only basic mountains), you'd have a 20 damage on-hit-kill. And if all of this failed, you'd still have an aggressive gobbo deck, with your lackeys, your goblin grenades, that expensive one that came with three tokens... But the fun part was using charbelcher, as most opponents didn't expect a combo-kill by a goblin deck. It was not the most competitive deck, back then, but it was fun fun fun to play. Oh gods, the memories... thank you for this walk into memory lane
love charbelcher, one of my all time favorites. and i appreciate your tasteful application of alternate card styles - the schematic style on charbelcher is awesome
@@vulkan5790 No just the card art moving while it's in hand. There are hundreds of cuts in every video to speed up the gameplay and those would become really obvious if the card art jumped around constantly.
A bold if risky move is to include a single copy of a mountain in the deck. Hitting the mountain deals potentially even more damage and if you draw it its a good land drop and the deck still works. There is a chance though that you reveal it too early in the deck to do enough damage however even with the double damage multiplier. Not super neccersarry in online games but a fun sideboard land to fetch if the opponent is on alot of life gain.
Faced this earlier, thank god i had saw the lands and made the correct call on my serras emissary for artifact. This deck is scary with how fast it can go off
2nd 20 game session with this combo, did better than last time in wins. 60% of the time I'm either locked into 2 (most times) to 3 lands by turn 5 usually the game is already over for me or 35% of the time flooded; out of 20 games I've only manage to get the Charbelcher to pop off 4 times (16 losts). Not one game did I had Crag in my opening hand. I would rarely find my 2nd Charbelcher and or Crag (after digging), as 75% of the time my 1st Charbelcher is either countered or destroyed or I'm dead on turn 3 or 4 because the other person "magically" curved out into their combo, or they have 2 thought seize and or 2 duress (they usually comes in threes by turn 4) rather common in facing off against discard decks, this time it was 8 times.
Thank you knessi ng (Filipino?) I appreciate anecdotal real life examples. These fantasy videos they post create a false narrative, since we don't see all the failed experiments that didn't work.
This deck would be so fun in cardboard (the first time). I can see it now, you tap your charbelcher and flip over your whole deck, showing your opponent the lack of mountains and asking "Does the trigger resolve?"
@@LegenVD That's true. I climbed to top 500 mythic with charbelcher this week and none of the other charbelcher decks were using companions, so just having one at all will probably surprise some opponents. It'll be interesting to see how the meta settles over the next few weeks as people adjust to all the 🔥🔥🔥
Its one of those mindgame thing people do on arena like using chandra avatar and using flame (1st battlepass premium) sleeve to trick people into thinking you're playing monored aggro when you're actually a stinking u/w control player
Pact of negation is pretty iffy in an irencrag feat deck. You can't actually use it to protect your charbelcher, only the irencrag feat itself, so its completely useless in hand if they know how to sequence their counterspell. Its still useful if you ramp into it or pass and use it on their turn in response to removal and use charbelcher with the cost trigger on the stack or whatever, but eh its not the best interaction
Not sure if there's a better card to fill that slot and there are ways to discard it if we don't need it. But I agree that it can be very awkward if the opponent knows what's up.
I don't remember all the cards in it, but I ran up against another "all spells" deck which comboed off with Bolas' Citadel. That was interesting to see, but I only ran up against it the one time.
What's missing from this entire discussion is the 2016 ruling (that could be changed, and predates MTG Arena) that makes this combo work. Basically, if you deck yourself and never hit a land, it deals that much damage and you somehow don't lose. I'd post the link, but I think it nukes my post so search for it.
Finally, a deck that can bypass arena's horrible shuffler. You can't get land screwed if you only play gas. Extra satisfying seeing people playing cards that don't exist lost fast.
Most opponents, if they don't know the key card here, will be in panic because they don't know how so much damage is possible. Maybe some will even send a bug report to WotC... that something was off here. Well, we all know better now. I know one card which is the doom of that deck in historic: the white enchantment "Nine Lives". 49 damage? No problem, you still deal only one.
It is very confusing to me, that this even works. When you have revealed all of your library why do you get to stop? I thought the condition is "until you reveal a land card". Failing to reveal ANY card seems not like the same to me. In a nice world this would make an endless game in which you reveal no card again and again for infinity.
IMO, any effect that says "Reveal the top card of deck until you reveal X card" always have inherent rule that always stop if all cards in your deck are revealed.
No, because according to the rules of the game, rule 711.4a states: "While a double-faced card is outside the game, in a zone other than the battlefield, or on the battlefield with its front face up, it has only the characteristics of its front face."
@@MrHat. ok then how do we determine which side is the fromt? It's obvious on cards that have only one casting side and transforms to another side once certain conditions are met. But with these land spell cards exactly which side is the "front"?
@@wintersoldier909 the front side, is the one with the front side icon in the top left of the card. It's a a black triangle, or a sun icon for cards that care about the day and night system.
I truly hope historic becomes to modern what explorer is to pioneer. Exclude all the digital card BS, and gimme a format that closest resembles modern on arena! Or a new format aside from Historic at least haha. That would be so dang sweet 🔥
I tried out this deck. Pretty awesome. You kept saying Pact when you only have 1 blue mana. I don't know if you just made a mistake but it's 3UU to pay for Pact. Otherwise fun deck
i use zirda cause i don't have kaheera, but i think it's like a misdirection. kaheera decks are usually control decks so if you have one as companion your opponent may muligun his hand thinking he's up against control
watching somebody queue up with historic elves just to salt rope when they get swept shows how mature the mtga playerbase really do be nowadays. how dare you interact with my zero interaction deck.
I hate this deck with a fiery passion. Primarily because it’s Izzet, but more importantly, the amount of card advantage it produces makes it difficult to tempo your opponent out of the combo. It makes hand disruption and counter spells feel like a waste. Sincerely, me..a Dimir player
I'm so sad charbelcher made it to arena to pollute Historic. Doesn't matter how good or bad this deck is, it's just TOXIC as hell. Needs to go the way of Tybalt's Trickery for the exact same reason: uninteractive non-games
Lol, I'm glad I stopped giving wizards my money. I watch this insanity every now and again and just laugh. Wizards are slaying their golden goose and they deserve the stock loss they are being battered with.
LVD is so good at Magic, he not only anticipates his opponents’ moves, he also anticipates what people will say in the comments section and counters accordingly
That’s a lot of value.
Hahaha!!!!
Truth
Perhaps the greatest goblin invention in the multiverse.
Way better than that dammed ironworks.
game one ending is surprisingly funny !!! the creativity of players never ceases to amaze me
The first game was fantastic. Fair to say they never saw it coming.
it was good to see a game like match8 where you were about to lose but you had the heart of the cards.. absolute demolition as usual 👏
Oooh boy, the memories. It reminds me of my old combo-goblin deck ( how many years ago... 15? more? ...sigh) . I played Charbelcher in combo with Goblin recruiter. It could kill in turn 33 with the right sequence:
- turn 1: land + any single-mana goblin, such as goblin lackey or some hasty gobbo
- turn 2: land + goblin recruiter, lets you search your deck for any umber of goblins and put them on top of library in the preferred order. Put at least 11 of them, in an order that allows a backup plan. Make sure that the FIRST one is a Skirk prospector (sacrifice gblins for mana)
- turn 3: land + prospector + that ritual that gives 1 mana for every goblin in play. Sacrificing the goblins in play for mana, you'd have at least 7 for charbelcher and activation. Since you 'd have at least 10 gobbos on top (and played only basic mountains), you'd have a 20 damage on-hit-kill.
And if all of this failed, you'd still have an aggressive gobbo deck, with your lackeys, your goblin grenades, that expensive one that came with three tokens... But the fun part was using charbelcher, as most opponents didn't expect a combo-kill by a goblin deck.
It was not the most competitive deck, back then, but it was fun fun fun to play.
Oh gods, the memories... thank you for this walk into memory lane
Charbelcher has been my favorite card since it was first printed. Love seeing it played
8:00 The Virgin Burn Spells deck vs the Chad Burn Artifacts deck
love charbelcher, one of my all time favorites. and i appreciate your tasteful application of alternate card styles - the schematic style on charbelcher is awesome
I rarely get them since I need to avoid the moving art in my videos, but the schematics look pretty cool!
@@LegenVD gotta love how the art implies that the charbelcher is going to be shooting out black lotuses and millstones, among other things!
@@LegenVD Moving art as in the ETB animations? Is there something concerning copyright that makes it so you can’t have them? Or is it something else?
@@vulkan5790 No just the card art moving while it's in hand. There are hundreds of cuts in every video to speed up the gameplay and those would become really obvious if the card art jumped around constantly.
@@LegenVD There are cute in the video! Wow if there really are you do a good job at hiding them as I didn’t even realize there were any.
"Ay no! A sweeper! Guess I'm not playing any more"
I have Belcher in Modern, I love it! Win HARD or Lose HARD. So much fun!
Belcher on arena is absolutely hilarious. Cheers!
Wow look at the game lengths, this deck is brutal.
I miss the time when LVD would add classical music to the game winning topdecks
I don't usually watch historic, but this deck looks like so much fun to pilot!
You're such an intelligent pilot of decks, Luca! You always know what's up haha xD
A bold if risky move is to include a single copy of a mountain in the deck. Hitting the mountain deals potentially even more damage and if you draw it its a good land drop and the deck still works. There is a chance though that you reveal it too early in the deck to do enough damage however even with the double damage multiplier. Not super neccersarry in online games but a fun sideboard land to fetch if the opponent is on alot of life gain.
ok this deck has no right to be so consitent... this is so much fun!
Love this deck Luca! I hope we get anthologies that have modern cards in them so we can have an Arena modern experience! Awesome job as usual 😊
Deck is just great, but decks heavy-based on rare and mythic make me so jealous :)
I'd wish you have some more cheap and valuable decks posted!
This is extremely amazing! Great job, keep it up!
Faced this earlier, thank god i had saw the lands and made the correct call on my serras emissary for artifact.
This deck is scary with how fast it can go off
What an interesting fake Izzet goblin historic deck! Which are words I never thought I'd say
2nd 20 game session with this combo, did better than last time in wins. 60% of the time I'm either locked into 2 (most times) to 3 lands by turn 5 usually the game is already over for me or 35% of the time flooded; out of 20 games I've only manage to get the Charbelcher to pop off 4 times (16 losts). Not one game did I had Crag in my opening hand. I would rarely find my 2nd Charbelcher and or Crag (after digging), as 75% of the time my 1st Charbelcher is either countered or destroyed or I'm dead on turn 3 or 4 because the other person "magically" curved out into their combo, or they have 2 thought seize and or 2 duress (they usually comes in threes by turn 4) rather common in facing off against discard decks, this time it was 8 times.
Thank you knessi ng (Filipino?) I appreciate anecdotal real life examples. These fantasy videos they post create a false narrative, since we don't see all the failed experiments that didn't work.
You sir are a mad genius this was just too funny
Nice touch with the alt art on Belcher. One of those cards that looks just better in alt art treatment, instead of simply different.
"Better to be lucky than good."
-Luca 😝
This deck would be so fun in cardboard (the first time). I can see it now, you tap your charbelcher and flip over your whole deck, showing your opponent the lack of mountains and asking "Does the trigger resolve?"
Shouldn’t you ask about trigger resolve before revealing?
You often surprise me, but this time I was like WOOOOOOOOWWWWW thank you for the entertainment!
Absolutely insane.
Zirda would be a better companion, as she has some synergy with the deck if you actually cast it
Zirda is possibly better, but Kaheera is more commonly played making it easier to trick your opponent.
@@LegenVD That's true. I climbed to top 500 mythic with charbelcher this week and none of the other charbelcher decks were using companions, so just having one at all will probably surprise some opponents. It'll be interesting to see how the meta settles over the next few weeks as people adjust to all the 🔥🔥🔥
Its one of those mindgame thing people do on arena like using chandra avatar and using flame (1st battlepass premium) sleeve to trick people into thinking you're playing monored aggro when you're actually a stinking u/w control player
@@LegenVD Hey what about a Historic Brawl deck with Zirda?
I just pulled a serialized charbelcher from a CBB, so this is exciting.
So good to see you back in Historic! I need more as that's the only format I play lol.
game 4 is the most exciting staring match ever
Extremely patient opponent or just stone cold nothing in hand? The answer may shock you!
This deck is hilarious I love it
I wish they would add lions eye diamonds.. and the epic storm decks.. and everything you need to play charbelcher really well lol
What an Amazing deck charbelcher
It's a feat to avoid defeat....and I think that's pretty neat xD
Not my type of deck but awesome video and thanks for the content.
That closing quote seems really ironic. "It is a feat to avoid defeat". With this deck it is rather "it is a feat to get a defeat"
Pact of negation is pretty iffy in an irencrag feat deck. You can't actually use it to protect your charbelcher, only the irencrag feat itself, so its completely useless in hand if they know how to sequence their counterspell. Its still useful if you ramp into it or pass and use it on their turn in response to removal and use charbelcher with the cost trigger on the stack or whatever, but eh its not the best interaction
Not sure if there's a better card to fill that slot and there are ways to discard it if we don't need it.
But I agree that it can be very awkward if the opponent knows what's up.
Can't believe we got our very own Oops All Spells! deck in Historic now
We had one before they banned Thassa's Oracle
I don't remember all the cards in it, but I ran up against another "all spells" deck which comboed off with Bolas' Citadel. That was interesting to see, but I only ran up against it the one time.
The little bit of disbelief in the monowhite game was great lol
What's missing from this entire discussion is the 2016 ruling (that could be changed, and predates MTG Arena) that makes this combo work. Basically, if you deck yourself and never hit a land, it deals that much damage and you somehow don't lose. I'd post the link, but I think it nukes my post so search for it.
Why would you lose after revealing your deck?
lol whats with faithless looting art man in dress troll or story?
Hi, do you mind telling me how you got that alternate Belcher art on Arena?
Pretty sure you just unlock it by buying it from the alternate art options that the card has.
Thanks I got it! Didn't realize there is an alternate art button at the upper right. Cheers!
I bet this deck really confuses the hand-smoothing algorithm! Also, stream more! :D
Finally, a deck that can bypass arena's horrible shuffler. You can't get land screwed if you only play gas. Extra satisfying seeing people playing cards that don't exist lost fast.
Most opponents, if they don't know the key card here, will be in panic because they don't know how so much damage is possible. Maybe some will even send a bug report to WotC... that something was off here. Well, we all know better now. I know one card which is the doom of that deck in historic: the white enchantment "Nine Lives". 49 damage? No problem, you still deal only one.
It is very confusing to me, that this even works.
When you have revealed all of your library why do you get to stop? I thought the condition is "until you reveal a land card". Failing to reveal ANY card seems not like the same to me.
In a nice world this would make an endless game in which you reveal no card again and again for infinity.
There's probably an official rule to make sure effects like this can still resolve if the condition isn't met.
IMO, any effect that says "Reveal the top card of deck until you reveal X card" always have inherent rule that always stop if all cards in your deck are revealed.
Never did I expect to see oops all spells in arena lol
Look, Mom! No lands!
That deck is absolutely Rediculous 🤣🤣
This is pretty creativity deck. nice one
That actually doesn't even look janky to me, seems kinda reliable if algorithm doesn't want to screw u up
10 MATCHES, HOLY GUACAMOLE
Would it be worth it to play Defense Grid in the main deck?
Could be worth trying over Pact.
Since you put the cards back in any order, in the rare case your opponent survives, do you get a whole deck scry?
From my understanding, yes? I may be wrong though.
In the words of Homer Simpson, "I canonize you"
oh no charbelcher is in arena :D
Man!! I was waiting for this!!
According to the rules of the card this combo shouldn't work like this because the double-sided lands are still land cards.
No, because according to the rules of the game, rule 711.4a states: "While a double-faced card is outside the game, in a zone other than the battlefield, or on the battlefield with its front face up, it has only the characteristics of its front face."
@@MrHat. ok then how do we determine which side is the fromt? It's obvious on cards that have only one casting side and transforms to another side once certain conditions are met. But with these land spell cards exactly which side is the "front"?
@@wintersoldier909 the front side, is the one with the front side icon in the top left of the card. It's a a black triangle, or a sun icon for cards that care about the day and night system.
I truly hope historic becomes to modern what explorer is to pioneer. Exclude all the digital card BS, and gimme a format that closest resembles modern on arena! Or a new format aside from Historic at least haha. That would be so dang sweet 🔥
I tried out this deck. Pretty awesome. You kept saying Pact when you only have 1 blue mana. I don't know if you just made a mistake but it's 3UU to pay for Pact. Otherwise fun deck
Usually the plan is to win without ever having to pay for Pact.
Are companions actually worth it, since they give your opponent information, and have basically no uses?
Why not? It's a free extra card in your hand, and that can almost never hurt
Watching LVD nuke fools with the charbelcher provides a lot of value
One punch deck!
no sideboard ?
Goddamn, that first player chose as poorly as all those people who just go to Hell in South Park
Yes, I'm sorry you chose the wrong religion as well.
The correct answer was Mormon
People wonder why this game is losing players, thank you for exhibit A.
It's not like this combo deck is unbeatable
@@MrHat. damn near is if the person draws well, it's hard to beat unless you are playing specifically to take on this deck
wait.. is that a cracked or unglued art of faithless looting?
Isn't Zirda better in this deck? It even lowers activation cost of Charbelcher
Also, don't need to use treasures to cast
i use zirda cause i don't have kaheera, but i think it's like a misdirection. kaheera decks are usually control decks so if you have one as companion your opponent may muligun his hand thinking he's up against control
Zirda is possibly better, but Kaheera is more commonly played making it easier to trick your opponent.
@@LegenVD Zirda would maybe be the right choice for BO3 since games 2 & 3 the surprise will already be spoiled.
@@LachlanEaston what is bo3 sorry just getting back into magic since 2002
no one expects the goblin charbelcher
Spanish charbelcher *
It's the epitome of rudeness to have someone belch in your face. Especially on turn 4
Look mom! No lands!
Most of the opponent faces I imagine: 🤨🤨🤨🤔
Is the deck in this form based on a new idea or is this a well known strategy ?
Charbelcher is a known combo deck in older formats, but it's very recent on Arena.
watching somebody queue up with historic elves just to salt rope when they get swept shows how mature the mtga playerbase really do be nowadays. how dare you interact with my zero interaction deck.
The original "glass cannon" build.
I'll find the exit myself, thank you
OOPS ALL SPELLS PLAYABLE IN ARENA NOW
That second match reminds me that Historic is a dumb format. I still play it, mind you.
First opponent didn't respect belchy boi
lal) great!
"summon gun"
hi
So many no landers in this video. Shuffle is fine...
😎
INB4 This card is banned.
I hate this deck with a fiery passion. Primarily because it’s Izzet, but more importantly, the amount of card advantage it produces makes it difficult to tempo your opponent out of the combo. It makes hand disruption and counter spells feel like a waste. Sincerely, me..a Dimir player
nilbog 🔺
I'm so sad charbelcher made it to arena to pollute Historic. Doesn't matter how good or bad this deck is, it's just TOXIC as hell. Needs to go the way of Tybalt's Trickery for the exact same reason: uninteractive non-games
Please unprint this card
This actually seems very strong with mana rocks like coldsteel heart and mind stone
Idk if you want mana rocks in your Creativity deck ;)
It’s really not. Cause this deck runs creativity, in which case you need to only have cannon as artefact in your deck
@Danzan Sandeev Ah fair.. whir of invention could be excellent here but he's not running much blue is he
Wonder if fire prophecy would be any good?
@@typescriptlanguage nah it would still cost more than 4 mana for creativity
lmaooooo
too many people are playing this in historic atm , kinda ruining the game :(
This deck is really annoying. Like, waaaaaay too annoying
oops all combo
i feel like Goblin Charbelcher should not work that way i mean the thos none land spells still say land on them
Broken card.
Decks like this are another reason to stay far from Historic!
bo1 is degenerate is any format
You can have broken deck like this in Modern too by example my friend had an infect deck turn 2-3 you would die lol
@@musikfranc yes, eternal formats are awful. Just Standard, draft and historic brawl for me on Arena!
Ban incoming. This is the dumbest thing I've ever played against.
Lol, I'm glad I stopped giving wizards my money. I watch this insanity every now and again and just laugh. Wizards are slaying their golden goose and they deserve the stock loss they are being battered with.
@@JohnDoe-zx1ck For sure, I still play but I stopped spending. It's hard to find any format now that is balanced. There's something always broken.